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Post by threader on Apr 15, 2011 15:43:53 GMT -5
Hi community, New member here, self-diagnosed with bad symptoms during the supermoon several weeks back, have it under control but still totally lifechanging right now. Juicer and epson salt baths work best for me. Is it feasible that I caught this from smoking pesticide laden weed in travels? Weed seems to be bad on the symptoms, is this just the acidifying effect or something more? Will I need to quit smoking to get better?
Edit: Please don't write this off a stoner post. No, I don't really think THC causes M. But my weed consumption is noteworthy in that I am the perfect case-study for an otherwise healthy person who has ingested massive amounts of pesticides and maybe fungicides by smoking. We know tweakers get this, could tokers be at risk too?
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Post by threader on Apr 19, 2011 11:22:15 GMT -5
Ok, I want to talk some more about my condition to hopefully gain insight from someone, or contribute to studies. List of things that provoke the M: 1. Staying at home is horrible. Working hours at the computer where I have been during worst symptoms is especially bad. 2. Smoking weed in excess is bad, primarily just skin symptoms, I think. 3. Warming weather after a cold snap. The spring snowmelt at my house coincided with the supermoon and was when I originally discovered this. Something about that supermoon/ spring melt set me into full-blown M, has been nowhere near as bad since. Insight? 4. The 3 days leading up to and night of full moon are bad. Immediate relief morning after. 5. Soda, coffee, chewing tobacco, processed foods all seem mildly bad for me.
Things that I am 100% sure help drastically: 1. I bought a juicer and load it with celery, parsley, broccoli, beets, garlic, spinach, and apples. This is the most powerful medicine I've found, it takes ten seconds after chug before I feel amazing reduction in symptoms that lasts for about 2 hours after drinking. 2. Epson salt baths, lot of salt, 20 min soaks, twice a day. Pronounced reduction in symtoms during bath and for about an hour after. Leaving the bath I usually catch a powerful headrush that is strong enough I have to brace with my hands so I don't fall. I then have to lay down for 10-15 mins with fatigue as my ears ring or buzz for 10 mins, then I feel good. 3. Sunlight helps alot. 4. All of the housekeeping and laundry advice on the forums is crucial as well. 1-2 sets of clothes for day, 1 set of sleeping clothes mando for me.
Random Observations:
1. I make people withing 2 meters of me itch, on the side of their body nearest me. People with an athletic, healthy, look and healthy skin are least affected, those who are sick or are chronic itchers anyways are plagued by my presence. I don't know if this is fibers reaching out or if this is the fact that I am totally electric when I'm morging out- my hair stands on end and all kinds of objects can be moved near my skin to make all the hairs rise. This is not imagined. When its bad someone even in the same room or who I walk past in the store will get small itch. 2. When I touch the wrong morg cleaning or get into the wrong part of my house I sometimes feel an overpowering electric impulse sheering through my body. It's heinous, I don't mind the aforementioned headrushes that almost make me pass out, but I hate these electric charges. 3. List of treatments that for me seem quite meh- didn't feel I got anything from them- Doxycyline, Para-90 anti parisitic homeopatic med, collodial silver dropped under toungue. 4. My personal collection of symptoms, ranked from mildest to severest IMHO:
a. mild itching relieved by merely touching the point where fiber is leaving so it frees it. the white spiraling fibers. b. the sugar snakes, ash (yeah, when I smoke enough I get ash not fibers leaving my hands sometimes), and hooked brown versions of the sugar snakes. these brown ones can get long. This is also the level where my hair stands straight up and feels weird. c. the hexes, clear gel, multicolored bright threads that can accompany anything else or come out on their own, usually same colors as clothes worn previously d. the head fog, alzheimers like memory loss, joint pain, unbearable fatigue at finishing daily tasks, constant shedding of fibers. inability to get a full night of sleep, still no big open sores. What I think were eggs present in living areas. What I identified and the exterminator also identified as parts of bugs, a casing, legs, a thorax, left my skin during supermoon. this is as full blown as I've gone, only felt for about a week. never want to go back.
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Post by xiblanque on Apr 19, 2011 12:07:49 GMT -5
Hi Threader, What do you mean by Wilderness as a treatment? Your juice recipe sounds great! I think that trying to maintain an alkaline pH helps and so does eating organic food, or at least avoiding processed foods. Good observations. Xib
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Post by threader on Apr 19, 2011 12:49:44 GMT -5
Hi Threader, What do you mean by Wilderness as a treatment? Your juice recipe sounds great! I think that trying to maintain an alkaline pH helps and so does eating organic food, or at least avoiding processed foods. Good observations. Xib A condition that is aggravated by all that is toxic seemingly would be relieved by extended periods of time in wilderness, where everything is natural. Detox would take the form of exertion, sunlight, and possibly environmental stresses. Examples would be backpacking trip, climbing expedition, or desert camping.
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Post by snoozieblues on Apr 19, 2011 13:02:03 GMT -5
I had an absolutely horrific reaction to marijuana. My theory is that there was either PCP or steroids in it (it was prescribed to someone with MS - "superweed" - and steroids can aggravate parasitic infections and cause them to migrate around the body). Or it might have just been really, really strong THC.
In any case, whatever was in it, it changed my life. It was like the most intense Lyme herx you can imagine. I started having these weird paresthesias in my mouth (coming from my brain stem probably), very very intense depersonalization, and all kinds of weird "somatic" symptoms that nobody could explain. Something in my brain was set off in a very, very bad way - these neurotoxins don't need any encouraging.
Now I will never, ever smoke again. I feel like a PSA for marijuana abstention, but it's true - you never know what might interact unfavorably with an already-beleaguered body. Perhaps you could get away with smoking as long as you know it's just regular old weed, but you can't ever be too careful with Morgs, either.
Interesting about the supermoon. And I like juice, too. I find I actually have to curtail my Vitamin C intake to keep my immune system from going into overdrive and exacerbating my symptoms, but there's nothing like a nice cold orange juice. It just powers me up in a nice way.
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Post by threader on Apr 21, 2011 19:56:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the response, snoonzie. I'm a little doubtful that your weed was laced, if you don't smoke normally weed is super strong these days. Nevertheless, I am wondering if either modern genetics in marijuana production, or pesticides could be to blame. I'm on day two without smoking, symptoms are reduced but not gone. I will continue updating this as I learn more about how much pot is a factor in my M.
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Post by xiblanque on Apr 21, 2011 20:00:40 GMT -5
from wiki... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParaquatParaquat Paraquat is the trade name for N,NŒ-dimethyl-4,4Œ-bipyridinium dichloride, one of the most widely used herbicides in the world. Paraquat, a viologen, is quick-acting and non-selective, killing green plant tissue on contact. During the late 1970s, a controversial program sponsored by the US government sprayed paraquat on marijuana fields in Mexico.[9] Since much of this marijuana was subsequently smoked by Americans, the US government's "Paraquat Pot" program stirred much debate. Perhaps in an attempt to deter people from using marijuana, representatives of the program warned that spraying rendered the crop unsafe to smoke. However, independent bodies have studied paraquat in this use. Jenny Pronczuk de Garbino,[10] stated: "no lung or other injury in marijuana users has ever been attributed to paraquat contamination". Also a United States Environmental Protection Agency manual states: "... toxic effects caused by this mechanism have been either very rare or nonexistent. Most paraquat that contaminates marijuana is pyrolyzed during smoking to dipyridyl, which is a product of combustion of the leaf material itself (including marijuana) and presents little toxic hazard."[11]
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Post by threader on Apr 21, 2011 20:20:00 GMT -5
hmmm. how about connecting these two dots: Marijuana Contains Carcinogens Focusing on aldehyde, a known carcinogen and chemical found in marijuana smoke, scientists were able to provide evidence that the marijuana smoke component was able to damage DNA (Singh et al. “Evaluation of the DNA Damaging Potential of Cannabis Cigarette Smoke by the Determination of Acetaldehyde Derived N2-Ethyl-2′-deoxyguanosine Adducts”, Chemical Research in Toxicology, 2009; 22 (6): 1181.) Read more at Suite101: Legalizing Marijuana: Pot Smoke Contains Both Toxic and Therapeutic Chemicals | Suite101.com www.suite101.com/content/legalizing-marijuana-a126519#ixzz1KD71bLdJand the next qyote i took from: morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/category/acetylaldehyde/Summary This is just a very quick write up. I feel strongly that aldehydes such as Acetaldehyde and Formaldehyde are the dominant causes of our symptoms. I’m glossing over a ton of evidence here such as the Putida and other things, I believe Toluene is being created in our bodies and am sure these are causing my symptoms. OP note: I should also add that I've probably consumed 200-300 grams of various qualities of cocaine in my life, as well as 20 years of binge drinking a couple nights a week. But I was just smoking lots of weed (zero alcohol or coke) when Morgellons came on, which it did gradually. Could it be a combined load of all this acetaldehyde that gave me this? How the hell do I get rid of deposits of this stuff?
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Post by threader on Apr 21, 2011 23:18:02 GMT -5
One other oddity I want to touch on, since it is the only symptom I've had that I haven't seen other accounts of in M forums. When I'm smoking lots of pot, I can take a big rip off a joint and watch a 1-2 inch diameter patch of grey ash come out of my palm, totally different than the fibers. I've had this happen at least a dozen times. Anyone else ever get this?
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Post by threader on Apr 23, 2011 14:23:31 GMT -5
Update: 3 and a half days now without weed. The black matter leaving as ash has ceased completely. The black chunky matter exiting my skin that was profuse is almost completely gone. Some general improvement in overall symptoms, but still plenty of clear threads and clear or white grains leaving my skin, especially with consumption of coffee, processed foods and sugar. Its now clear to me that morg matter has consistent color and texture characteristics that represent the contaminants that feed M. These can be observed within seconds of consumption sometimes.
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Post by bannanny on Apr 23, 2011 15:54:54 GMT -5
As far as drugs of any kind go (including and especially prescriptions) I refuse to take any of them anymore. It's all poison if you ask me. I mean look at all the side effects these days... they're worse than what you're taking the freakin pill for! But you also gotta remember all the chemtrail spraying and all the pesticides being used today are bound to end up on your weed one way or the other. So I'd continue to see how you do without it... and if you can't do without it, I wish you a happy high! Of course I doubt you'd have a happy trip on psychedelics... in fact I wouldn't go there if I were you. I can't even imagine what that would be like... but I'm sure it would be very bad.
Either way tho, I've been dealing with the electrical sensations and seeing bright white sparks for a very long time now... and I haven't smoked pot in years. All I know is it's a chemical and I think morgs feeds on chemicals of any kind. Well... I think it feeds on everything tho, so who knows threader. You just have to experiment with your own symptoms cuz everyone's different. But I do know that becoming a leper again IS NOT the way out.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by violet on Apr 23, 2011 16:01:52 GMT -5
Update: 3 and a half days now without weed. The black matter leaving as ash has ceased completely. The black chunky matter exiting my skin that was profuse is almost completely gone. Some general improvement in overall symptoms, but still plenty of clear threads and clear or white grains leaving my skin, especially with consumption of coffee, processed foods and sugar. Its now clear to me that morg matter has consistent color and texture characteristics that represent the contaminants that feed M. These can be observed within seconds of consumption sometimes. After a few days in public,I've decided to go back into solitary living. This isolation is far worse than the actual symptoms Im dealing with. To cope, I will toke. Black matter leaving hands>manic depression. So follow this thread for further self experimentation on the effects of the ganja on a Morgie. I'm also curious about the effect of psychodelics on M. Yeah, obviously a really horrible trip seems like a strong possiblity. But who knows how the M would react? Anyone out there tried. I'm considering. Will post if I try. Hi, Threader. You have lots and lots of company with feeling like hiding...and with being very discouraged...and with having lots of horrible symptoms right now for some reason. Lots of us are so very embarrassed and discouraged and stay to ourselves a lot. But I have three things to share with you that may be a little encouragement to you in helping you get out inbetween days of staying isolated. I share these things humbly, because I also tend to isolate myself inbetween times of getting out. There are no easy answers to how to handle things, but sometimes a little thing here and there helps to get us through. (1) I have found that focusing on others--my family and friends and even just people I'm around in a store--and being cheerful and caring and focused on them has helped tremendously. What has astounded me is that no one has rejected me, which has been a concern of mine. In fact, it has done the opposite. Reaching out to them has deepened my understanding of what is most important to others, and it's not our appearance. (2) Are you in an area where you could check with some counseling places and/or hospitals and/or churches to see if they have some support groups for people with chronic medical issues? A friend of mine is a counselor and also leads a few groups, one of which is a group of people with chronic medical issues, and I have had a strong sense of their closeness and the comfort it brings to them to be accepted and in touch with and among others who are in similar straits. (3) If you can possibly gather all your strength to be up tomorrow morning and go to a (good) church in your area, you may find this Sunday's service especially uplifting, being that it's Easter. If you pm me what state/city you live in, I may be able to recommend a good one for you to try. Alternately, there is an excellent pastor on TV on Sunday mornings--Dr. Charles Stanley. I've "done" church in my home many Sundays when I just couldn't face going out in public. :-) I think I speak for many of us that we are concerned for you not to go into an alternate world under the influence of heavy drugs. We care too much about you. If there is any way at all that I (or anyone else on the board) can help you, even if it's just to listen, please know that we are here for you.
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Post by threader on Apr 23, 2011 19:38:45 GMT -5
Sorry if my messages this morning seemed a little melodramtic. I was just tripping a little, I'm really concerned about the bystander itching issue and what it means as far as the transmission of M. Got some new weed, Tutti Fruity, and so far no dark matter leaving hands. I'm wondering if symptoms related to weed are either the acidity if one oversmokes, or the chemis used and not flushed in alot of weed. Like burritos, I've found this is one of my old foods that I can still get away with symptom free provided I go to the right taqueria in town. But this morning, even using kind rainbow pork in a homemade burro I morged out a bit following a couple hours sypmtom free. Probably related to the canned beans or flour tortillas, cant decide which. Violet, thanks for contributing. I've got awesome support structure, thats all there, and my appearance is better than ever since I haven't got sores yet and am eating really healthy. For me I'm just tripping because I make those in my proximity itch. Almost 100% of people. They don't know its me, but I do, I really need to know if I'm putting them at risk and won't let family visit til I know. Bannybanny, I agree about mushrooms, would prob be a pretty rough trip, lol. What do u think about antidepressants? Nightime cough medicine? Obv they prob arent good for M, but really bad? I think I may have started feeling better when I stopped taking Doxycycline, which was prescribed for this, and I certainly don't think I benefitted much from it.
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Post by snoozieblues on Apr 23, 2011 20:20:11 GMT -5
I went through the exact same thing freaking out about infecting everybody. I was convinced my whole family got it from me. I could see the signs in everyone and it killed me inside.
Maybe they did. But I didn't invent it, nor did I choose to be a carrier of it. Plus, I think it is, at its root, environmental. So don't feel guilty - that's the least productive thing you can do. Instead, spread awareness.
I thought about taking LSD for awhile too. Except I think it would be the WORST trip in the whole world. Can you imagine Morgellons and acid? Oh God...not a good idea!
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Post by bannanny on Apr 24, 2011 12:34:36 GMT -5
Well threader... I stopped taking everything and anything, including Doxy. No anti-depressents anymore either... especially when I realized what a scam that one is! I mean, who in this world isn't depressed for one reason or another? The big pharms knew they'd make a killing off of that one cuz they knew everyone would be game for it, no questions asked!! But what really gets me is when they list all the side effects... one being suicidal tendancies from taking an anti-depressent. Now how much sense does that make? NONE!!!
You can bet the big pharma's are in cahoots with whoever invented morgs now too... just another something they created in order to make a new pill for that they alone will be able to profit by. That's the way I see it all anyway... and they dam well know anyone suffering the effects of morgs is gonna take that miracle pill they come up with for it. Even me... I'm sorry to say.
love ya's ~~ bannanny
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Post by 22122agin on Apr 24, 2011 16:20:58 GMT -5
Threader, This happened to me in the beginning, maybe the first year or so. It is horrible because you feel like a leper. My neighbor was pawing at herself in exactly the same way talking to her outside. She never does that now. Got my hair cut in the middle of the cycle and I said, don't use the hair dryer on me. When she did, she started frantically pawing at her nose like something had gotten into it. I so worried but 6 years later after she has two kids now, she is not having any reaction around me including hair dryer. I used burts bees color shampoo on my hair and it helps lots. I even went to therapy back then and she was clairvoyant too boot so I was hoping she would see what it was because a family member thought I was crazy and had two garbage bags cut to lay out. One on the couch where I was sitting and one on the back of the couch. All the while talking I could feel sensations of crawling like they were migrating to nose , eyes and mouth. This seems to pass, thankfully. Hang in there, its not the weed, likely but you may have less symtoms without it. Your lungs will be better, that is for sure. 22122
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Post by ibzahp on Apr 24, 2011 21:20:40 GMT -5
Or get a vaporizer and only smoke when your having flare ups-thats my advice. Marijuana grown properly may have some benefits. In some states if you have a medical need you can grow your own. Happy Easter
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Post by threader on Apr 26, 2011 11:34:21 GMT -5
tx for the feedback everyone. I'm finding alot of different reports saying that the bystander itching issue was especially bad in the first months. Wonder why this is?
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Post by threader on Apr 26, 2011 21:58:25 GMT -5
ummm.... maybe I was totally going the wrong direction with this idea. I'm starting to think the weed might be a lot less toxic than my well water. Tonight I've fired 4 bowls of tooty-fruity (lotsa weed), a McDonalds meal including root beer and large latte ice-cream thing, and have no matter popping out. The difference? 24 hrs now no drinking my tap water. Whenever I smoked in the past I drank lots of my tapwater. Will post update in next few days after getting water tested. My M began during the spring thaw this year and water sometimes smells funky, so its starting to look like the water is dirtier than the drugs. Anyone ever got M from a bad well? Is that possible?
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Post by bannanny on Apr 27, 2011 11:14:57 GMT -5
Morgs isn't gonna show up in any testing threader.... it didn't back when I had my well water tested, yet I saw it in the water. That's the thing about this mess... it's so able to hide that it never shows up in anything.
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