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Post by bannanny on Mar 19, 2009 21:55:35 GMT -5
I found this pic on the internet... the way they have it pictured, it looks a whole lot like the whitish trails I have under my skin. It's a pic of the spirochete borrelia burgdorferi... Does it resemble the ones some of you say you have too? I wonder about it tho cuz I had 2 different Lyme tests saying I was negative for Lyme. But it sure seems to me that alot of the Lyme bacteria pics and all look exactly like the samples I get from my body. Weird eh? hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by gertie on Mar 19, 2009 22:05:12 GMT -5
Definately have tons of those, nanners. You can clearly see the white squiggly lines on my nose, neck and shoulders.
One of my docs that I went to along the way, said something to the effect that if a person had Lymes for years and it was not treated, then it may be possible that it wouldn't show up in bloodwork any longer. I don't know if that is true or not. But, I do wonder why some of us have Lymes and others test negative.
I am curious if those of us who don't have sores or rarely have sores always test negative for Lymes, as well.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Mar 19, 2009 22:23:15 GMT -5
Do ya really want to know "exactly" what is under the skin??? I will go ahead and up-load a couple pics to give ya a close up detailed sneak-peek!! give me a few and I will post the link back here...
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Post by stevefrey on Mar 19, 2009 22:41:13 GMT -5
Those squiggly lines, what I use to refer to as "trails", were the very first things that made me think that there was something there that didn't belong, I could see them on the backs of my hands and my face and forehead, they were very faint and no one else could see them, then some 12 years later I became enlightened to the fact that not only was I not imagining them but I was not alone, other people had them too. It was a long 12 years.
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Post by ctbarb on Mar 19, 2009 23:30:47 GMT -5
I had a chain of them - 3 of them wide - looked like a necklace that went from my shoulders to my breast bone...and there even was a large medallion-like thing in the center. It started out being the white raised trail, and then turned red and looked like broken blood vessels. It stayed there for months...it is now gone, but I can still see a faint pattern. While I had that there, I could feel movement of some sort; told the Dr. and he said I was sunburned!!! What an idiot. Said I must have forgotten that I was wearing a necklace....I don't own anything like that!!! Hugs, ctbarb
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Post by rhorn2006 on Mar 19, 2009 23:40:50 GMT -5
Ok,,,, this is a rough throw together with no explanations on it to help you understand what your looking at,,, First you will see bare skin with a number of re-occurring lesions on it,, then what "looks like" randomly formed objects on top of the skin covering each of the lesions in the previous bare skin shot.. These object are actually what is under the skin at the base of the lesions.. The reason you can see them is because I have chemically dispersed the skins pigmentation in these areas... sorry its thrown together I am working on better pages to post later..... show.simpload.com/index.php?filename=031949c31acb80a2b.jpg
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Post by jj on Mar 20, 2009 0:17:11 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the pics Rhorn.
What do you mean by "I have chemically dispersed the skins pigmentation in these areas".
When I get a sore and hold a cotton pad with hydrogen peroxide on it for a while to get it down deep ..... that's just what it looks like. Did you use Hydrogen peroxide?
Thanks JJ
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Post by mfromcanada on Mar 20, 2009 5:02:48 GMT -5
rhorn2006, I have been trying to get someone, anyone, to understand that I have white matter within my skin and that it forms various designs: stars, crosses, paisleys, short lines, suture-like etc. Thanks for bringing this up. I hope you can post some pictures of the white matter within the skin. I also have arc shapes and connected bubble shapes. These marks are not simply depigmentation and are like a fungus or something like it.
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Post by toni on Mar 20, 2009 10:53:00 GMT -5
Rhorn, thank you for sharing your pictures.
JJ I know what you mean about the "peroxide" causing the picked or (outter) skin turning white.
M, yes, I've got what you're describing too...TONS of it. White "matter" that comes out of a "tunnel" I can clearly see in my skin.
Bannanny, next time I get a (squiggly) I'll get a pic right away of it. I usually have let them sit, and they dry out immediately and then the squiggly form then is impossible to see. I'll put them into alcohol right away though..next time.
Mine are usually more zig zagged, instead of like a spiral shape you have pictured. But, it's really hard to tell if it's spiral (mine) or if they're flat and zig-zagged, because they're so tiny...but the "zig zag" is definately there.
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Post by mrc on Mar 20, 2009 15:23:02 GMT -5
A quote from a scientific paper "spirochetes were clearly visible at 600× magnification" you cannot even come close to seeing these with naked eye.
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Post by bannanny on Mar 20, 2009 18:40:42 GMT -5
Great pics rhorn... gross, but great! Same stuff here and I also have everything you said m... [glow=red,2,300]stars, crosses, paisleys, short lines, suture-like etc. I also have arc shapes and connected bubble shapes[/glow] Can I ask if your "bubble shapes" are actual bubbles of fluid under your skin? That's what I have, but I call mine gel pockets. They're actual bubbles in my skin tho that are full of fluid. It's a very electrical fluid too, whatever it is. It looks just like the blood in my veins look tho... same color anyway. I tend to think it's the gel. Anyway, I'm sure now that the lines aren't the actual spirochete then hiding under the skin from what you said Grady. The trails under my skin sure do look like that tho. I have most of them in my feet, hands, arms, legs, and around the temple areas of my head. In fact on my feet, hands and head, you can actually feel the lines under my skin and almost pull them up towards the skins surface. They feel like the hardened web-like strands to me that are all inter-connected and creating the network thruout our bodies. It sure is hard to explain all this sh*t isn't it? hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by mrc on Mar 22, 2009 8:36:30 GMT -5
Could it be the white biodegradable plastic created by Ps. Putida? That is what my blog post was all about.
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Post by bannanny on Mar 22, 2009 18:34:20 GMT -5
I dunno Grady, I've seen blue plastic in my samples (as shown below)... ... but never any white plastic before. I think the trails under my own skin are actually rivers of gel running thru my body interconnecting everywhere. Much like the trails that connected on my scope base from the gel that came out of my finger and landed there... Taken with top lighting of the first growth... Taken with bottom lighting of the first growth... Taken with top lighting of the 2nd growth (what it looks like today)... Taken with bottom lighting of the 2nd growth... Actually, the more I look at these pix, the more I'm answering my own question. Yeah, maybe the pic of the spirochete resembles these trails under the skin, but I betcha it's exactly the same thing goin on under our skin as what happened on the base of my scope. And why not... the stuff grew directly from some gel that came outta my own body.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Mar 22, 2009 20:40:49 GMT -5
I kind of think that those randomly shaped white objects are scar tissue formed inside of tunnels made by parasites. They are attached to the skin,, not at all free floating,, and all connected by smaller tunnels
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Post by rhorn2006 on Mar 22, 2009 21:07:40 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the pics Rhorn. What do you mean by "I have chemically dispersed the skins pigmentation in these areas".When I get a sore and hold a cotton pad with hydrogen peroxide on it for a while to get it down deep ..... that's just what it looks like. Did you use Hydrogen peroxide? Thanks JJ Sorry JJ,,,, I missed your question.. Yes its "hydrogen peroxide"... If you apply a couple wet coats "rubbed into the area" enough hydrogen peroxide to reach down and coat the object it bleaches the surface of the object, the cleansing causes the damaged skin above it to swell thicker "puffed out" sealing in the Hydrogen peroxide and dispersing or separating the colored pigmentation.. it stays visible for about 20 mins because the Hydrogen peroxide is sealed in and takes that long to slowly work its way out, unless you mess with the area a lot, that forces the Hydrogen peroxide out,, and the area turns back to normal.. This only works where the skin has been damaged and thinned enough by current or past lesion activity..
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Post by ruth on Mar 23, 2009 13:20:59 GMT -5
it is cyanolichen (re:phase I) that grow the white tracts. the lesions are fruiting structures along the lichen. i think the blue could be the chytrids with cyano in it hence the blue color.....plus all carry a piece of each symbiont. i see the chytrids as attached to the lichen.
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Post by bannanny on Mar 24, 2009 1:43:30 GMT -5
What's that pic of Ruth? Is it something that came from inside your body or is it on your skin? I can see a similarity to my pix above (kinda, I think... duh, duh, duh!)
Also, you said...
"it is cyanolichen (re:phase I) that grow the white tracts. the lesions are fruiting structures along the lichen."
Got a question for ya... do you know if cyanolichen is similar to lichen planus? And... what do you think it means for those of us who DON'T have lesions? How would the fruiting structures appear then? Oh, and what are chytrids?
Sorry so many questions... but you can tell me better than I'd ever understand it if I looked it up on the internet or tried to figure out what it is they're saying in research documents!
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by ruth on Mar 24, 2009 11:24:24 GMT -5
hi bannany, it is so hard to explain this......it took me so long to see how it grows, i don't know the proper words for description. i have to find the images (3-d scope is really needed) label them, pull out the research for comparison, then try to explain from many sources down (multi partners) into one............a complicated ecosystem that grows within and on us.
i have years of looking under the scope at thousands of specimens. i am grateful to finally understand, i just wish i could share it........... it is scarey stuff.
i've been trying for awhile now, and i just can't get it written down. it is all too much right now.
i will pm you my number should you want to call me. i will try to explain it (we can use our pics for discussion). then maybe, if you agree, you can write it.
it is spring, it is a time of growth (increased zaps & lesion activity) and i have to focus on just the smallest stuff....i turn into a zombie.
thanks ruth
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Post by jj on Mar 24, 2009 14:03:20 GMT -5
Rhorn,
No problem. I have a life away from LB and Morgellons. Absolutely have to to stay sane through all the turmoil. Had some healthy sporting competition over the weekend. Sooooooooo I didn't catch your reply right away either.
Yeah it takes a while for the white to dissipate. I get some hard bumps down deep with no open skin. Those take the longest to heal and tend not to unless I soak em with Hydrogen peroxide. Eventually, but with time it will surface and heal for me.
Toni,
For me it isn't just the outer edges that turn white. It turns white all the way down deep. Hope using peroxide isn't damaging healthy cells topically. If I don't use it the bumps remain under the surface and just don't heal.
I have one spot over my eye that doesn't turn white with peroxide. I got it while in Greece eons ago. It's still there and stuff keeps comin out of it. Wonder if it's connected to something going on in the sinus region somehow.
JJ
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Post by rhorn2006 on Mar 24, 2009 14:22:43 GMT -5
Thats kind of why I said I "chemically dispersed the skins pigmentation" and avoided adding the "hydrogen peroxide" part... I was mostly wanting to show others what was under there,, I was not sure that it was a good idea to bring it up,,,, hydrogen peroxide is really strong stuff.. If it does cause any harm, working it in that deep might not be a good idea,, but it does dry out those white objects until they break up and work there way out..
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