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Post by southerndrawl on Nov 1, 2005 20:49:55 GMT -5
so quorum sensing bacteria in algae blooms (or in water period?) and silkworms or silky threads
seemingly innocent algae (see red tide post) which may carry genetic codic, happens to be quorum sensing, is naturally occurring or they blow it around with hurricanes (hmmm) or put in water supply. then they send the cellulose silkies (see texas univ. post) , either sprayed overhead in chemtrails (can't tell if they are depositing something or controlling weather up there) or carried in on clothes.
the algae or the silkie carry multiple DNA - capable of expressing themselves.
once algae or p.aeruginosa reaches quorum, they notice/recognize cellulose/silky fibers (which may also have bacterial dna coding) and they surround them, creating symbiosis, and come to 'life'. if the bacteria is feeding on cellulose, then maybe the whole silky fiber IS ALL DNA coded material which has had 'lag' time until environment/temperature is 98.6.
thoughts?
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gaiapacha = two into one
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Post by Orion*** on Nov 1, 2005 21:13:18 GMT -5
Boy ! That's a head full alright...and complicated just like me LOL
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Post by southerndrawl on Nov 2, 2005 10:25:35 GMT -5
i have been feeling somewhat better for 2 days. and then i drive my son to school and see the [glow=red,2,300]today's local paper HEADLINE[/glow]: www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051102/NEWS/511020502[glow=red,2,300]red tide takes a breather - the air is clear, the fish are alive and no one knows why[/glow] Scientists measure red tide blooms by how many algae cells are in a liter of sea water. Low is 50,000 to 100,000; high is more than 1 million cells per liter. Kirkpatrick said the trigger that ended the bloom could be water circulation patterns in the Gulf that swept the bloom offshore. Bacteria or viruses may also have taken a toll on the red tide. It could just be that the algae are outside their comfort zone -- that water temperature and salinity aren't adequate for their survival. While red tide is natural in local waters, fishermen say the number and intensity of the blooms in recent years is not. "They'll say this is a natural phenomenon," said Sarasota Charter Capt. Jonnie Walker. "I say, so was the plague."this kills fish, dolphins, turtles, ocean life, hmmm i wonder if it's because they can't take GARLIC OREGANO VIT C SILVER flutterby, it hit collier county this summer, and drifted north to the panhandle. it was also blown around by the hurricanes. this gets in your lungs, in the air, everywhere.my brother-in-law in central mississippi 3 hours from the coast (which was bombarded by wind/rain from katrina which blew from through the gulf) has since then been itching and getting rash, sores (lesions?) and nothing helps him. you can catch AVIAN FLU or the flu/cold from BREATHING germs. you can die within 48 hours from breathing the cyanobacteria that is carried in dust storms in africa. water and airborne algae as the carrier (they are invisible) , microbacteria cyano vector. algae can cause biting/stinging, crawling sensations, fatigue, brain fog. lesions. it is a neuro toxin, like a poison in your brain. doesn't explain bugs, but why when bugs examined is everyone told 'it's just skin' ? which flakes off and is carried by the bacteria (like a group of ants carrying a piece of bread) and they form a group, genetically coded with insect DNA, and they then ACT LIKE INSECTS. see SueL post about fiber hiding in worm, which disentigrated into skingoo with a fiber inside, and see flutterby posts. see tam tam post about defective keratin pump. this is in the skin, and its about protein and what comes out of the skin at the follicle. it also doesn't show up in blood tests. if you look up algae toxin you will see that there are NO TESTS FOR IT, as there are no medical tests for mold allergies.skin cell/hair cell affected by dna coding, activates 'plague' - quorum of bacteria/biofilm reaches certain concentration in your body, environment, interacts with fibers/silkies/something and BAM. quorum secretes pheremone type substance which makes you attractive to REAL BUGS too. because it is now in your skin, your blood, your lungs, your brain. then there's the relationship with lyme disease. if you are now sending off pheromones/scent/something and are more attractive to bugs.... and they now determining that all anthropods are capable of being the vector for lyme, then voila, it would stand to reason that you will be bug bait now, getting bit more often, and your chances for contracting lyme are higher. yes, the red tide is gone from here for now, it has moved northward up the gulf, but i am certain that this is still in my body. it has already done it's job. i am now curious to see if there are reports along the north coast or more people registering with morgellons with this or i have really just lost my mind, but i don't think so. somebody stop me, or at least discuss/disprove this with me.
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Post by Spied Her Legs on Nov 2, 2005 12:13:46 GMT -5
So, with all the crazy weather activity over the last 2-3 years, even those of us who are landlocked could have been exposed to red algae...hmmm...but what about the other pests? The mites, the worms and the wasp-like winged creatures?
My theory has been that we all have compromised immune systems in common. Mine and my wife's immune systems were wrecked by mold in our home. Prior to getting this "skinfestation," I had had strep 3 or 4 times and then pneumonia ( I have read that some others have had pneumonia also). It's this compromised immune system which allows the beast(s) access into our bodies where they affect each of us differently, or the beast(s) may be a regional inhabitant which might also expalin the variations in symptoms. I have documented photographically a sample of a worm, a mite, and then some typical "Morg-looking crawlies" which came directly off myself or my wife.
I post this not to contradict your theories--keep them coming--but just as something to consider. But I am firm in my belief that something has had to break down our immune systems for us to suffer so, or else EVERYONE would be affected by it. My son isn't showing any symptoms, nor is my mother and I am in contact with them frequently. I read someone else stating that breastfeeding made their child's immune system strong, and I wholeheartedly believe that. We were "La Leche" parents when my son was a toddler and he, too, nursed until he was almost 4. He never gets sick and can fight off pretty much anything, it seems.
Keep up the good work, SD!
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Post by bugged1 on Nov 2, 2005 12:54:50 GMT -5
i have been feeling somewhat better for 2 days. and then i drive my son to school and see the [glow=red,2,300]today's local paper HEADLINE[/glow]: www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051102/NEWS/511020502[glow=red,2,300]red tide takes a breather - the air is clear, the fish are alive and no one knows why[/glow] Scientists measure red tide blooms by how many algae cells are in a liter of sea water. Low is 50,000 to 100,000; high is more than 1 million cells per liter. Kirkpatrick said the trigger that ended the bloom could be water circulation patterns in the Gulf that swept the bloom offshore. Bacteria or viruses may also have taken a toll on the red tide. It could just be that the algae are outside their comfort zone -- that water temperature and salinity aren't adequate for their survival. While red tide is natural in local waters, fishermen say the number and intensity of the blooms in recent years is not. "They'll say this is a natural phenomenon," said Sarasota Charter Capt. Jonnie Walker. "I say, so was the plague."this kills fish, dolphins, turtles, ocean life, hmmm i wonder if it's because they can't take GARLIC OREGANO VIT C SILVER flutterby, it hit collier county this summer, and drifted north to the panhandle. it was also blown around by the hurricanes. this gets in your lungs, in the air, everywhere.my brother-in-law in central mississippi 3 hours from the coast (which was bombarded by wind/rain from katrina which blew from through the gulf) has since then been itching and getting rash, sores (lesions?) and nothing helps him. you can catch AVIAN FLU or the flu/cold from BREATHING germs. you can die within 48 hours from breathing the cyanobacteria that is carried in dust storms in africa. water and airborne algae as the carrier (they are invisible) , microbacteria cyano vector. algae can cause biting/stinging, crawling sensations, fatigue, brain fog. lesions. it is a neuro toxin, like a poison in your brain. doesn't explain bugs, but why when bugs examined is everyone told 'it's just skin' ? which flakes off and is carried by the bacteria (like a group of ants carrying a piece of bread) and they form a group, genetically coded with insect DNA, and they then ACT LIKE INSECTS. see SueL post about fiber hiding in worm, which disentigrated into skingoo with a fiber inside, and see flutterby posts. see tam tam post about defective keratin pump. this is in the skin, and its about protein and what comes out of the skin at the follicle. it also doesn't show up in blood tests. if you look up algae toxin you will see that there are NO TESTS FOR IT, as there are no medical tests for mold allergies.skin cell/hair cell affected by dna coding, activates 'plague' - quorum of bacteria/biofilm reaches certain concentration in your body, environment, interacts with fibers/silkies/something and BAM. quorum secretes pheremone type substance which makes you attractive to REAL BUGS too. because it is now in your skin, your blood, your lungs, your brain. then there's the relationship with lyme disease. if you are now sending off pheromones/scent/something and are more attractive to bugs.... and they now determining that all anthropods are capable of being the vector for lyme, then voila, it would stand to reason that you will be bug bait now, getting bit more often, and your chances for contracting lyme are higher. yes, the red tide is gone from here for now, it has moved northward up the gulf, but i am certain that this is still in my body. it has already done it's job. i am now curious to see if there are reports along the north coast or more people registering with morgellons with this or i have really just lost my mind, but i don't think so. somebody stop me, or at least discuss/disprove this with me. Hi SD, One thing a lot of you seem to be ignoring is that MI ALONG with TX, FL and SoCA has a high incidence of Morgs. So unless the Great Lakes suddenly became conducive to red tide your theory doesn't hold water (oops, sorry about that pun!). B Well! Chem G
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Post by southerndrawl on Nov 2, 2005 13:34:50 GMT -5
So, with all the crazy weather activity over the last 2-3 years, even those of us who are landlocked could have been exposed to red algae...hmmm...but what about the other pests? The mites, the worms and the wasp-like winged creatures? My theory has been that we all have compromised immune systems in common. Mine and my wife's immune systems were wrecked by mold in our home. Prior to getting this "skinfestation," I had had strep 3 or 4 times and then pneumonia ( I have read that some others have had pneumonia also). It's this compromised immune system which allows the beast(s) access into our bodies where they affect each of us differently, or the beast(s) may be a regional inhabitant which might also expalin the variations in symptoms. I have documented photographically a sample of a worm, a mite, and then some typical "Morg-looking crawlies" which came directly off myself or my wife. I post this not to contradict your theories--keep them coming--but just as something to consider. But I am firm in my belief that something has had to break down our immune systems for us to suffer so, or else EVERYONE would be affected by it. My son isn't showing any symptoms, nor is my mother and I am in contact with them frequently. I read someone else stating that breastfeeding made their child's immune system strong, and I wholeheartedly believe that. We were "La Leche" parents when my son was a toddler and he, too, nursed until he was almost 4. He never gets sick and can fight off pretty much anything, it seems. Keep up the good work, SD! i am sooooo open to anything, obviously, and thank you for your reply. makes me think: i lived on kentucky lake 6 years ago, and had problems with mold in home, feeling sick a lot. since then i have had pneumonia 3 times, and lots of other medical problems, none of which have been 'diagnosable'. was also diagnosed with depression shortly after moving there, vision went downhill, hearing downhill, and started having problems with hands/feet. diagnosis: peripheral neuropathy. numb,burning like acid, feels like have gloves/socks on all the time. lived directly on the water. constant humidity and wind from lake blowing directly into my home. swimming, boating, fishing all the time. big agriculture there too, constantly driving through farmland to get anywhere. lived 45 minutes from town. hrmm. algae is used in agriculture, grows in lakes,streams, ditches, oceans, wherever. my son has lots of medical problems that ARE diagnosable, and is showing all signs of morgellons, but he never gets sick. no colds, pneumonia, etc.
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Post by southerndrawl on Nov 2, 2005 13:35:42 GMT -5
hi chem_g, thanks for posting. it's about the algae, not just the red kind.
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Post by southerndrawl on Nov 2, 2005 15:59:24 GMT -5
PICK A COLORFUL ALGA, THEN PICK A GENE, AND THEN PICK SOME COTTON. AND VOILA! This slow talking Mississippi girl thinks it does hold water. I WANT TO BE WRONG. I hope I haven't been led. [glow=red,2,300]don't dismiss the fibers, people[/glow] I'm off to have a lot of beer and a hamburger and something disgustingly bad for me. I hope I live through it, as my stomach is killing me. can't feel my hands so i hope i can hold the hamburger with my pale white shaky hands (cause i've been staying out of the sun so i'm not producing chlorophyllllllllll). Wouldn't you think this information would be available in a public service announcement? you know one that runs 24 hours at the bottom of the screen on TV? Cyanobacterial harmful algal blooms (CyanoHABs) THIS IS CYANOBACTERIA look up diatoms, diatomaceous earth, hjs.geol.uib.no/diatoms/Industry/index.html-ssi - HAB - harmful algae blooms www.noaa.govwww.cdc.gov/nceh/ciguatera/ www.cdc.gov/hab/redtide/activities.htmRecreational exposure to red tide toxins dispersed in the air. For example, in 2003, CDC completed and reported a pilot study of two separate red tide events in Florida. Occupational exposure to red tide toxins dispersed in the air. For example, CDC has collected respiratory-function data from Florida lifeguards who worked during a red tide event. Currently, CDC is comparing data taken before and after the lifeguards’ work shifts. we are having a red tide event and have been for 10 months. so if it's airborne, then katrina came through, then wilma, who knows where it blew to....... and how many times has this happened? remember hurricane camille that hit gulfport in 1969 [glow=red,2,300]and the piece de resistance, from the Center for Disease Control, and the EPA[/glow]http://www.cdc.gov/hab/cyanobacteria/ www.epa.gov/safewater/ccl/index.htmlCyanobacteria (blue-green algae) www.cdc.gov/hab/cyanobacteria/facts.htmCyanobacteria are bacteria that grow in water and are photosynthetic (use sunlight to create food and support life). Cyanobacteria live in terrestrial, fresh, brackish, or marine water. They usually are too small to be seen, but sometimes can form visible colonies. Cyanobacteria have been found among the oldest fossils on earth and are one of the largest groups of bacteria. Cyanobacteria have been linked to human and animal illnesses around the world, including North and South America, Africa, Australia, Europe, Scandinavia, and China. Cyanobacterial blooms and how they form Cyanobacterial blooms occur when algae that are normally present grow exuberantly. Within a few days, a bloom can cause clear water to become cloudy. The blooms usually float to the surface and can be many inches thick, especially near the shoreline. Cyanobacterial blooms can form in warm, slow-moving waters that are rich in nutrients such as fertilizer runoff or septic tank overflows. Blooms can occur at any time, but most often occur in late summer or early fall. They can occur in marine, estuarine, and fresh waters, but the blooms of greatest concern are the ones that occur in fresh water, such as drinking water reservoirs or recreational waters. What a cyanobacterial bloom looks like Some cyanobacterial blooms can look like foam, scum, or mats on the surface of fresh water lakes and ponds. The blooms can be blue, bright green, brown, or red and may look like paint floating on the water. Some blooms may not affect the appearance of the water. As algae in a cyanobacterial bloom die, the water may smell bad. Cyanobacterial harmful algal blooms (CyanoHABs) CyanoHABs are algae blooms that threaten people, animals, or the environment. They are dangerous for many reasons: Dense CyanoHABs can block sunlight and use up all the oxygen in the water, killing other plants and animals. Some cyanobacteria that can form CyanoHABs produce toxins that are among the most powerful natural poisons known. These toxins have no known antidotes. CyanoHABs can make people, their pets, and other animals sick. Often, the first sign that an HAB exists is a sick dog that has been swimming in an algae-filled pond. Children are at higher risk than adults for illness from CyanoHABs because they weigh less and can get a relatively larger dose of toxin. Other effects of fresh-water CyanoHABs CyanoHABs can make drinking water smell and taste bad. They can make recreational areas unpleasant. Species of cyanobacteria that form CyanoHABs in fresh water Microcystis aeruginosa Anabaena circinalis Anabaena flos-aquae Aphanizomenon flos-aquae Cylindrospermopsis raciborskii Cyanotoxins Cyanotoxins are a diverse group of chemical substances that are categorized by their specific toxic effects as follows: Neurotoxins affect the nervous system. Anatoxin-a Anatoxin-a(s) Saxitoxin Neosaxitoxin Hepatotoxins affect the liver. Microcystins Nodularins Cylindrospermopsin Tumor promoters are chemicals that can increase tumor growth. Microcystins Lipopolysaccharides are chemicals that can affect the gastrointestinal system.
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Post by floridagal1 on Nov 3, 2005 8:38:56 GMT -5
Dear Southern, www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/05/08/70309.phpHave you read this article? At the bottom, Dr. William Harvey, speaks about the kinds of things he found on patients skin. Dr. Harvey is currently a researcher on board with the MRF. Until recently, however, he was a doctor researching Bb, the causitive bacteria in Lyme Borreliosis. His experience with Morgellon's patients led him to believe it wasn't what he found on the skin that was important, but that the skin's immunity had been broken down. I think he implies that he believes in many cases it is the Lyme spirochete that is responsible. He talks about the need to have the body reset the immunity of the skin in patients. However, having said this, one of the things he mentions finding on patients' skin is algae. To your health, Florida Gal
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Post by Southern Drawl on Nov 3, 2005 11:12:33 GMT -5
FloridaGal - THANK YOU
i agree, what's on the skin at this point is secondary, as the rest of my body is falling apart. this would appear to support the algae theory - and thank you for the link.
i did indeed run across that article when i first started looking for information, but haven't been able to find it again somehow. my mother (very badly), my son, ex-boyfriend and a friend of his (very badly) and myself all have those those capillaries surfacing. Interestingly, mother and friend are the two who REFUSE to change their eating habits and lifestyle. i have actually been looking for that article to share with my ex-husband so that he could see the actual picture and look at son's nose and quit feeding son chicken nuggets and soda AND LISTEN TO ME.
and FWIW everyone, I don't believe the sky is falling. nor do i believe in laughing at others theories. respect amongst ourselves is paramount. remember that naivete can view things in a way that education has eradicated.
assuming a position of 'algae poisoning' is one that i personally can use to describe the INTERNAL and some EXTERNAL and MENTAL issues associated with this syndrome/disease, not only because it supports what i need to do, BUT BECAUSE IT MATCHES EXACTLY THE SYMPTOMS WE ARE ALL HAVING. I can send this information to family, son's father, doctor, whoever i need to in order to gain support for my son, and what i am trying to get others in his support group to implement into his lifestyle for his immune system.
this doesn't mean i am not still looking at everything else, and that is not what i am suggesting or implying in any way.
otherwise, what we've gained on the roundabout we've lost on the swings.
humbly, southern drawl
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Post by floridagal1 on Nov 3, 2005 11:26:02 GMT -5
You're welcome, my friend! FG
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Post by skytroll on Nov 3, 2005 11:53:40 GMT -5
Southern and Fla Gal, I found an article on the algae stufff that related to bacteria that was in silkworm that they did release in the wild, IN THE WILD, that could be its connection to the mycocystins, and cylindromspermosus that has been found in the Great Lakes and in smaller lakes, here in MI. so for the dissers and the Great Lakes, there is fresh water algae that exists. It is not red tide, however, there have been purple blooms. I will get the proof of the pudding, but, I do believe Southern, that you have done a wonderful job in searching this out. Also, on the www.euroamericanhealth.com web they talk about the mycozymias, and other things that relate to bacteria, fungus, yeast, and mold and how our bodies break down. It has to do with PH level, as does the algae which fits into bacteria/fungus. If PH in lake is off and bacteria moves in, then fungus, algae have a home. I think the cotton worm was released in wild to see what it would do. I will look for that article on the wild thing.. skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Nov 3, 2005 11:54:22 GMT -5
and I think cellulose is the connection here.
skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Nov 3, 2005 13:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by Southern Drawl on Nov 3, 2005 13:52:39 GMT -5
i can't wait to see that article skytroll! while waiting, i did a little reading. look back at that first post i did READ ME READ ME about the lab experiments with dr. brown, and what they are growing. like growing cotton cellulose or wool in a petri dish, dr. brown? and someone's post about using the absorbent material in buckets from home depot to clean their house. then search up "absorbent cellulose" this is what i came up with: High Performance Specialty Fibers – This term represents a family of fibers that may be high-purity cellulose or cellulose fibers that have been modified chemically or physically. Their applications range from filtration papers to composite material reinforcement to absorbent products. They may be found in consumer products like automotive air and oil filters or NovaThin™ absorbent cores or baby diapers, among others. and who was it that said they swear by their dryer sheets? and some people laughed at them. well according to The World Intellectual Property Organization filings, there may be validation for this - and it's in the form of cellulose. this particular patent is using cellulose as an antimicrobial product in laundry products, and most specifically in dryer sheets. just thought i would throw that in. search cellulose and dryer and sheet www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=01/88081.011122&ELEMENT_SET=DECLit looks like the use of cellulose is pretty widespread in textile industry, and it appears that 'they' are treating/growing fibers with those qualities. and then, so that we don't leave anything out, i keep thinking about what is sprayed from the sky....... and i DONT CARE if it sounds like a conspiracy theory. i just want to know what the chemical composition is, where it was done, and what those properties are generally used for. an overlay map of this would be nice. last, this makes me think, cellulose fibers treated (or grown specifically) to absorb the algae bloom on our bodies, on clothes, everywhere, mysteriously (sprayed overhead or simply put in textiles) comes in contact with body. your body is releasing pheremones at this point that attract insects, that could be living in your skin. those with coccoons, i wonder if those people have those small spider mites that use the cellulose fiber, draw them into the skin from your clothing (as someone has reported here), and wrap another insect living in skin with a fiber that they have gotten off of your clothing. just a thought. did anyone have testing done on a coccoon? and hey, did you know that algae live on rocks in dry arid areas too? allllll over the world. algae is bad, mmmmmkay? SD
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Post by Southern Drawl on Nov 3, 2005 14:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by Chem G on Nov 3, 2005 14:42:50 GMT -5
Sorry to put an end to this SD but I have a background in microbiology. Algae are often much larger than fungal spores, hyphae and filimentous bacteria with which they could be confused. Algae is easily differentiated from a fungi or bacteria under a scope, even a high school kid could tell the difference. Chlorophyl is also extremely easy to look for/analyze. Give the medical profession some credit - the filaments have been analyzed under ESM and FTIR and are all of similar size and not currently associated with any known microorganism, certainly not an algae. They HAVE found two types of bacteria from classic morgs patients. They were to do a DNA sequencing test and try to match up with the known bacterial genome but that was supposed to be a month ago. My friends at Cal Davis could have had that info within 24 hours. My guess is that they've found NO matches and the reason for that is because the DNA was altered. Now if only this Dr. Wymore would consult with the bioengineering companies like Monsanto, then I think we'd get an answer. Hope he's reading.
Be Well,
Chem G
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Post by Chem G on Nov 3, 2005 14:51:27 GMT -5
That gives me an idea!
My symptoms are very light so I wouldn't be a good subject but is anyone reading from the Sacramento area and have full blown Morgs? I can get my friends to do some detective work on their own. They've only got the best DNA lab in the world to play in!
Chem G
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Post by skytroll on Nov 3, 2005 15:24:27 GMT -5
Chem G.
Because of the nematamorph connection, the implant in the wild? Algae and fungi not the same, I agree. When DNA has been altered, then we need DNA specialist to look at it? Dr. Harvey found algae on skin? I did not know you have studied microbiology. Excellent!
Is that bacteria Xenorhabdus? Is this not used to eat metal? Biomass operations?
The cellulose in the algae, spores carrying bacteria? Not the algae itself?
skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Nov 3, 2005 15:27:23 GMT -5
I am not using a conspiracy theory, here, but I agree the Monsanto call from the good Dr. would be good.
skytroll
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