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Post by godsgrace on Jun 22, 2008 9:22:46 GMT -5
Steve Frey is Sick to death of Conspiracy theorists Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 478 Hijacked
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If you haven't been to Lymebusters lately you might want to just stop in and see what the conspiracy theoriy crowd are up to, if nothing else you'll probably get a good laugh out of it. On a more serious note, this group of conspiracy theorists has literally hijacked the morgellons issue and turned it into a platform where anything goes, nothing is too ridiculous for this crowd, from government agents in black suv's spying on them to alien abductions to black helicopters to sprinkling holy water around their houses.
Here's a couple lines from one of the more vocal members Godsgrace
"One more way for them to control us....with fear. I saw on the news last night that they can't find the source of the salmonella filled tomatoes. I LAUGHED OUTLOUD!!! They can find my house and garage via satellite even though there are millions of them but they can't find the source of the outbreak? e-coli in thousands of fields of spinach. Let me guess, one worker didn't wash their hands, right??? LOL The gov't can't find the source of these outbreaks, how interesting. Just like noone could find the source of my CFS/Fibro. coincidence? I think not."
"DOP, paranoia, insane or not rational. All mental problems, all connected.
adding years to morgellon's acceptance is not our concern finding the truth is.
If that entails stories of being followed, aliens, unexplained physical components and an "illness" with bugs, worms, hairs, fungus, bacteria, viruses, algae parasites, molds ect growing out of people's bodies... than so be it."
"There are a lot of people here who know alot of information about the "real ways of the world"....not the pseudo-matrix we are lead to believe that the world is. We are a threat to them, that's why they follow us. Many people have been murdered over the years for knowing too much, opening their mouths or not going along with the plan..."
"For me the betrayal was the worst!! It was the hardest aspect to deal with for me mentally. Everything I thought was reality, in fact, was not"
Here's some from Glennb
"Now that it appears that the gov is trying to exterminate us all the DNA collection part of this makes a lot of sense as a DNA bank would be a valuable resource for them to have and exploit long after the original DNA holders are gone."
"I think the common thread that connects abductions and black suvs to Morgellons is that we are realizing (this is my opinion anyway) that reality as many of us have experienced it, the reality that we are presented with and conditioned to believe in is really not the way it is at all. Our so called reality is a manipulated bubble floating on top of a vast other reality of deep black secrets, the occult workings of black magic adepts, things going on that don't fit what most of us see as reality."
or these from another member bessie
"Once again I will say that the explanation that encompasses and accounts for all aspects of this thing is this: Smart dust containing snips of genetic material from all kinds of things - plants, animals, insects, fungus, mycoplasm ".
IF you go with the premise that "we" are being experimented on, then that opens a Pandora's box of other things that may go with it, including different kinds of surveillance. So many on this board have reported seeing/feeling structures or sensations that seem like sensors or communication systems in their bodies. I have heard the same thing on some of the radio shows. This isn't just a parasitic disorder. Bessie "
If you care about whether or not morgellons ever gets acknowledged by the mainstream then you should be concerned about the influence of this group who is clearly having an adverse affect on our cause.
Just thought I would share info on what Steve Frey is writing on other boards about the members here. He quoted me as one of the more vocal members of the group and proceeded to quote our info from here.
Seems he is getting mixed reviews.
Just thought I might shed some light on this person's character that some of you seem to so boldy defend.
What he did is wrong but I couln't help myself... I had to share this info.
Hope you are not his next target...
godsgrace
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 9:41:59 GMT -5
GG - I commented on another thread about this. It is totally inappropriate, destructive, and damaging. And you are 100% correct in terms of what this says about his character - and his ego. This all started because his VERY vocal insistence that HE is RIGHT was met with some challenge, and that threw him into some kind of narcissistic injury. He can't take being disagreed with and evidently will stop at nothing. Bessie
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 22, 2008 9:50:59 GMT -5
bessie my dear friend, I am just so sorry that he involved you in this as well.... and glennb.
Little do they all know that the information we are speaking is the truth.
Believe me, I went looking for information to disporove the fact that aliens exist...I was a non-believer.
The more I dug, the more I found information to prove that it is a real situation.
glennb, I'm sorry he used your quotes as well.
I am glad, however, that I was referred to as "one of the more vocal members of the board"
damn right....I will shut my mouth when I'm dead.
I am here, just like everyone else, in an attempt to figure this all out. Not for any other reason.
thank you
godsgrace
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Post by toni on Jun 22, 2008 9:52:42 GMT -5
I do understand your aggravation about this, because I'd feel the same way if it were me being talked about in a mocking way.
I can only hope that no matter who reads anything that any of us write (if they have enough sense to understand) the facts that we aren't scientists - we are INNOCENT VICTIMS of something horrible that's infecting our bodies and taking our lives.
We've been treated with no respect, without legitimacy of our infections and we're experiencing nothing but frightening experiences and pain, and the majority of doctors aren't even willing to help....and ALL we are left with is our own observations and FEAR, and what we feel is real and have no idea what's happening, or why we can't get help, and why CDC has partnered up with Kaiser and the US Armed Forces Institute and THEY still haven't figured this out either!
So, my thoughts are...it doesn't matter what "anyone" says, because truly any REAL doctor or scientists etc...would have the common sense to know that there is no way "we" could understand this since they can't - so we say what we feel....and that's very normal under these circumstances too.
And being in this situation (infected as we are)...of course we're going to be fearful of everything, that's normal too.
And unless the one mocking "has confirmed facts"...well, it is then only their personality showing though, to feel the "need" to mock anyone else.
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Post by Jill on Jun 22, 2008 9:59:30 GMT -5
I liked his video with the bug scooping out the fiber or hair. Thought that was outstanding. Still, I didn't get where it was related to a sponge. Maybe I need to re-read?
The debate with Steve and his group- is not about theories- really.
It's about Man-made v Natural.
This battle has been going on for years. There is a group that is bound and determined to prove that it is a natural occurrence - despite all the evidence to the contrary.
This group will spam any thread that you start - that has potential- to answer questions that relate. The threads will be spoiled- diverted- spammed (in the vernacular). Happens every time.
It is obvious the why of the man-made confusion. It's to keep us confused. Or attempt to.
With evidence presented to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this malady is related to products- case in point- Mark Darrah and the discovery of the organophosphates, and then this information is discarded, is proof to me that no matter what is researched and presented that is factual and real, it will be ignored and a campaign of old theories will be paraded for the umpteenth time.
There was a time on the initial board, when Lyme discussion was verboten. I got a phone call and was told not to post any additional Lyme information - period.
It is obvious to me that those culpable (or related to or paid by) are attempting to keep the group going in circles. It's worked for years, after all.
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 22, 2008 10:14:33 GMT -5
jjill, you said it. They are attempting to make us run in circles without ever figuring it out. who discards or ignores EVIDENCE? The CDC, NIH and certain people. ridiculous. Thank you for your input. You folks are the best!!!!! I don't care what they say about you at other boards...LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL. ;D all my love godsgrace
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Post by Jill on Jun 22, 2008 10:21:21 GMT -5
You're a riot, Godsgrace!
Thanks for the giggle-
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Post by godog on Jun 22, 2008 10:29:02 GMT -5
I thought both sides of this arguement were a little hard on each other. I tend towards to the "natural theory" myself, but I try to understand the manmade theories also. It all gets too sciencey for me to understand, but that's just me. I have lyme also, so the idea that lyme was "hushhush" at one time, is way weird. I don't care what it is, I just wish we could kill it. Sometimes I think we are the unfortunate victims of a "hatch". That the conditions are just right for some parasite or parasites to flourish. This disease is parasitical, but I guess it could be some altared or modified parasite. Some lab-tampered thing. Gosh, who knows, but why argue about it might be years before anything is proven either way. I think the other board should ask him not to bash. And the same should go for here too. I'm sorry he felt he had to leave, as I think we need to kick around all ideas, so to speak.
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 22, 2008 10:39:51 GMT -5
My attempt was not to start this thread to "bash" steve. Only to let others know what he is doing and that he may be involving him. I recieved a PM this am from someone here letting me know that he was writing trash about me on other boards that I didn't even know existed. I don't think he should be allowed to get away with it, so I am bringing it to light. Please end this thread here. I just wanted you all to know the dilly-o many blessings godsgrace
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Post by angela on Jun 22, 2008 10:52:28 GMT -5
I liked his video with the bug scooping out the fiber or hair. Thought that was outstanding. Still, I didn't get where it was related to a sponge. Maybe I need to re-read? The debate with Steve and his group- is not about theories- really. It's about Man-made v Natural. This battle has been going on for years. There is a group that is bound and determined to prove that it is a natural occurrence - despite all the evidence to the contrary. This group will spam any thread that you start - that has potential- to answer questions that relate. The threads will be spoiled- diverted- spammed (in the vernacular). Happens every time. It is obvious the why of the man-made confusion. It's to keep us confused. Or attempt to. With evidence presented to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this malady is related to products- case in point- Mark Darrah and the discovery of the organophosphates, and then this information is discarded, is proof to me that no matter what is researched and presented that is factual and real, it will be ignored and a campaign of old theories will be paraded for the umpteenth time. There was a time on the initial board, when Lyme discussion was verboten. I got a phone call and was told not to post any additional Lyme information - period. It is obvious to me that those culpable (or related to or paid by) are attempting to keep the group going in circles. It's worked for years, after all. It goes both ways. Somehow i feel im being mocked just reading this post...being i believe it is all natural. When i present my theory on a thread, I get the man-made theorist questioning my natural organism theory. If there wasnt any basis for my natural theory (personally) then why would a high profile researcher even bother to set up a diognostic panel/create a synthetic organism to test against its' DNA? Mine is about a theory though......and it just so happens to be natural.
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Post by friskers on Jun 22, 2008 11:53:28 GMT -5
I am sorry that you guys have been talked about on another board like that and since Steve has apologized for it on that thread. Lets not let this divide us
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Post by carla on Jun 22, 2008 11:54:48 GMT -5
Have you all forgotten the conversation you had about Steve last week. It wasn't very nice either. And Bessie and Glenn involved themselves by saying what they did. I ve noticed there is a few others here who dont like your post either. It is not just on the board you didn't know existed carla I doubt you read what he posted because you don't want to know the truth.
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 11:56:15 GMT -5
Angela - "Questioning" your position is healthy debate; trashing, mocking, and ridiculing you here and on other boards is entirely different. He is trying to enlist others in an "overthrow" directed at another board! Well, guess what - MY belief is that HIS insistence is destructive and damaging, but I would never have gone around trashing him and trying to quiet him. Others have questioned whether he was engaging in disinformation, the purpose of which was to confuse people and steer them away from suspicion of wrong-doing. I had been of the opinion that he is stubborn and immature, not willing to allow others to have their views or even report things they have observed - nevermind denying the validity of TRUE scientific findings. I'm not so sure anymore. The lengths that he has gone to is beginning to raise my own suspicion of his motives. Bessie
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 12:02:08 GMT -5
Carla - I can't even figure out what you are saying. Anything that has been said about or to Steve has been prompted by him. He always throws the first punch, and they are sucker shots & kidney punches. However people have responded to these has ALWAYS been kinder than what he has said. Enough is enough. Bessie
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Post by carla on Jun 22, 2008 12:56:18 GMT -5
Bessie, If you read through the threads it was him being personally attacked. He is just an ordinary guy with a family who wants this disease figured out for their sakes. Thats his motivation. carla
Hi Friski ;D
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Post by angela on Jun 22, 2008 13:00:54 GMT -5
Angela - "Questioning" your position is healthy debate; trashing, mocking, and ridiculing you here and on other boards is entirely different. He is trying to enlist others in an "overthrow" directed at another board! Well, guess what - MY belief is that HIS insistence is destructive and damaging, but I would never have gone around trashing him and trying to quiet him. Bessie ------------------- ------------------- bessie Senior Member
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And that's all we need - compare Sponge guy with Jesus Christ. NOW everyone looking here will KNOW this is nutz.......
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Post by angela on Jun 22, 2008 13:26:55 GMT -5
Never?
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bessie quote.... This all started because his VERY vocal insistence that HE is RIGHT was met with some challenge, and that threw him into some kind of narcissistic injury. He can't take being disagreed with and evidently will stop at nothing.
bessie, This really sounds as if you are describing yourself here! Reflecting your own personality and since you know this "self" sooooo well.....making it all the more easier to project it onto someone else .......who disagreed with you!
At the point someone disagreed with you (me)....recently....you pouted and threatened to leave with the "bites the dust" thread. We begged you to stay and you came back better than ever....ready to sink you teeth into who ever disagreed with you next.
This really is getting pathetic when were not being totally honest.
Moving forward and letting go of some (non-morgellon) personal issues will be more productive. Here were just going in circles.
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Post by friskers on Jun 22, 2008 14:47:54 GMT -5
Hi Carlas Im not getting in the middle of this thang besides Im biased because Im in love with Carla ............. ;D but can we please get back to normal and not fight about this anymore.........its very upsetting and affecting my libido I still love you too Ang ;D
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 20:57:22 GMT -5
Angela - Track the sequence...don't start with the reactions, start with the original confrontations. Let's see - I think it was when Steve called Dr. Spencer a "wacko". And from there it escalated. At each turn, he became more abusive, ending finally in trashing people on another board. The reason I was ready to throw in the towel was NOT that people disagreed with ME, but that the scientists who have given so much to help us were being ridiculed. And I changed my mind because I felt that I had a moral obligation to stand up for the incredibly qualified people who are sacrificing much to try to help us.
And, ONCE AGAIN, I NEVER professed my own "theory", I know my limitations, there is nothing to "disagree" with. But I certainly have my opinions about who - among the legitimate scientists and professionals - I believe. Bessie
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 22, 2008 22:36:24 GMT -5
Have you all forgotten the conversation you had about Steve last week. It wasn't very nice either. And Bessie and Glenn involved themselves by saying what they did. I ve noticed there is a few others here who dont like your post either. It is not just on the board you didn't know existed carla I doubt you read what he posted because you don't want to know the truth. Carla, I am not here to win a popularity contest. I couldn't care less who likes my posts and who doesn't. I have already met some fantastic people here in this forum. Not everyone likes everyone. Thank you for reminding us all of that. by the way, what is your beef with me? what have I done to you for you to ridicule me this way? godsgrace
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