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Post by nickthebuilder1234 on Aug 18, 2009 0:37:37 GMT -5
Here in this case study is proof that information is being deliberately excluded, not only by the CDC due to their lack of urgency, but now also directly by exclusions of already imaged and established microscopy observations. These organizations claim to be working for answers on the side of those individuals infected, and appear to even have ties to the administrators on this board.
To the administrators of this board: Any attempt to sensor or exclude this important observation without debate of the said Case Study shows obvious intent to misinform and falsely use an organization to further hide already imaged radicals in blood samples observed in studies prior to these findings.
On page 5 of 8, this report lists five laboratory abnormalities, with "a" being mutated Red Blood Cell morphology, with non-discoid and abnormal variations in RBC color and size.
It fails to mention in any of the other four laboratory observations, any mention, whatsoever of the already imaged spore in the .5 - .7 micron size particles that are extensively imaged with microscopy, from upwards of 8 separate blood sample from different individuals, by Clifford Carnicom.
Clifford Carnicom, as well as myself have emphasized how important the identification of these unknown radicals are. Any exclusion from accredited research such as this case series shows a deliberate attempt to hide pertinent information while giving the public the impression that their intent is genuine.
I rest my case, it doesn't get any more clear than this.
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Post by freaky on Aug 18, 2009 2:08:29 GMT -5
Sir nickthebuilder1234,
Lately, I've been extremely ill, & unable to keep up with current events. It seems I know what I'm asking, but just can't pull it out from my brain. Would you mind telling me the address of the case study, and also the report Clifford Carnicom contributed.
Much thanks, freaky
PS. We all know what you speak of is true regarding the CDC's shortcomings. It was to my dismay that the CDC refused the scientific findings, or discoveries RE: Morgellons, which would have put them much further in their research, rather than starting from the beginning. They must enjoy repetitious work, as the scientific findings had become facts at that time, recorded, & written up in the medical journals. That's hard to swallow.
One other question.....rumor has it that the CDC has given this project to the US Army. Do you have information regarding that, & if you do, do you perhaps know the code # used when it was transferred? Could you find it out for me please? It's some sort of # that represents it's identification. I have a friend working in the army, and she wants to get involved in the morgellons project, but doesn't know how to look it up.
Hope I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't mean to, & am completely naive, if so. Hugs, & Dead bugs to the administration.
Thanks Sweetie, freaky
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Post by nickthebuilder1234 on Aug 18, 2009 2:24:38 GMT -5
The case study was posted by a admin on this site, on the main morgellons forum page. jmedicalcasereports.com/jmedicalcasereports/article/view/8243/3772Carnicoms images and dated microscopy studies are located on www.carnicom.com You are going to have to look at the information on his site page by page and read everything he documented and imaged on all the submitted blood work. The said spore like structures are mentions dozens of times as a key identification factor. And the CDC is working in conjunction with the Army. Ask yourself, why would they involve the Army as if this was a plague, after telling everyone they were psychotic for 8 years. Think long and hard about why they would be involved, and what's going on in the sky.
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Post by toni on Aug 18, 2009 6:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on Aug 18, 2009 7:35:20 GMT -5
Nick,
I pulled up both studies- I'm familiar with Cliff Carnicoms' work- and recall that both Cliff and the Harvey study mention Chlamydia pneumonia- Chp.-92 % of the 'patients' in the study.
That is a high percentage. Seems to confirm Cliff Carnicoms' findings.
There are numerous other facts in the study that jump out as well:
The Study- states that 1/2 or 50% of those in the study were positive for Bb-Lyme disease and 4 patients positive for Babesia microti. If 1/2 of 25 were positive for Lyme- that would be 13- rounding up- and then adding the Babesia- co infection of Lyme- with 4 people positive- then 17 out of 25 were positive for Lyme or it's co-infections.
In 4 patients: Unidentified lymphatic filamentous clusters were found in 4 patients‡
(you have to wonder if those 4 are the same with Babesia microti)
17 out of 25 had frequent skin eruptions/rashes-
24% had dark filaments visibly protruding from the skin
All of the 25 had low temp- indication of Thyroid issues
I see what you are pointing out about the RBC- abnormal morphology- non-discoid and varied color/size.
All good info- and thank you for pointing it out.
Jill
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Post by adill on Aug 18, 2009 10:19:26 GMT -5
I really dont have much to say anymore but feel I must say that I agree with what Nick has to say here! I have said and felt this way for over 5 years now and as I near the end of this nightmare nothing has ever been identified that should of been by now!!! Yes, certain researchers have had the opportunity but hold back this information for some reason. Certain research organizations have made false promises and yet they still exploit my family all over their website with titles of "BUGS" and I have NEVER said that!
There is no excuse that this organism has not been identified by now and the fact that people are still defending the idea that it even still exists is demeaning!
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Post by ANTHILL on Aug 18, 2009 12:43:21 GMT -5
These organizations claim to be working for answers on the side of those individuals infected, and appear to even have ties to the administrators on this board. To the administrators of this board: Any attempt to sensor or exclude this important observation without debate of the said Case Study shows obvious intent to misinform and falsely use an organization to further hide already imaged radicals in blood samples observed in studies prior to these findings. To nickthebuilder1234 Admin reserves the right to refuse service to anyone especially those that have the preponderance to attempt to bully admin for their own agenda break the rules of this board and spread untrue rumors about this board and it's admin Think what you will ---you will anyway --It does not matter to me
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 18, 2009 13:17:26 GMT -5
So anthill,
are you nixing nick from the board?
Jen
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 18, 2009 13:21:14 GMT -5
I think we are all curious
what happened that caused the missing pages?
Jen
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Post by ANTHILL on Aug 18, 2009 20:37:15 GMT -5
Jen' respecfully If nick neglected to read the rules before posting and broke some rules and his post got deleted because of it It Is because of that and only that --that it got deleted not because LB has "obvious intent to misinform and falsely use an organization to further hide already imaged radicals in blood samples" or that we are aligned with anyone I have never heard anything more absurd
I have heard allot of really crazy conspiracy theory's floating around the Internet about what is going on behind the scenes on lymebusters and I cant figure out how they come up with them or justify them because I do none of the things they say I'm doing
The truth of the matter is Lymebusters run by a couple caring people that know what a hell Morgellons is and what people go through with it and are only trying to help We eat sleep work if we can and try to have a life --I am much too busy to hide already imaged radicals in blood samples" "as nick says" or to fight pettily tit for tat with other morgellons factions or that we are we up to some sinister agenda or doings for one faction or another
All we want is to find a cure and a cause and recognition and hopefully help some people along the way We may not agree with everything said but generally we are not in the business of being a sensor though we reserve the right to delete any post for a infraction to the rules clearly posted on this board without explanation so please read the rules before posting so we won't have disgruntled folks that have had their post deleted making up story's about why their post are deleted
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 18, 2009 21:06:42 GMT -5
Well I surely do not understand what is going on but I have known what it feels like to be attacked wrongfully . I do thank you for your efforts as well as all those who spend hours researching .
Morgellons is so weird that I think we all know for sure that it is being swept under the rug. I do agree that the C.D.C knows what this is and has been trying to keep it from us.
I do not however understand who are the players involved with the cover-up conspiracy and therefore do not implicate anyone.
Jen
God knows who's messing around with the original design. Everything comes back together in the end.
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Post by 2.99(plus~tax) on Aug 18, 2009 22:47:49 GMT -5
God knows who's messing around with the original design. Everything comes back together in the end.
I love that! Good one.
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Post by glennb on Aug 21, 2009 0:47:54 GMT -5
Another item that is being excluded from CDC info and it appears all official info is the findings of Dr Jaroo and Dr Stanniinger regarding self replicating nanobots that are being found in the Morgellons infested, the finding of critters who are partially synthetic and partially biologic.
This is being completley ignored.
Seems rather important to me.
I'm not sure how anyone can address Morgellons without addressing the work of Jan Smith and the findings of human beings infected with self-replicating nano machinery.
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 21, 2009 1:09:04 GMT -5
Another item that is being excluded from CDC info and it appears all official info is the findings of Dr Jaroo and Dr Stanniinger regarding self replicating nanobots that are being found in the Morgellons infested, the finding of critters who are partially synthetic and partially biologic. This is being completley ignored. Seems rather important to me. I'm not sure how anyone can address Morgellons without addressing the work of Jan Smith and the findings of human beings infected with self-replicating nano machinery. Maybe it's being ignored because it's Bull...., exactly what kind of evidence is there to suggest that human beings are infected with, as you put it "self-replicating nano machinery", please elaborate. I desperately would like to see this evidence, anything at all that would suggest such a thing, please bring it here and post it, that's all I ask, just bring it here and post it for all of us to see, do you think you can do that Glenn, or anyone else out there that pushes this crap, just post it please, and none of this he said she said stuff, just post the damn evidence.
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 21, 2009 2:23:15 GMT -5
We know steve it's the sponge. Right now a cork would be more befitting of you.
Jen
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 21, 2009 2:29:22 GMT -5
We know steve it's the sponge right now a cork would be more befitting of you. Jen Sorry no corks allowed ;D
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Post by fritolay66 on Aug 21, 2009 8:59:28 GMT -5
Giggle.... You have a good sense of humor Steve and I am happy to see you took the remark well. I have only been back a short time, and I have noticed a tenseness that wasn't here 6 months ago. I know we are all getting tired of all this, and it seems like we have gotten nowhere.....But I would like to remind us all, including myself, that we really have achieved some good things. I believe if it wasn't for this forum, some would of taken their lives or destroyed their lives further. And although across the board, none of us have achieved a complete recovery, we have made great stides in our health, and in some cases prolonged the lives in some. Ya know, there is just so much good going on, I can't even begin to expound on what this forum has done. About Nick. I am confused, is he here or not? I think he is abrasive because he is so sure of what he says. If you are out there Nick, a different tone and manner will spread your knowledge further. You wouldn't go to someone elses house to use the bathroom type of thing. I hope you will reconsider your tone as sometimes, the truth or something close to it, hurts and must be exercised with some tact. About our administration here Nick. They have always been helpful in directrion and information. I believe the moderators here to be good people. My goal is to read what has been suggested. With respect to all....Frito
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Post by bessie on Aug 21, 2009 11:34:08 GMT -5
My opinion only, here (of course)...but some of the comments that are made about one can be made about all.
So far, there are only a few scientific studies that prove anything, and they fall very short of offering a comprehensive theory (too early).
For me, I can't buy into anything that is purely hypothetical and based on internet searches. Although it is very slow, the only things that I for sure believe are the things that have been produced through scientic study of individuals with Morgellons.
I'm not going to take the time to repeat them...everyone knows what they are.
But what is suggestive (to me) is that the CDC turned the samples over to their evironmental toxins division. But that's all it is - suggestive.
I just wish a little more respect and humility were used when people advance their hypotheses, rather than the arrogance that is occasionally seen.
Bessie
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Post by violet on Aug 21, 2009 12:21:10 GMT -5
My opinion only, here (of course)...but some of the comments that are made about one can be made about all. So far, there are only a few scientific studies that prove anything, and they fall very short of offering a comprehensive theory (too early). For me, I can't buy into anything that is purely hypothetical and based on internet searches. Although it is very slow, the only things that I for sure believe are the things that have been produced through scientic study of individuals with Morgellons. I'm not going to take the time to repeat them...everyone knows what they are. But what is suggestive (to me) is that the CDC turned the samples over to their evironmental toxins division. But that's all it is - suggestive. I just wish a little more respect and humility were used when people advance their hypotheses, rather than the arrogance that is occasionally seen. Bessie Bessie, this is so well said. I'm really concerned about this board and another one (which I've recently left) because of their having been such strong sources of support and caring but now are suffering (greatly) from infighting. It's so unnecessary. There are ways to say things and get points across well without attacking. Attacking--especially with sarcasm--only alienates. Nobody is helped by it. (I personally don't think Steve was attacking, by the way. I think he is just frustrated. My own personal opinion.)
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Post by friskers on Aug 21, 2009 12:51:29 GMT -5
i know Violet it hurts me when I see people being mean to one another too . When I see it here I try to speak up about it and sometimes take it upon myself to spank peoples asses who need it-------Steve-----------watcth you butt ! ;D
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