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Post by zabrubon on Jun 1, 2008 23:53:06 GMT -5
you are correct anthill, and i am guilty too.
thanks for all your work and we do appreciate your work.
I will keep my posts in the appropriate tab.
chicagobonnie
p.s. Your not the bad guy.
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Post by zabrubon on Jun 2, 2008 0:09:25 GMT -5
SORRY WRONG THREAD. I SHOULD STAY OFF THE BOARD WHEN I AM TIRED. SORRY.
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Post by freyman on Jun 2, 2008 1:37:29 GMT -5
Sky, My position is not based upon whether or not I believe we, the species, have the ability to create an orgainsm that could exhibit the traits and characteristics that this organism does, even though I seriously doubt that we could, my position is based partially upon my interpretation of the facts and findings resulting from studies of marine invertebrates as well as the studies of human diseases and how these facts and findings correlate with morgellons. In my opinion, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to conclude that there are organisms known to science that are capable of exhibiting many of the characteristics seen in morgellons and a significant amount of evidence to theorize that this organism is of the Phylum Porifera and that it possesses the ability to mimic it's hosts DNA, store it, and then replicate these organisms randomly or at will. In the big picture, I believe that the single characteristic of having the ability to mimic DNA is the sole reason that this parasite has never been detected and if I believe this then I have to wonder just how many diseases could be caused by it. So I began to look at other diseases and I was shocked to find that in every disease i looked at I found a connection to the sponge in one way or another, mostly in relationship to it's production of calcium carbonate(calcite), silicon, collagen, proteins, ammonia, or it's ability to manipulate cell structure and DNA, I had no idea that so many diseases were caused or thought to be caused by one of these factors. One of the diseases I looked at was one that I was diagnosed with at about the same time the rest of my symptoms began was Guillian Barre syndome, a very rare and unusual affliction that science has no explanation for, but now I do, to make a long story short, I am now convinced that Guillian Barre Syndrome is caused by the same organism that is causing morgellons and this affliciton was discovered over 100 years ago, you can't possibly tell me that we had the ability to make this organism back then. So based primarily on my belief that this organism has been causing human diseases for over 100 years I cannot accept the idea that it was created by man.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jun 2, 2008 3:31:25 GMT -5
Dear Steve Frey thank you so much for your post. You are so right Morgellons by another name was discovered over one hundred years ago and I strongly believe that it is NOT MAN MADE I have no scientific education at all. I just go by what I see and feel. I am a down to earth person and do not believe all this airy fairy stuff as far as I am concerned. Yes we do have something really really horrible but it comes from something that has invaded our bodies. I had a frightening episode last night. I was in bed reading a magazine and I had a terrible itch on my left ankle. I kept rubbing it with my right foot but that didn't help, so I got the vaseline out and started rubbing it into the itchy ankle it took quite awhile the itching got worse and I used more and more vaseline and then this stuff came out of my ankle. It was like a cream coloured goo with small bunches of hairs in it. The itching was unbelieable so I kept on rubbing the vaseline in and 11 or 12 of these gooey/hair things came out. I was stunned amazed. The hair was not mine some of it could have been my dogs Steve but THEY CAME OUT OF MY ANKLE!!!! After they werre all out the itching stopped but it is a horrifing thing Steve. I went into the bathroom earlier today and was plucking hairs from my chin when I noticed a white hair curved in my left eyebrow, it took 3 or 4 goes to get it out with the tweezers and I rubbed it off on the bathroom mirror and it moved!!!! it swayed backwards and forwards and then made a horseshoe shape and stopped moving. This is NOT something man made. I will bet my life and my dogs life on it!!!!!!! Thank you once again for your post. Very best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by glennb on Jun 2, 2008 17:23:26 GMT -5
Considering that Morgellons fibers have been matched with fibers contained in the chemtrails one has to wonder if these things aren't man made then how come the chemtrails are found to be full of manmade fibers that are carrying the morgellons pathogen? These fiber lattices have also been found in raindrops. The most obvious culprit for disseminating airborne morgellons pathogeon is through the chemtrails spraying that has been going on for over 10 years now. imo Morgellons disease might be more appropriately called Synthetic Biology Disease. I am sorry to the naysayers (spinmeisters? ) but I find it very hard to believe that this disease which has a very strong artificial, chemical smell to it that has caused many types of insect & parasites to find me a most attractive home to grow in and raise their families in, that causes bizarre symptoms not generally known before by a lifeform that no one has ever seen before, that includes self replicating nano-technology (this is clearly not natural), that causes rivers of silicon to form in the body, that appears to be HIGHLY resistant to any known drug therapy, that has created bizarre nearly invisible to the naked eye critters in my body (like the long white fibers that move and are attracted to human skin and seek it out, these fibers also sense movement recoiling from the approach of objects even when encased in a lucite box to exclude ambiant air breezes as the cause of the movement....well this just doesn't add up to some kind of natural organism being the cause of Morgellons. Then consider that all the original hot spots are in the same city that either a University of California campus with an attached major medical/bio research/ teaching facility or a University of Texas campus with an attached medical/bio research/teaching facility...and that both of these universities are involved in doing bio research for the Dept. of Defense in partnership with Sandia Laboratories... I don't know how you can add that up and come up with "natural organism"! Clearly not!!! This is synthetically created biology. (imo) When I read remarks like Steve Frey's "Why is everyone so insistent that this organism is man-made when everything about it can be explained by nature. Every single detail that Dr Hildy uses as evidence in support of her claim can be explained by nature and in my opinion her stand on this issue does nothing but keep the mainstream from accepting it." I think that either he doesn't have Morgellons and doesn't understand what anyone suffering from this horrid affliction understands or that he has an agenda. What I am hearing when I read remarks like this is "Shut up about the weird stuff and loony toons conspiracy theories as mainstream whatever will throw all morg sufferes into a box and label it crazy people" It's smacks of intimidation to make whatever one has to say about their Morgellons suffering, symptoms and who's behind it fit into a neat safe little box for public consumption and whatever we do, shut up and put up with what the true experience of having this stuff is like.
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Post by skytroll on Jun 2, 2008 19:30:07 GMT -5
Of course nano is from nature. When a little help with iron particles, and carbon sequestered buckyballs are in the mix, do you still call it natural?
Of course, just rerarranging the chemicals. Natural organisms, natural chemicals.
just mix up different. And it is still natural, and natural nanobot.
skytroll
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 2, 2008 19:56:53 GMT -5
Here is a old reference scripturetext.com/daniel/2-43.htmdiatoms are in miry clay, maybe also your sponges. Something serious is definitely mixing badly. I have learned alot and I have my own theory's but the only thing I truly see clearly honestly at this point is my own tail! Frustrating to all to see thru a glass dimly. Some day all comes into light. Unity and strength in numbers are very important at this time . All medical histories , all pictures and theory's welcome so the picture will emerge out of the darkness. Blessings, Lilsissy
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 2, 2008 21:51:16 GMT -5
It is obvious whatever we have has lowered our immune system allowing for the inhabitation of all sorts of parasites. I've been leaning toward the cousin of aids that results in a type of myelopathy H.T.L.V. Here your theory would fit right in as a possible treatment for H.T.L.V. home.ncifcrf.gov/mtdp/Catalog/full_text/Paper190/Paper190.pdfWe will find it together . Answers will come. Blessings to all, Lilsissy Many believe H.T.L.V. which is a lentivirus is from mycoplasma.
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Post by freyman on Jun 2, 2008 22:15:00 GMT -5
liatris, sidney, anthill, roberta, thank you for your support, it is greatly appreciated. Glenn, as much as I would like to give you a piece of my mind I have decided to refrain because you are not worth the time and effort. I took a few minutes to look at the posts you have made here at Lymebusters and it appears as though you are the one with the agenda, you certainly have not contributed anything to this cause, other than your uninformed opinions. I see no indication that you have performed any worthwhile research on anything, except maybe conspiracies, so to even attempt to argue my position with you would be a waste of time. I will say this much in my defense Glenn, I do suffer from morgellons and have for over 14 years and my proof is posted in pics here www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/members/steve-frey.html You may have noticed that I post with my real full name Glenn because I am not affraid, I am proud of what I am doing and I know I am on the right track, if nothing else, atleast I am contributing which is more than you are doing.
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Post by doraisabel on Jun 2, 2008 22:20:10 GMT -5
GlennB,
I totallly agree with what you are saying but there are always going to be people that will try and confuse us even more. Its not just Dr. Hildy saying that this is related to nanotechnology there are many other people that agree that have done their own research and have posted on their websites what their findings are. I think just the fact that some of us eat, apply or use products that were made with synthetic crap is reason enough for s lot of us to be experiencing some of the bizarre symptoms. Our bodies cannot break this stuff up, we cannot digest it so its going to have to affect us in some way or another.
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Post by freyman on Jun 2, 2008 22:40:13 GMT -5
GlennB, I totallly agree with what you are saying but there are always going to be people that will try and confuse us even more. Its not just Dr. Hildy saying that this is related to nanotechnology there are many other people that agree that have done their own research and have posted on their websites what their findings are. I think just the fact that some of us eat, apply or use products that were made with synthetic crap is reason enough for s lot of us to be experiencing some of the bizarre symptoms. Our bodies cannot break this stuff up, we cannot digest it so its going to have to affect us in some way or another. Can you present the findings of this research? I would love to see it, and not just someones opinion but actual studies or tests, chemical composition of the fibers maybe, anything, just present it please so that I may be informed. I am constantly looking for any data that I can find on this disease. I am an open minded individual and if you can present evidence that I cannot account for with my theory I'd be happy to join you on your side.
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Post by doraisabel on Jun 2, 2008 22:49:29 GMT -5
Sure Steve, The first thing you can do is go to Mark Darrahs research, graphs and data post and then do me a favor and try to interpret or find a scientist that can interpret what his findings on the graphs were.
that is the first thing you can do. Second thing you can do is go to Carnicom.com look under chemtrails and find where there were comparisons and studies done with fibers from sufferers as well as fibers that were airborne. Most important thing you can do is try if you can to interpret those graphs or find someone that can.... because after you intepret them you will have some answers as to the chemical composition, but remember you have to find someone that can interpret these. Right after he posted these results is when he was told that he could no longer use their raman technology. A couple days later Fox reported on the nanobots something that had never been reported before not on mainstream media. Come on Steve this is a sign of our times the technology is there why cant this be manmade?
Maybe youre right and youre on to something as well? Who knows? But we cant dismiss that we live in a world that is relying on man made crap.....................
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 2, 2008 22:53:00 GMT -5
Steve
"Morgellons"
- - - A disease in which individuals have the growth of fibers from their skin that burn at 1,700 degrees F and do not melt. (20)(* see below) A private study to determine the chemical and biological composition of these fibers has shown that the fibers' outer casing is made up of high density polyethylene fiber (HDPE). The fiber material is used commonly in the manufacture of fiber optics. There is no history of the individual in that industry or coming into contact with this material. It was further determined that this material is used throughout the bio nanotechnology world as a compound to encapsulate a viral protein envelope, which is composed of a viron (1/150th times smaller than a virus) with DNA, RNA, RNAi (mutated RNA) or RNAsi linear or ring plasmids for specific functions. (21, 22) Toxicological pathology identification of tissue biopsies from an individual diagnosed with Morgellons revealed the presence of continual silica or glass tubules with the presence of silicone. (23) Dr. Staninger's full paper presented at conference
Anyone know if silicone is found ANYWHERE in the human body, naturally?
If you can give us info that says yes, we will be glad to look it over.
thanks
godsgrace
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 2, 2008 22:54:00 GMT -5
Oh, I mean with the exclusion of breast implants...LOL
gg
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Post by doraisabel on Jun 2, 2008 23:02:15 GMT -5
there are many images as well have you seen the golden head? go to rense. com there are many images there as well as findings from different doctors including MD.s
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 2, 2008 23:16:17 GMT -5
silicon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siliconsilicone en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiliconeBIG DIFFERENCE why are we finding silicone in human bodies? It is used to make nonstick pans,medical applications, sealants, lubricants and are obviously MAN MADE Awful bold statement Steve..."It's not man-made" not sure you should throw that idea completely out the window... godsgrace
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 2, 2008 23:20:00 GMT -5
perhaps natural in origin but manipulated?
Mycoplasma was of natural origins until they started manipulating it and making it more deadly.
gg
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Post by skytroll on Jun 3, 2008 0:02:15 GMT -5
Steve,
Do sponges have silica in them? just silica not silicone or silicon
You may be right, that it is natural, a nano can be natural.
No synthetic, evolution became synthetic, that is one thing we have to recognize.
But, nano can grow on its own. mmm maybe opening the thermal vents, the mud volcanoes have set off "spontaneous replication" and it just goes up the food chain.
godsgrace, that was teflon, the non stick pans.
These black fibers look like teflon to me.
Skytroll
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Post by freyman on Jun 3, 2008 0:11:44 GMT -5
Okay you two slow down, there is only one of me afterall and I am only human, but I would be happy to address each and every one of the points you brought up. Regarding Marks graphs, I jumped on the opportunity to analyze the new data that Mark was presenting, it was the best information that I had seen in a long time and I do believe that this technology will provide the answer some day, I anxiouxly await for Mark to find another source. As far as what he posted, I labored for weeks trying to educate myself, even just a little, in this field which I had no previous knowledge of and I searched long and hard for published spectras that might match what Mark had posted. Since my knowledge here was greatly lacking I cannot be confident of anything I found but I do think that I found evidence to suggest that the peaks on the graphs that were in the 2900 neighborhood could be silicon related, I also believe there are peaks that may indicate collagen as well as calcite and proteins, all of these are produced heavily by the sponge, in fact the sponge combines silicon and protien to form silicateins. Here I will also address all of your silicon related questions. The sponge is a silicon producing machine, nothing does it better than the sponge. It uses silicon combined with proteins and organic material to make it's spicules and it uses collagen to make spongin, all of this biomineralization is variable depending on it's environment so living within the human body who knows what deviations might be seen. Bottom line, if it's protein or silicon or collagen or calcite related it supports the sponge theory. Regarding the high melting point of the fibers, I had previously addressed this issue but will be happy to do so again, silicon has a melting point above 2500 degrees F, sponge spicules being comprised of silicon/silica would logically have a high melting point, I have not searched much for data documenting the melting point of sponge spicules because of their variablity, there may be some information out there somewhere I just don't know. Regarding the composition of the fibers having the outer casing of HDPE I offer you this: www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=sea-sponge-inspires-bettewww.trnmag.com/Stories/2003/091003/Sponges_grow_sturdy_optical_fiber_091003.htmlRegarding the silicon/silicone issue, if it is indeed a fact that silicone has been found associated with morgellons then I shall look furthur into the possiblility of the sponge producing something along this line, eventhough science says silicone does not occur in nature, they also say morgellons isn't real either so what the hell do they know. The sponge does combine organic and inorgainic material and it does ingest, store, alter, and use chemicals of all kinds so in my opinion it would not be out of the question for the sponge to create something similar to silicone. It's getting late so I will end this post here and address any points I missed tomorrow.
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 3, 2008 8:04:42 GMT -5
This debate has been very educational . The truth emerges .
lilsissy
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