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Post by toni on Mar 6, 2011 18:33:50 GMT -5
I'm just posting away, and well...maybe it will help us figure out what the heck is what. I've got so many video's and pictures, and articles, I just don't know where to begin...so I'll just post some of them that have my curiosity going. Please see this video. It will look like it stops, but it's only because I'm readjusting my needle. Watch (the left side of this specimen I yanked out from deep within the lesion) with tweezers...(the left side has like an "arm appendage" on it. This "appendage is important imho". I'll be back with why. tinypic.com/player.php?v=207lrb9&s=7Also, in the video, I'm trying to smash this specimen with the needle, but this sucker is as hard as can be, and smooth and extremely slippery, and it has a "hard ball" inside it.
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Post by toni on Mar 6, 2011 18:47:34 GMT -5
Only if you see the video in the previous post, will this look familar.
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Post by toni on Mar 6, 2011 19:02:40 GMT -5
More pictures (see lower right corner) of somatic embryo's of "different species" of plants. jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/6/1525/F3.large.jpgSort of similar to our darts - not exact, as there's so many different species, but the somatic embryo's of plants, are similar. See letter D and F pictures.
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Post by toni on Mar 6, 2011 19:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by skizit on Mar 6, 2011 21:32:47 GMT -5
To narrow it down, this is what I would ask? My thoughts on this is that as part of the disease, Morgellons, our bodies are being used to incubate other animals and plants.
If the object is part of the life cycle of an amoeba, what are the parts that would be present? If they have been engineered for human purposes or as part of an evolution experiment, what are the possibilities as to what those changes are?
One lady has celery so I consider any possibility.
As far as I know, these forms do not transform any further than this plug-like thing. It may grow bigger and may change inside, but I'm wondering if it bursts or visibly changes after this form. I believe Jan put water diluted alcohol on one and the parts separated.
I would like to have someone do that, 10% water/90%alcohol or just straight alcohol. The outer jelly like part should come off. I would like to know if you find anything inside that is obviously man-made like a hexagon. Hexagons may contain a "starter kit" which grows a colony of amoebas and it grows around the hexagon. Hexagons or other shapes sometimes are microfluidic devices with a colony of living things and everything they need to thrive and grow.
If you have more than one, staining it to show the smaller structures might be good. maybe iodine, or whatever else you can think of that would cause a color. I guess that's another possibility.
Thanks.
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Post by itchin4answers on Mar 7, 2011 3:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 7, 2011 8:21:35 GMT -5
To narrow it down, this is what I would ask? My thoughts on this is that as part of the disease, Morgellons, our bodies are being used to incubate other animals and plants. If the object is part of the life cycle of an amoeba, what are the parts that would be present? If they have been engineered for human purposes or as part of an evolution experiment, what are the possibilities as to what those changes are? One lady has celery so I consider any possibility. As far as I know, these forms do not transform any further than this plug-like thing. It may grow bigger and may change inside, but I'm wondering if it bursts or visibly changes after this form. I believe Jan put water diluted alcohol on one and the parts separated. I would like to have someone do that, 10% water/90%alcohol or just straight alcohol. The outer jelly like part should come off. I would like to know if you find anything inside that is obviously man-made like a hexagon. Hexagons may contain a "starter kit" which grows a colony of amoebas and it grows around the hexagon. Hexagons or other shapes sometimes are microfluidic devices with a colony of living things and everything they need to thrive and grow. If you have more than one, staining it to show the smaller structures might be good. maybe iodine, or whatever else you can think of that would cause a color. I guess that's another possibility. Thanks. Skizit, When you say (our bodies are being used to incubate, may I ask more specifically what you mean)? I'm sorry, I just want to understand better. Do you mean "we're growing bugs and they're remaining to "thrive" as in incubate to a more mature stage? Like an egg that is left in an incubator till it hatches? I know "in typing it's hard sometimes to get across specifically what we mean sometimes". And I'm just not sure if that's what you mean. And for myself, I've not had the hexagons. I've looked everyday for years. (but, that's just me)...so I'm not a good candidate/subject for this part. Also (and anyone else should answer/reply if they would) but for myself to "use isopropyl alcohol" on these specimens, imho it causes "a hardening" of many of the specimens as soon as the alcohol or any drying agent like this touches them. I'm finding that sticking with water works better, (they don't harden up) plus I don't risk "killing the specimen". The "outer sheath like" on these "seed looking specimens" - well, so far, I've not been able to remove it. (I'll get more aggressive with it next time I pluck one out) because I am very curious as to what that hard ball in the middle is.
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Post by toni on Mar 7, 2011 8:32:53 GMT -5
Hi Itchin. Can I ask where this specimen of yours came from? And "imho" which is only just that, your image there looks just like others too that have had the (same looking) seed (which is what it sure looks like to me). I'll see if I can find them.
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Post by toni on Mar 7, 2011 9:02:28 GMT -5
Here some of them Itchin, What I find most interesting here is - the similarity of all 3 specimens - from 3 different people - in completely 3 different places in the world.
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Post by skizit on Mar 7, 2011 13:16:43 GMT -5
Dear buttinsky (joke), I think that's a cotton flower, the thing that forms before the boll. I could be wrong but search for "pictures of stages of cotton" and you will find similar structures.
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Post by skizit on Mar 7, 2011 13:43:46 GMT -5
What I mean by incubate is just this. Look at this ppt about somatic embryogenesis. www.authorstream.com/Presentation/kutter-393078-somatic-embryogenesis-ptc-deol-science-technology-ppt-powerpoint/Look at the form on page 9. The plug-like forms may be this embryonic form. They are being incubated in the human body, from what I've seen, between the fingers. They may arise from a "seed". Assuming they are plant or animal (most likely a plant) they do not turn into complete structures so remain embryonic. QUESTION: Why do they not complete their life stages? ANSWER: 1st stab: They are genetically altered? QUESTION: Are they genetically altered or genetic expression? ANSWER: Geneticaly altered would mean they may be a hybrid life form, part plant, part synthetics. Genetic expression in polymer would mean they are completely man-made. If man-made, they will have as many of the 8 definitions of man-made life (per NASA) as possible. Therefore, taking apart the structure and separating the pieces. It has to be done quickly before it hardens. The several I've seen have a microscopic piece of yellow, a piece of something black and the transluscent bulk and possbily a hexagon. I tend to think more that its a hybrid which ends growth at this stage perhaps because of its incomplete genetic expression.
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Post by toni on Mar 7, 2011 14:20:50 GMT -5
Yes, I see what you mean about the "incubation". Thanks.
Okay, just some input here (my thoughts) as to why they don't mature?
My thoughts are this, because they can't. Sort of like they can get "kicked off" from the embryonic stage, but as they continue to grow, they lack the nutrients to continue to thrive.
Sort of reminds me of 'regular bushes in yard'. We had one for instance that only "took off" to a certain point, and then it was like it went dormant. We found out that the soil just couldn't support it's continued growth.
So...I guess I sort of see these 'like that'.
It's like they've got enough 'umph' basically to begin, but not enough "umph" within them or us, that will help them continue to grow.
Something else...again just my thoughts are, this isn't all what I'd call man made materials.
When DNA's of plants or fungi or bacteriums are brought together by the means of Agro, it's very natural, as there's not anything "in nature" abnormal in it's cellular structures because they "can connect basically" by the agro.
The only thing imho that's "man made, or what I'd call it" is "man induced"...is he's the one manipulating the cells from one species to another, that normally aren't combined or meant to be together.
PS, I believe you're absolutely correct, that these particular specimens will come apart "as soon as they're picked" because to let them dry out even for a minute they sure do harden with an unpenetrable skins or sheath. Next time, I'll do that and not wait.
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Post by skizit on Mar 7, 2011 15:01:27 GMT -5
Scientists usually use one species to study, in the case of somatic embryogenesis they have used the cassava plant. I looked up what Scripps has done with this and came up with some very interesting stuff. Here's the quote "The route of regeneration of cassava plantlets from tissue culture used by almost all groups was somatic embryogenesis from cassava leaf lobes. The International LB for Tropical Ag (ILTAP) and Scrippps achieved a breakthrough in improving the efficiency of somatic embryogenesis and plant recovery in cassava (1993). "In 1994, several groups were involved in cassava transformation in Canada, US, Netherlands, UK Columbia and Brazil. Cassava calli were easily transformed using Agrobacterium; somatic embryos were transformed by Agrobacterium and by particle gun, and chimeric embryos expressing the gus gene were produced, as well as CHIMERIC PLANTLETS (1993)." You can see the plug-like form in this. Some of the ooey gooey yellow/orange goo in Morgellons may be this disorganized callus. They also come in red. MORGELLONS VERSION books.google.com/books?id=9vVURaWRSI4C&pg=PA713&lpg=PA713&dq=Scripps+somatic+embryogenesis&source=bl&ots=TJRHeZuly2&sig=8AnA-yGrR9LqYOEPDo4F2rgCVwE&hl=en&ei=3DV1TYSxB4OW0QGkx43FAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Scripps%20somatic%20embryogenesis&f=falseQUESTION: Are these "darts" cassava? or perhaps Arabidopsis thaliana (another model plant) or perhaps carrot or cotton?
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Post by skizit on Mar 7, 2011 17:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 7, 2011 17:40:02 GMT -5
Great info Skizit.
I've often wondered myself about the Arabidopsis thaliana.
Have you seen the GUS expressed in some of the specimens on the internet. Oh ugh, it also has a very familar look to it also with our stuff. It's that "pretty blue color".
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Post by itchin4answers on Mar 7, 2011 17:55:33 GMT -5
Thank you skizit, I've had a look at some images as you suggested. Still on the case. I'll let you know if I come up with something. No offence taken -
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Post by skizit on Mar 7, 2011 23:08:50 GMT -5
Just a note. I was trying to find out who did the European Hedgehog genome because I was considering DNA replacement of human hair with hollow hedgehog hair/spine DNA.
I got this back from the Broad Institute which did the genome: "The kind of research projects you are suggesting (both the bio-warfare with mites & the hollow-hair hedgehog-human transgenics,) is both highly unethical and illegal, and no one at the Broad (or anyone we collaborate with) would ever think about attempting such things."
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Post by toni on Mar 8, 2011 8:58:38 GMT -5
Oh geeze, that's what they wrote you back? Wow. Sounds like they didn't like the question. You know, when I think about all the oil spills, or actually the "mistakes" or ooops people do in labs or anywhere actually.... The only ones we hear about (are the ones they can't hide) because I sure can't imagine a place of "testing and tinkering" just coming out and admitting to everyone saying: Hey, we just let something out of the bag accidentally. Nope, not in this life. Just like (who was that Johnson and Johnson)? that knew of fungus, yet did nothing....till the heavy hand came down on them. Yet they let it ride till then. And applying that way of doing things, (that *they*) don't fix what's wrong IF they don't *have* to.... we're all then left to find out the hard way...with our health. We're sooo at the mercy of what's going on behind closed doors.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2011 9:08:48 GMT -5
And another (seed looking specimen) from another Morgie.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2011 9:23:36 GMT -5
Updated "seed looking specimens" with now 4 different people having the same species or very similar.
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