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Post by SpecueLatin on Aug 1, 2005 2:18:03 GMT -5
Looking around for stuff to throw out and I... Stumbled on a bottle of vet recommended stuff for horses, dogs and cats.. about to throw it out, when I realized it has stuff in it that can kill parasites and other stuff, and had read about it sometime ago. So I tried it and it is really working on these lesions. The product I am using is called Fungisan and it also has some allantoin in it, which is derived from comfrey root for even deeper penetration. This stuff has been hanging around here for about 6 or 7 years. So, I started looking around online to see where else it can be purchased. I found this link sells a concentrate, this makes it very cheap! Also check the links on the page for safety precautions and so forth, this site tells ALL about it. No allantoin in it though. READ ALL ABOUT IT!! YOU WILL BE SURPRISED what it kills, all the crap we talk about on here. ALL of it. Spot treat or wash, used in hospitals by doctors up to 30 washes per day without drying out the skin. Use liberally, pets, cleaning and you! Some persons will be sensitive, I think it makes my ears ring more than usual. This place is selling a super concentrate, so a user must be very careful, wear eye protection, gloves, while they are handling the concentrate. www.traskresearch.com/benzalkonium_chloride.htmGoogle Benzalkonium Chloride and fungus, see what you get. NO YOU CANNOT DRINK IT! A USER WILL HAVE TO USE OTHER APPROACHES FOR THE INTERNAL CLEANSING spec
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Post by Spunky on Aug 1, 2005 6:18:27 GMT -5
Spec,
I used this in the past--it caused a severe chemical burn when applied in strong concentration. Also, Hulda Clark says benzene is toxic and diseases are caused by the presence of pathogens + high toxicity in the body; benzalkonium chloride (benzene with functional groups) surely must be included for this. I used it for a couple of months--helped inhibit, but was not a cure for me. Now seeking more natural, less toxic alternatives, at least for the body.
Continue the quest for knowledge!!! Thanks for all the info.
Spunky
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Post by jj on Aug 1, 2005 16:11:54 GMT -5
Funny how one runs across things. Was checking out a site that sells products for pets and human use. Checked out the active ingredient in most of their products. What do ya know ....... benzalkonium chloride .............. Safety (MSDS) data for benzalkonium chloride ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BE/benzalkonium_chloride.html ............... I relize the desperation, but please read the MSDS on this stuff. I wouldn't put this stuff on my skin. .............. Still hangin, JJ
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Post by SpecueLatin on Aug 1, 2005 20:52:55 GMT -5
Chem it is not a "vet only" product, so please take it easy. Nurses and Doctors scrub with Benzalkonium Chloride at the recommended concentration and have no irritation, day in and day out, with up to 30 exposures a day. They also scrub a LONG time when they wash up. So let's just keep it in perspective, shall we? As for your cure, Chem, I hope you continue to do well on a program that has not worked in the long term for others. I hope you stay well. When you have a long list of persons that have recovered from extreme cases, and have stayed that way for a long period of time, then you will have some sort of persuasive evidence. Unfortunately, People have healed entirely, and had reoccurances 5 years later. You also don't feel that you have any parasites, so you may not need what some others do, to kill the varmints. Spunky and JJ, I TOTALLY understand your point of view. I went with the natural stuff first and for a long, tedious, bank-breaking, time-sucking, long time. So I am doing your program in reverse. This is titled serious business. Chemicals are stronger than herbs, I don't know how much herbal remedy you might have to take, or how long you are willing to experiment with the vast array. Tumeric tincture killed a lot of stuff in the lesion, as does oregano tincture... the oregano oil, for instance, doesn't kill or deter what I have. Earlier on, atleast 4 people have experienced the hard, raised edge of the lesion, so some people on here have probably got the same varmint chewing and burrowing on the edge of the lesion like I have. One person used Ivermectin wash directly in the lesion, cattle scrub, I think, and it killed this varmint. I totally agree with you all about finding natural alternatives, great if you can wait, it is known that herbal remedies do take a long time, so if you have the time and the money - cool. But what about the process of disease in the body? If what you are doing is not effective? I believe Hulda Clarke is 100% correct about the connections between parasites and chemicals. 100%!! Many though have experimented with her zapper, which is great in theory, but.. so what else does she have to offer as a cure? Hope you who can see the natural remedies through! Cross the monkeybars of life! Get there, and do great. I truly haven't had a lot of high chemical exposure in my past like some of you! So maybe I have less concern over it. When my boys were growing up (early 80's), it was the ecology age, every single food had something bad in it for you, even the way you cut-up your vegetables and fruits could kill you.. I heard it all and heeded what I could.. but there is a balance in there, you know? Applying this is working for some of the worst Nodule/Lesions (that definitely have a varmint living inside) and have been in the same place For Years, despite ALL treatments, and for a whole lot less cash outlay. You can't use it with certain things listed, including nitrates, so I will be alternating time with this, and the saliciate acid and miconazole cream treatments. For Now. The allantoin, which is in the Fungisan product, is from comfrey root and does an excellent job softening the skin. My condition has come a long long way, but there is something that remains and needs a little more umph then what an herbal can do. I don't claim that in and of itself that Benzylkonium Chloride is the cure, this is something that treats "varmints" in the lesions. This is why it is the Scrub in the hospitals. Maybe you all don't have some sort of parasite in the skin, when the parasite that is still in my skin is dead, I will let you all know. We are not living in a chemical free world, exposure is just not something avoidable. Any air that you breathe, water you drink, any medicine you take can give you some effect back in the long run. We'd all like to treat our bodies like temples, but we are living in an era where the best they are is "Temples of doom". Oh well, people always have had to deal with hazards. If anyone decides to use Benzylkonium Chloride, I hope they will use it responsibly, just as the recommendations it will come labeled with. Your problems will be limited, Unless you drink it, soak in it for days.. etc. The doctor I work for was a surgeon for 30 years and is in great health at 80! Trust me, he had plenty of exposure. I'll let you all know if something VILE happens. Have you guys read momo's entry about the silica? I had some alfalfa that is full of silica, according to the herbal remedies, it give you acid blood, instead of alkaline... so like an idiot I quit using it, thinking it could be causing some back pain. I took it yesterday and my back feels great. Silica is a big builder of connective tissue, of course, but how would it kill the varmints? Momo believes it varmints, her suspect is 3600 years old! I think this silica holds some promise. I want to know more! We are such long-term guinea pigs. ohwell spec
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Post by jj on Aug 1, 2005 22:01:02 GMT -5
Hey Spec, Things ain't the way mother nature intended them to be and I relize they will never be. Unfortunately we have the need to turn to chemicals and pharmacueticals to remedy what some pharmacueticals and chemicals have contributed to. I also relize that a pharmacuetical will probably be part of a cure. When there is enough evidence and it applys to me I will jump. Right now I only use what I know works for me for certain symptoms within my means. I do experience "movement" deep within in certain areas and I do contibute that to a critter because it is too localized and distinct. Totally different from the crawlies. I do believe I have benefitted from Ivermectin and know it's properties are safe. I know my skin is totally compromised and don't want to further that process. ................. Benzalklonium chloride does have many uses. It's use in hospitals as a microbicide I can comprehend. I read where it is the active ingredient in some nasal sprays and inhibited the normal protective functions within the nasal cavities. This stuff is even used as a spermacide on condoms and in vaginal suppositories and creams. Can think of better things to stick up there myself but that's just me. All in all I feel a combo of natural, alternative and pharmacuetical will probably be the answer. The best of health to you Spec and everyone with whatever we choose. ............... Still hangin, JJ
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Post by SpecueLatin on Aug 1, 2005 22:24:31 GMT -5
funny gal, {i hope i have atleast this much right JJ?}
hey you are the GSE connection? how is it going? I hear that Grapefruit Seed Extract is good for the vaginal douche, I think it said 16 drops every 5 days for general use, and can't remember the exact dose for infection.
Definitely, every guy/gal for themselves! I think we can all learn from these exchanges.
Now, as for the dang Ivermectin, I definitely felt the stuff dieing in the muscles as it struggled and had the varmints later come up to the skin surface. Like I said in another post you probably read, I am going to use it with the albendazole next, it is used in this manner for some infections. I am going to take the albendazole for 3 days, twice a day , and then the ivermectin on the last day in combination.
I read though that the ivermectin is suspected to cause some to develop leukemia after 10 or more uses. This further pushed me in the direction of using the albendazole. I might use the month long regimen if I still see a need for it after this initial deal takes its toll.
I don't think persons should be packing down the Ivermectin if that is a possibility. Good lord, could you imagine letting this stuff drive you to give yourself Leukemia?
I agree with your idea about that it will take several aspects to get well. My son, the scientist, we talk about the future, and it is a shame, but technology is the only possibility now to save this civilization.
The planet, on the otherhand, can probably do without this civilization.
KEEP hangin'
spec
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Post by Ed on Aug 1, 2005 23:29:56 GMT -5
................. Benzalklonium chloride does have many uses. This stuff is even used as a spermacide on condoms and in vaginal suppositories and creams. ah.........they don't put it in lipstick do they? Ed
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Post by susiebelle on Aug 2, 2005 4:37:12 GMT -5
Chem: I agree that hydrogen peroxide isn't for everything but I have had success with it clearing my sinuses and I like to use in on floss pics when I floss my teeth without any irritation. Also I have had possitive results with betadine(liquid and ointment) Also I got a gallon of gentle iodine at the farm supply store because it is so much cheaper. I put it to my bath occasionally and in my foot massager. Also I have read that potassium iodide is used to treat sporotrichosis, and I have seen the tablets in the health food stores. Do you have any info on the safety and reasons for using it?
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Post by spunky on Aug 2, 2005 6:15:24 GMT -5
Spec and Chem G,
The benzalkonium chloride did seem to help for a while, but did not cure my problem. The "ear salve" I used was too strong a concentration and produced a burn after prolonged exposure (only a few uses).
This was after multiple exposures to insecticides meant for human use (spaced apart according to directions). I believe I reached a state of acute toxicity which allowed even more multiplication of this plague.
Herbs are helping. Comfrey is good--even though FDA banned, I am using it internally and externally--seems to be healing my skin. 25 years ago, my aunt used it daily on my grandmother's leg when the Dr. thought it would have to be amputated. Her leg was saved from amputation--much to the surprise of the Dr. My uncle started growing his own, as I think it was removed from the market during that time period.
I copied John's (Blue Skies--many thanks!) recipe and will go the local herb store I just found to see about Catsclaw. Also using the published recipe, minus the copper (can't tolerate it). Actually, the local herb store is quite reasonable in price ($2-$4 per bag of ground or dried herbs). I have spent much in the quest for health; unfortunately in this country today (and probably throughout history), being sick is expensive and the rich can likely afford the best treatments (not that I am rich--far from it).
I bought the silica (also many thanks to Angel!) and am taking it daily. Tetrasil appears to aggravate my skin and make it "angry"; not sure if it is killing things in my skin, thereby causing a reaction. I will continue zapping (hope to get back on schedule with it), as it seemed to help fairly dramatically, but apparently will not prevent reinfection. I bought the one with the hand paddles and foot plates and two frequencies (ParaZapper CCa; $155, including shipping). Hulda says you can zap yourself with a 9 volt battery by touching each terminal (+ and -) with wet fingers (sea salt water). Tap the positive terminal 2 times per second with your finger for 10 minutes; your body will allow a sustained current. The Zapper manual states the positive terminal will kill parasites while the negative side shields them, (I didn't read anything in Hulda's book on that part) so to keep the negative lead away from the body. Not sure I witnessed this yet--will let you know. Anyway, it is a relatively easy and cheap try before considering purchase.
I think the problem is all around us in the environment, so hard to stay in a bubble. Not sure if it was bioengineered, introduced to this country from another, or may even be bioterrorism; whatever it is, hoping to ultimately defeat it and not let it defeat my psyche.
Chem G, if your method is that of antibiotic, thanks, but I have had my fill, even though I read the article where river blindness nematode worm in Africa was cured by killing its symbiotic bacteria with large doses of antibiotic. I am acutely sensitive to many things others do not react to (small in size). I already know antiobiotic induces too much Candida into my body and blood, which allows entry for more and/or other pathogens.
Best to all in our search for good health--the ultimate in wealth. Spunky
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Post by SpecueLatin on Aug 2, 2005 16:12:49 GMT -5
Hi Spunky, Are you still experiencing itching, sorry but I can't always remember everybodies set of symptoms. I do think there is more than one thing here going on. One thing is small like a mite, and I know Hulda Clarkes plan was in the seventh minute of the zapper application that varmint would die. I used the "not nice to lice" enzyme shampoo from www.naturalginesis.com, straight out of the bottle on the lesion each time it itched. After about two weeks, that itch was history. I also think I have a very hard to see picture of that varmint at 200x, this is when I really wished I had a more powerful microscope than the digital blue. But I have that specimen yet, and I do believe it could still be seen. Anyway, I am really glad the itch is gone. The Benzylkonium Chloride now seems to be killing the varmint (see Proud Flesh thread). Why I think that is that at first: ouch! The biting biting Biting! Now, I don't feel any. Time will tell, it hasn't even been a week. The same concentration of Benzylkonium Chloride is found in both Fungisan and GoldBond Quick Spray. This must be the proper concentration for skin/lesions. The warnings are should not be applied over large areas of the body, and should not be applied to deep puncture wounds. because it is not intended for ingestion! Good luck,
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Post by jj on Aug 2, 2005 18:00:21 GMT -5
funny gal, {i hope i have atleast this much right JJ?} hey you are the GSE connection? how is it going? I hear that Grapefruit Seed Extract is good for the vaginal douche, I think it said 16 drops every 5 days for general use, and can't remember the exact dose for infection. Definitely, every guy/gal for themselves! I think we can all learn from these exchanges. I read though that the ivermectin is suspected to cause some to develop leukemia after 10 or more uses. I don't think persons should be packing down the Ivermectin if that is a possibility. Good lord, could you imagine letting this stuff drive you to give yourself Leukemia? spec Spec, Yep you got that right (gal). .............. Nutribiotic liquid GSE info: (from a 2001 printout). General use (orally) 5 to 15 drops in 5 oz of water. Can be used in many ways. It apears as if it is aiding in clearing out the pores along with the sauna. Have not had a sinus headache since I started it. First dosage (drink) went right to my head (herx) but gradually subsided and no longer happens when I take it. I think that is a good sign. .............. As far as the Ivermectin, I was unable to find anything indicating it caused Leukemia but I did find just the opposite for the natural based Avermectin. "Antitumor Effect of Avermectins." ............... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15464058&query_hl=3 . VERY INTERESTING! Still hangin, JJ
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Post by Chem G on Aug 2, 2005 18:46:29 GMT -5
Spec and Chem G, The benzalkonium chloride did seem to help for a while, but did not cure my problem. The "ear salve" I used was too strong a concentration and produced a burn after prolonged exposure (only a few uses). This was after multiple exposures to insecticides meant for human use (spaced apart according to directions). I believe I reached a state of acute toxicity which allowed even more multiplication of this plague. Herbs are helping. Comfrey is good--even though FDA banned, I am using it internally and externally--seems to be healing my skin. 25 years ago, my aunt used it daily on my grandmother's leg when the Dr. thought it would have to be amputated. Her leg was saved from amputation--much to the surprise of the Dr. My uncle started growing his own, as I think it was removed from the market during that time period. I copied John's (Blue Skies--many thanks!) recipe and will go the local herb store I just found to see about Catsclaw. Also using the published recipe, minus the copper (can't tolerate it). Actually, the local herb store is quite reasonable in price ($2-$4 per bag of ground or dried herbs). I have spent much in the quest for health; unfortunately in this country today (and probably throughout history), being sick is expensive and the rich can likely afford the best treatments (not that I am rich--far from it). I bought the silica (also many thanks to Angel!) and am taking it daily. Tetrasil appears to aggravate my skin and make it "angry"; not sure if it is killing things in my skin, thereby causing a reaction. I will continue zapping (hope to get back on schedule with it), as it seemed to help fairly dramatically, but apparently will not prevent reinfection. I bought the one with the hand paddles and foot plates and two frequencies (ParaZapper CCa; $155, including shipping). Hulda says you can zap yourself with a 9 volt battery by touching each terminal (+ and -) with wet fingers (sea salt water). Tap the positive terminal 2 times per second with your finger for 10 minutes; your body will allow a sustained current. The Zapper manual states the positive terminal will kill parasites while the negative side shields them, (I didn't read anything in Hulda's book on that part) so to keep the negative lead away from the body. Not sure I witnessed this yet--will let you know. Anyway, it is a relatively easy and cheap try before considering purchase. I think the problem is all around us in the environment, so hard to stay in a bubble. Not sure if it was bioengineered, introduced to this country from another, or may even be bioterrorism; whatever it is, hoping to ultimately defeat it and not let it defeat my psyche. Chem G, if your method is that of antibiotic, thanks, but I have had my fill, even though I read the article where river blindness nematode worm in Africa was cured by killing its symbiotic bacteria with large doses of antibiotic. I am acutely sensitive to many things others do not react to (small in size). I already know antiobiotic induces too much Candida into my body and blood, which allows entry for more and/or other pathogens. Best to all in our search for good health--the ultimate in wealth. Spunky I've got a natural cure that works very similar to Cipro that I was totally unaware of (affects DNA and reverse transcriptase so prevents viral issues just like Cipro without giving rise to candida which is part of the problem). PM me if interested - 4 confirmed cures on that protocol and it does NOT use cats claw or eye of newt! Chem G
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Post by Spunky on Aug 2, 2005 20:16:20 GMT -5
CHEM G, I'm all ears and very interested in your natural cure--would gladly concoct any witches brew to be rid of this. What is PM? Post Message? Many thanks!
Spec, Not sure why, but my forearms are now afflicted. I don't seem to itch much anymore; guess my body has adjusted somewhat and doesn't react like it did originally. The original varmint could be the cause, as each pore in the area seems to be harboring a black spec that won't dislodge, no matter what (enzyme, oils, comfrey, neosporin, miconazole nitrate--every trick and then some; honey is my next try--what healed my burn).
Not sure if I was clear on the zapping--each terminal of the battery should be touched with fingers from the opposite hand (i.e., right hand finger to +, left hand finger to -, and vice versa). Hulda generally recommends zapping 3 seven minute sessions spaced apart by 20 minute breaks (the first to break down larger organisms and subsequent times for the bacteria and viruses they release on their death), but said a straight 10 minutes was good for the 9 volt battery.
I didn't buy the not nice to lice yet, but likely will on next enzyme purchase.
The advice and kind words are greatly appreciated! On to the zapper. (Maybe electroshock therapy helped clinical depression years ago because it broke down pathogens that clouded the brain--I could likely use a dose or ten.)
Spunky
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Post by Will on Aug 3, 2005 1:06:02 GMT -5
i hear the 4 took d-lenolate (an olive leaf extract) from east park research.
any idea how many drops or tsp's x/day the silver was taken?........thanks
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Post by Chem G on Aug 3, 2005 18:24:14 GMT -5
CORRECT! EastPark can be reached at 1-800-656-8687
10 ppm of the sliver was taken each day and no more.
Oh, and I believe it was 1/4 cup aloe juice along with probiotics 3 times daily.
Be Well!
Chem G
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Post by SpecueLatin on Aug 3, 2005 20:47:54 GMT -5
Hey now! What is all this "natural remedy" stuff doing on this forbidden, body-pollution thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesn't it deserve a thread all it's own ??!??! ??!??! ??!??!? ?!??!? spec
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Post by spunky on Aug 3, 2005 23:22:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Chem G!!!
I'm on it, or soon will be--used to have Olive Leaf here in the house, but can't find it now--already have aloe juice, acidophilus, and Sovereign Silver! Will call East Park tomorrow, but also rush to my local herb shop to see about the Olive and the other herbs Blue Skies John recommended (have some of those already, too).
Honey, enzyme, and zapping helped my arms some, but still a ways to go. Want to wipe it out entirely in my body and continue the effort to purge the invaders from my environment--I see them everywhere now where I never would have before.
When I originally came down with this, (after my daughter's exposure to head lice) I had no clue as to what it was. When combing out her hair after treatment, I witnessed what I thought was a nit burrow into my body (I couldn't get it back out--immediately after, it turned into what looked like a small freckle). Did another stronger Rx treatment one week after that. 3-4 weeks later I developed a rash after eating a chili pepper--thought it was an allergic reaction. Soon after that, my nightmare began. At one point there were literally thousands upon thousands (hundreds of thousands) of these swimming deep under my skin throughout my body. The drs. didn't believe me--the derm called my primary care to tell him I was certifiable. That is when I burned myself with the benzalkonium chloride for scabies (also the active ingredient in Lysol). The honey saved me--Manuka from New Zealand--I spread it on and wrapped myself in soft cotton jersey--drew many of the monsters out into the cotton, but took weeks or months. Not sure how I found my way, but since that time it has been a constant battle, primarily upward (if not, I would either be insane or dead). I continue the journey in fear of re-living that experience (or my daughter, or anyone else around me--now every freckle is suspect as to what actually may lie beneath).
More rationale, more calm than before; still remembering what can unexpectedly go bump in the night--determined to keep it at bay, appreciate every "normal" occasion, and resume the joy of life.
I'm sure the information provided through this forum helps in countless ways to many lost souls.
Thanks to all, Spunky
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Post by Will on Aug 4, 2005 4:38:24 GMT -5
re: east park research...ask for the 2 with 1 bottle free deal
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Post by Will on Aug 4, 2005 4:46:30 GMT -5
spunky ..that's an interesting story re: the manuka and cotton. is the manuka antimicrobial ? it is antibacterial.......good luck with the protocol ! hope it works for them buggers.
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Post by spunky on Aug 4, 2005 5:16:54 GMT -5
Hi Will, Yes, please see link below for information. It is very healing for burns and wounds--antibacterial properties and also contains hydrogen peroxide in natural form--used in NZ hospitals. Manuka is a relative of the tea tree. I have bought a couple different brands--Comvita was one, and I think the better of the two. Interestingly enough (although I didn't know it at the time), the old writings (couple of hundred years ago) from the article on the Morgellons Research Foundation web that speaks of this problem describes native peoples using honey to extract them from their children. Please see link below. Companies in the US carry it and have stock--not cheap, but worth it for me at the time. I still have some on hand, in case I ever have need. www.manukahoney.com/resources/conditions/index.htmlIt is very sticky and messy (the actual honey is the best, rather than the ointments), but helped me dramatically when I needed it most. Best, Spunky
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