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Post by Jill on Jun 11, 2009 19:54:37 GMT -5
www.pristinehydro.com/watersurvey.htmlDeath by Faucet Free Printable PDF Book Water: A Clear and Present Danger Fair use Excerpt: MTBE: From gasoline spills, underground gas tank leakages. The potential health effects include cancer, developmental toxicity, gastrointestinal or liver toxicity, kidney toxicity, neurotoxicity, and skin sensitivity. Carbon block, standard 53 will remove it. end excerpt Excerpt: MTBE MTBE is a fuel additive, commonly used in the United States to reduce carbon monoxide and ozone levels caused by auto emissions. Due to its widespread use, reports of MTBE detections in the nation's ground and surface water supplies are increasing. The Office of Water and other EPA offices are working with a panel of leading experts to focus on issues posed by the continued use of MTBE and other oxygenates in gasoline. EPA is currently studying the implications of setting a drinking water standard for MTBE. Potential health impacts associated with MTBE include cancer, developmental toxicity, gastrointestinal or liver toxicity, kidney toxicity, neurotoxicity, and skin sensitivity. An Environmental Working Group analysis of MTBE tests reported by 16,866 public water suppliers in 30 states shows that between 1998 and 2003, 32.7 million people in 632 communities drank water contaminated with MTBE. MTBE remains unregulated in tap water, without a maximum legal limit. Water suppliers reporting tests for MTBE (1998-2003): 16,866 of 39,751.
As part of the Drinking Water and Health pages, this fact sheet is part of a larger U.S. EPA publication: EPA National Primary Drinking Water Regulations.
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Post by Jill on Jun 11, 2009 19:55:29 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Jun 11, 2009 20:06:11 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on Jun 12, 2009 6:52:23 GMT -5
Toni, Yup, perchlorate is a biggie and those living near airports over the 'fly' patterns would take an additional hit- air and water. No place other than remote corners of the country seem to be safe these days. Kmarie, I too pray that people wise up- that the water is #1 enemy. At the very least we should have a good water filter in our homes. Maybe 2 filters. Reverse osmosis filters out some pathogens/etc that carbon filters can not and visa versa. Found the above gem looking for Barium- which was mentioned in another thread. Turns out that Barium is in the lead re: contaminated water: www.pristinehydro.com/watersurvey.htmlExcerpt: An Environmental Working Group analysis of barium tests reported by 29,280 public water suppliers in 41 states shows that between 1998 and 2003, 147 million people in 20,626 communities drank water contaminated with barium. end excerpt Of course, that is not comparing apples to apples. The MTBE report (above) is only 30 states where the Barium is 40 and we don't know which states. If California is in the MTBE study then the numbers would be far greater, I would think. We need to address these issues more than any other, IMO.
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Post by bannanny on Jun 12, 2009 17:26:26 GMT -5
I always used to think well water was so good... which is what I have. But with everything in the soil anymore, who knows what's entering my system.
You'd think I'd feel better if I took alot of baths and showers, like 2 or 3 a day. But I've found that just cleaning up more often than actually taking another shower works better for me. I get out of the shower anymore and I feel worse than I did when I got in.
But I'll be dead before any of this makes headline news or before anything's ever done to try and protect us. My heart aches for the next generation.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by Jill on Jun 12, 2009 22:46:46 GMT -5
My heart aches for the next generation also, bannanny.
Hope you are feeling better! Will keep you my prayers.
Crazy suggestion, but if I were you I would get rid of those Scotch Pines near your house. I love trees too, but I'm clearing out as many as I can without a chain saw (afraid of those). I believe it would help.
Also, do you take the NAC that Grady mentions? He feels that it helps and I would have to agree. Can't hurt.
Feel better, Jill
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Post by toni on Jun 13, 2009 10:17:25 GMT -5
We just got our water report in yesterday's mail.
There's alot here, and just for info sake, I'll post what some of it says.
In the water report it says (regulated contaminants)
Alpha Particles Arsenic Barium Beta Particles and Photon Emitters Bromate Cadmium Chromium Copper Dichloromethane Di(2-ethylehexl)phthalate Flouride Free Chlorine Residual Haloacetic Acids Lead Nitrate (as Nitrogen) Radium 226 and Radium 228 (combined) Selenium Total Coliforms Uranium
Southern Nevada's water agencies closely monitor and continuing efforts by the Nevada Env. Protection to intercept and remove perchlorate at its source since 1997, has significantly reduced levels.
Scientists have traced "perchlorate's origin to shallow groundwater entering the Las Vegas Wash.
The EPA has not established limits for perchlorate, but is monitoring this and other "unregulated contaminants" to determine if future standards my be appropriate. The EPA prioritizes contaminants for potential regulation based on risk and how often they occur in water supplies.
To learn more about how the EPA set drinking water standards, visit:
epa.gov/safewater
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Post by toni on Jun 13, 2009 10:20:52 GMT -5
Perchlorate in Colorado river contaminating lettuce, but mostly citrus. This though was tested in the 90's. westernfarmpress.com/mag/farming_lower_colorado_river/Also expected to create a firestorm in '07 is a CDC finding published in the journal Environmental Health and Perspective that suggested lower levels of perchlorate lead to thyroid malfunction. The report indicated a relationship between perchlorate concentrations and the thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) thyrotropin.
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Post by bannanny on Jun 13, 2009 17:59:59 GMT -5
Thanks Jill... the scotch pines that were infected have all been cut down.
I'm talking to Grady about everything he feels will help me. He's really been wonderful... as all of you have been too.
big hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by Jill on Jun 14, 2009 20:46:45 GMT -5
That was a hoot Kmarie! You need to write comedy- you have the knack! Best laugh I've had all day.
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Post by jeany on Jun 15, 2009 4:51:15 GMT -5
hehehehe, haahahaha.....
GREAT! Looove it!..Kmarie
Jeany
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Post by toni on Jun 15, 2009 8:02:29 GMT -5
hahahahahaa ;D
That is a total hoot! hahahahah ;D
I love how you're going to pre cook the dinner, so you HAVE to re heat it in the microwave later with the plastic, hahahahahahaha TOO funny!
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Post by massena on Jun 16, 2009 18:03:07 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
could anyone of you suggest a water filter or softer that I could put in my house so I could take showers and do dishes with. thanks hugs, massena
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Post by Jill on Jun 17, 2009 10:36:31 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Jun 17, 2009 12:04:48 GMT -5
Massena, One thing to help you if or when you decide to get something in your home for cleaner water is...(and from selling these in my past life too), is watch out for the differences: There are two kinds of systems for your home. One is a water "conditioner/softener system". The other is a water "treatment system". Water conditioners/softeners ONLY soften the water. These you have to add salt to, and they do a good job in "softening the water". If you have hard water deposits in your area, then these help protect your pipes. They do not "clean your water of contaminants, as that's not what they're for, they are ONLY to soften your water. The other (a water treatment) system, filters out as best as humanly made possible - contaminants in your water. These do not "soften" the water, but they CLEAN your water. Now this "water treatment system is not for drinking". When you say you'd like to shower in "good water"...that will only come from a "water treatment system" for the whole house, and all the house will then have "good clean water", and they work extremely well. I've tested our water many times (I have the chemicals) from when years ago I sold these systems. As for "drinking water", and "cooking water"...that can only come from an R.O. which is installed under your kitchen sink. The R.O. will give you the purest drinking water on the planet! Bottled water measures (which this won't mean alot without understanding the chemicals) but bottled water will measure a 4-6. Which that is INCREDIBLY clean water. R.O water that the unit is installed under your kitchen sink will give you a 2-3 measurement, which is as pure as it's going to get! ;D On the other hand, tap water...straight from your faucet, without ANY water treatment system will be in the number range of 400-800. So based just on those numbers, you can see how much of a difference these things do make. Kinetico (makes a GREAT RO) too. That's just one of many. As for "water treatment systems" you'd have to call around. Attachments for the shower are sort of okay, they may help a bit with a couple of the contaminants in water, but not all by any means. Just saying it like it is. And if you have someone come out and test your home tap water against the carbon filters, you'll see there's not much of a difference with them, no matter what brand, I've tested them all from the cheapest to the most expensive. There are also water tester kits "anyone' can purchase, they're in the 300 buck range and up. That way too, it's easy to test your water anytime you want. I think water treatment systems are a 'very personal thing' in that I've met so many people (in the past) that some didn't mind showering in 'tap' water, and some wanted the max equipment to remove everything from the water. So to what degree "you" want it removed, there's that price tag attached on what equip you choose. (that's the bad part). But, just wanted to let you know, there is a difference between water (treatment systems and water softener systems) as throughly as I could without writing a book, hahaha which I ended up doing.
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Post by massena on Jun 23, 2009 8:52:34 GMT -5
Thank you Jill and Toni,
That information was very helpful. I heard that softwater was better to bathe in , not sure why but I better do my homework before I jump into anything. hugs, massena
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Post by toni on Jun 23, 2009 9:09:25 GMT -5
Hi Massena,
If you've ever bathed in soft water, your skin feels "slippery", which some people do like that feel.
Me, I'm a hard water shower person...I've got to have that 'squeaky' feel when I done bathing.
It is really an individual "taste thing" though.
We had a whole house "soft water conditioning treatment" system, but I couldn't get use to that slippery-ness feeling on my skin or hair...so we had the "water treatment system put in".
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Post by kiki on Jun 23, 2009 14:11:58 GMT -5
Kmarie now you can serve dessert--- some nice Nestles choc chip cookies. (under-cooked so theyre nice and chewy) ;D
Toni is there such a thing as an R O for showers? Or better a whole house system?
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Post by massena on Jun 23, 2009 14:12:44 GMT -5
Thanks again Toni for sharing that, it sure helps me understand things a little better. So does that mean there is not a health benefit from using the soft water treatment and it's just a personal preference? If that's the case I'm better off investing in a RO like you said so I will check into the Kinetico and others on the internet. massena
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Post by toni on Jun 23, 2009 14:54:17 GMT -5
Massena,
The soft water (is beneficial) for keeping skin "soft"...not that lotion doesn't do that, haha (I'm playing) but it's true.
The greatest benefit to 'water conditioners/softeners' is on the house pipes and water heater, because the mineral buildup is greatly reduced.
Next is "you'd use" less soap (washing etc) because "soft water" doesn't have to combat or compete with the hard water minerals in your washer, so one only then would use 1/2 the shampoo, or washing machine detergent you'd normally use.
That's why if you've ever wondered why so much soap might have to be used in your washer to see suds, it's because the water is hard (minerals) and the soap is "competing with that".
Next is it's easier on the skin (soft water) from a water softener/water conditioner system. But, there's that super slippery feeling you'll have on your skin, and you'd not ever feel the "squeak" feeling with 'a water conditioner/softener system'.
That's the part (that's personal) or rather ...a personal preference. I couldn't handle not feeling that "squeak" after showering - and that slippery feeling I got from the "water conditioning system" well.. I just didn't care for it.
(those are the greatest benefits of a softener system)
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Now the "other system for homes are" Water "treatment" systems leave the water just as it is (or was). Hardness still there, but cleans "purifies" the water, and removes contaminants.
People do get them confused, and they are not the same thing.
Water "treatment system" or water "conditioner/system" (not the same things at all).
(that's the difference, one removes contaminants, and the other "softens the water").
Neither are "clean enough though for drinking". Those are only for "the house, (showering, washing, all that) that comes out of the faucets.
And only an RO gives one "clean pure *drinking and cooking* water".
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