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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 14, 2009 22:11:29 GMT -5
Hi I apoogise to everyone for my typing errors. I have my hands in splints and typing is difficult and at times I am sooo tired to mend my mistakes. Love and hugs to all. Roberta.
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Post by kammy on Feb 15, 2009 3:50:26 GMT -5
'Ya'all' (as we say down South) are educating me, you see, I'm just a sponge - I'm taking in every little aspect of everything you're saying and it's going in this 'computer brain' of mine... I'm processing, and thinking... I have a bunch of questions.
My strong attributes are that I have a photographic memory, I was a computer programmer, I can get from A to Z with logic, and there's a secret here. I realize that fear is a big factor, I can tell you that we are divinely guided... and that there is nothing to fear. The truth will be known - eventually.
I'm going to have to buy the microscope and show you - myself. I'm going to study your posts and come up with my questions. And, my #1 question is: How's everybody getting those floating hearts to show in their photographs, that's just too cool? lol
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Post by kammy on Feb 15, 2009 3:52:56 GMT -5
Hi I apoogise to everyone for my typing errors. I have my hands in splints and typing is difficult and at times I am sooo tired to mend my mistakes. Love and hugs to all. Roberta. Roberta, what's going on with you? Bless your heart, why are your hands in splints?
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Post by kammy on Feb 15, 2009 14:24:05 GMT -5
I just did a search on "genetic modifications in trees" and came across this site which I find very interesting. investincanada.gc.ca/eng/industry-sectors/enabling-technologies/ag-biotech.aspx?WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=44&gclid=CNfw9diW35gCFRadnAodYjY_dQHere's a quote from this page: "Canada is a global leader in the agro-food sector, with one of the highest activity rates for firms in agro-food applications among the OECD countries (28%). Canadian firms’ revenues exceed those of US agro-based companies and are more than double those of Japan and the UK. The results are not surprising given that: Between 2002 and 2005, the number of hectares planted with genetically-modified (GM) crops increased by 53% in Canada , compared with 28% in the US. Canada has the highest intensity for field trials of specific traits of new GM plant varieties. The share of all domestic field trials for agronomic traits has increased the most in Canada at 22% vs. 17% in the US in 2005. " If Canada is the GM leader and according to the map of where Morgellons lives... and Canada isn't showing signs of Morgellons - isn't this interesting?
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Post by kammy on Feb 15, 2009 14:29:07 GMT -5
Here's an interesting article on tree breeding: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4107/is_200309/ai_n9239031"Two species from the genus Agrobacterium (A. tumefaciens and A. rhizogenes) have been used for gene transfer into trees (Pena and Seguin 2001). A small section of the bacterial DNA, known as T-DNA, is transferred into and expressed within the plant nuclear genome. Agrobacterium tumefaciens, the causative agent for crown gall disease, is widely used after the functional deletion of the auxin and cytokinin biosynthetic genes from the Ti, or tumor-inducing, plasmid. A separately replicating plasmid, known as a binary vector, can be introduced and used to deliver desired genes into the plant cell, from which phenotypically normal transgenic trees can be regenerated (Gartland and Davey 1995). Agrobacterium rhizogenes, responsible for hairy root disease, transfers genes from an Ri, or root-inducing, plasmid (Kaneyoshi and Kobayashi 1999). A feature of this disease is the formation of profuse, fluffy white roots at the site of inoculation (Figure 1). This enhanced rooting may be of value for urban trees in helping establishment or in surviving transplant shock or drought stress (Herschbach and Kopriva 2002). Additionally, the Ri plasmid may be valuable in promoting the rooting of prized scion stocks without the need to graft to a root stock. Trees regenerated from hairy roots are frequently dwarf in stature, often with reduced internode distance and pronounced leaf wrinkling (Gartland and Davey 1995). Such trees may be attractive for streetscape, park, or domestic garden situations and may have occurred spontaneously in some plant species without human interference."
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Post by kammy on Feb 19, 2009 12:37:30 GMT -5
It could be many reasons why Canada isn't showing up as a "sick with Morgellons" country on this particular map. Does anyone know of another link to a world map besides this one?
I was thinking... I'm going to express some of my subjective thoughts and feelings out here, even though, I probably shouldn't since this is a 'science arena'... the way I feel about it is - if I have these thoughts or feelings, then probably someone else does too?
Here's the sad, 'sick' part of our 'condition'...
Somebody, somewhere, knows 'something' about our disease. Somebody knows exactly what is happening or what has happened to us, and I believe, there's several 'somebodies' in various sectors. And, 'somebody' has the power to change all this and yet, they sit idly by.
The travesty is this: we are suffering and being tortured here! We have a disease that is like no other, we've come to realize that our bodies have been 'taken over' by some hideous thing that's inside of us - and as we terrifyingly accept our fates, that there is nothing known to man that will rid this... (If there is something known - it's not common, public knowledge at this time.) And here we are desperately searching... looking to each other for support and answers - because, that is all we have. I think it's very, very strange - the way this disease has been approached by our government, scientists and doctors in our 'so-called' advanced medical and science age of 2009?
What are the people in power doing to help us, so far? Nothing. Sure, our CDC has been 'forced' to look at this - only because it continues to grow and more have complained. I can bet you a million dollars that if the initial people that came down with Morgellons were the only ones, we would not even know what Morgellons is - today! They have ignored and negated us, they do not even give us a way to know that our neighbor has this, so we can help and support each other, nor even collect data to find out our numbers, locations and growth? And, you know that they have some information in this 6 months of this current study that they could pass along to our doctors to help us, they have a clue by now, wouldn't you think? And yet... the silence and our suffering continues...
At this point, in the history of this new, emerging, man-made disease - we have had almost no or very little support. People are losing everything to this disease! Their homes, jobs, cars, family, loved ones, their health, financial ruin, alienated by their communities, friends, and even our medical professionals have turned their backs on us! Some people cannot tolerate this 'thing' that's inside them, only the strong can live with this, yes, it is taking so much away from our quality of living, permanently disabling us, and even to the point of causing some of us to take our own lives because we cannot cope. This disease is the most hideous, insidious thing that could EVER happen to a human!
And the 'creators' of this disease or the people who have been informed - who know what's going on, and are not stepping up to the plate, and telling us what's happened, for whatever reason - are the same as sadists and murderers!
I'm praying that whoever you are - you can grow a conscious, step forward somehow and help us! Do the right thing! This isn't about me, this is about thousands of people around the world that are being tortured to the point of taking their own lives and man's entire future health on this planet, your children's and grand children's! Stop this madness, stop this path to destruction in the name of industry, politics, science or money! Our blood is on your hands! Pretend there might be a God in heaven and that you might have to go before Him on Judgement Day and answer for your actions and especially for your silence as people suffer or die everyday? - and wonder that possibly what 'bad' you sow, you might reap ten times over?...
The laws say, that if you are a witness to someone being murdered and you don't do anything to help them, you are an accomplice to that murder!... YOUR silence is the same as inhumane torture and murder! Do you think that you can hide much longer as we find out more? Do you think your actions will NOT eventually be known?
If this is innocent 'experimentation' that's gotten out of hand and 'unknowns' that have caused this disease to happen, then, tell us, so we can proceed to fix it, make it better, and inform our health care professionals so they can help us! We can accept an 'accident' - but, what is not acceptable is your continued... silence...
Yes, we're all a little afraid here... who knows who's watching and what their motivations are in stopping the truth being known? And, the 'whistle blower'... how many times have we heard of them mysteriously disappearing?... Well - I don't care if they take me 'out' for having this disease, and having a brain and a mouth... and speaking up... I keep a gun nearby... and, you can't imagine how many times, I've looked over at it ... and thought about using it... I'm near 'dead', anyway... this is no quality of life! At this point, I'd rather die quickly than to be slowly and miserably tortured day in and day out...
I realize we don't have full First Amendment rights... anymore... I'm not stupid... Dear God in heaven, help us to find a way to let the truth be known?
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Post by kammy on Feb 19, 2009 13:40:54 GMT -5
I have a little more advancement in my theory but I need some scientific data to base my statements on. I've ordered a cheap microscope/camera from eBay which will be here shortly... but, for those of you out there, just to show a sampling - is anyone still in an actively producing the "seeds/pollen/black specks" - that has a microscope that can show us what your's looks like?
I think it's also very, very interesting that most all the photographs of Morgellons has been of the fibers or of the 'tumor-like things' that have been removed from under the skin - that the one thing that defines a disease is that we all have certain things in common.
It seems that the fiber part of the disease has been the biggest area of concentration? That most of us are producing the 'black specks' and they have had almost zero attention?
Can anyone find a link to a 'black speck, seed' photograph or remember seeing one to post here?
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Post by imblownaway on Feb 19, 2009 13:56:04 GMT -5
I remember seeing one along time ago. I can't remember who when or where. But I do remember that the poster"s picture of the magnified black speck was some type of bug.
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Post by kammy on Feb 20, 2009 0:00:14 GMT -5
I remember seeing one along time ago. I can't remember who when or where. But I do remember that the poster"s picture of the magnified black speck was some type of bug. That is very interesting! I find it hard to believe! If it was a bug, and as many of us that have microscopes, we'd be comparing our 'pets'... just human nature... or, we'd be soliciting every entomologist available to identify it? I saw where another lady posted that it consisted of the fibers also. Well... if that's true - then why did the microbiologist on the Morgellons site say it was 'paratisized pine pollen'? The jury is out - we need to look at this and see what's going on - this disease is 20 years old and nobody's seen a photo of our 'black specks', what's up with this? lol When I first erupted, I had some that were very, very large and a florescent blue (not found in nature), wait until you see those!
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Post by felixwillford on Feb 20, 2009 0:15:09 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Feb 20, 2009 0:38:16 GMT -5
I have a lesion on my hand that's been there for 3 months, and you know what it reminds me of? You've seen those black spots on tomatoes? Well... I think it's family member of the black stuff on our fresh vegetables, the bacillus family. This is also strange - I didn't have water recently due to a water main break, so my dishes sat around for a week. And, mostly, in my coffee cups, I keep finding these bacillus 'buttons' growing, they look like a small round piece of algae, but, they are black. I don't know if they growing off of some debris that's come off my body and landed in there, or if the coffee bean is grown or injected with them, which is what I suspect. This is what I'm seeing growing in my coffee cups: Bacillus Subtilis: What I'm going to recommend to anyone who keeps getting sick is a diet protocol of not eating anything with pesticides or where bacillus is used in its processing. And see if you have any improvement, and also help me build this list, this is not from researching - it is from observation only. I've noticed carrots, tomatoes, potatoes, onions, all have the black spots or black dust (bacillus) on them. Let's avoid these - I'm recommending we use canned vegetables and add a supplement to your diet. I believe that the bacillus might be removed or lesser in the canning process? Or, that by these vegetables not being raw, might be better for us - at this time. Coffee is suspect. I'm not sure which brands do and do not use the bacillus in their production. If you want to know, leave some coffee sitting in a cup for 5 days or more and it will be evident, the bacillus will be floating on the top and growing. I believe that some breads are suspect. Get your bread at your health food store. Don't eat any known pesticide laden foods, such as corn, soy, sugar beet, white rice... If you're not sure, just leave your cooked food sitting out for a few days - and you will see the black mold looking, bacillus growing in this time. And, by all means, buy you a thinner (usually cheaper) toilet paper, do not use the fluffier ones or the ones with Aloe, until we know more.
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Post by kammy on Feb 20, 2009 0:53:40 GMT -5
Thanks, K... That looks like coal. So, Mark is finding that the black specks have a crystal-like property, also? Interesting... I believe the woman who said that the black specks were made up of the fibers also, said that she ground them up before she put them on her slide. We'll have to look at more than one to know more. And, Mark's photo is too close - here's an example of what I'm looking for: Pine pollen is very easily identified by the 'wings'. Pretend like this is Mickey Mouse and those are his ears? We're looking for a somewhat-round object that has 'wings' or 'ears', and that's how we'll know if it is or isn't from the pine tree. We need a photo that shows the whole thing.
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Post by kammy on Feb 20, 2009 1:40:38 GMT -5
www.mindfully.org/GE/Bacillus-thuringiensis-Bt.htmBt is a species of bacteria that has insecticidal properties affecting a selective range of insect orders. There are at least 34 subspecies of Bt1 (also called serotypes or varieties) and probably over 800 strain isolates. Bt was first isolated in 1901 in Japan from diseased silk-worm larvae. It was later isolated from Mediterranean flour moths and named Bacillus thuringiensis in 1911. It was not until 1958 that Bt was used commercially in the United States. By 1989, Bt products had captured 90-95 per cent of the biopesticide market. Mode of ActionWhen conditions for bacterial growth are not optimal Bt, like many bacteria, forms spores. Spores are the dormant stage of the bacterial life cycle, when the organism waits for better growing conditions. Unlike many other bacteria, when Bt creates spores it also creates a protein crystal. This crystal is the toxic component of Bt.Bacillus thuringiensis var. israelensis:Very little is known about the natural ecology of Bt It occurs naturally in many soils. In one study, Bt was isolated from 70 per cent of soil samples taken from around the world, and was most abundant in samples taken in Asia. More than half of these isolates were undescribed varieties of Bt46 Bt has also been isolated from insect bodies, tree leaves and aquatic environments. 7 It has even been recovered from paper.
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Post by kammy on Feb 20, 2009 1:52:55 GMT -5
I'm trying to prove is that these 'black specks/seeds' are NOT pine pollen, as has been reported.
I believe they are in the bacillus family or are a partial mutated variation of it.
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Post by imblownaway on Feb 20, 2009 11:38:44 GMT -5
Yes I agree Kammy this whole thing stinks. We shouldnt have to be figuring this out on our own. I dont think the black specs are a bug either. There is no excuse for this kind of neglect. Someone should know something by now.
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Post by kammy on Feb 20, 2009 23:15:30 GMT -5
TY, Imblownaway, I couldn't have said it better! This is neglegence and malpractice by our doctors - we know it. We shouldn't have to be buying microscopes and trying to figure this out, ourselves! Why aren't our resources being utilized - at all! (our trained professionals, scientists with the proper equipment to see and test the pathogens, and the Governmental installations already in place that are equiped to aid us?)
Alright, let's say for the sake of looking at what's happened to us, that this is our own scientists here in our country, who through accidential or ignorant means, has 'introduced' these pathogens into our products and have caused this disease to come about?
And, we started reporting Morgellons in 2002 to our U.S. Government military installation in charge of handling emerging, new diseases, the CDC - in which they have ignored this disease, almost entirely. Why is that?
How does this fact make the average American feel? What is the description of the CDC's and the WHO's function? What are our billions of tax dollars going for? How much confidence do we have in our 'protectors' now? - is the CDC going to handle the NEXT emerging disease that comes along the same way? What if the next disease is something that had been 'planted' here by a foreign country that was angry at us, for whatever reason, and was highly contagious?
Who's writing the protocol for the CDC to follow when they are informed of a new emerging disease? Who's in charge of dismissing a new disease and giving it a label as a mental disorder without investigating it? Is this status quo over there? Well... if it is - we already know we're in a lot of trouble - this makes things even more concerning.
Is our new President aware of how Morgellons has been handled up until now, or should I say - not handled?
Our governmental departments, especially, those in charge of our food, air and water quality, and household products - needs a 'shake down'! Our FDA is not doing a good job. What a screwed-up mess, and there's noone within the government that's willing to change it - because it's political and will cause heads to roll and 'this is the way it's always been done'.
Let me ask you what kind of sense is this - you're a scientist and you are 'creating' something that people eat or something they can possibly transmit into their blood streams - and you don't even have to write it down and report what you're doing to anybody!? Or, maybe you do - but, your boss doesn't?
What kind of 'science' is this? And, who gave our scientists so much power that they don't have to report what they doing in their sectors, that might adversely affect the whole planet?
That's possibly why we can't easily figure out what Morgellons is! We're going to find something that resembles our Morgellons pathogens, but, we're not going to find a bit of literature about what it actually is. Why? Because, someone in our government has decided that it isn't important. That these scientist's, company's lobbyists have greased somebody's pocket to keep legislation from passing for them to disclose what the heck they are actually doing to us.
Don't you think it's strange that we have no GM, bacillus, nor pesticide levels in our food labeling in this country? It's Russian Roulette at the grocery store for a Morgie!... are they going to tell us how much of a 'disabling' pesticide (bacillus) we're consuming or coming into contact with... NO! but, they will tell you if you're eating red dye #3! How did we get to be asleep at the wheel here, this car is wrecking, somebody needs to wake up and grab the steering wheel!
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Post by felixwillford on Feb 21, 2009 3:25:54 GMT -5
Kammy, Yeah, that does look like coal........... hey I was not aware that the black specs were identified? Where is that?
I wonder if the amount of black specs a person has determines how "bad" they have morgellons?
Also, I am hoping with a new director at the CDC that they gain truth and integrity when it comes to reporting the results of this morgellons disease.
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Post by kammy on Feb 21, 2009 10:52:11 GMT -5
These 'specks' have been identified by the hired team of microbiologists as 'parasitized pine pollen' on the morgellons.org site, in their Phase 1 study at: morgellons.org/Phase%201%20Brief%20Summary.htmBelow are direct quotes from their page and their photos: "Chytrid populations are obligate parasites of frogs, nematodes, algae, cyanobacteria, plants, and pine pollen (see photo below)." "Morgellons associated pine pollen grain (fiber skin sample)." " Parasitized pine pollen grains. Note clear, round encysted chytrid cells on pollen surfaces." You will to go look at these photos yourself - I tried to copy and save their photos and put them here - but I couldn't do it... (they are not to be distributed... I suppose? I could not copy them - at all.) Also, we can't see from these that their example looks like a 'crystal piece of coal' or has those characteristics - as in Mark's example, either. Their bottom photo looks like a 'cross-section' where it was cut in half - not sure - I don't see the 'wings' on this piece... either? par⋅a⋅si⋅tize /ˈpærəsɪˌtaɪz, -saɪ-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [par-uh-si-tahyz, -sahy-] –verb (used with object), -tized, -tiz⋅ing. to live on (a host) as a parasite. They don't appear clear as to what the pine pollen is parasitized WITH... it seems, that information might be helpful?
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Post by kammy on Feb 21, 2009 11:49:06 GMT -5
Kammy, Yeah, that does look like coal........... hey I was not aware that the black specs were identified? Where is that? I wonder if the amount of black specs a person has determines how "bad" they have morgellons? Also, I am hoping with a new director at the CDC that they gain truth and integrity when it comes to reporting the results of this morgellons disease. I would think the quantity of production of the 'black specks' is somewhat of an indicator of your Morgellons health? It could be a major gauge, then again, it could be just one indicator of many. As even the CDC states, they are aware that this is a complex condition - "Considering the complexity of this condition"... on their webpage at: www.cdc.gov/unexplaineddermopathy/investigation.htmlAs you can see their objectives in this current California study is not necessarily to create a protocol for our health care professionals to follow to treat us. We can hope that what the CDC finds out might give our doctors enough information to research and look to see what might treat us? Direct quote from their webpage: "The primary goals of the investigation are to help us learn more about who may be affected with this condition, the symptoms they experience, and to generate hypotheses about factors that may contribute to it. The investigation will involve: determining the clinical and epidemiologic features of this condition; assessing the histopathology of skin biopsies from affected patients; characterizing foreign material such as fibers or threads obtained from persons with the condition; and estimating rates of illness among the study population." They say that they are interested in 'estimating rates of illness among the study population' - well, as far as I've heard - they have 500 people that are pretty much 'dead ringers' for Morgellons? (Let me guess the numbers, 500 out of 500?) What about the rest of the population that's not in this study, seems like that might be a minor concern to scientists and people in charge of monitoring this kind of issue? If you check out the ZVED link on the right hand side under 'Quick Links' you see this webpage: www.cdc.gov/nczved/Now! We're getting somewhere! Our tax dollars well spent! This new branch of the CDC looks like it could help us? However, do you see where you can contact them other than writing them a letter via postal mail? - and I bet the phone number given is just another or the same 'recording' they are 'spoon feeding' the public, wonder if we could reach a human and if we did?... Someone write them a letter and see what they say?... And another thing - we've been degraded enough, just having this disease alone is one of the most humiliating things that a person can experience. What we've felt at one time or another - yes, there's 'bugs' crawling inside us! And, do you know how this makes the average person react?... yeah! we've witnessed it! We're treated like 'skum of the earth'... And, the CDC negates us further - look at how they won't even give our disease a name or accept the name we've chosen? Look at how they put Morgellons in quotes? You know what putting something in quotes means?... it means - this name is not real or defined yet, it's not a real disease, it's not a real name for a disease, it's an "AKA". You know, they know enough - to know, that this is a REAL disease by now! Who's in charge of naming it or keeping it from being named, negating the disease further, to give the general public the impression that this is... a 'made-up' name by a few and not real? People, this is another slap in the face... And, if a disease doesn't have a name, can you do a search on it on Medical information sites? Try going to some of the top medical sites and putting "Morgellons" in as your search criteria and see what it says... 'not found'... that's what! Direct quote from their webpage: "Unexplained Dermopathy (aka "Morgellons") "
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Post by kammy on Feb 22, 2009 5:31:45 GMT -5
Ya'll aren't paying attention!... lol Ok, here's what's happened, remember when I said this: "This is what I'm seeing growing in my coffee cups: Bacillus Subtilis:" AND... Grady posted: "Motions caused by the growth of Bacillus subtilis macrofibres in fluid medium result in new forms of movement of the multicellular structures over solid surfaces A terminal loop rolling over a glass surface"... Both of these have the name "Bacillus subtilis"... They don't even resemble each other? It seems like members of the same family would somewhat resemble each other? hmmm? I believe that the fibers are producing the 'black specks'... that they are not a separate entity, such as pine pollen - and that the 'black specks' are possibly related to the Bacillus subtilis 'family', also. And, we can almost guess that the second example above is a 'creation' and wasn't something that was known in nature prior.
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