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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 8, 2005 9:41:10 GMT -5
If you have $5.00 burnin' a hole in pocket.. you might want to get to Walgreens and get their brand of Miconazole7 vaginal Antifungal Cream found with the feminine products. (Reg. price is $8.00) You put it on thinly, rub it in well, it goes a long way.
Wally alternated using this (at night) with I think it was Neutrogena's brand of makeup that contain sulfur in the day.
Soon his lesions cleared and he vamoosed the board and back to real life.
I had some of this cream so I used a little and noticed it seemed to be SHRINKING the size of the lesions. (I have not had luck with sulfur products so I am just using this for now.)
I am noticing it helps to remove those gripping little white fibers that seem to cover the lesions (I think it is a protection to the varmint beneath the covering). These little fibers can just spread around over a large surface area and make the skin feel very hard. These fibers seem to cover where there are cutaneous tracks (long raised bumps that are deep within the skin and painful) as well. If I feel this stuff on my skin, I pinch it, and pull up, it feels a bit like it is tearing. I have looked at it under the microscope and it is little bitty clear or white fibers.
I have some very hard lesions, that feel like callous or worse. This softens and allows this crud to be removed and lets the products get in deeper. It seems to break up this substance, like a wart that has been treated. Some of those long pointy things that burrow straight down into the skin and are hard to remove come out much easier - after using this stuff for a day or so. I have those pointy things in my back and in my heels, so I rub a lot into these areas
Some may say it is fungus, after all it is an antifungal! Maybe so. I however think it is because it is a nitrate. Liquid nitrogen is one product a doctor may use to help kill the stubborn larva that continue to migrate even after tasting poisons such as ivermectin.
Whatever the case, If you have lesions or nodules, I think you will feel this was a few dollars well spent.
I also have used the "NOT NICE TO LICE" shampoo from natural ginesis to help remove this substance, but it has worked much better when coupled with this cream.
I do think internally we need treatment so more things do not continuously get chucked in the skin from the internal varmints, and lyme disease still needs what it does to eliminate reoccurance of the skin problems, but this may provide some short range relief, and may just be killing a few adult varmints that could be reproducing at the skin level.
Spec
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Post by me Itchingntexas on Jul 8, 2005 11:27:07 GMT -5
Thanks, Spec. I will definitely try this on all of us. I'm the one (if you saw the post) who found the thrip (insect) with a fiber 'wyrm'coming out of it. So all this is just getting more and more bizarre for me. I do hope this helps us as it did you. Happy you have found some relief! PS: I think you are correct about the Nitrate...
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Post by me Itchingntexas on Jul 8, 2005 11:28:26 GMT -5
Oh, hey... And does anyone know if there's a product like this which can be taken orally??? (With these ingredients.)
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Post by Hope on Jul 8, 2005 15:11:10 GMT -5
Thanks Spec,
I have one of those hard skinned lesions on my hand right now and will try this out.
I've tried Lamisil tablets in the past and broke out something awful. At the time I did not know what this was and was treating toenail fungus. I attributed this out break to the meds at the time but in looking back, it was probably a herx.
My derm couldn’t understand it at all and told me that, “people usually do not have this type of reaction to this treatment and if they do, it is usually after months of taking this drug.” I took it for three weeks and if I would have been allergic, then it would have taken way less than three weeks to figure that out. My toenail is 95% better even today.
Yes my dears, I do believe we have a strange cocktail of funk all mixed together.
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Post by wally on Jul 8, 2005 17:16:08 GMT -5
This is wally and I have not quite vamoosed yet, although I am about 99% curred. The lesions on my face are all gone and all I have left is a small patch on my lower leg about the size of a postage stamp. I am glad to hear that someone else has had success with the Miconazole. I was beginning to think I had an entirely different disease than everyone else. I am still on the same regimen of Neutragena skin clearing makeup during the day and Miconazole at night and have been making steady progress for the past 14 months. I am sure that part or all of the problem is fungus related which the miconazole addresses. I think it is important to use the Neutragena makeup as an anti-bacterial agent and here is why. When the fungus breaks the skin open and causes these nasty oozing lesions bacteria of any kind can enter the skin and cause any number of problems. This may be one of the problems in identifying and curing this disease, we all may have something a little different that has settled in with the original disease. The only ingredient listed on the Neutragena is salicylic acid which is the ingredient in aspirin. I don't know if there is sulfur in there or not, but I would encourage everyone to use it, especially on skin that is exposed to public view. It does a pretty good job of masking the problem. You may wonder why a guy would want to use makeup, but that is how desperate I was to try and deal with this stuff. I needed something to hide the sores on my face so I didn't have to go out in public with bandages on my face. I was getting tired of looking like the village leper. And yes I am male, but at this point I don't care what anyone thinks about me wearing makeup. If it didn't help cure this stuff, I wouldn't wear it, but it does! I will continue to use this same regimen indefinitely. I am so afraid of this stuff coming back if I don't continue. You all hang in there, and we will all be better one of these days. I still have more good stuff about hipaa laws to disseminate. Forge on........Wally
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 8, 2005 17:49:30 GMT -5
Hi Wally!
I am glad to hear from you! Gosh, lots of men use makeup in this way in our very visual society!
At first, since I had used Tolnafate, I think is how it is spelled, which dried the lesions out, I was relieved. But not the lumps.. it did nothing for the deep down lumps and later.. strangely while I was taking Sporanox, which is an antifungal for Sporothrix, I broke out with about 150 purple-red bumps, flat on top, nearly impossible to open, endured those for months until atlast they decided to rupture.
This type of nodule is considered a vascular condition, according to a chart I will post here, and on it's own link. This flow chart can help you figure out what you have based on the appearance of the lump or lesion.
I know mine is vascular, because there are times when I see large blood flukes, I just call them monsters, exit the lesion. At first I thought these were just clots. Not after I put them in alcohol. uggh! They are about an inch long or so usually. Anyway, I am sure that the lesions will return if I do not do something else as well to get rid of them.
I turned to Praziquantel. I took a very high dose for 3 days straight. Enough to kill the Sparganum Mansoni, which is a hell of a critter. {Persons who think they feel the thing move inside, I think this is your bug.} It takes 9 times what it takes to kill the little schistosomas. So I figure those are killed 9 times over by the dose I took. Now I will have to see.
Because I have seen these flukes (I will post pics soon to the photos page), I think others have them and will need Praziquantel or other herbal/homeopathic remedy to kill it. I got mine from Thailand. It stinks! It makes me sleep. But in 3 days it is over. I look sort of pale now, so I think it is still in my system. I will follow along taking WRM CLEAR ..a homeopathic which kills "Hook, Round and Tapes" (this includes of course your nematodes). It is for dogs and cats, even horses.
Also my Spilanthes Usnea Cleanse, which by the way will help with fungals internally.
There is my son at the door! I will talk more later.
Glad to hear from you Wally and thanks for posting this, I had no idea it could break this stuff up! Just what I needed!
Spec
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Post by wally on Jul 8, 2005 19:25:26 GMT -5
this is a p.s. to my previous entry: I never really touted my regimen as a cure, only a treatment. That was SpecueLatins words not mine. Seeing as how we really don't know exactly what this is I really can't say that this is a total cure, but it certainly is a help in dealing with these skin lesions that the medical community has no answer for.
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 9, 2005 3:05:58 GMT -5
That's right! He never said "cure"!
You are too humble Wally, maybe you hit something big!
This stuff grows these little flanges. Betcha warts do too.
You mentioned salylitic (okay.. it is totally spelled wrong) acid is the magic ingredient in your daytime stuff. Well, I remember using that stuff in some products years ago. Also in a bar soap that had sulfur too, (that's where I got the two combined, didn't mean to misquote your treatment).
Looked it up for the heck of it on google and what did I learn?
Dr. Scholl's PLANTAR WART treatment discs, 24 to a box, contain sali.. salyc.. well you know what I am trying to spell...
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Post by Jeff on Jul 10, 2005 12:36:47 GMT -5
Besides the fibers, does the Miconazole help with those danged black dots that never seem go away? Or does it just help with the white fiberous stuff?
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 10, 2005 16:50:15 GMT -5
Hello Jeff, Hello anybody? Has anybody tried this on the black dots? I have only seen a row of black dots along the edge of the sole of my foot. What it did was soften the area, the dots, and allow me to simply pluck them out with my fingers and nails. So far, it's only been a short while, they haven't returned. Have you read Wart thread? I am thinking this part is a virus. Last night I went on line and looked for more info. Decided to order some Tetrasel. or is it Tetrasil? anyway, it isn't in stores. If anyone else thinks they might like to try it, it is Silver and Oxygen delivered by a "shock" probably like static, under the skin surface and kills the virus. When I filled in the blanks for the order, they gave me a list of some 30 diseases that I might be getting this for to pick from, I just said OTHER. If you think you want to order, you get two discounts right now. $24.00 for a 14 oz tube, but I got 3 for $43.00 including shipping. Summer special, buy two get third free. $48.00 Add shipping........................................... 5.00 subtotal 53.00 LESS the new customer discount -10.00 $43.00 To get the discount, type, MYDEAL in the affliate box on the "place order" page. PS> if you want to buy just one tube, it might be like this: one tube: $24.00 Free ship: -0- maybe A $10.00 discount for MYDEAL?? $14.00 www.tetrasil.comViruses are sneaky and come back to haunt if not irradicated. Who knows if we can irradicate, but this may be a way to get the heck rid of the lesions when they occur. Maybe the virus feeds on the bacterias the Lyme etc. supply. When reading about Warts I was amazed by the variety and the way the fact patterns line up with the symptoms and also the suspicions of transmission that we have. hmm. mold, could this virus hang out where there is mold and then get us worse when it has the chance to proliferate? Like some were saying their symptoms worse in rainy dank conditions?? SO ABout THose BLack Dots? ANybody have them? Anybody tried the miconazole nitrate 2% cream? spec
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Post by Jus me on Jul 11, 2005 9:39:31 GMT -5
I am having some success with it and an animal shampoo called Malaseb. Same ingredient and an antibacterial. I use it as bodywash and shampoo and it is working so far.
Think I ordered it from petsmart.com. It hardly has a smell which is soft and it is very very gentle.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 11, 2005 18:39:52 GMT -5
This is what puzzles me. It seems like I have 1/2 of this disease. I get these lesions, but lots of tiny black dots, which initially strike me as a mite larva (before this whole thing started I found what looked like spider mites on my arm - now I'm thinking the mites were vectors), but under a microscope look like bundles of fibers (but the fibers are far too small to be from clothing, furniture, or lint (I've compared them on slides). The black dots are sometimes almost two, rather than three, dimensional, in that if you look at them sideways you could miss them. I guess I should call them flakes instead of dots. I sometimes get much bigger fibrous growths on my skin, usually near but not exactly the same place as the dots, that can grow very big and come off like tons of the dots. They look like lines in the skin until I can get them out. Anyway, the dots seem free from the skin, and then embed themselves, eventually causing the lesions.
That's the best description I can come up with. The larger fibrous areas seem to come off pretty well over time if I use a luffa (I know - not spelled correctly) and rub them everyday for a couple weeks.
I guess the point of all this is that the black dots don't seem viral.
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 12, 2005 3:35:42 GMT -5
Thanks to Jus me and Jeff for your inputs. Jus me - I didn't know what other products might contain the miconazole nitrate, so there is one more some may try! I love the affordable products, especially when it comes to the experimental stage that we are all in! Jeff - I hope some more people may post their experiences about the black dots.. I really don't see them, or else i am blind, but it sounds like you would not miss them. I also have not had fibers that come out through the skin in strands. I understand that is very often black as well. Black makes me think of mold/fungus. I just don't know. The toughness of this substance, that a strand could come through the skin and not shatter to pieces, makes me think it can't be fungus. But then mushrooms are a bit tough aren't they? Warts are generated from virus, are tough. (And I am going to post a little more about the reason for using the salicylic acid in the very next post in this regard, I think I finally spelled it right!) About the dots, dots which are apparently specks left behind when a wart is "removed" are the tops (like tiny little scabs, I assume) of little blood vessels that the wart has been using for a blood supply. Within the specimens, it often appears that there are these little blood vessels, but not a whole lot of identifiable "organs". There are atleast 60 different kinds of warts. Atleast several different types of formations. Just like our menageries. I started to really think about this association when the way in which the miconazole nitrate 2% cream seemed to be breaking up these things, resembled some wart I had seen break up before on someone, don't remember who, I have not had warts other than this possibility that I know of. Then a lot of possible correlations emerged between the ideas some have as to the origin of Morgellons, and also correlations to the symptoms. There is some information, hopefully it will be reposted, (some older entries were accidently lost recently ), regarding the stealth viruses. This is still a stinkin' witches brew of stuff! Spec ps I am reasonably sure there was, atleast for me, some incredibly small bug, like a scabies mite that caused miserable deep-down itching, felt as if it were under the skin. That is mostly gone, but it left after the enzymes baths, I believe that and the "NOT NICE TO LICE" enzyme shampoo from naturalginesis.com that I also used directly on my skin. I think it is a relative of scabies because when I would use the enzyme bath, afterward, I would sometimes see the row of little blood dots, looked like a tiny pin had barely scratched the surface, these would sometimes appear in several parallel rows, almost like a scrape. The "scrape" I have read is more indicative of scabies then of lice.
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 12, 2005 4:19:19 GMT -5
Here are some excerpts from Prescription for Nutritional Healing, Third Edition, by Phyllis A. Balch CNC, and James Balch, M.D. THE COMMON WART: They can occur on the larnyx (the voice box) and cause hoarseness. Common warts maybe flat or raised, dry or moist, and have a rough and pitted surface that is either the same color as or slightly darker than the surrounding skin. THEY CAN BE AS SMALL AS A PINHEAD , or as large as a sall bean. Highly contagious, the virus that causes common warts is acquired through breaks in the skin. Common warts can spread if they are picked, trimmed, bitten, or touched. Warts on the face can spread as a result of shaving. Common warts typically do not cause pain or itching. About SALICYLIC ACID: Common warts can be treated with a mild acid solution such as salicylic acid. It is thought that the acid weakens the walls of the wart enough to allow some of the virus to enter the bloodstream, causing the production of the antibodies that eventually attack and destroy the warts. Removal does not allow the body to build up immunity to the virus. They mention fulguration (using electric tissue to destroy wart tissue)... somehow the Tetrasil causes a mild electric shock that carries down to the virus deep in the skin and destroys it. Concerning NITRATE: they mention of course the use of liquid nitrogen to freeze and remove the wart. Jeff: hmmm. common warts can be only as big as a pinhead and darker than the surrounding skin.. hmmm? Other info from this resource on Warts I think I will add to the Wart thread that is in play. Spec
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Post by Chemist G on Jul 12, 2005 13:05:15 GMT -5
Besides the fibers, does the Miconazole help with those danged black dots that never seem go away? Or does it just help with the white fiberous stuff? Jeff, I believe you have what most of us have here and not what Speculatin has (scabies) or Wally (folliculitis) IMHO. The miconazole does zero for our condition but I have found diatomaceous earth rubbed on the skin and lesions to be VERY effective. My black "specks" and crawlers go away when I do that. Be Well, Chemist G
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Post by Jeff on Jul 12, 2005 17:59:45 GMT -5
Chemist,
I wonder if these things' CNS is close enough in nature to that of mites that long term ivermectin might help?
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Post by Chemist G on Jul 12, 2005 20:38:29 GMT -5
Well there was a thread on moxidectin (has a much longer half life than stromectol (Ivermectin)) and the poster said it worked but they were getting sick and then we never heard back from them... If that doesn't make you concerned, well you should be. The avermectin class of drugs is a poison, plain and simple. And this is coming from a chemist, not some holosistic anti-drug environmentalist. The avermectin class of drugs flat out SCARE me! Apparently doramectin has very good efficacy and is safer than moxidectin but I would not recommend it unless it's a very last resort. I'd go with Schwartz's regimine first, if that fails then resort to rocephin, then lastly doramectin. That's just how I see it right now. I do think this is treatable, we just need to educate these **mn close-mided doctors!
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Post by Jeff on Jul 12, 2005 20:53:30 GMT -5
How long should a person stay on Schwartz's protocol? Seems like pretty high dosages of two antibiotics simultaneously.
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Post by Chemist G on Jul 12, 2005 21:03:14 GMT -5
It is. I heard 10 days. Then you'll need to take some acidophilus pills/supplementation to regenerate intestinal flora because they are gonna get wrecked on that deal!
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Post by Jeff on Jul 12, 2005 21:14:42 GMT -5
Ahhh, well -- I've been on chemo - How much worse can 10 days of this be? First, I need to convince myself that it has a change of working. I just don't understand what it would do for the black specks part. That's why I brought up the invermectin.
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