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Post by Jane D on Jul 23, 2005 9:59:15 GMT -5
Hi Chemist - you remind me of someone who used to be on another board, when I first started this journey thinking I had scabies. My doctor is willing to prescribe quinine and also has been reading up on Morgellons! (I love him a lot, right now). He wants me to ask you how much quinine you took to get the results you did with scalp and face - I believe it was you who said they had a big reaction to it? The book he consulted says really high doses for parasites and lower for malaria, and he wanted to know if he could prescribe me a lower dose for some relief.I am having a problem with scalp, eyelashes and mouth. The mouth and jaw thing is new in the past year and a half, the rest has been going on for years. Red fibres too. I brought him some samples and he was very respectful and interested and sent them right down to the "morons" at the lab (his word, not mine) to get them identified. I told him to make sure they didn't stop at one - I am hatching a nice variety. Can you share info on that dosage? TIA, Jane
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Post by Hope on Jul 23, 2005 12:26:58 GMT -5
Dear Jane,
Taratula has much experience with this drug. You may want to ask her how much she took too.
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Post by Chemist G on Jul 23, 2005 13:46:26 GMT -5
Hi Jane,
Nope I wasn't the one on quinine but I'm veryconfident that a quinine analogue like Ciprofloxacin holds the key to the cure. Because I believe there is a genetic factor also involved, I feel you'll also need to use a cell receptor block like D-Mannose so that your immune system will "realize" the pathogen. I would be very happy to speak to your doctor for you if you'd like (PM me) - sounds like you found a good one. As far as dose levels, it will be different for everyone but I have some ideas that I'd prefer to run by him before posting anything here - I DON'T want anyone self-treating and hurting themselves!
Be Well,
Chem G
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Post by Jane D on Jul 23, 2005 21:33:45 GMT -5
HI Chem - how kind of you to offer to chat with my doctor! How would you go about setting that up - or, how would I go about setting that up? He is also very concerned about people self-treating. Because he is also a microbiologist I think he would find your theories very interesting. He already knew about s. maltophilia and the large doses of sulfa drugs needed to kill it off. I can't remember why he decided not to put me on that right away - oh, yes, now I remember. Becuase I still have neuroborreliosis symptoms. He has put me on tetracycline - large doses, for about six weeks. He was supposed to prescribe nystatin for yeast but forgot. I will remind him on Monday when I call and ask for the prescription. My tongue is coated. I told him I would like to be in a position in life again to have a partner, and to hug my children. He heard me. Jane D.
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 23, 2005 22:15:30 GMT -5
OOps - PM me, sometimes I forget to log in and my official name here is bugged1.
Thanks,
Chemist G
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Post by Orion*** on Jul 24, 2005 0:36:33 GMT -5
There are some very interestings going on here (this thread) Plese post all the info that you get from your very willing Dr, I dosed on cats claaw--tonic water (78 mg quinine) and chloraella last night before bed, Today has been a very rough one for me today for what ever reason. I feel ill and depressed,,like mild flu stmptoms. hot flashes .
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Post by Taratula38dr jekyl on Jul 24, 2005 10:36:41 GMT -5
It was I who am taking quinine. I staryted at 400 miligrams a day. Did it three days and boom...frenzy . I mean the reaction was startling to say the least. Presently I regrouped and am taking 1 pill a week for now and build up a tolerance for it. Adding another pill everyweek until I can take it daily.
The die off is butt kicking. But its well worth it when your relief comes....after a few days
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Post by candy on Jul 24, 2005 12:05:41 GMT -5
TO CHEMIST i have a dr that does thing the natural way i am on nystatin , westhroid, nizoral, whitgold then i am on a lot of stuff for my immune system HE COULD tell by my blood that my tcell are working over time but my red blood cell are clotting and dying off and he is wating for more test to come back . he no i have something he just dont no what he said it will take time rebuild my immune system and get rid of what ever i got . do you think i should stick with him or go to lyme dr thanks candy
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 24, 2005 12:55:02 GMT -5
TO CHEMIST i have a dr that does thing the natural way i am on nystatin , westhroid, nizoral, whitgold then i am on a lot of stuff for my immune system HE COULD tell by my blood that my tcell are working over time but my red blood cell are clotting and dying off and he is wating for more test to come back . he no i have something he just dont no what he said it will take time rebuild my immune system and get rid of what ever i got . do you think i should stick with him or go to lyme dr thanks candy This one will be tough to beat naturally - you'd have to really load up on colloidal silver to the point of toxicity and/or garlic capsules along with some D-Mannose and that would take about a year if you were religious about the treatment protocol. I'm worried about your red blood cell issue and that sounds like Lyme or malarial implications so, yes, I think you should see one OR hematologist. There is a LOT more to be found in evaluating the blood than there is in the skin if my assumptions are correct. Be Well, Chem G
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Post by candy on Jul 24, 2005 16:27:30 GMT -5
thank you candy
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Post by jane on Jul 24, 2005 22:34:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the info on the quinine -- I will pass it on to my doc. He was looking at 600 in his book but was hoping he could get some die-off with a lower dose. Your post tells me that is possible. How are you doingm, overall? Winning the war? Jane D.
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Post by Careful on Jul 24, 2005 23:05:40 GMT -5
Candy, You are one of very few lucky ones able to work with someone who believes you. Don't give up on him because someone on a message board feels natural isn't the way to go. Take chems adivse and discuss it with him. If he is wants to help and it appears he does, he should be able to advise you on where to go for testing WITH HIS guidance. Good luck Candy
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Post by candy on Jul 25, 2005 19:18:06 GMT -5
the DR said that they have a new way to treat for lyme . you do it with iv then some kind of low shock i cant feel it goes into the body . I tryed it to day he just cost to much money i spent about 4,000dollar iam still wating for my ins to pay up . i have had all kind of tests he no all kinds promble i am having in my body and the strange thing is there more people he is seing that has lyme or systems like mine. I FOUND a notther dr That will treat me for lyme and look over all my test that will take my ins up front thank you take care candy
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Post by Orion*** on Jul 25, 2005 20:31:22 GMT -5
It was I who am taking quinine. I staryted at 400 miligrams a day. Did it three days and boom...frenzy . I mean the reaction was startling to say the least. Presently I regrouped and am taking 1 pill a week for now and build up a tolerance for it. Adding another pill everyweek until I can take it daily. The die off is butt kicking. But its well worth it when your relief comes....after a few days -=-=----=-- I have felt for a long time that quinine would be a very good antagonist , not only for morg but lyme as well. I said this long before I found out that I was so afflicted. The results of taking cats claw for lyme has also been very promising with an 80% success. Quinine--cats claw and colloidal silver seems to be getting to the bug. When I over dose on the quinine it makes me feel badly the next day. I don't know if its herx or reaction and sensutivity to the quinine. I do believe that there has been a decrease in bug activity. Only time will tell.
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Post by Taratula38 dr jekyl on Jul 25, 2005 23:13:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the info on the quinine -- I will pass it on to my doc. He was looking at 600 in his book but was hoping he could get some die-off with a lower dose. Your post tells me that is possible. How are you doingm, overall? Winning the war? Jane D. Im still progressing. As u guys know I had a very bad infestation. It is taking all the herbs and meds and colloidal minerals and the salt and c and internal cleansing and sulfer and msm just to get here. I am 100 % better...just not cured ....yet. But just a note, usually right b4 my menstrual cycle is worst. Well not this time, its been pretty good this last time....so just maybe that uptake of vitamin c helped.
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 25, 2005 23:30:48 GMT -5
Taratula, did you see Charley's post about Oral Salt Therapy in the Townsend Letter?
They mention the Vitamin C does make the salt work better. I remember the first month I tried this was not nearly as effective until I got up there to the recommended C intake.
Glad you are doing so well and Thanks for the other good posts you have made lately.
spec
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Post by Taratula38 Dr jekyl on Jul 25, 2005 23:34:21 GMT -5
Taratula, did you see Charley's post about Oral Salt Therapy in the Townsend Letter? They mention the Vitamin C does make the salt work better. I remember the first month I tried this was not nearly as effective until I got up there to the recommended C intake. Glad you are doing so well and Thanks for the other good posts you have made lately. spec Thanks for letting me know. I missed that. I know one thing ...Im sailing again. ;D Okay so what is the recommended c intake if you dont mind answering.
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 25, 2005 23:43:05 GMT -5
Hi Taratula, It is one for one. According to www.lymephotos.comI use the salt tablets from Consolidated Midland Corp. and I get them from www.medichest.com I take 12000 mg of salt, and 12000 mg of Vitamin C. I take 2 to 3 tablets at a time, spread through the day. My blood pressure that went up only for a few months when i was really sick, came back down to normal after being on the salt. Before that. in my very low salt days it was always very low. One time it was like 98 over 70. My thirst went away, now it is average. The urinary problems went away as well, you know the coughing type problems. I hear they can drug you for that problem too, or maybe you can just take salt and C. spec
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