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Post by jwf on Sept 21, 2005 18:13:20 GMT -5
Since Lymebusters recently lost its memory, this information is posted again in the hope that it may help someone in their recovery from Morgellons, and Lyme if you also have that infection.
When my wife and I were sick with Lyme and Morgellons, we were not sure what bacteria, fungus, yeast, or fill in the _____, came first, so I decided to go for the mow 'em down approach with the most powerful herbs that we could buy.
The most important herbs, depending on degree of 'herxing' are:
Cat's Claw, Teasel, Olive Leaf Extract, Seven Forest Herbal formulas for Spirochetes ,Triphala, and Sarsaparilla.
Also: 2 Kyolic Garlic formulas (Immune and Antioxidant), Pau d'Arco, Folic Acid, NAC(Cysteine), Ionic Silver, Oregano, and Grape Seed Extract.
Also Artemisinin if you suspect Babesia.
For Sanity: Aromatherapy: Menthol crystals diffused into bedroom & office- calming to nerves and whatever itches like hell.
Lifesaver: Kleen-em-Away (enzyme cleaner) or equivalent.
Each item has a purpose and some have several. Some are antibacterial, anti-fungal, and a dewormer. Others are for taking care of the die-off of bacteria, yeast, fungus, and worms and flukes if you have those.
We had neuro-Lyme symptoms to the extreme. About the only thing we didn't lose was our sense of humor- although we mostly laughed at ourselves.
I feel like our present good health is due to attacking all infection and infestation at the same time- because they reinforce and sustain each other.
Knock out one and the others invite another.
Until the answers are revealed through research, if ever, of what attacks first and what follows, that riddle may not make a difference in how you treat your health problem- specifically Morgellons, which seems to encompass many infections and infestations.
As a gentle reminder Cat's Claw helps over 200 known medical conditions, and for my wife and I it was as close to a silver bullet for the bad guys as you could find.
Blue Skies..........John
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Post by Patti on Sept 22, 2005 9:58:31 GMT -5
Thanks for this John....it will be so helpful for many, and just hearing about your recovery is heartwarming & inspiring.
I hate to ask this but I've lost something you wrote about........would you mind posting the link where you bought your diffuser and menthol crystals? I'll probably find it years from now, right in the most obvious place but I would like to order this right away.
Thanks so much!
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Post by jwf on Sept 27, 2005 19:11:41 GMT -5
Hi Patti, Good to hear from you. The menthol crystals in sachets and dispersed with a diffuser continue to be valuable weapons. They even worked in itchy Florida on a recent trip:
Topic: Herbal Treatment (Read 871 times)
Re: Herbal Treatment « Reply #14 on Aug 7, 2005, 10:50pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The electronic aromatherapy diffuser box got thrown away a couple of weeks ago, but through the magic of Google-ing, here is the one I bought and prefer because there are no disposa- bles to buy. It has a ceramic disk that heats a removable (for cleaning) stainless steel dish for oils, in this case the menthol crystals. Ours was purchased at a local health food store for about $15.00. www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=137493&catid=76925&trx=PLST-0-SRCH&trxp1=76925&trxp2=137493&trxp3=1&trxp4
We think the pound of crystals purchase makes the best use of your money, if you are going to make the sachets and use the diffuser. The crystals may vary in size but not to big for the steel dish. No other aromatic oils worked as well as the menthol for stopping the itching. The three days for cleansing a room is a rough estimate of our trials- which meant filling the dish with crystals and the letting it run out, three days in a row. Hope that helps. Cat's claw was initially taken in amounts of 2-3 capsules/day and increased as the Herxheimer reaction became tolerable. Each person is so different that you will need to just listen to your own body and adjust your intake accordingly. More details on the other herbs later.
Re: Herbal Treatment « Reply #9 on Aug 5, 2005, 12:30am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi T, The menthol crystals that we use came from Stony Mountain-- www.wildroots.com/index.php We put them in small sachets that can be left any- where you feel things getting itchy. I keep a couple under my pillow, and used to put them right next to my face when times were bad- everything gets right peaceful with menthol around. It is anti-fungal and antibacterial. A small electrical diffuser that simply heats oils is used to stop all activity in a room. We found that 3 days of diffusing crystals in a room makes it inhabitable for even those who are the most sensitive to the environment. This works especially well around electrical equip- ment like computers. Completely debugs the area.
During the worst of times we vacuumed our living area every night before bed, changed our sheets daily, took two showers a day, soaked our wash in 20 Muleteam Borax (2 hours), and used the Kleen-em-away enzyme cleaner everywhere, including ourselves.
We started using Cat's Claw and other herbs 1 1/2 years after getting dozens of nymph tick bites around Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia. This was after one month of low dose doxycycline which is bacteriostatic at best. Our Morgellon symptoms- the itching, stabbing pains, crawling sensation, and the red, blue, and clear fibers, began to lessen within a couple of weeks of taking the herbs. We have been taking the herbs for Lyme and Morgellons now for 1 year 4 months non-stop and will continue until we test negative with Bowen and IgeneX for current infection. We are walking proof that you can be symptom free- and we hope to prove Lyme free in the near future, without major drug use. I agree with what Frisky mentioned ; the last thing to return is the energy that we often took for granted as kids. That's why I exercise- it helps. Blue Skies.....................John
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Post by Patti on Sept 29, 2005 9:21:37 GMT -5
Thanks a lot John.....I know that I saved the info but Lord only knows where. If I'd had my "used-to-be" organizational skills back, I would have started a LB folder with all this information in subfiles, but instead I just put things wherever I felt they should go at that time. That means I will probably find the menthol info in a "tree" file. I like the looks of that diffuser and it's not too expensive, considering.....I have many of those ceramic candle ones around here but I knew by your description that you weren't using those. I don't think they would put off enough heat for the scent to do any good. I also think this would benefit those people who have cycles with breathing difficulties, so I really appreciate you taking the time to re-post your links. By best to you and your lovely wife. Hugs, Patti
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Post by cb on Oct 3, 2005 6:03:45 GMT -5
thanks i am going to try that . we are getting better allso but we still vac and clean ever day a wash are sheets . one test said i had lyme but the otther test with the bands said i dont have it the dr said i mite have been exposed to it but my body fought it off take care god loves us candy
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Post by Jan on Feb 1, 2006 20:14:03 GMT -5
I had Lyme, got rid of it with hyperbaric oxygen chamber, teasel, a zapper, rife frequency, lot s of prayer. Then I felt I had gotten other parasites... from going to Peru. went on a parasite celanse that a naturalpath suggested/provided the herbs. After the 6th day, had to be rushed to the emergency room..had an appendecvtomy. Without health insurance, I am still paying the $22,000. bill. Got to be extremely cautious using herbs. I think you should get an endoscopic test (see what is attached to the intestines), get a dr. to RX a "comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis", sent to the Great Smokey Labs, in Asheville,N.C. see what you are dealing with first.
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Post by sandylu on Feb 2, 2006 14:23:08 GMT -5
thanks john ;)sandy
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Post by sandylu on Feb 2, 2006 14:24:57 GMT -5
thanks john from sandy .......any other tips are appreciated.
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Post by sandylu on Feb 2, 2006 14:26:07 GMT -5
looks like i double dipped, sorry!
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Post by bannanny on Aug 1, 2006 1:24:55 GMT -5
Thanks John......I'm getting it all along with QH's smoothie ingredients. Do you think I should start the Salt & C protocol along with all that you did? I've gone back and forth so much, I know I need to STICK to a strong, strict regimen!! I've also decided to start ignoring these suckers and allowing them to get the "upper hand". I believe there's an intelligence here and that ignoring it mentally will be a very beneficial thing to do! I'm very aware of their presence... I see no reason to continue visually probing them anymore!
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Post by jwf on Aug 7, 2006 1:24:45 GMT -5
Hi Bannanny, We never tried the Salt & Vit. C--- well Annie did give it a shot for 3 to 4 days and gave it up. That amount of salt has to be tough on the body. But if it is a last resort therapy, then it's logically worth a try.
My personal opinion is that it shouldn't be done at the same time as using strong herbals. I'm thinking overload for kidneys and liver and maybe the cardiovascular system.
Blue Skies.............John
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Post by junebook on Sept 3, 2006 14:41:55 GMT -5
Thank you for responding. Your type of therapies are new to me, so please, please forgive my ignorance. What type of diffusers do you use? Is there heat involved? Do you have to keep the diffusers filled with the menthol crystals? How many do you have in your house? What type of diffusers do you have? How much crystals do you put in each diffuser? Do you buy on-line? What do you think the menthol does. Does it cut back the Morg? activity ? Does the aroma keep whatever-they-are at bay? And the herbs. Please tell me how much you take of the ones you listed? Thank you so much. God bless.
JuneP
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Post by why on Sept 7, 2006 23:21:43 GMT -5
To JWF, could you please tell me how to take all this medicine and for how long?
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Post by jwf on Sept 9, 2006 0:03:59 GMT -5
It would be foolish for me to tell anyone what and how much to take in the way of supplements.
Each person is unique in their illness and each responds differently to different supplements.
Each of us has to learn as much as possible on your own and decide for yourself how to approach your healing.
For some it will include an LLMD, for others many different alternative therapies.
For most of us treatment will not include a dermatologist, psychiatrist, or or close-minded physician.
Unfortunately, because of our current medical system and supporting cast of corrupt and morally bankrupt governmental agencies, you have to help yourself.
There is more than enough information here available with the search function and some well spent time reading to get a good start. Blue Skies................John
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Post by sammy on Sept 9, 2006 7:26:31 GMT -5
I tried cats claw for a year and it did not kill these parasites. But it might work for some with lymes. The crystals are great and so are the moisture control buckets. They hate it, dries them out.
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Post by hannah on Sept 13, 2006 16:11:13 GMT -5
What's a moisture control bucket?
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Post by bannanny on Sept 18, 2006 4:26:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry John! I forgot I even posted here......DUH! Anyhoo, I just wanted to thank you for all your help..........................................Oh yeah, I can't remember how people were using diatamaceous earth (another duh). Do you know? It's contamination central here.....inside and out. Can you use it indoors too? And how?
G'night ~~ bannanny
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Post by jwf on Jan 14, 2007 16:28:41 GMT -5
It has been awhile since comming to this topic/board. We still find the menthol crystals helpful especially with our two dogs around the house. Try to find it derived from mentha or peppermint. (Natural sources in crystal form)
www.mountainroseherbs.com/supply/ingred.php
Also the clamshell diffuser is just one of many types you can buy, but this one is easy to use, no disposables, easy to clean, and relatively inexpensive.
www.herbalremedies.com/aromatherapy-diffuser.html
The enzyme cleaner with peppermint from Safe Solutions is always handy and the laundry cleaner from Bi-0-Kleen with orange peel & grapefruit extract along with 20 mule team borax keep your laundry itch free.
If you use diatomaceous earth (DE) be sure to buy the food grade quality-- safe enough to even add a little roughage to your diet (be careful not to inhale as you are washing it down).
We put it in our attic because insects don't like it one bit.
Blue Skies.............John
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Post by life on Jan 14, 2007 19:05:20 GMT -5
Hi John~~
I have 2 quick questions about the Menthol and diffuser. My crystals arrived -- thank you -- and I put a very small handfull in a sachet under my pillowcase.
I have a terrible headache, from my nose back into my head. Did either of you experience anything like this? Could the crystals have anything to do with it? If its some kind of Herx, then that would be fine. Or, is the amount too much for me? I also boiled them in water too, like Hannah suggested.
Q-2: How long will the diffuser run? If I turn it on before I leave the classroom on Friday's, will it run out by Monday morning? And, if it does, does it hurt it to be on when nothing is left in it?
Thanks, John, life
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Post by romeo71 on May 17, 2007 22:31:03 GMT -5
I had Lyme, got rid of it with hyperbaric oxygen chamber, teasel, a zapper, rife frequency, lot s of prayer. Then I felt I had gotten other parasites... from going to Peru. went on a parasite celanse that a naturalpath suggested/provided the herbs. After the 6th day, had to be rushed to the emergency room..had an appendecvtomy. Without health insurance, I am still paying the $22,000. bill. Got to be extremely cautious using herbs. I think you should get an endoscopic test (see what is attached to the intestines), get a dr. to RX a "comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis", sent to the Great Smokey Labs, in Asheville,N.C. see what you are dealing with first. ' How well does the hyperbaric oxygen work? I have been considering this for y lyme but boy it is too expensive for ,me..
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