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[fritolay66]

www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/morgellons-treatment/6891-methylation.html

MDR should now be accessible to those whom couldn't access it. My link to methylation is above. I also have an old thread here somewhere started approx in Sept last year on methylation here at LB.

Lynn, you had made reference about methylation being dangerous. It could very well be without the knowledge that one of the very biggest risks from bringing your methylation cycle up, is the resulting hypokalemia and its associated risks.

You can't piece meal methylation, it is a process in which builds on itself in progressive steps. Besides Yasko's site, Phoenix Rising is an immense source of information and learning. I post there the most often, when I do post.

Good health to all...

Frito

[Lynn]

Thank you Fritto

For a month now I had been trying to get to your articles. Through links sent to me and googling your name. The problem was the MDR site and thanks for getting that resolved. Now to go bone up and read. I will have to re-read quite a few times for it all to sink in.

In Light Lynn

[fritolay66]

You are welcome Lynn.

For clarification, I had nothing to do with MDR, but was contacted by Franky letting me know the site is accessible currently.

The link at MDR needs to be updated with current information in which those of us at Phoenix Rising have been able to determine new parameters for Freddd's protocol, concerning the use of Adenosyl B12 without folic acid. We have found that folic acid cannot be processed by source documented 30% and an estimated 50% by Freddd. I will update this coming week.

We only came up with these determinations in the last couple of weeks when MDR was inaccessible to most.

Frito

[fritolay66]

Link to methylation thread here at LB.

lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=14342

Link to Phoenix Rising.

forums.aboutmecfs.org/forumdisplay.php?49-Detox-Methylation\B12\Glutathione\Chelation\...

[Lynn]

Okay Fritto

Need a little bit of hand holding here. The B-12 complex I take should not have folic acid in it, because it further messes up the Methalation pathways while they are shut down? Once the corrections are made than folic acid can be taken again or do I have that backwards? Thank you for the help.

In Light Lynn

[Lynn]

Link to methylation thread here at LB.

lymebusters.proboards.com/index.c....ay&thread=14342


Hey Fritto

Me again. I just read the first link off of this link that you left. It looks like doing a metal detox is the first step before finding out if one is over or under methalting......

I find metal detoxing very scary also. Dang this dease is hard.

In Light Lynn

[fritolay66]

Okay Fritto

Need a little bit of hand holding here. The B-12 complex I take should not have folic acid in it, because it further messes up the Methalation pathways while they are shut down? Once the corrections are made than folic acid can be taken again or do I have that backwards? Thank you for the help.

In Light Lynn

Not necessarily. When trying to implement the methylation protocol with no testing, its isn't necessarily straightforward and involves quite a bit of interpretation, learning, and asking for help.

Lynn, there are people whom have urged you to pursue the testing. Without it, and in your case, I have heavy concerns as well. And I say this with the utmost caring to you. This is most definately not a cut and dry protocol. There are rules, but its the entire process of finding which rules apply to each of us. And each of us are quite different it would seem.

As far as correction and then introduction of folic acid, no thats not it either. In my particular case, and only after experiences in the last six months, have we been able to determine that folic acid is shoving me into folate deficiency. Folate and folic acid are two different animals. Methylfolate is the active form and requires fewer pathways to convert it into what the methylation cycle needs. Folic acid is synthetic, is surmissed to be processed by the liver, and is also surmissed that up to 50% of the population harbors the inability to use folic acid, or use of it in which they will actually experience a folate deficiency. This is due tp the fact that they lack enzymes or have polymorphisms in which they cannot convert folic acid to methylfolate.

Hey Fritto

Me again. I just read the first link off of this link that you left. It looks like doing a metal detox is the first step before finding out if one is over or under methalting......

I find metal detoxing very scary also. Dang this dease is hard.

In Light Lynn

If you were to pursue testing, then the heavy metals would also be addressed.

If not, then some have done heavy metal detox and some have not. I have not. I am not sure where you read this, but will you send me the link so I can explain more on this? Under methylation, or a block, and overmethylating are two very big subjects. I need the link so that I can tailor my response.

Thanks.

Frito

[frappergirl]

Did you know??
The Japanes are talking about using Chorella to counteract the Nuclear exposure to the people.
They have reports that show how it helped when they had exposure before.
They believe it will be better than the Potassium Iodide..(no kidding)

Have heard that you should use it 2 hours away from supplements because it does tend to absorb things and could reduce effectiveness.

It's great protein too and energy builder ,I so agree.

FrapperG

[Lynn]

www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm

Hi Fritto

The link above is from an older post you reposted the other day and near the very bottom it goes into how the MSM attracts the Murcury and how you can not clear the methalation pathways with this going on or something like that. I am confused.

On the testing. I would love that but can not get that done at out of pocket. I hear it cost quite a bit??? My hubbys work just changed insurance to Kaiers. I wonder if I pick a Dr. whom also believes in alternitive medicine if I could get tested for things then and what to say to get tested for those things.

In Light Lynn

[freaky]

This is a post frito did, but it was so impressive, I thought I'd let you review it again. Maybe a lot of you missed it. I had a few more to add, but, outta sight, outta mind. She really got into this one, and did an excellent job. High five to frito. Hope you don't mind.
Hugs, freaky


Sarsaparilla and why I use it.
Post by fritolay66 on 11/16/09 at 2:28am

This was in another thread here in the supplements section. I wanted to repost as I use Sarsaparilla and Cats Claw together. Not only is Sarsaparilla important in the Lyme battle, but I feel it is also important in this fungus battle. Sarsaparilla has saponins in it. Not only will these cause bursting of the fungal complexes, but some of these are steriodal plant saponins. Thyroid importantly. The bursting of fungal complexes by the action of the soap like saponin on the fungal complex. Breaks it apart.

Addtionally, saponins reduce surface cell wall tension and are important when using in combination with other herbs. Combinations used with Sarsaparilla would then be better delivered across the cell membrane.

Sarsaparilla saponins also have the ability to breakdown lipids. In this fungal mess we have going on, breakdown of the lipids would then liberate the endotoxins that have been stored in our fat cells. (Yet another reason to use fibers in which are capable of absorption). You will find many parallels to lyme toxins and fungal toxins, and how they can be liberated and trasported throughout the body. Hence it is known as a blood purifier.

Within the consituents of Sarsaparilla, you will find the sides. Such as sarsaparilloside, these are Triterpenoid saponins!! Miss Tonie, you will find your Ginseng is a triterpenoid saponin.

"Cholesterol is an example of a triterpene. Phytosterols and phytoecdysteroids are also triterpenes. The triterpenes are subdivided into some 20 groups, depending on their particular structures. Though all terpenoid compounds have bioactivity in mammals, it is the triterpenes that are most important to the adaptogenic effect found in plants such as Panax ginseng or Eleutherococcus senticosus.

Most triterpenoid compounds in adaptogenic plants are found as saponin glycosides which refers to the attachment of various sugar molecules to the triterpene unit. These sugars can be easily cleaved off in the gut by bacteria, allowing the aglycone (triterpene) to be absorbed. This allows them insert into cell membranes and modify the composition, influence membrane fluidity and potentially affect signaling by many ligands and cofactors."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triterpenoid_saponins


Sarsaparilla and Spirochetes

Sarsaparilla, known in English as Smilax glabra is a root based supplement used in spirochete infections. Specifically, it has been used in syphilis and leptospirosis infections before the advent of antibiotics. Since Syphilis, Leptospirosis, and Lyme are all spirochetes, Sarsaparilla has been used in Lyme protocols as an adjunct or natural tool to fight the infection. There are on the order of eight primary species of Smilax, but the one being referred to here is Smilax glabra.

Mechanism of Action (MOA)

An endotoxin is a substance sometimes found in the outer protein coat, and/or sometimes on the inside of the spirochete or other infectious organisms(OIO), these are released when the spirochete or OIO dies. Smilax is capable of binding endotoxins in the blood.

Its properties are found to have action as a blood cleanser, immunomodulator, antibacterial, antiparasitical, anti-inflammatory, hepatoprotective, neuroprotective, enhances bioavailability of other herbs and drugs, analgesic, antioxidant, antimutagenic, antifungal, and a fatigue fighter.

Sarsaparilla contains the plant steroids sarsasapogenin, smilagenin, sitosterol, stigmasterol, pollinastanol, and the saponins, sarsasaponin, smilasaponin, sarsaparilloside, and sitosterol glucoside. The majority of sarsaparilla's pharmacological properties and actions have been attributed to these steroids and saponins. The saponins have been reported to facilitate the body's absorption of other drugs and phytochemicals, which accounts for its history of use in herbal formulas as an agent for bioavailability and to enhance the power and effect of other herbs.

Functions in use with Lyme Disease

By its ability to bind endotoxins in the blood, it can lesson herx reactions from Lyme and its co-infections.

Potent anti-inflammatory for the symptoms of arthralgia.

In history, Smilax has been used for skin diseases such as Leprosy, lesions, and psoriasis.

Reported to reduce skin reactions. IMHO, it is able to do this due to its hepatoprotective effects and its ability to bind endotoxins. The liver can detox a wide variety of toxins, but in the case where it cannot for one reason or another, those toxins are then transported to the skin. The skin is the liver's dumping ground. Instead of storing those toxins in vital organs compromising those organs, it will store it in the skin when other non-vital areas are filled such as joints and fat deposits.

Lessons fatigue.

Enhances activities of antioxidant enzymes catalase, superoxide dismutase, and glutathione peroxidase.

Improvement of appetite and digestion has been noted with sarsaparilla, as well as its diuretic actions in humans. The root has been reported to have stimulatory activity on the kidneys in humans and, in chronic nephritis, it was shown to increase the urinary excretion of uric acid.

Able to modulate the immune response to infection by lessing the occurence of auto-immune reactions.

Protection and enhancement of liver function.

"Flavonoids in sarsaparilla have been documented to have immune modulation and liver protective activities. A U.S. patent was awarded in 2003 describing these flavonoids to be effective in treating autoimmune diseases and inflammatory reactions through their immunomodulating effects. Sarsasapogenin and smilagenin were subjects of a 2001 U.S. patent which reported that these Smilax steroids had the ability to treat senile dementia, cognitive dysfunction, and Alzheimer's disease. " See the link below in references.

The components of Smilax also have the ability to cross the blood brain barrier (BBB) and can assist in cognition defects associated with chronic Lyme.

"In the patent's animal studies references, smilagenin reversed the decline of brain receptors in aged mice and restored the receptor levels to those observed in young animals, reversed the decline in cognitive function, and enhanced memory and learning."

"Sarsaparilla's main plant chemicals include: acetyl-parigenin, astilbin, beta-sitosterol, caffeoyl-shikimic acids, dihydroquercetin, diosgenin, engeletin, essential oils, epsilon-sitosterol, eucryphin, eurryphin, ferulic acid, glucopyranosides, isoastilbin, isoengetitin, kaempferol, parigenin, parillin, pollinastanol, resveratrol, rhamnose, saponin, sarasaponin, sarsaparilloside, sarsaponin, sarsasapogenin, shikimic acid, sitosterol-d-glucoside, smilagenin, smilasaponin, smilax saponins A-C, smiglaside A-E, smitilbin, stigmasterol, taxifolin, and titogenin."

A 2001 U.S. patent was filed on sarsaparilla (Smilax china) for psoriasis and respiratory diseases. This patent cited clinical observations and studies in conditions of Psoriasis vulgaris, pustular psoriasis, erythroderma psoriaticum lesions, and associated itching. This observations and studies report marked clinical improvements with dosages of 3-6 g daily.

Suggestions I have gleened from many sources suggest starting at the smallest dosage and working up to the highest. Once reaching the highest dose suggested, to stay there for 60 days at the highest dosage. When Lyme symptoms seem to lesson after that 60 day period, then it is suggested to reduce the dosage in correlation.

I do want to make some cautions for folks. It is a potent potentiator of other meds. One would want to be careful with digitalis glycosides, and bismuth. I also wanted to caution you about kidney observations. It would seem some experience relieve from usage, where as others report a worsening of symptoms.

As with every component we consider in our tool box to use against Lyme and fungal OIO's, please do additional research and consult your LLMD or referring physician before implementing any supplements. I am not a doctor and by compiling this, is not to be inferred as a recommendation of its usage in any health concerns.

References

www.rain-tree.com/sarsaparilla.htm

www.med.tu.ac.th/UserFiles/File/a_bkv/bkv07.pdf

www.brainchildnutritionals.com/HerbDocx.html

www.direct-ms.org/bestbet.html

Title:Immunosuppressive agents Document Type and

Number:United States Patent 6531505

Abstract:An immunosuppressive agent which is very effective for treating autoimmune disease, inflammatory reaction, fibrosis or dysfunction caused by autoimmune disease and related disease thereof with tissue injury or infection, rejection of transplantation, graft versus host disease by bone marrow (hematopoietic stem cell) transplantation, or allergic disease, by selectively inhibiting the activated T cells, is provided.

tinyurl.com/b65a22 US Patent

Buhner, Stephan Harrod. Healing Lyme: Natural Healing and Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis and Its Co-Infections126-131, Raven Press, 2005.

Rosner, Bryan. The Top Ten Lyme Disease Treatments93, Biomed Publishing Group, 2007.

Zhang, Q. and Zhang Y. Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine99-101, Sino-Med Research Institute, 2006

I buy it by the pound. I just bought a pound from Starwest. But you can also get it at Raintree and 1st Chinese Herbs. Links as follows:

www.1stchineseherbs.com/smilax.html


tinyurl.com/ykahw6w
www.starwest-botanicals.com/category/sarsaparilla-root/

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Ah, well I found one more that really got my attention. These came from the other forum on Lymebusters. This is by buginarug.



Morgellons » Morgellons - General Discussion » facial lesions?........listen up
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facial lesions?........listen up
Post by buginarug on 4/14/07 at 10:06am

I can't go int detail here, cause we're moving and I don't have the time...long story short

My nosy daughter got into my "box of goodies" the other day.
She located my expensive macadamia nut oil and butt cream (zinc oxide) brand name A&D to be exact.

I was being neglectful and talking to a neigbor, and upon walking into our kitchen, she had the two mixed together on her face.

after about 15 minutes of pictures and laughing our asses off, I wiped the concoction off.

nothing short of a miracle. her bumps dissapeared and long black "dog hair looking fibers appeared. on the long side.

we have repeated this mixture on the both of us for 2 days now, and you can't even tell we had Morgellons.

I don't know what angel possesed her for doing that the other day but it has provided us with a relief beyond monatary value.

no pock marks, no lesions, no bumps, no pimples. we still see the fibers and the specks, but at least we no longer look like we are doing meth.

there is a god
thank you angels.

if this mixture helps anyone else I'd be on cloud 9.

Re: facial lesions?........listen up

(Post by buginarug on 4/14/07 at 12:03pm) cont...

pock marks (starting to fill in) vast improvement. and with a little makeup, you cant even tell.


products) certified organic macadamia nut oil expeller pressed 100 % pure by NOW FOODS
A+D Zinc Oxide Cream (Diaper Rash Cream)

Hope I got all of your post., but the important stuff is above. I can't wait to try this.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

Copied by freaky 3/23/2011 Dead bugs & smackers to all

[kammy]

Lesions

For those with lesions, not all of us have lesions but those that do - I am noticing that there might be different 'agents' at work to cause them and therefore different remedies that might be called for to help them. That's why what may work for one person, may not help another. So far, nothing has helped mine, except - I am showing some improvement and wanted to share what I've done in that it might help someone else.

For instance, mine start as a blister-like pimple that emits something invisible (an invisible wet or dry puss) poison-ivy or impetigo-like that causes the lesion area to get larger and larger. These 'pimples' appear to be coming from an internal source, I say this because - if they were exactly like poison ivy - I should be covered head to toe by now. My pimples end up being larger than silver dollars. At times they are very red in color and they have a very quick cycle of scaling where the top layer of skin sluffs off every few days, I am literally leaving a trail of dead skin and have to vacuum behind myself every day now.

They resemble eczema and psoriasis both and might be, but doctors aren't sure what causes these diseases exactly but I instinctively feel that whatever is at work on me is some sort of bacteria/viral mix. It seems to me that if eczema/psoriasis were as simple as a bacteria/viral mix, that modern medicine would have figured this out by now?

At the same time, I have lost faith in most doctors for various reasons; I have seen nearly 10 different ones now and have yet to get any kind of realistic diagnosis other than eczema/psoriasis which to me is just a 'catch-all' bucket that they throw you in when they don't know nor care about what's really going on and just write you an expensive prescription for whatever drug company is sending them a 'kick-back' or not run tests for their other employer - the insurance companies. And parrot lines that they've been told to say from the AMA, their other boss... 'we don't know what causes this... we think it's stress related... blah, blah...just put this cream on...'

I just got a report that nothing, other than some 'normal yeast' grew in my petri dish. But, at least this doctor is trying... I'm on the last of the Terbinafinhydrochlorid tablets (for fungal infections) - which I almost gave up on taking all of them because I was showing no improvement. The doctor said that after all of the anti-fungals that I've taken recently - that I should be cured of any fungal infection.

I have already had 2 fungal cultures in America - which both came back negative. One was by Dr. Abbott's lab here - that showed 'nothing' - remember? Everyone else had pretty much picked up some secondary fungal infection and each of us had something different going on in the fungal department.

I tell this doctor that I believe what I have is chromobacterium (according to Robert F. Smith's research) and from what I'm seeing under the microscope, they start me on anti-fungals instead. I just saw a link yesterday where serratia marcescens used to be called chromobacteria:

silentsuperbug-reference.blogspot.com/

I noted that when I would leave my home in Atlanta and come back after a week or so that my toilet bowl would have a pink (fungus-like) stain around the edge of the water line in the bowl. This is an indicator of serratia marcescens which my skin was covered in a biofilm - this 'pink stuff' had to be in my shower/bath water too. Of course, I've yet to have any kind of bacterial test run... that's what I'm STILL trying to find out.

I cannot eliminate the other viruses, possibly sexually transmitted diseases and vaccination elements that I've had that might have been dormant in my body and might be just now showing themselves through lesions, either.

Another thing I've noticed is that my scalp is becoming plugged with sebum again like happened with my initial outbreak almost three years ago. I got my scalp cleared up after a few months in the beginning and now it is acting out again with sebum buildup.

That some of us have an over-production of sebum happening. When I look this up:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebaceous_gland


Demodex mite

I have to say this photo looks familiar - just give it a couple of eyeballs and it's one of our 'critters'.

Anyway, what I've done to show some temporary improvement is:

1. Switched brands of cigarettes (quit if you can).

2. Drinking almost no coffee and more teas and less water, I'm getting my water in my tea. (I'm using a carbon filter on my tap water and then boiling the water to make the tea.) Was drinking milk in my coffee but not in my tea.

3. Drinking a couple of teaspoons of epsom salt once or twice a day.

4. Bathing in epsom salt and putting a zinc oxide cream on afterward.

5. I also started taking potassium iodine pills for the coming radiation from Japan...

I don't know which one of these is helping the most? Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate. Maybe, some sort of combination of magnesium, potassium and zinc... ?? The tea is more alkaline than coffee and water, upping my PH. Don't know...

[kammy]

I remember most everything I read, I just don't remember everything in it... lol - I remember reading years ago about how the milk being produced in America (in particular) did not have the right magnesium to calcium ratio. (You can look this up... this is from memory.) That the body cannot absorb calcium without magnesium.

That studies were done to show that people who drank milk had more bone breakage than people that didn't. In fact, they introduced our milk to a nation (I think Japan or a group of Japanese-Americans) that had a low incident of bone breakage in old age and showed that after drinking our milk - they had more.

It was recently noted that our incoming military people's bones are not as strong as previous generations of military people. That they are having to take measures (not sure what they are) to make stronger soldiers. Below is just one article of many:

MILK CAUSES BONE FRACTURES

www.present-truth.org/7-Health-Secrets-Sem/Flesh-Meats/Dairy-Eggs/MILK%20CAUSES%20BONE%20FRACTURES.pdf

"Ninety percent of the dioxins entering the human body come from dairy products and meat, according to the World Health Organization."

That possibly most Americans have some sort of calcium/magnesium out-of-kilter ratio to help set up shortening of life due to old folks entering hospitals for hip replacements, etc. weaker bones and is an unknown contributor in some diseases?

[toni]

Kammy,

I definitely can relate to the "pink" stuff forming in the shower.
I've had that too.

In fact, it's Mr Toni's shower and mine, about 3 months ago,
I saw "pink" stuff begininning to take hold where the grout
is.

It's like we go through "different cycles or phases of expressing different fungi" imho.

First it was "black mold like happening in the toilet bowl
around the water line"....then that all stopped.

Now...a few years later, I'm seeing "pink growth" in the
showers.

[toni]

Just want to share this again about milk...and it's effects
on Serratia Marcescens.


American Society for Microbiology

Effect of Milk Proteins on Adhesion of Bacteria to Stainless Steel Surfaces


Stainless steel coupons were treated with skim milk and subsequently challenged with individual bacterial suspensions of Staphylococcus aureus, Pseudomonas fragi, Escherichia coli, Listeria monocytogenes, and Serratia marcescens.

The numbers of attached bacteria were determined by direct epifluorescence microscopy and compared with the attachment levels on clean stainless steel with two different surface finishes.

Skim milk was found to reduce adhesion of S. aureus, L. monocytogenes, and Serratia marcescens. P. fragi and E. coli attached in very small numbers to the clear surfaces, making the effect of any adsorbed protein layer difficult to assess. Individual milk proteins á-casein, â-casein, ê-casein, and á-lactalbumin were also found to reduce the adhesion of S. aureus and L. monocytogenes.




www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC91605/



This is what I'd found after I saw how well milk/yog remove
my biofilm from my skin and hair. I believe I'm "secreting
these pathogens, or some of them out of my skin and scalp".

[kammy]

Well, we might not have to worry any more about the imbalance in the ratios... lol

Genetically Modified Cows To Produce 'Human' Milk

www.treehugger.com/files/2011/03/genetically-modified-cows-produce-human-milk.php

[kammy]

Allergies

www.nwf.org/Global-Warming/What-is-Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Causing-Extreme-Weather/Allergies.aspx

"Unchecked global warming will worsen respiratory allergies for approximately 25 million Americans. As detailed in NWF’s report Extreme Allergies and Global Warming, many allergy triggers will worsen as a result of climate change unless action is taken to curb global warming pollution and prepare communities for the changes to come."

[kammy]

SLIP A BANANA PEEL IN YOUR DRINK FOR PURITY

news.discovery.com/earth/banana-peels-water-purification-110323.html

"Banana peels may be than more just trash. They could help in the struggle against contaminated water.

Banana peels can bind to trace amounts of copper and lead.

The peels could be a cheap new way to more easily detect heavy metal contamination in drinking water.

The researchers started with flasks of water that contained pre-determined levels of positively charged copper and lead ions. They added dried and ground banana peels. Then, they stirred. After a few minutes, Castro said, there was less metal in the water than there was at the beginning of the experiment. That showed that the peels had bound the metals."

[kammy]

Latest weapon against skin cancer? A drug used to treat arthritis

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1369222/Latest-weapon-skin-cancer-A-drug-used-treat-arthritis.html

"Tests showed that the drug, leflunomide, significantly reduced tumour growth in mice with human-like melanoma."

[bannanny]

I sure can see trying the banana peel and natural things like that... but as far as drugs go, I refuse to take part in that nonsense anymore. Every single time you see an ad, what else do you hear? You hear about all the many side effects that in some cases are the same as what you're being treated for to begin with! It makes no sense at all to me these days!!

Great thread tho kammy... I peek in from time to time!!

[freaky]

Kammy, do you know salt comes in tablet form? Much more fun to swallow. ;D
Love you, freaky