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Post by Niels on May 21, 2009 1:09:29 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on May 21, 2009 7:39:41 GMT -5
Dr Klapow has been working on Cryptostrongylus pulmoni for some years- related to CFS- It is my guess that the new worm is renamed for the doctor. Was C Pulmoni- now V klapowi ? There had been a link to his work- recently removed- Toxicworm (below) Found: www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/klapow.html He could have re-named the above (Cryptostrongylus pulmoni) ?? In his work with the C Pulmoni- he found the Male- Bright red (Pigment) Female- Clear and translucent- Another researcher/scientist said of Dr Klapows findings -re: the color of the female: Excerpt: However, I dispute Dr. Klapow's findings in relation to the true colour of the female. It's feasible to suggest that whatever evolutionary forces created a bright colour in the male, may have also created a bright colour in the female. As mentioned, I am claiming she really possesses a deep, sapphire-blue, 'ink-like' pigment. The following paragraphs will explain how I believe Dr. Klapow allegedly came to make such a mistake. end excerpt and this: Excerpt: Pigmentation of the female C. Pulmoni questioned Cause or contaminant? Micrograph 4: This long blue object, identified in a number of local blood samples, appears to be nothing more than a contaminant of blue-dyed fibre. Indeed, one can replicate an image similar to this by scraping a blue fabric with a microscope slide and examining the residual lint. The difference between blue fragments of lint from a fabric, and blue objects of a similar appearance occurring in association with local blood samples, is that the ones in the blood appear to be clear fragments 'containing' a deep, sapphire blue, 'ink-like' substance that can actually spill out across the slide when broken. These objects contain a blue liquid. Fibres of lint have their colour intact, and do not contain a liquid. There is marked difference between the two. end excerpt www.toxicworm.com/page5.html (above - found at now dead link)
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Post by toni on May 21, 2009 7:43:19 GMT -5
I was reading that too about Dr. Klapow's findings awhile back, and it does appear he's changed the name of the "hidden lung worm".
I am so glad he's having a Lyme conference next month in Arizona!
That will definately help (the doctors who attend) to open their eyes!!!
Niels, thank you for that link to that PDF, because there's ALOT of great info there for everyone.
The list of supplements etc...VERY good!
Thanks Niels!
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Post by lilsissy on May 21, 2009 8:30:01 GMT -5
Thank you Niels and Jill, This is one to watch, the colors, hmmmmm.........
Jen
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Post by Jill on May 21, 2009 8:34:17 GMT -5
www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1287911 More on the hidden lung worm- Toxic worm This info was posted years ago on NUSPA- which I found interesting back then - Dr Klapows' worm is a Nematode- (read:Lyme) While he ties the Nematode/worm to CFS, many believe that CFS and Lyme are one and the same: www.prohealth.com/me-cfs/blog/boardDetail.cfm?id=1295645Excerpt: Dr. Jonathan Forester, of Pineville, Louisiana has been studying CFS in his medical practice for over 20 years. At one point in his medical practice he began noticing the striking parallels between his CFS patients and his Lyme disease patients. He began testing his CFS patients for Lyme disease and over 90% came back positive for Lyme. Of those 90%, when he began treating them for Lyme disease, 80-90% were able to get into complete remission of the disease. Dr. Forester said, “Until proven otherwise, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is Lyme Disease.”end excerpt Years ago- I was reading a CFS board- and the Mod- stated that she had talked to a doctor who looked at the pathogens of Lyme AND CFS all day everyday and the doctor stated that the pathogens of LYME and CFS look the same under the scope.
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Post by Jill on May 21, 2009 8:42:04 GMT -5
You are welcome, lilsissy and you are right- Dr Klapow has found what very well could be the worm that is a part of our condition.
So many talk of red, blue. clear (etc) fibers- and this worm has them.
And, per Randy Wymore, who stated that the color in the fibers what not that of a dye, this nematode and the colors of the male and female (bright red and sapphire-blue) is key. The female is found as a clear structure initially- and the Toxicworm link (now dead) describes where Dr Klapow described the female as such.
Additional research (at the now dead link) states that the female is really the sapphire blue.
Suffice it to say that I truly believe this is our missing link- Dr Klapows Nematode- V Klapowi
Hugs, Jill
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Post by bessie on May 21, 2009 11:01:16 GMT -5
The connection is indeed interesting, at least the color aspect. The only thing is that these fibers do not have cells, which all forms of life have. Do they "morph"? Nothing about this madness would suprise me. Another aspect is that the color is a liquid within the structure. The fibers, on the other hand, are of particular colors (sometimes multicolors) that are integral parts of them. The most obvious explanation for this is that nanoparticles of elements change colors from their larger particles. An example of this is that the element gold changes to red in it's nanoparticle stage: mrsec.wisc.edu/Edetc/nanolab/gold/index.html"Synthesis of Gold Nanoparticles The synthesis procedure shown here is from A. D. McFarland, C. L. Haynes, C. A. Mirkin, R. P. Van Duyne and H. A. Godwin, "Color My Nanoworld," J. Chem. Educ. (2004) 81, 544A. The formation of gold nanoparticles can be observed by a change in color since small nanoparticles of gold are red. A layer of absorbed citrate anions on the surface of the nanoparticles keep the nanoparticles separated. The presence of this colloidal suspension can be detected by the reflection of a laser beam from the particles. Switching to a smaller anion allows the particles to approach more closely and another color change is observed." Bessie
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Post by Jill on May 21, 2009 13:22:53 GMT -5
www.morgellons-disease.info/Morgellons-Blogs/index.htmlExcerpt: Dr. Janovy has stated of this blue fiber, 'it has no eukaryotic cells, it has no cell membrane, it is not a parasite, it is not biological, it is a machine. end So my question is- who stated the fibers have no cells? Or was the statement- the fibers have no Eukaryotic cells? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EukaryoteWhere would I access this statement- re: the fibers have no cells? Thanks, Jill
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Post by overandover on May 21, 2009 16:46:54 GMT -5
Bump
Thanks so much for posting this great information Niels, have been wondering what happened to Dr. Klapow.
Love, Suebe
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Post by bessie on May 21, 2009 17:30:02 GMT -5
Jill - Dr. Wymore has said that the fibers contain neither prokaryotic nor eukaryotic cells. I just watched his presentation at the Austin '08 conference where he discusses that, but I had come across it before. Maybe the C2C show? But I'd known that before that show. Not sure where I came across it in writing. Of course, Dr. Staninger says there are no cells in the fibers. I seem to remember someone else as well. Seems like a pretty easy thing for a scientist to determine. I wrote to Dr. Janovy for clarification - if and when he responds I will report back.
Bessie
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Post by Jill on May 22, 2009 5:51:04 GMT -5
Thanks Bessie for your explanation! Still baffled about the no cell statement.
A quick Google supports the fact that there are only 2 kinds of cells- as you mention, Eukaryotes and Prokaryotes. No other options available?
Appreciate your help!
Jill
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Post by Jill on May 22, 2009 6:47:40 GMT -5
Kmarie, Could well be Prokaryote. Thanks for the input. I was wondering if the fact that both Lyme (Bb) and Mycoplasma are both cell wall deficient has anything to do with the fact that these researchers (wymore and Staninger) are stating that the fibers have no cells? As an aside, Bb is a Prokaryote: A prokaryotic chromosome is usually a circular molecule (an exception is that of the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi, which causes Lyme disease). Even without a real nucleus, the DNA is condensed in a nucleoid. Prokaryotes can carry extrachromosomal DNA elements called plasmids, which are usually circular. Plasmids can carry additional functions, such as antibiotic resistance. My question per above- re: CWD in both Lyme and Mycoplasma - is: Could the researchers mistake Cell Wall Deficient for No Cells? Per above, links confirming that Bb and Mycoplasmas (to include M. Fermentans Incognitus) are cell wall deficient: www.drbagnell.com/user/Lyme%20Disease%20the%20unknown%20epidemic.docExcerpt: The Lyme spirochete (Bb) is pleomorphic, meaning that it can radically change form. The photo on the left shows a colony of Bb both in spirochete and round cell wall deficient (CWD) forms.In the CWD form, the Lyme organism can lack the membrane information necessary for the immune system and antibiotics to recognize and attack it. Dr. Lida Mattman states that cell wall deficient organisms are more properly called cell wall divergent. end excerpt and re: Mycoplasma: www.shasta.com/cybermom/putting.htmExcerpt: REVELATIONS OF PERSONAL RESEARCH Since I had a positive test for a new stealth pathogen named Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus five years ago, I have been curious as to how, why, and when I contracted it. Having been on antibiotics for four years, I am nearly well!!! Could this pathogen have been the cause for CFIDS in my case? I believe so. My research into this new pathogen has led me to some interesting revelations. Recent research has lead me to conclude that our disease is relatively new and emerging along with many others like Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, Reactive Arthritis, Post Viral Syndrome, Lyme Disease, etc. My research has led me to the term "STEALTH PATHOGEN". A stealth pathogen is one that can cause infection by invading the cells, thus hiding from the body’s immune system. Since the organism hides inside the cells, laboratory tests to determine their presence is difficult. Usual antibody tests are worthless. The only way to diagnose the problem is by culture and/or PCR. Often special body fluids or tissue samples are necessary (i.e., cerebral spinal fluid, synovial or joint fluid, bone marrow, glandular biopsies, muscle biopsies, etc.) The disease process develops slowly and the progress is marked with remissions and exacerbations. Along with Mycoplasma, other pathogens may fall into this group. Most of these are the cell wall deficient forms (also called L-forms or spheroblasts) of common bacteria that can cause a serious disease state. Lida Mattman, Ph.D. of Wayne State University, writes about these pathogens in her book entitled Cell Wall Deficient Forms: Stealth Pathogens. She explains that ordinary bacteria and fungi are capable of mutating to a form that lacks a cell wall. When mutated to this state, they are more invasive (entering cells) and more pathogenic. She explains that the majority of unexplained negative lab cultures concern infection with these cell wall deficient variants of common bacteria.In my research, I have also been interested in the autoimmune aspect of our disease (and others). This is easily explained if one understands how cell wall deficient organisms operate. Once they enter a cell they incorporate the cells energy source and food as their own. They are hidden from the body’s immune system at this time. While in the cell, they then multiply. They leave the dead cell in search of another. In leaving they take a piece of the cells membrane with it. During the brief time out of the cell, the immune system recognizes both the pathogen and the body’s own cell membrane and sets up a defense against them both. After the pathogen enters another cell, it is not affected by the immune system, but the reaction against the cell membrane sets into motion an attack on other cells of that type. Hence, we often have auto antibodies against our own tissues like thyroid, heart, muscles, joints, etc, which complicates the clinical course of the disease. end excerpt
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Post by bessie on May 22, 2009 13:45:43 GMT -5
I just reaqlized there is a typo in my post about Wymore's statements about the "no cells" - it was the 2009 dvd that I just watched where he goes into it in more detail.
Bessie
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