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Post by skizit on Dec 6, 2011 16:25:28 GMT -5
Are they waxy? If so, they may be associated with mycoplasma. They have to have something to do with the processes occurring in the hair follicles.
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Post by toni on Dec 6, 2011 17:33:01 GMT -5
Not at all waxy, they're just like dry dead skin flakes.
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Post by sage on Dec 7, 2011 5:21:11 GMT -5
I think we need a lesson in Demodex. The whole idea is just totally WEIRD! Can you show a dry one? The things returning into the skin is CREEPY. Maybe they might like some Wasabi to go along with their mustard...sage
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Post by skizit on Dec 7, 2011 6:59:42 GMT -5
Does anyone have a picture of the flaky things talked about here?
To learn about Demodex, do a search for "demodex brevis or demodex folliculorum reproduction science". there are sites that describe the anatomy and reproduction cycle.
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 9:03:06 GMT -5
I think we need a lesson in Demodex. The whole idea is just totally WEIRD! Can you show a dry one? The things returning into the skin is CREEPY. Maybe they might like some Wasabi to go along with their mustard...sage Sage, is it a dry skin flake with demodex you'd like to see, or the dry demodex mite? I'll find one with both. And yes, wasabi is good, just can't spread that on the skin as easily as dry mustard mixed with a lotion or water. When I used TTO (tea tree oil) on the demodex on the slide, they keep on crawling for a good 5 min. and that's putting it directly on them at 100% strength, which we can't use that either all over us, it's actually dangerous to do that. Yet dry mustard mixed with water - very diluted, kills them on contact. The only thing is, demodex live deep in the hair follicles on the body, and unless pores are opened up from a hot shower or topical application of something, it's hard to get to them. But, they do come out every night (according to everything I've read) they come out ontop the skin nightly to mate, ugh.. then go back into the follicles to lay their eggs, - how horrid is all I can say.
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 9:10:20 GMT -5
Does anyone have a picture of the flaky things talked about here? To learn about Demodex, do a search for "demodex brevis or demodex folliculorum reproduction science". there are sites that describe the anatomy and reproduction cycle. Skizit, I'll find one.
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 10:28:32 GMT -5
I'm just posting this to give us something that is easy to see, since we know how tiny salt granules are. Things under the scope look so huge.
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 10:32:00 GMT -5
The little "flake above" is no bigger than a granule of salt. Yet...there was demodex inside it. This picture sure isn't the greatest, because I had to take a still picture out of one of the video's.
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 11:19:22 GMT -5
Lynn, I'm going to move over my posts (about mustard to this thread) so as to not implement this subject on other's threads that aren't about mustard. Look at this okay They've been using "mustard" and are really looking more into using "mustard" as a way to control "kill" nematodes. I remember a few years back, we were talking about mustard too here on the board how it killed nematodes so that's actually what recently got me using it again to get real serious about killing these demodex mites. It works extremely well on them. From article: Spreading mustard on nematodes Scientists are looking at whether mustard plants can suppress nematodes in vineyards. www.goodfruit.com/Good-Fruit-Grower/April-15th-2005/Spreading-mustard-on-nematodes/This is only one of many links regarding killing nematodes with mustard. I know Demodex aren't nematodes, but....they're both "hardy" and succumb to mustard, as well as beetles and other critters do too.
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Post by Lynn on Dec 7, 2011 12:18:29 GMT -5
Hi Toni
I saved the link about mustard and wonder if I could use it to kill the spider mite infestation going on the whole property. They are all over when the whether permits. I wonder if it just coincidence and the whole orchard I live in has it or if I am attracting them. Probably just coincidence. Thank you again for your help.
In Light Lynn
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 12:25:05 GMT -5
The mustard is probably safer than pesticides, which is why they're (the agriculturists) are seeing that now too. Here's a picture (sort of hard to tell, but the further you move back from the computer, the easier it is to see). This mite looks like he ate mustard, because something yellow is now in it's stomach. I took a picture of this demodex with a 60X magnification first with my scope, then I used the 70X zoom on my camcorder to enlarge it even moreso, which is why it's not super clear.
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Post by Lynn on Dec 7, 2011 12:41:24 GMT -5
Hi Toni
It does look like mustard in the belly. I can tell you it takes three days of vinegar twice a day in shower to kill the adults. I believe it slowly drys them out and they probably die of dehydration.
I am falling in love with the mustard thing and may now stop using all those expensive tinctures and see what the yogurt and milk does for me? I still will keep my Dr. Bronners soap Pepperment for hair and Sulfar Soap. Also the Sulfasoap by Dermtox (sp). Use the tincture less often mixed with some mustard on my clothes.
I spray my bedding every morning with rubbing alcohol and burn mythology crystals. I may try the tincture with in water with the mustard and see what results I get. The water tends to mold the windows and sheets if used to heavy on bad bug days but the rubbing alcohol seems to dry things out, but after days of not washing the sheets the fumes get to strong. Also even the rubbing alcohol if used to heavily to many days in a row will make all the wood floor smell like saturated wet wood. NOT good. I was washing sheets twice a week until I became low key with the bugs. Now I wash sheets twice a month. Which helps me because of going crippled. I try to TKO orange the room monthly which helps big time, but even too cripple to keep up with that. This past month I am at the stage that my hip looses all stability and I fall over. In that tiny shower I have fallen against the wall and even almost to the floor which is almost imposable being 24 x 24 inch pan you stand in. Last night I was turning on a table light next to a window when my hip hit dead air and I fell against the window. Almost hard enough to fall through it.
It has been a real trick learning how to kill bugs without cleaning with less work which aggravates the ell out of me.
TorpedoLynn
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Post by toni on Dec 7, 2011 12:56:49 GMT -5
Lynn, you poor girl, I'm sorry your hip gives you so much to deal with. I can imagine the wood (after it keeps getting wet even misted). Yep, wood can't take that. I know washing sheets or putting fresh sheets on the bed every day isn't even realistic, it's too much work to do, and I see why you need to spray something that's safe without ruining things. What a fisaco.
That's why maybe "a lotion mixture" on just your body will make them not want you, and then they'd die because they don't have any food. See, Demodex "eat oils and keratin" from within our pores. If your skin and pores have on some kind of mix with the mustard, then you won't have to spray everything down because nothing will want to eat what's on you and even if they try, it will kill them.
Because once 'we become un-tasty'....they'll stop, hopefully.
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Post by Lynn on Dec 7, 2011 19:15:56 GMT -5
Hi Toni
Got a couple empty little bottles. One to put my Dr. Bronners soap with the melted mustard and then the shampoo in another bottle with melted mustard. After shower I had some movement on ankles. I did not spray with vinegar. I did not use any my my tinctures. I did the Sulfa soap by Pedix. Head to toe. Rinse body off. Did not rinse off legs, hair, private parts. Than did my Peppermint soap mixture with the mustard head to toe. Rinse the body and not those certain areas. Then Got my Suave Shampoo (rosemary/mint) with the melted mustard in it and did hair. Rinsed off real well and forgot to put on my Sulfur soap. Got out of shower and got my coconut oil mixed with the melted mustard and while wet took very little to smear all over body.
While drying off under garments with hair dryer I started to get a few hard bites. I a couple times got debris from those areas other times could not find anything. I got some itchiness and some stinging skin. That is when I realized I was not waring the Sulfur soap. I went and got some of that put on and it really needed to be done before the coconut. But to night I am going to do the Dr. Bronners with mustard mixture, fallowed by the Sulfur soap. I may ware it depending if any movement in Shower. I added 3 drops of all my tincture. Oh 7 drops on some of them to my Dr. Bronners for tonight. I did that because I had movement on body. My ratio of mustard may not be right on the mix. 2 oz of Dr. Bronners with 2 Tsp. of melted mustard in a Tb. hot water. When sitting down the body is slowly going quiet. It was semi quiet body before shower and the mustard activated the creatures. teed them off and may be they are dying. I have squirmy wormies on front of privates. But that too has died down now.
The crater like lesions which are usually closed over, but get to hurting like a boil with some burning and debrie coming out of the closed area. It is hurting right now. Public follicles nearest the private feels pinch where the squirmy wormies were moving. Got brave and let some of the washing go into the vaginal area and finally for the first time in 3 day have stopped the biting and crawling that had been going off and on. Usually when I make the skin unwelcoming they go into that area for shelter as well as my eyes, inside nose, and inside the ears. Uhggg. I hate that.
Going to keep at it and hope for a better day tomorrow. Have to watch the grand kid tomorrow. I want to braid my hair, but then the straps to my breathing equipment will not set right and the pump from the braid will make my neck or head sore. Do not have enough time to do a different braid daily. I am at my limits on all things and loosing ground as I slowly deteriorate hip wise.
Being crippled was wasted on me sense I have such a high high energy level. My last set of ex-rays show 1/4 of my left pelvis is missing and my cartilage around the hip bone has spots missing. Looks like little cereal bowels left where the cartilage use to be. The head of the hip is looking bumpy to jagged. The first time I saw part of my pelvis bone missing I was scared in my boots. The what ifs jumped from A and went to Z. It took the hip Dr. some promising moments that my pelvis would not disappear all the way so I would have a shelf for a hip replacement some day. In my mind it was no pelvis no hip, no leg. Amputation time.
Thanks again for so much time and help on this. In Light Lynn
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Post by skizit on Dec 7, 2011 20:31:37 GMT -5
Toni, this picture is magnificent. Thanks for taking a look inside the demodex. These are not ordinary demodex. The military use of arthropods is to transmit a disease. The color could be the bacteria fermenting inside the demodex which is the process that occurs inside the secondary vector. This is a quote from a military publication on the military use of arthropods: "Arthropods (mites and nematodes) are of greatest importance to military operatios when they act as vectors of disease. A vector is an organism that transmits a pathogen to a susceptible host as (1) SIMPLE MECHANICAL TRANSMISSION OF PATHOGEN and (2) BIOLOGICL TRANSMISSION OF PATHOGENS WHICH MUST SPEND PART OF THEIR LIFE CYCLE IN THE BODY OF THE ARTHOPOD BEFORE HUMANS CAN BE INFECTED." Medical military entomologists have established the role arthropods play in transmission. The primary vector (the mite) transmits the pathogen and the secondary vector (the bacteria) plays a supplementary role in transmission but would be unable to maintain transmission in the absence of primary vector. I.e., the bacteria need the mite's body. In this case, the bacteria has to stay in the body of the mite fermenting. Which exact bacteria we are looking at in the demodex picture? Maybe Bacillus subtilis. What would it be useful for in transmitting disease? Which bacteria turn yellow in blood agar? Take a look at the bacteria that cause hemolysis. Not all of them are mentioned here. i didn't see chromobacteria which has been discovered in Morgellons patients. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolysis_(microbiology)"Hemolysis (Haemolysis in British English) is the breakdown of red blood cells. The ability of bacterial colonies to induce hemolysis when grown on blood agar is used to classify certain microorganisms. This is particularly useful in classifying streptococcal species. A substance that causes hemolysis is a hemolysin." "Alpha When Alpha hemolysis (á-hemolysis) is present the agar under the colonies is dark and greenish. Streptococcus pneumoniae and a group of oral streptococci (Streptococcus viridans or viridans streptococci) display alpha hemolysis. This is sometimes called green hemolysis because of the color change in the agar. Other synonymous terms are incomplete hemolysis and partial hemolysis. Alpha hemolysis is caused by hydrogen peroxide produced by the bacterium, oxidizing hemoglobin to green methemoglobin. Beta Beta hemolysis (â-hemolysis), sometimes called complete hemolysis, is a COMPLETE lysis of red cells in the media around and under the colonies: the area appears lightened (YELLOW) and transparent. Streptolysin, an exotoxin, is the enzyme produced by the bacteria which causes the complete lysis of red blood cells. There are two types of streptolysin: Streptolysin O (SLO) and streptolysin S (SLS). Streptolysin O is an oxygen-sensitive cytotoxin, secreted by most Group A streptococcus (GAS), and interacts with CHOLESTEROL in the membrane of eukaryotic cells (mainly red and white blood cells, macrophages, and platelets), and usually results in â-hemolysis under the surface of blood agar. Streptolysin S is an oxygen-stable cytotoxin also produced by most GAS strains which results in clearing on the surface of blood agar. SLS affects immune cells, including polymorphonuclear leukocytes and lymphocytes, and is thought to prevent the host immune system from clearing infection. Streptococcus pyogenes, or Group A beta-hemolytic Strep (GAS), displays beta hemolysis. Some weakly beta-hemolytic species cause intense beta hemolysis when grown together with a strain of Staphylococcus. This is called the CAMP test. Streptococcus agalactiae displays this property. Clostridium perfringens can be identified presumptively with this test." I believe this is why doctors will not reveal to Morgellons patients what they really seeing happening in blood. The blood will reveal what's going on. Blood is so complicated, the average person has no idea what all the things on a blood test indicate.
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Post by skizit on Dec 7, 2011 20:46:07 GMT -5
tONI, are we talking just the regular mustard powder you find in the grocery isle with the spices?
I think you are right about the 100% tea tree oil over large areas of the body. I believe it can affect the lungs and muscle tissue but I need to read some more on that.
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Post by sage on Dec 8, 2011 0:28:41 GMT -5
Thanks, Toni, for the photos. They seem to be almost transparent. This is the first time for me to believe that a BUG is involved with this creepiness of an affliction. Like Obam writes.." I've never seen a moving bug" Well, Now they're getting the mustard...so when they come out for their midnight hot party, they'll have a hot time! I don't take kindly being used as a perpetual brothel and a litterbox as well! sage
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Post by skizit on Dec 8, 2011 4:32:00 GMT -5
Sage, Was Obama talking about Morgellons when he said he had not seen a moving bug? Someone needs to go sit on his face cause there's mites down there too. He just needs a closer view.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 9:34:36 GMT -5
Hi Toni Got a couple empty little bottles. One to put my Dr. Bronners soap with the melted mustard and then the shampoo in another bottle with melted mustard. After shower I had some movement on ankles. I did not spray with vinegar. I did not use any my my tinctures. I did the Sulfa soap by Pedix. Head to toe. Rinse body off. Did not rinse off legs, hair, private parts. Than did my Peppermint soap mixture with the mustard head to toe. Rinse the body and not those certain areas. Then Got my Suave Shampoo (rosemary/mint) with the melted mustard in it and did hair. Rinsed off real well and forgot to put on my Sulfur soap. Got out of shower and got my coconut oil mixed with the melted mustard and while wet took very little to smear all over body. While drying off under garments with hair dryer I started to get a few hard bites. I a couple times got debris from those areas other times could not find anything. I got some itchiness and some stinging skin. That is when I realized I was not waring the Sulfur soap. I went and got some of that put on and it really needed to be done before the coconut. But to night I am going to do the Dr. Bronners with mustard mixture, fallowed by the Sulfur soap. I may ware it depending if any movement in Shower. I added 3 drops of all my tincture. Oh 7 drops on some of them to my Dr. Bronners for tonight. I did that because I had movement on body. My ratio of mustard may not be right on the mix. 2 oz of Dr. Bronners with 2 Tsp. of melted mustard in a Tb. hot water. When sitting down the body is slowly going quiet. It was semi quiet body before shower and the mustard activated the creatures. teed them off and may be they are dying. I have squirmy wormies on front of privates. But that too has died down now. The crater like lesions which are usually closed over, but get to hurting like a boil with some burning and debrie coming out of the closed area. It is hurting right now. Public follicles nearest the private feels pinch where the squirmy wormies were moving. Got brave and let some of the washing go into the vaginal area and finally for the first time in 3 day have stopped the biting and crawling that had been going off and on. Usually when I make the skin unwelcoming they go into that area for shelter as well as my eyes, inside nose, and inside the ears. Uhggg. I hate that. Going to keep at it and hope for a better day tomorrow. Have to watch the grand kid tomorrow. I want to braid my hair, but then the straps to my breathing equipment will not set right and the pump from the braid will make my neck or head sore. Do not have enough time to do a different braid daily. I am at my limits on all things and loosing ground as I slowly deteriorate hip wise. Being crippled was wasted on me sense I have such a high high energy level. My last set of ex-rays show 1/4 of my left pelvis is missing and my cartilage around the hip bone has spots missing. Looks like little cereal bowels left where the cartilage use to be. The head of the hip is looking bumpy to jagged. The first time I saw part of my pelvis bone missing I was scared in my boots. The what ifs jumped from A and went to Z. It took the hip Dr. some promising moments that my pelvis would not disappear all the way so I would have a shelf for a hip replacement some day. In my mind it was no pelvis no hip, no leg. Amputation time. Thanks again for so much time and help on this. In Light Lynn Hi Lynn, Gosh, you sure are an energetic gal, doing all those scrub downs every day, and applications of so many things. You're will sure is stronger than that hip giving you problems. I'm sure sorry you have that happening too. You know, I was thinking, if I had this "critter thing" on my (private parts) as you said you do, I really think I'd be inclinded to mix a teeny bit of the dry mustard first with a super tiny bit of water (to get it mixed up) - then I'd add that to a handful of body lotion or even a body oil, and mix that up, and slather that on "down there" too. Don't use too much mustard (or it will burn) as you know, but with consistent use, I think you'll rid those critters. I read demodex like that area too. Any where there's hair follicles, they love it. The thing too about Demodex is, they do not like the light. So any light at all on our body, daytime, or even the light in the bathroom causes them to crawl deep into the pores and hair follicles. They come out while we're sleeping in the dark, and mate on the surface of the skin, then go back into the follicles to lay their eggs. So what my thoughts are, are that while you're sleeping in the dark, when these mites come out to frolic - they'll have a mouthfull of mustard cream, and that will help over the next month to rid them. They live almost a month, coming out each night, etc...so every night for a month, is what it will take to rid them, because the eggs hatch during this time frame too, and to kill the new mites, you've got to have the "mustard cream' on to get those new hatchlings when they too emerge to the surface of the skin. I just hope this works to so you can have some great relief, and it's really safe too, as long as we don't use too much mustard in whatever we mix it with - since it has a tendency to burn if too much is used. Take care.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 9:38:36 GMT -5
Toni, this picture is magnificent. Thanks for taking a look inside the demodex. These are not ordinary demodex. The military use of arthropods is to transmit a disease. In this case it is bacteria which split open blood cells and the blood parts are used to create new toxic prion-like proteins. The color could be the bacteria fermenting inside the demodex which is the process that occurs inside the secondary vector. This is a quote from a military publication on the military use of arthropods: "Arthropods (mites and nematodes) are of greatest importance to military operatios when they act as vectors of disease. A vector is an organism that transmits a pathogen to a susceptible host as (1) SIMPLE MECHANICAL TRANSMISSION OF PATHOGEN and (2) BIOLOGICL TRANSMISSION OF PATHOGENS WHICH MUST SPEND PART OF THEIR LIFE CYCLE IN THE BODY OF THE ARTHOPOD BEFORE HUMANS CAN BE INFECTED." Medical military entomologists have estblisehd the role arthropods play in transmission. The primary vector (the mite) transmits the pathogen and the secondary vector (the bacteria) plays a supplementary role in transmission but would be unable to maintain transmission in the absence of primary vector. I.e., the bacteria need the mite's body. In this case, the bacteria has to stay in the body of the mite fermenting. Which exact bacteria we are looking at in the demodex picture would have to be one that lyses or splits open blood cells because that is the purpose of the bacteria. The parts of the blood are used to create proteins which will eventually create artificial hair, skin, nails and neural network. Which bacteria turn yellow in blood agar? Take a look at the bacteria that cause hemolysis. Not all of them are mentioned here. i didn't see chromobacteria which has been discovered in Morgellons patients. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolysis_(microbiology)"Hemolysis (Haemolysis in British English) is the breakdown of red blood cells. The ability of bacterial colonies to induce hemolysis when grown on blood agar is used to classify certain microorganisms. This is particularly useful in classifying streptococcal species. A substance that causes hemolysis is a hemolysin." "Alpha When Alpha hemolysis (á-hemolysis) is present the agar under the colonies is dark and greenish. Streptococcus pneumoniae and a group of oral streptococci (Streptococcus viridans or viridans streptococci) display alpha hemolysis. This is sometimes called green hemolysis because of the color change in the agar. Other synonymous terms are incomplete hemolysis and partial hemolysis. Alpha hemolysis is caused by hydrogen peroxide produced by the bacterium, oxidizing hemoglobin to green methemoglobin. Beta Beta hemolysis (â-hemolysis), sometimes called complete hemolysis, is a COMPLETE lysis of red cells in the media around and under the colonies: the area appears lightened (YELLOW) and transparent. Streptolysin, an exotoxin, is the enzyme produced by the bacteria which causes the complete lysis of red blood cells. There are two types of streptolysin: Streptolysin O (SLO) and streptolysin S (SLS). Streptolysin O is an oxygen-sensitive cytotoxin, secreted by most Group A streptococcus (GAS), and interacts with CHOLESTEROL in the membrane of eukaryotic cells (mainly red and white blood cells, macrophages, and platelets), and usually results in â-hemolysis under the surface of blood agar. Streptolysin S is an oxygen-stable cytotoxin also produced by most GAS strains which results in clearing on the surface of blood agar. SLS affects immune cells, including polymorphonuclear leukocytes and lymphocytes, and is thought to prevent the host immune system from clearing infection. Streptococcus pyogenes, or Group A beta-hemolytic Strep (GAS), displays beta hemolysis. Some weakly beta-hemolytic species cause intense beta hemolysis when grown together with a strain of Staphylococcus. This is called the CAMP test. Streptococcus agalactiae displays this property. Clostridium perfringens can be identified presumptively with this test." I believe this is why doctors will not reveal to Morgellons patients what they really seeing happening in blood. The blood will reveal an excess of the products of hemolysis along with many other abnormalities. Thank you Skiz, (about that picture of that full bellied mite). Interesting and good information too, thank you
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