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Post by awareseattle on Oct 12, 2010 6:58:04 GMT -5
Arm & Hammer probably has trace amounts of aluminum for the following reasons: Baking soda is a byproduct of the aluminum manufacturing industry. I believe the fluoride that is put into our tap water also comes, in part, from the aluminum manufacturing industry. A byproduct of Aluminium smelting/processing is Bicarbonate of soda (baking soda). Do not use baking soda which has had aluminum added to it, such as Arm & Hammer Baking Soda. Today Arm & Hammer company produces almost all the baking soda that is used in the United States. Alcoa sells its Baking Soda byproduct to Arm & Hammer. Alcoa, Inc. (NYSE: AA) (from ALuminum Company Of America) is the world's third largest producer of aluminum, behind Rio Tinto Alcan and Rusal.[4] From its operational headquarters in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Alcoa conducts operations in 31 countries. Buy a product which specifically states it does not include aluminum or other chemicals. source - www.indiadivine.org/audarya/ayurveda-health-wellbeing/1056434-baking-soda-aluminum.html |
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Post by awareseattle on Oct 12, 2010 7:04:14 GMT -5
Also of interest with the aluminum manufacturing industry - the fluoride that our tap water is laced with, comes from the aluminum manufacturing industry. ALCOA was directly involved in the political process to fluoridate our water way back when. Here is a link for those interested: www.healthy-communications.com/fluorideproject_for_poisoning_wate.htmlThis type of fluoride which is put into the water is bad for human health in many ways. |
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Post by kammy on Oct 12, 2010 7:41:26 GMT -5
Thanks, Aware! Ok, I went to search for a water filter system secondary to the built-in house filter, in case of a water emergency - how do I filter the water? I hope it never comes to this but we don't know and it's best to at least be prepared with the knowledge so that we can boss the men around and tell them how to do it. hehe It looks like you can buy some germicide tablets and make a system for under $10. There are several youtubes out there, just pick one that you might find interesting, if you're interested in knowing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVoVv0IGhI |
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 12, 2010 8:51:49 GMT -5
show me a article on BAKING SODA that says ALUMINUM is in BAKING SODA
It is BAKING POWDER POWDER that has ALUMINUM in it
Oh look I got another STAR I am special now, does anyone want to congradulate me. I am a four star MORGY general !!!! LOL
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Post by toni on Oct 12, 2010 9:04:41 GMT -5
www.ahprofessional.com/MSDS/Click on the first one (to the right). I don't think it does contain it either Baraka. But, it is "smelted through"..which I really don't understand that process. So...as far as MSDS goes, it doesn't appear to be in baking soda. I guess someone could write to the company and ask what chemicals or regeants could be used to determine if there is or not, even trace amounts in a box of b. soda. That would be the "tell all".
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Post by jeany on Oct 12, 2010 9:31:42 GMT -5
Unfortunately, yes I think it does...aware is right.
Most commercially-available baking powders are made up of an alkaline component (typically baking soda, also known as sodium bicarbonate)
Baking powder is generally just baking soda mixed with an acid, and a number of kitchen acids may be mixed with baking soda to simulate commercial blends of baking powder.
Baking powder consists of: 1:1 Baking Soda and Tartaric acid
If baking powder contains aluminum and is made out of 50% baking soda, then the source of the aluminum in the baking powder must be the baking soda?
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Post by jeany on Oct 12, 2010 9:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by jj on Oct 12, 2010 10:21:46 GMT -5
Thanks Jeany & all MSDS sheets I checked too. Check out chapter 6 in this PDF if interested. www.bnl.gov/isd/documents/35413.pdfWe have some real resources in black & white. Like Baraka and others I would really like to know what all this information means to those who use baking soda in so many ways. Is any one in contact with a chemistry major who can explain this? Wouldn't all baking soda have trace aluminum? If so wouldn't it need to be included in the MSDS? If so what are realistic risk factors as it applies to our health. When we bath in it ............ when we use it as a mouth rinse ........... etc, I have lots of questions but no authority to go to to really be able to make an informed decision yet. Baking soda has been a staple in many homes for many years. It was a major help to me recently. I believe it contributed to my Dyshidrotic Eczema clearing up as quickly as it did. So far, I will continue to use Arm & Hammer but will keep looking. Thanks JJ |
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Post by kammy on Oct 12, 2010 12:55:09 GMT -5
Yes, JJ, baking soda has a lot of good health benefits and is very affordable, too and shouldn't be avoided because of bad reporting or whatever, just be careful to look at the ingredients. Excuse me if I flip from subject to subject here, I saw this today and thought to put it here, back on the subject of clean water: Should private companies control our most precious natural resource? www.newsweek.com/2010/10/08/the-race-to-buy-up-the-world-s-water.html# |
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 12, 2010 15:39:26 GMT -5
I know for a fact there is a kind you can buy at natural foods store or coop here in Olympia that does NOT contain trace aluminan. Of course its about three times more expensive
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Post by kmarie on Oct 12, 2010 16:32:57 GMT -5
Yes, JJ, baking soda has a lot of good health benefits and is very affordable, too and shouldn't be avoided because of bad reporting or whatever, just be careful to look at the ingredients. Excuse me if I flip from subject to subject here, I saw this today and thought to put it here, back on the subject of clean water:Should private companies control our most precious natural resource? www.newsweek.com/2010/10/08/the-race-to-buy-up-the-world-s-water.html#Kammy, Since you brought it up "WATER", I watched this documentary on water and future problems with who gets the "POWER" over it. It's called BLUE GOLD: (frightening IMO) www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGYUi3OY3lg&feature=related |
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Post by kammy on Oct 12, 2010 18:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by awareseattle on Oct 12, 2010 19:57:01 GMT -5
This is an interesting thread!
You can either buy low-cost baking soda that is a byproduct of aluminum manufacturing, such as Arm & Hammer.
Or you can buy baking soda that is (probably) made from a healthier source. Bob's Red Mill baking soda from the health food store is what I buy. I brush my teeth with it and strong salt water that I keep in a hydrogen peroxide bottle. Bob's Red Mill is labeled as aluminum free, which may be a marketing gimick; however why doesn't Arm & Hammer brag about being aluminum free when they could increase their market with that statement? Any Arm & Hammer reps in this forum? Maybe we could call them lol.
And this makes sense that low cost baking soda would come from a crappy source like aluminum manufacturing factories - I bet Arm & Hammer get a Huge profit margin from their baking soda sales!
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Post by awareseattle on Oct 12, 2010 20:03:31 GMT -5
I know for a fact there is a kind you can buy at natural foods store or coop here in Olympia that does NOT contain trace aluminan. Of course its about three times more expensive Probably true ibzahp! The whole point is that expensive health food store baking soda probably is aluminum free; and cheap low cost grocery store baking soda such as arm & hammer probably does have aluminum in it. Aluminum not being on the list of ingredients may be similar to this: All fruit juices from concentrate have fluoride in them because they are reconstituted from city tap water. However, they do not put fluoride in the list of ingredients! Fluoride is not removed by filtering water - only partially removed by reverse osmosis. Only distilling water will remove fluoride totally. |
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Post by jj on Oct 13, 2010 10:48:28 GMT -5
I know for a fact there is a kind you can buy at natural foods store or coop here in Olympia that does NOT contain trace aluminan. Of course its about three times more expensive ibzahp I hope I didn't come off as unappreciative, combative, or rude here (and Kammy, I don't mean to redirect away from water or air purifiers either). I do appreciate the aluminum warning and I'm glad I know where to turn for a healthier alternative, thank you for that. In a nutshell, when it comes to my health or in choosing to advise others, a statement of fact (for me) just doesn't hold as much weight as verification based on reliable research I can read. I ask the same of my significant other when it comes down to my health and well being and they don't like that much. Still, I respect and care for them and look up to them and am in complete awe of their knowledge ................. but this is my body and my health. I need to see it, read it, apply it and understand myself. That's just me .......... but, if it was a life and death decision, obviously I would trust a valued individuals statement of fact (such as yours) over my inability to comprehend @ that time. JJ |
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 13, 2010 11:10:30 GMT -5
Well said. When it comes to one's body , well you are the keeper of that body. I respect that.
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Post by kammy on Oct 17, 2010 6:37:40 GMT -5
I'm having to study now and my time is starting to become more limited. I was wondering about the bottled water here and found some eye-opening, very interesting facts. I haven't looked up the stats on the bottled water there... someone may want to look to see if some the same things are happening? I'm thinking I might want to switch to glass bottles instead of plastic, so I went looking for some information on it. "What’s really in our bottled water?" www.foodmatters.tv/CustomContentRetrieve.aspx?ID=195176"These findings, which show for the first time that substances leaching out of plastic food packaging materials act as functional estrogens... The authors conclude: “We must have identified just the tip of the iceberg in that plastic packaging may be a major source of xenohormone* contamination of many other edibles. Our findings provide an insight into the potential exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals due to unexpected sources of contamination." "Plastic Water Bottles May Pose Health Hazard" dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/04/28/water-bottles-health.html"Scientists in Germany have found that PET plastics -- the kind used to make water bottles, among many other common products -- may also harbor hormone-disrupting chemicals that leach into the water. But it now appears possible that some as-yet unidentified chemicals in these plastics have the potential to interfere with estrogen and other reproductive hormones, just as the infamous plasticizers BPA and phthalates do." I can't find the articles now that I drew certain conclusions from. This needs looked into further so that you can make good decisions about your water choices. My conclusions were that one study took the natural ground water from a water production plant and measured the amount of Pb (lead) in the water at 4 parts per trillion. After the water was processed and offered in the plastic bottle, this number went to 750 parts per trillion.  These estrogen hormones are MAN MADE and who knows what effect they have on reproduction and to make the populations more docile? Who knows what all they might interfere with internally? After researching a little bit and since Germany supposedly has high standards for the tap water, it might be best for me to take the tap water and filter it. That in studies, in some cases, the bottled water wasn't much better, either. I also saw where the longer the water is stored in the plastic bottles - the more chemicals leach into it and acidic juices tend to pull out more chemicals, also.  I need to look into this more closely... right now - I'm thinking it might be best to avoid plastic containers (ha ha) as much as possible or at least try to cut down on consuming products out of them when I can. We just assume the water in the plastic bottles is ok for us... what's everyone doing for your drinking water, any opinions? |
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 17, 2010 8:31:22 GMT -5
No government water is good, BIG long term filters in a very short time grow FILTH.
Small tap type filters are best, find test results on the least inexpensive tap with the best filtering results.
Also boil the water, store in glass, you may even make green sun tea as a bonus.
The filters best situation is to be changed often, if you have EVER taken a big one out you would know, slime will grow on bouth sides of filter. ITS NASTY.
Also maybe look into flavoring with somthing that will add to the clenlyness, I do not know how well lemons may work but you get the idea, look up a natural flavoring that is antiseptic, then add just before you drink it.
For those of you all up in the air about the enviroment this is where you will do the most good, the stuff your drinking is bad.
Also with all this cleaning and such you will not get the mineral you NEED so supplament.
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Post by kammy on Oct 20, 2010 6:41:25 GMT -5
Ok, results of my first water filtering test. As some of you may not know and I can't remember if I published it or not? - I tested the tap water here looking for signs of the Morgellons artifacts approximately 6 months ago, just out of curiosity. The water did not show any signs of contaminates immediately nor soon thereafter in the Petri Dish. It took approximately 6 days for the tap water to start growing what we have seen as a typical environmental 'fungus' that's found in nature, paper, our blood, our saliva, our urine, the air, the water... etc.
Of course, the people here don't appear to be as environmentally sick as they are there. I have noticed flaky skin conditions and other known symptoms with a few older people, but not the young. My take on how what's in the environment is affecting some of us and not appearingly so to others is that these factors that are now found constant in nature can be processed by the healthier body and that those of us who are sicker or more toxic - these factors affect us negatively greater.
So, to save money and possibly have a better product than I'm currently drinking - (water bottled in plastic) I decided to filter the tap water with a $20 Brita filter into a glass pitcher that's part of the system. I drank this water, which tastes sweet and delicious, btw, for 2 days straight and noticed at the end of the first day that I was thirsty after drinking. The same for the 2nd day. It seems that the more water I drink, the thirstier I get and with a 'cotton mouth' feeling. lol I don't understand it - unless I had it lab tested to see why that is appearing to be, so - I'm thinking that I'm going to try a bottled water in glass, instead? I think we should pay attention to how the water tastes, how it affects our mouths - saliva, how we feel after drinking, if you are thirsty, if we have a change in our urine, etc., when changing to a new brand of water.
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Post by kammy on Oct 20, 2010 6:55:10 GMT -5
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