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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 2:34:44 GMT -5
Post by Chemist G on Jul 17, 2005 2:34:44 GMT -5
GREAT, now I have a hundred more options to sort thu Ant! GREAT site! Thanks for that one. May have to make some of my own concoctions soon - they have it ALL! G
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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 2:52:59 GMT -5
Post by itchingntexas on Jul 17, 2005 2:52:59 GMT -5
Hyland's brand natural products sells quinine tablets otc for leg cramps. Can even get at Wal-Mart...
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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 2:58:49 GMT -5
Post by itchingntexas on Jul 17, 2005 2:58:49 GMT -5
My family and I are doing a parasite cleanse, oral silver biotics (antibiotic, antifungal, etc., etc.), glyconutrients, plant enzymes, and garlic, also one wk. on and one week off with a gram of C, with echinacea....and of course a multivitamin. Still bathing in all the crazy stuff we ave been. We are much, much better, albeit not completely healed.
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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 3:19:49 GMT -5
Post by bugged1 on Jul 17, 2005 3:19:49 GMT -5
EXCELLENT Itching!
One thing - get OFF the multi - these things use vitamin D and folic acid so don't FEED them!
KNOCK EM OUT!
Chemist G
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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 9:18:28 GMT -5
Post by Dr Jekyl on Jul 17, 2005 9:18:28 GMT -5
The quinine had me so bad I didnt take it today. Gonna take a lil break. I didnt know I could still herx this bad. It was so bad Ima have to convince myself to start again. Chemist would you mind enlightening me.... us on why you think the quinine will work? Well if you're herxing then it's working! quinine should definitely help with microbes attacking the red blood cells (it's an anti-malarial) and that should be a benefit to any morgs sufferers with babeseoisis causing lethargy. Beware of using too much tho - the herx is caused by the bacteria die-off and subsequent release of their toxins into your system. Too large of a herx can KILL you! So keep the level tolerable and pulse as you're doing if you need to! Be well!!! Chemist G I was doing one 400 milagrams pill a day. And thank you Im going to pulse it. As I can only tolerate it that way. You are a very welcome addition to this board.
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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 9:58:34 GMT -5
Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 17, 2005 9:58:34 GMT -5
Hello Chemist,
Curious about your statement above..
How do you know you are feeding It when you use folic acid and Vitamin D??
spec
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Quinine
Jul 17, 2005 11:59:23 GMT -5
Post by Chemist G on Jul 17, 2005 11:59:23 GMT -5
Bacteria need it to survive but they can't make it on their own. Sulfa drugs block folic acid uptake and we know they work against this so... and the Marshall Protocol is very specific about avoiding sunlight, fish, and other sources of Vitamin D and has been very successful against Lyme.
Chemist G
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 2:17:57 GMT -5
Post by Orion*** on Jul 18, 2005 2:17:57 GMT -5
All: I might as well give you another bullet to use, Its called "una de gato" or"uncaria tomentosa" aka: Cats Claw---do a google on it--- When ever I do cats claw and or quinine I herx like the dickens--As a matter of fact I can't do it two days in a row..From the toxic response that I'm getting it sure must be knocking the hell out of something. Do I feel better afterwards? YES. It is good to know that the toxic response is from the die off and not the herbs.
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 2:37:34 GMT -5
Post by bugged1 on Jul 18, 2005 2:37:34 GMT -5
>>It is good to know that the toxic response is from the die off and not the herbs.<<
You HOPE! LOL!
Wouldn't it be great if we all lived fairly close? I'd have you all over to my place for a big HERX-O-RAMA where it would be like a progressive party - everyone brings a different concoction and you just go down the line! ;-) We could get the local news crew out to film and have some "entomologists" as bartenders so they can identify the bugs as they come out!!! You know, that doesn't sound like a bad idea!!! Who's up for a ROAD TRIP???
Chemist G
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 5:01:30 GMT -5
Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 18, 2005 5:01:30 GMT -5
Hello Chemist,
Thank you for the explanation - Good to know someone's data retrieval mechanism still works.
Can bacteria encyst? Would you suspect that the withdrawal of folic acid and vitamin D could cause both Lyme and the S. malto to simply encyst until a better climate exists?
The persons who have used Septra have reoccurances of lesions when they go off it, then they clear up again when they go back to it. Maybe there have been complete cures, but this is all I have heard of so far.
I prefer the death sentence for these bacteria.
spec
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 11:35:20 GMT -5
Post by bugged1 on Jul 18, 2005 11:35:20 GMT -5
Spec,
Yes, some bacteria can form "spores" that protect them when their climate becomes intolerable. The reoccrances on Septra aren't difficult to explain tho - sulfa drugs are bacteriastats: they keep bacteria in check and from reproducing but do not kill them all off. Then your body's immune system is supposed to take care of that. However I believe we are dealing with a "micro" bacterium that acts more like a virus so Septra "aint gonna cut it" on it's own which is why, I'm sure, Dr. Schwartz is using Avelox with it. I'm beginning to feel Avelox or Cipro with tetracycline is the "absolute cure" but I need to do some research as to the drug interactions between those two before I go trying or recommending it.
Cheers,
Chemist G
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 14:02:58 GMT -5
Post by Jeff on Jul 18, 2005 14:02:58 GMT -5
Chem,
I should have a decent supply of tetra and cipro coming if customs doesn't stop it. I'd be willing to test if we can deduce that they won't interact and kill me.
Based on everything on here so far, I agree that tetra may be the more effective bacteriastatic drug for this thing, rather than Septra. If this thing has spores, etc., I wonder if it shouldn't be medium term (few weeks to 30 days) tetra, but the full 60 day anthrax protocol of cipro.
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 14:04:17 GMT -5
Post by Jeff on Jul 18, 2005 14:04:17 GMT -5
Hey, and since Dr. J only lives in the next state (and one I take every excuse to visit), maybe we can test together?
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 14:12:29 GMT -5
Post by Lisa on Jul 18, 2005 14:12:29 GMT -5
Orion! Yes about the Cat's Claw. I'm so glad you said something. Not long ago, on another thread, I mentioned that I didn't get a good herx with antibiotics. But with the Cat's Claw, my whole body feels like it's made of lead and I have a deep burning pain in my legs. I get all the classic herx symptoms when I take it. I've been thinking I should get off all antibiotics and stick with just it. I go back and forth. Is there anyone else out there that has had these experiences with Cat's Claw?
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 14:23:04 GMT -5
Post by laggica on Jul 18, 2005 14:23:04 GMT -5
My name is Jessica I am not crazy and thats good to know! From the top of my head to the bottom of my feet It crawls and creeps! I have been to a million doctors and feel like a raving idiot everytime. They dont tend to have a very good bedside manner! I dont have insurance or a job for that matter! Ive become a recluse! I live on a boat in San diego and dont even go outside how stupid is that? It consumes my days These Hairs bugs what ever the heck they are i would set my self on fire if i thought it would help! Doesnt anyone need a ginnie pig to study? cause ill change my name to Ginnie!!!! I cant afford any antibiotics. Ive run out of options sombody give me GUN!!!!
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 15:22:15 GMT -5
Post by Jeff on Jul 18, 2005 15:22:15 GMT -5
Jessica - under any other circumstances, I'd be jealous of you for living on a boat. No gun, no way, girl. Don't do that -- we're going to kick it's ss or die trying. And we AREN'T going to die trying. Or did you mean for the idiot docs? In that case, I won't encourage it, but I sure as he** won't stop you. Chem - I can't find anything that would lead me to be overcautious on the tetra/cipro combination (keeping in mind, my liver and kidneys survived cisplatin and etopiside with no compromise in function whatsoever, so I'm pretty sure my body isn't going to crumble on this stuff).
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 15:55:20 GMT -5
Post by Dr Jekyl on Jul 18, 2005 15:55:20 GMT -5
Hey, and since Dr. J only lives in the next state (and one I take every excuse to visit), maybe we can test together? Bet your sweet patooty!! Im on it already. Trying get ahold of some asap. Dont worry much about customs. They are only looking for illegal stuff.
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 15:58:22 GMT -5
Post by Dr Jekyl on Jul 18, 2005 15:58:22 GMT -5
Orion! Yes about the Cat's Claw. I'm so glad you said something. Not long ago, on another thread, I mentioned that I didn't get a good herx with antibiotics. But with the Cat's Claw, my whole body feels like it's made of lead and I have a deep burning pain in my legs. I get all the classic herx symptoms when I take it. I've been thinking I should get off all antibiotics and stick with just it. I go back and forth. Is there anyone else out there that has had these experiences with Cat's Claw? Been takin it for months now and it has helped but I only herx a lil bit on it.
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 16:07:07 GMT -5
Post by Jeff on Jul 18, 2005 16:07:07 GMT -5
Doc J - In case an interaction comes up (most likely it will be a reason I can't figure out ofr a reduction in bioavailability of one or the other drug, not a health risk), we need to be able to switch around - so might want to stock some Bactrim/Septra too, just in case we have to drop the tetra. I have some Zithro, but my hopes for that working are so low, I haven't even tried taking it. I'm really liking my longer Cipro term idea right now - until chem comes by and stomps on it.
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Quinine
Jul 18, 2005 16:08:23 GMT -5
Post by ANTHILL on Jul 18, 2005 16:08:23 GMT -5
Jeff thank you and you know why Jessica welcome to lyme busters I feel as a group here at lymbusters we are finding out the answers our little old selfs whether we have doctors help or not so stick with us and do what we do first thing pat your head wail rubbing your stomach
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