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Post by liatris on Sept 5, 2008 23:42:34 GMT -5
MFrmCan -- I looked into the MMS thing awhile ago and spoke with doctor who had been researching it. He spoke with Humble and then to ld me that Humble's protocol called for taking it once, twice and then usually three times maximum. They both felt there was a lot of danger in taking it on an on-going basis. His reorted successes with malaria used it in this more limited way. The people who are marketing it are the ones who are telling people to keep taking it. Just because a person is not healed after a few doses does not mean that taking more will be the answer. The MMS may simply not be the whole answer - or, for some, may not be what they should be taking at all.
The problems that occur are similar to those associated with antibiotic use. You wipe out your beneficial gi tract flora (bacteria) and that imbalance is not so easily corrected by taking probiotics.
It is certainly possible that a portion (large or small ?) of your discomfort is not from Herxing but from wacking your gi tract out. Of course, that can have a deterimental effect on your whole body.
Unless you see obvious significant changes in the actual long-term symptoms you are trying to get rid of, I would really consider whether you are getting more benfit or harm. All the loose stools and such may not be getting rid of bad things - but rather may be due to over-use of an antimicrobial. Hard call but I thought you should know what Humble, the developer thinks about this long-term protocol that people are using.
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 6, 2008 0:53:39 GMT -5
liatras, thanks for your concern but you have obviously not read Jim Hubbles' book which you can down-load from his official site www.miraclemineral.org/aboutauthor.php I am have had greater success with this treatment than antibiotics, antiparasites, vitamins, pain killers etc. I have been suffering greatly for 8 years. Its' kind of like a personal choice and many people, such as yourself, may just chose not to try it for their own reasons..
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Post by liatris on Sept 6, 2008 1:13:11 GMT -5
liatras, thanks for your concern but you have obviously not read Jim Hubbles' book which you can down-load from his official site www.miraclemineral.org/aboutauthor.php I am have had greater success with this treatment than antibiotics, antiparasites, vitamins, pain killers etc. I have been suffering greatly for 8 years. Its' kind of like a personal choice and many people, such as yourself, may just chose not to try it for their own reasons.. mfromcanada, I did not read absolutely every word in both parts, but my doctor friend said that he did. I did read quite a lot of all that and I do not recall Jim Humble suggesting that people keep taking it beyond a few times. Maybe I missed something and my doctor friend misunderstood what Jim Humble was saying in their conversation. Did you see any references to Jim suggesting more than the three doses ? And if your Morg symptoms are getting better, great ! I did not read every one of your posts but got the general idea that you were mainly having discomfort that you interperated as cleansing reactions, etc. perhaps as opposed to relief from the Morg symptoms that would be the end result.
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Post by scrambo on Sept 6, 2008 1:57:18 GMT -5
mfromcanada, Thank you for your information. I definitely think minerals are a key for us, especially sodium. I think the 'low salt' dietary ideas lead to lots of problems.
I followed the sodium chloride/Vitamin C regimen on lymephotos.com for a year and it definitely helped my Lyme symptoms.
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 6, 2008 10:52:59 GMT -5
liatris, Here is the protocol cut and pasted from Jim Humbles' official site. If you read the entire protocol you will see that you are incorrect.
2. The Standard MMS Protocol
Note: When following the instructions below, keep this paragraph in mind. Always activate the MMS drops with one of the food acids, either lemon juice drops, or lime juice drops, or citric acid solution drops (to make citric acid solution add 1 level tablespoon of citric acid and 9 tablespoons of water. Store it in a bottle with a lid.) Always use 5 drops of one of these food acids to each one drop of MMS, mix in a empty dry glass and wait at least 3 minutes, then add 1/3 to 2/3 glass of water or juice and drink. (You can expand the 3 minutes out to 10 minutes, and after adding the juice or water you can wait up to an hour before drinking.)
1. All protocol for taking MMS in the Americas starts with one or two drops. Never start with more than one or two drops. People who are very sick and/or sensitive should start with ½ drop. Activate the drops as given above.
2. If you do OK and do not notice nausea on the first dose, increase by one drop for the second dose. If you notice nausea reduce the amount of MMS for the next dose. Do two doses a day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Continue to increase by one drop each time you take a new dose. When you notice nausea, reduce the dose by one drop, or bad diarrhea reduce by 2 or 3 drops. Usually reduce for one or two times before going back the amount that it took to make you nauseous.
Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is not a bad sign. The body is simply throwing off poisons and cleaning itself out. Everyone says that they feel much better after the diarrhea. You do not have to take any medicine for the diarrhea. It will go away as fast as it came. It will not last. It is not real diarrhea as the body is just cleaning out, and it is not caused by bacteria or virus. When the poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone.
3. Continue to follow the procedure given in 2 above. Until you reach 15 drops twice a day without nausea. At that point increase to 3 times a day. Stay at 3 times a day for at least one week and then reduce the drops to 4 to 6 drops a day for older people and 4 to 6 drops twice a week for younger people. Note: Once you have completed step 3 above most of the viral, bacteria, mold, and yeast load will be gone from your body. Your body will be clean. You no longer have to worry about feeding the microorganism load. You can base you diet on nutrition, rather than not feeding the load. The diabetes will be gone, thus you no longer need to worry about sugar. You won't have to worry about the pancreas over reacting thus giving you a shock of insulin. Instead it will give you just enough insulin to knock the blood sugar lever to the right level (You won't feel sleepy after eating a candy bar). Your body will then be able to easily adsorb vitamins and minerals and many other nutrients it might have been missing up to this time. You should feel better as time goes by. Do not quit taking the MMS.
For Children: The protocol for children is essentially the same. One should usually start at 1/2 drop. Just make a one drop drink and pour out 1/2 of the drink before giving it to the child. Then increase from 1 to 2 to 3 drops as given above, but do not go beyond 3 drops for each 25 pounds (11.4 kg) of body weight. With a baby start with 1/2 drop and increase to one drop up to 2 drops, but no more. So if you give 1/2 drop in the morning wait until the afternoon before giving 1 drop and then the next morning for 2 drops. It the baby or child should become nauseous wait an extra hour or two before giving another dose and also give a smaller dose. Give smaller doses until the baby or child can tolerate more, but do not stop giving doses.
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Post by liatris on Sept 6, 2008 11:33:25 GMT -5
mfromcanada -
Thanks for all that. Hmm... I am going to have to speak to dr friend about his conversation with Jim Humble. The two protocols vary so much. Perhaps Jim has changed his approach since he facilitated all those with malaria in the beginning.
Thanks again, and continued success.
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 6, 2008 14:32:58 GMT -5
Today I began with 7 drops. I had a loose bowel movement and noticed black specks inside of the matter again. I still have way way more energy than I have had in years. Next I did another 7 drops. Did 8 drops for last dose for a total of 22 drops for the day.
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Post by liatris on Sept 6, 2008 15:46:08 GMT -5
The - more energy than you have felt in years- sounds wonderful.
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Post by godog on Sept 6, 2008 15:48:09 GMT -5
M, thankyou for posting your mms protocol and results. I have Jim Humble's book but haven't bought the stuff yet, so broke these days. But I am very interested in your postings. Thankyou.
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Post by bannanny on Sept 7, 2008 23:07:23 GMT -5
I'm lovin it if you are! Thanks so much for posting all about the reactions you're having mfromcananda....... and the improvements especially. How long will you be doing this for? I probably read it here somewhere already....... but for my brain, that would be a very looooong time ago.
The best best best of luck to you!
Waiting to hear and lookin forward ~~ bannanny
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 8, 2008 2:58:44 GMT -5
On Sunday I did 3 doses each of 8 drops for a total of 24 drops. The protocol is posted in this thread. No diarrea today. Black specks in the bowel movement. Quick sharp pains in area of heart, spleen, anus and above left knee to the left side. Again I removed about 20 black white tipped fibers from my clean socks which were between 1/2 inch and probably about 4 inches for the longest one. The really long one was clear all the way through and more tube like, not narrow at one end. It seemed a lot like fine fishing line or lava lamp fiber. I feel quite bloated this evening though, like I am full of gas. I did have a nap of about 1 hour today. I had stabbing pains in my right hip and a very bad headache. I took 2 Tylenol #3 at bedtime for the headache. I did 27 drops today.
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 9, 2008 10:08:44 GMT -5
Today I took 9 and 9 drops and plan to take 26 drops for the total. I woke up very early this morning full of energy. I just couldn't stay asleep any longer. I guess I really did not need the nap I took yesterday. I feel very bright eyed this morning. I went for a long walk and again no need for a nap. On the walk again I sat down and checked my socks in the sun. There was a very long turquoise coloured fiber in my socks which I removed a twisted up together. One end of the twisted fiber was moving like a mad hatter differently than my normal hair. Interesting is that my daughters friend has been staying with us and her very short hair is died blue. My bowel movement was a bit loose but definately not diarrea. Some of the white material/designs under my skin appear to be trying to break through in a couple of places on my right arm. My face is quite itchy, like there is fuzz on it. My mouth/throat were very dry on my walk. There was a brownish smudge on my left big toe on the underside. I rubbed it and a small black twisted fiber came out which was about 2/3 inch long. Also, lots of waxy yellowy stuff can be rubbed off the bottom of my feet and from the front of my lower calves. My muscles are way more flexible than they have been in years and my stamina has also increased. Just pulled a reddish brown fiber from my left hand which was just sitting there. It was about 6 inches long and narrower at one end. My scalp has a couple of itchy bumps/morgellons. My lips are a bit better but still infested with morgellons. Scalp is quite itchy and yet I washed my hair today. Forgot to mention that I have noticed occasionaly a pain going up my spine.
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Post by toni on Sept 9, 2008 10:11:20 GMT -5
Mfromcanada,
That is such great news! Thank you very much for posting your results-it's so important.
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Post by dugpile on Sept 9, 2008 23:06:26 GMT -5
Hi, I just ordered from e-bay. Only $13.00 shipping included.I think its $18.00 if ordered with citrus activator.
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 10, 2008 18:41:27 GMT -5
Today I took 9 drops for each of 3 doses. I woke with a lot of energy. I went for a walk and had pain in my right hip, stabbing, felt like in the muscle. I also had some pain in my arms in the muscle as well. These are my usual symptoms of pains in my arms feel as though I am being eaten alive. Today the pain is back for some reason. My eyes were not sensitive to the sunlight today for the first time in years. Again the mottling on my thighs is way less noticeable. My lips are still a mess and the area around my lips. I just keep putting on the vaseline.
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Post by beckybailey on Sept 11, 2008 8:08:01 GMT -5
Check out these websites, I didn't see them posted. I have been taking the MMS for a week or so. Increased energy, clear minded, fewer morgs symptoms. I am continuing the light therapy as it is also awesome. jimhumble.biz/?page_id=25mmsadvisor.com/
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Post by toni on Sept 11, 2008 8:31:48 GMT -5
Mfromcanada,
I hope you're okay. Are your symptoms getting worse? That sounds awful what's happening, and I know it's just as bad not knowing if what you're experiencing is a good thing, or not. I'm really concerned.
BB, that first link you posted, do you know if he has Morgellons? It looks like he lives here to in Vegas.
Thanks
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Post by mfromcanada on Sept 11, 2008 14:00:20 GMT -5
toni, I can't understand why you think that my symptoms are getting worse as this is just not true, I am much much better. It is hard to explain just how much I have been suffering since the year 2000.
BB, Just like me you have a clearer mind and a lot more energy. I just can't believe how much more energy I have. My fibromylagia muscles are a lot more flexible in that I can even run a little bit.
Today I will do 28 drops. I went for a walk and picked black berries. I checked my socks and there was only a couple of fibers in them. Then, I stepped in some dog pooh and had to wash my shoes which left them a little wet. My socks got a bit wet and I could feel that biting sensation. I checked my socks and there were numerous sharp black, white tipped fibers. The dampness in my shoes seems to have made them come out. They seem to want the moisture. After my second dose I felt kind of sick so I took about a 2 hour nap. When I woke I had a very very loose bowel movement. I forgot to mention that throughout this treatment so far I have had several very deep stabbing pains in very odd places such as the midst of my thigh and just inside my right thumb in the palm. Not one every day but several nontheless. They feel as if something was killed off. My lips are still bad. I made a diluted solution on the MMS and sodium chlorite, waited 3 minutues and diluted with water. I sprayed in on my skin but didn`t really notice any effect. I still feel best way to treat this is internally but I guess we will see.
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Post by toni on Sept 11, 2008 14:22:21 GMT -5
Mfromcanada,
Oh oh oh...yes I see. I was focusing too much I think on the pains you are having, not realizing that they're getting much better than you had happening before, but I was concerned about the pain being back (in your back).
I am very glad good things are happening, and I hope that pain goes and stays gone for you.
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Post by liatris on Sept 11, 2008 22:00:54 GMT -5
Mfromcanada,
I am sorry to hear that you stepped in dog pooh. People think I am too cautious about it, but I go twhat I got from dog pooh and I just want to say that when attempting to get all of the microbes in the pooh and all of the pooh off with water is virtually impossible. If the shoes were made of a slick, non-porous material with no seams, it could work as long as no splatter got into the inside. But even with a lot of wiping it off of a porous material, microbiologically speaking, a lot of parasites, larva, etc would be left and I think that the dampness of the shoe would just serve to help grow the residual critters. I know another woman with Morgs who got it after she stepped in dog pooh. If possible, I would toss them, the socks and seriously wash your feet. If you feel that you are not vulnerable to skin infections, then I guess you may not be a so much of a risk. Just had to mention it because I think it is potentially very dangerous. Taking walks is dangerous !
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