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Post by homeworld on Dec 20, 2012 19:05:55 GMT -5
..some whiskers grow faster than others.. tinyurl.com/c8z8xvm...and a little extra oxygen can make for larger whiskers too. tinyurl.com/bt3kgkx(...it goes without saying that hydrogen peroxide does not kill the bacterial/pathogens involved in morg gel/fiber manufacturing..they seem to groooove on anything with oxygen. Feeeeeed meeeee, Seymooooore!*both lesion fluid specimens were extracted from the same lesion at the same time; loaded onto the same slide and "grown" for the same amount of time [3 hrs] ...the "whisker" specimen had nothing added.. the "large fiber" specimen grew on H2O2 treaded fluid. ** photo quality is suffering somewhat..the scope substage tungsten lamp has burned out..and the flashlight being used for top lighting is..at less than optimum battery power. ..and did we mention that the mechanical stage has been broken for many months?...well..it is..and that is suckage of a high order.. ...nevermind..Muppet Labs presses on. .."Beaker!...more coffee!!"
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 20, 2012 19:45:37 GMT -5
can you prove this what you say, that oxygen does grow the material, or are you repeating the flawed without parameter situation with a petri dish and hydrogen peroxide.
the Voice did say something relative answers are real hard to come by, especially ones where equipment we can not afford would be needed like a vacuum, a vacuum chamber. Yeah baby.
I have used hydrogen peroxide thousands of times the lesion NEVER showed an increase in matter, the peroxide seemed always to destroy the lesion matter.
While I do not actually know what hydrogen Peroxide does to the issue, do application after application actually spur on growth that is too fast for it to actually propagate and burn out the cells, exactly like in a fire, acetylene oxygen torch kind of item, burns too hot, does the pain from the 35% hydrogen peroxide bring on immune response, I just do not know.
I do know one thing, it works against the lesion material.
As far as morgellons actually, what is morgellons, is it the fibers, if it is, you would have to have a time relapsed camera to time that baby, because the fibers form quite quickly.
I THINK TO SAY, SO CALLED MORGELLONS, GROW QUICKER WE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE PATHOGEN, OR WOULD WE JUST POINT AT ONE ASPECT OF THE DISEASE AND SAY, THAT GROWS QUICKER?? THAT MATERIAL IS SO CALLED MORGELLONS!
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Post by homeworld on Dec 20, 2012 20:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by homeworld on Dec 20, 2012 20:52:05 GMT -5
oxygen also fuels hexagonal crystal growth. tinyurl.com/7wbryu8...here a "hexagonal pyramid" grows to a large size atop an equally over grown "flat" hexagon. ...the "hex pyramids" are typically found in untreated urine to be about the size of the "pyramid" "A". ** another example of what results when adding h2O2 to urine.. in this case..a lot of very large pyramidal hexagons. tinyurl.com/6pmbbr6**the faint mostly circular shadows under the pyramids are the bacterial colonies that are producing the gel that is the building material of the hexagons. While usually a simple sphere..the gels produced after the addition of the 12% hydrogen peroxide tend to make large "3d" crystal shapes.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 20, 2012 20:55:26 GMT -5
Homeworld. I do appreciate all of your pictures, the different things your trying may resolve or uncover something we do not know about this invader. Who says we have to man the best machinery on the planet to find more out about this disease. Some would just say give up, LOL, not while I am alive, although certainly I have slowed down. You never know, what will uncover this stealthy WHATEVER it is. Homeworld, this could be just a chemical reaction of the uric acid and hydrogen peroxide. There are charts with pictures that pertain to urine crystals and the cause. Oxygen grows alot of stuff even humans, but where is the proof that the Morgellons which we do not even know what it is REALLY, where is the proof that something we do not know what it is grows faster or slower?? What exactly was anyone growing to call it morgellons? Anyway, here is a nice site I just found when looking for pictures of what you call whiskers, microbiology.mtsinai.on.ca/mig/index.shtml
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Post by homeworld on Dec 21, 2012 12:49:34 GMT -5
Homeworld, this could be just a chemical reaction of the uric acid and hydrogen peroxide. There are charts with pictures that pertain to urine crystals and the cause.
[/size] ...and there are BOOKS on my shelves involving urinalysis. There are no depictions or descriptions of hexagonal pyramidal crystals being found in human urine . ..why bring uric acid into the equation? uric acid crystals form needle shapes. or rhombics... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluorescent_uric_acid.JPG^^^https server..cut and paste into URL address window...the link works.. ...I have been observing hex-pyramid crystals in unaltered urine for some time now. No oxidizer such as H2O2 is necessary for their formation. tinyurl.com/d4738yv Adding oxidizers does make the pyramid-hex and hex crystals much larger...but it is not needed to make them. tinyurl.com/76bg8bh
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Post by homeworld on Dec 21, 2012 13:18:54 GMT -5
Homeworld, this could be just a chemical reaction of the uric acid and hydrogen peroxide. There are charts with pictures that pertain to urine crystals and the cause.
[/size] ...and there are BOOKS on my shelves involving urinalysis. There are no depictions or descriptions of hexagonal pyramidal crystals being found in human urine . ..why bring uric acid into the equation? uric acid crystals form needle shapes...or rhombics...sometimes rosettes... and at any rate is formed in acidic urine. It is my part time job these days to maintain the urine well out of the acidic zone at all times. Whatever chemistry is being demonstrated.. it is occuring in alkaline to very alkaline conditions. [..as of late, the urine has been staying disturbingly high.. having the pH "stuck" at or near "9" is no better "mojo" than locking down at 5...] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluorescent_uric_acid.JPG^^^https server..cut and paste into URL address window...the link works.. ...I have been observing hex-pyramid crystals in unaltered urine for some time now. No oxidizer such as H2O2 is necessary for their formation. tinyurl.com/d4738yv Adding oxidizers does make the pyramid-hex and hex crystals much larger...but it is not needed to make them. tinyurl.com/76bg8bh [/quote]
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 21, 2012 14:22:50 GMT -5
Our disease is the same, our issues may be a little off but for the most part what we see is quite similar. There are many kinds of uric acid crystals some are the yellow pyramids, calcium oxalate crystals. Others take the shape of a flat octagon, Cystine Crystals, these are what I think most people identify as nano tec crystals. This site talks about the different types of urine crystals and shows pictures of these types. Now this is a animal site but crystals are crystals formed by chemicals and conditions. Seems like animals have more taking care of then we do, yes sir, animals are more important. ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/clinpath/modules/ua-rout/crystsed.htmalsubs.blogspot.com/2007/07/urinary-crystals-pictures-and-brief.html
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Post by homeworld on Dec 22, 2012 13:05:53 GMT -5
There are many kinds of uric acid crystals some are the yellow pyramids, calcium oxalate crystals.
Others take the shape of a flat octagon, Cystine Crystals, these are what I think most people identify as nano tec crystals.
[/size] Only uric acid crystals are uric acid crystals. Uric acid crystals are NOT calcium oxalate crystals. Uric acid crystals are NOT cystine crystals. Uric acid crystals are not triple phosphate, calcium carbonate, calcium carbonate..or any other type of crystal. Only uric acid crystals are ...uric acid crystals. The crystal formed may be of various geometries..but they are all..uric acid crystals. There are many types of crystals that can form in urine. however urine is not "uric acid". Uric acid is formed by the breakdown of proteins.[release of purines] Uric acid is normally found in small amounts in the urine. [250-750 mg per 24 hours of sample] is normal. Any uric acid crystals must be formed out of the tiny amount that is normally available in the urine. Oxalate crystals are often found in urine after the ingestion of oxylate rich foods..or large quantities of vitamin C. [oxalate is a breakdown product of ascorbic acid] The chemistry required to form uric acid crystals, calcium oxylate crystals, cystine crystals, and all the other members of the urine crystal zoo are entirely different. Lumping them all together as being variations of "uric acid crystals" is simply not true. There is more than enough confusion in regard to the M pathology without people making up their own branch of "medical science".
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 22, 2012 14:08:24 GMT -5
WELL LET ME REPHRASE THAT, INSTEAD OF URIC ACID CRYSTALS I WILL SAY URINE CRYSTALS/size]
SO MANY TINY THINGS BOTHER YOU, FIRST MY FRENCH THEN MY LACK OF CORRECT TERMINOLOGY, lol,
I am always learning and guess what, your my daddy homeworld, your helping me learn, thank you!! your the best!!
SO LETS GET BACK TO YOUR ASSUMTION THEN, THAT YOUR HEXAGONAL PYRAMIDAL CRYSTALS, ARE WHAT, LOOK LIKE OXALATE CRYSTALS TO ME, HAVE THEY BEEN ANALIZED YET, DO WE KNOW THE MATERIAL THAT THEY ARE MADE OF???
IS THIS A GUESS THAT WOULD HAVE THE FANTASY OF MORGELLONS GROWING OR OF BEING CURRUPTED EVEN MORE, WHAT IS THE REVELENCE OF SUCH A BREATROUGH OF NOTHING.
IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, THE CRYSTALS ARE NOT NEW TO THE CHEMISTRY OF URINE.
AS YOU HAVE SAID , There is more than enough confusion in regard to the M pathology without people making up their own branch of "medical science".
VERY NICE!!!
YOU SEE MY EVERY POST COMES WITH A THANK YOU!! WHO LOVES YA?
EGBDF
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 23, 2012 13:46:19 GMT -5
One thing I want to mention that just smashed me in the face.
I have, one of just another many feces slides on the microscope.
I look at it and wonder, should I just throw that slide away, why not I said to myself, the excrement never produces anything after it comes out. BINGO
To say, I can not remember the excrement, while full of matter fibers and moisture, I still do not remember if the feces grew, propagated, the fiber material.
Which means either I discounted growth of fibers in the excrement, its life cycle has come to a end or is dormant until entering another animal, bug, water or whatever.
The entity is waiting for its next stimulus to start up again?
Just a idea I thought I would pass it on, maybe it will stir the gray matter in others, maybe our banter will be seen and be studied by some other with a greater knowledge of biology.
It is not lack of fluid that keeps it from growing. Maybe the catylist is as simple as drying and then being rehydrated or cooling and then being warmed.
That could easily be done and maybe I will get some of my slide out that are years and years old and rehydrate them to see if it can restary fiber development.
I just might do that.
Any ideas, with some deeper thinking than a flash in the pan?
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Post by homeworld on Dec 23, 2012 17:14:03 GMT -5
..every tiny break in the skin becomes another potential disaster. tinyurl.com/ces5nvz...every break in the skin, whether from an overly nervous cat..or merely shaving..tends to become yet another goo filled lesion that does not want to heal. ...the goo making bacteria never seem to miss. Even the most attentive "wound cleaning drills" do not seem to prevent the gels from building up in the break and trying to make a "bomb crater" of melted skin and goo. I suspect that the morg bacteria..while no doubt present on the skin in huge numbers..are not necessarily responsible for all the mayhem. ..for EVERY tiny scratch to result in a "plasti-coated" lesion suggests that the bacteria responsible are sourced in the blood. I can find the shiny translucent "morg particles" in the blood every time I take blood samples. Those gel particles grow from bacterial colonies...a phenomena that I have observed thousands of times..and photographed nearly as often. The blood is no doubt flooded with these bacteria. The fact that the immune system ignores them strongly suggests that they are : (1) being recognized as "friendly/self" bacteria.. or (2) the immune system is being totally jammed/blinded. ..condition (2 ) does not seem likely, since the product of the bacteria..the gels and fibers ARE attacked by the leucocytes./ "white army"...I have many photos of gels and fibers in the blood utterly swarmed over with blood cells..going back to 2009. ..Only the bacteria and their colonies seem to be totally ignored. ... ...it may be that the bacteria are in fact..."normal gut flora" whose internal machinery has been hijacked in such a way as to enable them to make the morg gels that melt skin and make fibers. If the surface proteins were left intact..there would be no reason for the immune system to attack them. And considering the hundreds of millions of particles made by these bacteria that I am finding in the urine output every day.. it is just as well that the bacteria do NOT set off the immune defenses. Billions of bacteria tripping the "OMG! Invasion!" alarm..and the resulting inflammation..would most likely have a very bad ending for the host. The tricky part of putting an end to this lesion nightmare would seem to involve destroying the bacteria responsible for the manufacture of the gel/polysaccharide/cellulose fibers. [..the cellulose fibers are only ONE of many sinister products being observed..but they do seem to be the most numerous..and one must start somewhere...] ?? how to destroy "hijacked" but otherwise "normal" gut bacteria without killing ALL the friendly gut bacteria? Externally, they all appear to be the same..all presenting the same "IFF" [identification, friend or foe" ] signals. Killing all the bacteria in the gut...would at the very least be yielding the terrain to the yeasts and fungi. Fungi without having to compete with the resident bacteria..would result in explosive overproduction of fungi. [that is not an option]. ... ...have to get back to you on this puzzlement..it could take awhile...
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 23, 2012 18:05:16 GMT -5
This seems to be quite laterally a fantastic assumption seeing that the lesions often appear in unison over a period of a DAY on many people.
It does not seem your taking into consideration any of what other individuals say about the appearance of the lesions all at once and in the same exact spots on both sides of the body.
If what your saying was true these people all must share a patterned cover, put the same cover over them and dig tiny holes in their skin all at once.
Do not try to suggest I am the only member with systemic placements of lesion spots this is a well know fact.
Maybe you don't read what others say?
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Post by homeworld on Dec 23, 2012 18:20:18 GMT -5
...pics of a fiber..and gel in the blood.. demonstrating that a strong immune response is taking place between the white blood cells and the morg materials. tinyurl.com/cnxhmwptinyurl.com/7m9y9dn^^ note the abundant bacteria in the blood sample.. the tiny "dots".. tinyurl.com/ahuo5dq...again, plenty of bacteria in the sample.. they appear to have a definite attraction to the red blood cells. In this pic you can see bacteria sticking to the RBC's. ??what is being "eaten" by the bacteria?..the hemoglobin?.. is this the point at which iron is stolen from the RBC's heme molecule and used for the morg bacteria's purposes? **note that despite the fact that the bacteria are attaching to the RBC's..there is NO response from the leukocytes... the bacteria is being utterly ignored by the immune system.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 23, 2012 18:59:34 GMT -5
This is just a question! if you look at my enclosed video you can see the difference in the white and red cells. In thatvideo you will not see any reaction from the black fiber, tube formation UNLESS it hits the red spots, then the red cells are turned black. I would like to ask you a question on the previous photo's your pictures are not very clear between RBC's and WBC's. I do not see how you tell the difference they all look the same, although, what your saying about the red blood cells being mis shappen in my case was very true. My red blood cells were all odd shaped, damaged, the woman that did the dark field scoping said it looked like I have had malaria, maybe. I was in the field quite a bit in Korea to stay away from post idiots, post idiots would be Officers, they liked a soft bed more than being a pain, I liked a hard bed, mud rain and cold more than I enjoyed their undue application of mental anguish. Also when they were not around we got to drive around the countryside in our M-60 A1 main battle tanks sort of like a Sunday ride in the family sedan back in the world. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSPqdR_ljk8
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Post by homeworld on Dec 23, 2012 19:13:05 GMT -5
..all the fiber activity observed on the skin is but the tip of the iceberg in regard to morg fiber building . So much more morg fiber construction is going on in the gut...than will ever be seen on the skin. ...but so few ever look. ...and to them, morgs is nothing more than a "baffling skin condition". ........... tinyurl.com/d44pt4k^^ an enema may not reach very far into the colon..but often.. it reaches far enough to unveil dark mysteries.. [/wisdom from Winnie the Poo]
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Post by scabdraggr on Dec 23, 2012 19:22:56 GMT -5
Homeworld, Isn't it possible for Iron Reducing Bacteria to be attacking the RBC's? Your post about whether or not the problem is on top of the skin or whether it's in the blood was quite interesting as this has been a question for me also. If a tiny scratch hits my hands or forearms then it's hell to heal as the spot tries to go to a lesion like appearance. However, after using the Tinactin cream on the skin, this issue went away. The tolnaftate 1%, certainly was a major helper for my skin issues. Recently I started mixing the toothpaste with the Tinactin cream for the any skin eruptions that were trying to take hold. For now, things are very calm with no new skin issues. The scalp issue also was resolved with the Tinactin powder spray being used daily and many friends that I suggested it to have also reported back with positive results.
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Post by homeworld on Dec 23, 2012 20:19:43 GMT -5
Homeworld, Isn't it possible for Iron Reducing Bacteria to be attacking the RBC's?
..considering the claims made by C. Carnicom and others that the morg fibers are "magnetic"...[whatever they mean by that..] it might be that the bacteria are grabbing the iron in the heme of the hemoglobin of the red blood cells.
...once the bacterial colony is established..and enough of the individual bacterias in the colony have found iron.. the fibers that they produce may very well have microscopic iron particles in them.
...if so..they might exibit "magnetic" properties if placed in the magnetic field of a powerful magnet.
..as soon as I have a few "lab" dollars available..I will be snagging some neodymium magnets..to see what effect..if any they have on morg fibers.
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Post by scabdraggr on Dec 24, 2012 9:51:55 GMT -5
I think that the segmented, black fibers are iron ferrite on the outside. Magnetic? Yes, if ferrous metals are present, which might possibly explain some of the crystalline structures that we see in our samples, especially in the blood where the red blood cells appear to have a swiss cheese appearance, due to holes appearing within the RBC's.
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Post by Lynn on Dec 24, 2012 10:14:42 GMT -5
Homeworld
Would the iron and the magnetic properties also be a contributing factor for the static electricity that seems to come along with this also?? I can go through periods of being super zapped by anything I touch no matter what the flooring is or where I am indoors or outdoors.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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