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Post by violet on Oct 1, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -5
Hey Kmarie...what are you saying here... What if God was a Morgie? Hey Carrie, Yes, that IS what I was asking Violet. I understood this comment "below" from Violet ( a Christian) laughing at the fact that she had in her possession the 2010 DVD's. Violet previously stated that she felt it would not be fair to share them with fellow morgies who are less fortunate with a "loan" type program allowing others to view and learn the new information. If God was a morgie, would Violet loan these 2010 Dvd's to him? So....Yes, Carrie --- that is what I was asking a Christian. LOL, r! :-) These videos are two years old. In the new ones from 2010, he has done blast DNA which I understand is a very sophisticated way of testing the fibers...and he actually had it done on all kinds of debris found from lesions. Violet has since stated that I completely misunderstood her comment above and that she was not laughing (LOL) because Rhorn had listened to an older interview. If that was the case, then why mention the 2010 DVD's that she states contain more information? However; I understand it exactly as it was written. Carrie, please be sure to go back and see my previous postings about this and decide for yourself whether KMar is greatly misrepresenting me or not. Please read the context of my postings which KMar has consistently left out; i.e., that I had thought of sharing my CD's with the group here but did not think it was fair to the people who had worked so hard to put the CDs together for the benefit of us all. Taking a statement out of its context can be interpreted in any way someone wants to. KMar wants and is making up her own reality. Really sad, KMar. Really sad. I have tried to be patient and caring and respectful in how I've responded to your other posts about this, but I must say that how you are continuing to misrepresent me is ridiculous and offensive. Let's end this thread. JJ, can you help here? Thank you.
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Post by kmarie on Oct 1, 2010 15:54:39 GMT -5
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Post by Carrie♥ on Oct 1, 2010 16:32:59 GMT -5
Oh I see. Yeah Kmarie...I'm not used to you having an attitude but could totally tell there was something else going on with you and Violet that I just wasn't catching. Well all I wanna say, since we're talking about one of my favorite subjects again, the "G" word... What if it is all part of God's plan? ALL OF IT? Even the morgs? ;D And what DVD? Can some one send me a link? What we're not sharing info here? Heck, I would burn 'em and send 'em to my fellow morgies; I totally would, it's not like you're selling them and making a profit. But that's none of my business, neither here or there...to each their own. WWJD? Oops. But wait...is there info out there that isn't public knowledge because it's FOR SALE???
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Post by vasue on Oct 1, 2010 19:39:32 GMT -5
Kmarie, thanks so much for the Seek the Truth radio show interview with Dr. Wymore from May 30, 2009! Listening to Part 1 www.youtube.com/v/LhUXIaUtF6w found something I hadn't heard before. At 5 minutes in, Dr. Wymore mentions a 95% match of a Morgellons fiber sample with a Dupont nylon filament. The screen then shows a picture with the tag "Dupont bicomponent nylon fiber". Checked that & came up with "the fiber is based on PET fibrils embedded in a matrix of Nylon 6". Although Dr. Wymore answers the radio hosts' questions about such a high perentage match, mentioning specific colors having additional characteristics, I'm not quite catching his meaning. Will have to listen again to both parts & find the remainder on youtube. As far as the CD's of the 2010 conference, my opinion is that if I buy them & lend them out, that's completely ethical, just as if I loaned you a book of mine. Willing to purchase a set & send them around. Perhaps each person send them on to the next?
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Post by vasue on Oct 1, 2010 20:03:46 GMT -5
Listened to Part 1 again more carefully & heard Dr. Wymore say the Dupont nylon filament was given to him as a "supposed" Morgellons fiber - that did not visually match what he usually sees - and the forensic database identified it with the Dupont nylon. Apparently he mentioned it to illustrate that the actual Morgellons fibers have no match in that database.
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Post by kammy on Oct 2, 2010 0:05:05 GMT -5
Yes, I saw that too... it supposedly came out of a Morgellons patient but they thought it didn't look like others they had seen exactly. It only 95% matched and the other 5% was composed of something else, I guess?
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Post by kmarie on Oct 4, 2010 11:56:09 GMT -5
I must not have caught that part. (The nylon was 95%?)? Wow .. yeah I need to listen more carefully, it was a very good interview.
I remember the hydrocarbons and methly groups matching.
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Post by toni on Oct 4, 2010 12:17:49 GMT -5
Vasue,
That is very interesting, and I have listened to that part a few times in the video myself.
Dupont makes such a wide range of "colored" tapes/fibers/etc with chemical compositions of "pure minerals" too. Now, it doesn't start that way of course, but through the routine (process) it's made, lots is lost (as wanted) and only the strength or durability is left.
The "DNA" of biproducts such as cellulose for example is basically "baked out of them" leaving an embedded permanent pigment, that nothing can separate it. Nothing.
And the varieties of "teflon" just as "one tiny' example is a good one to read about the process of how it's made. That's only an "insight" to the hundreds of "inorganics" produced and used widely every day whether we realize these components or not.
Also, Dr. Wymore says with the Spect. scope "carbon nano" tubes "would be able to be seen if they were present"...all in that 5 min mark you've pointed out.
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Post by kmarie on Oct 4, 2010 12:30:29 GMT -5
Kmarie, thanks so much for the Seek the Truth radio show interview with Dr. Wymore from May 30, 2009! Listening to Part 1 www.youtube.com/v/LhUXIaUtF6w found something I hadn't heard before. At 5 minutes in, Dr. Wymore mentions a 95% match of a Morgellons fiber sample with a Dupont nylon filament. The screen then shows a picture with the tag "Dupont bicomponent nylon fiber". Checked that & came up with "the fiber is based on PET fibrils embedded in a matrix of Nylon 6". Although Dr. Wymore answers the radio hosts' questions about such a high perentage match, mentioning specific colors having additional characteristics, I'm not quite catching his meaning. Will have to listen again to both parts & find the remainder on youtube. As far as the CD's of the 2010 conference, my opinion is that if I buy them & lend them out, that's completely ethical, just as if I loaned you a book of mine. Willing to purchase a set & send them around. Perhaps each person send them on to the next? Vasue, Are you serious? That would be great! We could pass them on to each other and return them to you after we all had a chance to watch! Since it is only a "Suggested" Donation -- maybe you would not even have to pay the full price?
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Post by kmarie on Oct 4, 2010 12:40:29 GMT -5
Carrie, Here is the "SALE PRICE" Donation for older 2009 information which includes the TV programs of "Inside Edition" and the Discovery Program (from TV). www.thenmo.org/Austin2009.htm
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Post by ctbarb on Oct 4, 2010 23:00:54 GMT -5
Dear Folks, I'm getting the feeling that if some of us are not fortunate enough to have the $$$ to buy the CDs of the 2010 conference, then we are SOL...even if new information was presented that would benefit us? I find that quite insulting. Perhaps that's just another way of saying "If you buy the CD with the information to cure you, then you'll live... and if you don't buy it, you die!" That's just an example, don't anyone misread that quote, please. Remember a couple of months ago when I ordered and bought a $35.00 paper so that we could all read the entire article? It didn't give us any further information, BUT, I was informed just a day later that that information was available and sent to one of the foundations and not posted for others to see. We are being given just what others in the Morg community think we should see and nothing more! Quite frankly, I'm disappointed and fed up with these tactics and don't find them funny or helpful at all. There are many of us here who are spending most of our waking hours investigating information, theories, possibilities, and pure science in the hope that we WILL find a cure! That's our contribution to the cause... and we are scraping every last penny together to keep our internet working? I understand that the foundation needs to make money, but keeping viable information from those who need it most, lacks compassion and understanding IMHO. These are my thoughts and MY thoughts only. A Third Class Citizen After All, CTBarb
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Post by ctbarb on Oct 5, 2010 14:51:55 GMT -5
Dear Folks, I guess I ruffled some feathers, and now mine are singed...I was royally chastised for posting the above post...and in that vain, I am forwarding this offer: "If anyone is interested in the 2010 Conference on Morgellons and cannot afford a contribution, just send an email to ccaseyrn@hughes.net and let her know your situation. She will be happy to mail you a DVD set as long as you provide your name and address". Since my disclaimer WAS read and misinterpreted, I guess I really need to pack up my bugs, worms etc. and hit the road! It's been nice, but the infighting is finally getting to me, I'm packing up my tent... Sorry. Enjoy your CDs from the conference! Blessings, CTBarb
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Post by kmarie on Oct 5, 2010 16:07:59 GMT -5
Barb, Please don't let anyone "Bully" you away. You are very strong and we care about you so very much here. Only some kind of "KOOK" would believe that they are allowed to bully good people around. Please don't leave LB.Dear Folks, I guess I ruffled some feathers, and now mine are singed...I was royally chastised for posting the above post...and in that vain, I am forwarding this offer: "If anyone is interested in the 2010 Conference on Morgellons and cannot afford a contribution, just send an email to ccaseyrn@hughes.net and let her know your situation. She will be happy to mail you a DVD set as long as you provide your name and address". Since my disclaimer WAS read and misinterpreted, I guess I really need to pack up my bugs, worms etc. and hit the road! It's been nice, but the infighting is finally getting to me, I'm packing up my tent... Sorry. Enjoy your CDs from the conference! Blessings, CTBarb
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Post by toni on Oct 5, 2010 17:39:47 GMT -5
Barb,
You are part of the network here, the fam, and I'd sure hate to see you pack up your bugs and take down your tent.
We love you, you're the CTBarb here! And it wouldn't be the same without you.
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Post by kmarie on Oct 5, 2010 20:41:15 GMT -5
LOL, r! :-) These videos are two years old. In the new ones from 2010, he has done blast DNA which I understand is a very sophisticated way of testing the fibers...and he actually had it done on all kinds of debris found from lesions. [/quote] I have requested a copy of this years 2010 Conference Presentation DVD's so that I may learn of the new sophisticated way of testing the fibers and other DNA testing Dr. Wymore did on all kinds of debris found from lesions as Violet stated in the above quote.
When the New 2010 DVD set arrives, I will very happily share it. If anyone wants to borrow them, please PM me so I can send them to you. Thank you Barb for forwarding this offer below and please don't leave us here at LB. I am forwarding this offer:"If anyone is interested in the 2010 Conference on Morgellons and cannot afford a contribution, just send an email to ccaseyrn@hughes.net and let her know your situation. She will be happy to mail you a DVD set as long as you provide your name and address".
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Post by jeany on Oct 6, 2010 3:35:58 GMT -5
Dear Barb, please don't leave LB and rethink your decision. I can understand your frustration though. After buying that article for 35 dollars in the hope to read something new according our disease and in order to help yourself and others and then to find out that 'they' already had it, is indeed aggravating. Nevertheless thank you very much for the article, I personally appreciated that.
In case of the 2010 conference DVD's I must say though, that I don't think, that these are only given away or 'sold' to people who have enough money, although some comments could have left such a wrong impression thus leading to more frustration, assumptions and possibly 'heated' discussions among several members.
And to the information given out: I believe that the scientific community working on Morgellons Disease only 'give out' so much information as to what they think we can handle resp. understand. Unfortunately the investigations are not finished yet and a complete medical and scientific journal is not available at this time. What we have so far are 'bits and pieces' of this and that, either from what we've heard, researched or studied so far.
But still, we were and are able to come to sound conclusions just according to the fact that we want to know 'what's going on'. It's our own will and perstistence what keeps us going and wants us to look further in to this as long as there is no official information given out.
So, it's up to us to not give up, no matter what! It's precious members like you who keep this forum 'alive' and a worthy place to come to find some answers, support and care, so, please, although I know you're upset right now...don't let this 'issue' take you away from us, it's not worth it!
Much love Jeany
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Post by vasue on Oct 6, 2010 9:22:13 GMT -5
Barb, please stay, and know you're greatly appreciated & needed.
I was unaware of the policy of giving the DVD's to those whose current financial situation precludes a donation. Received a gracious & thoughtful response to my order for the 2010 Conference proceedings, including the following:
"You may also post on LB that all anyone has to do is send an email to ccaseyrn@hughes.net and let me know that they can't afford a contribution but would like to have the DVDs and I will be happy to mail them out. All it requires is a real name, address, and email. This should clear up any misunderstanding and make it known to all members at LB that the information is available to all and I'll even pay the postage. Our goal is to distribute information and that is why we hold the annual conference. That is why have it recorded for others in the first place. "
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Post by jj on Oct 6, 2010 12:18:04 GMT -5
Thanks all for your contributions.
It certainly is a good thing that the DVDs are available to all who are interested. I hope this will be further clarified on CEHF and other posting boards and blogs as well as it was here for LB. Please lets not twist or make this into an issue of "infighting" when that is clearly not the case. Certainly no one should leave here because of that perception either.
When people put themselves in the public eye in a position of authority as well as advocating for a worthy cause, the manner business is conducted will be questioned. Thats normal and to be expected. Hopefully those questions and queries are respectful and with the best of intentions for all concerned. Likewise, applicable questions should be addressed as such and certainly not be misinterpreted as threatening.
Please remember what we communicate publicly on the internet stays here FOREVER and has an effect on us all. It's best to use as a constructive tool to communicate, learn and achieve goals ......... not to tear down.
It appears public contribution contributed to positive change. THAT is a good thing.
Thank you
JJ
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Post by ctbarb on Oct 6, 2010 12:40:57 GMT -5
Dear Folks,
Well said, JJ. And thanks to all who have responded either positive or negative.
This morning my email was full of remarks about my posting from more than one person involved.
It was demanded that I post an apology and retract my posting as it shed negativity on the Foundation; this will serve as my apology: It certainly was NOT my intent too question the integrity of the Board of The Charles E. Holman Foundation or any other of the foundations that are currently active. I hope this satisfies everyone out there!
My response was only to interrupt the queries here on the Board and not to question anyone's integrity! However, I guess it depends on how you read it and interpreted it. That being said, there will be no further comments from me regarding this issue.
Life is too short having this disease (and the many other co-infections) to be arguing about what each of our intentions and interpretations are. If there isn't understanding and forgiveness amongst us, then we have nothing to share!
Blessings to ALL,
CTBarb
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