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Post by zabrubon on Aug 30, 2009 20:55:38 GMT -5
I lose my nerve when i see my doctor, sorta fear of authority, and I end up not telling him what is really going on in my body. I end up listening to him instead of him listening to me. Recently he asked me to go off my antibiotics and I did only to have the crawly feelings to come back. Now I have to go see him again and I don't even want to tell him what has happened since i went off the pills. He won't believe me.
He says he has other Morgellons patients but he has implied that he does not believe it. I have emailed him information and gave him brochures etc, all to no avail. What i need now is a spokesperson who can go with me and plead my case.
A spokesperson will go to my doctor and persuade him that Morgellons disease is real. I need that person to educate my doctor and give him brochures, websites, anything and everything to convince him to look further into this disease. I know some of you here on board were able to persuade your doctors to believe you. Bravo for that. Now I need you to persuade my doctor as well. Any takers out here?
There has to be someone out there that can go with me and plead my case. There has to be a person close by that can meet with me at my doctors and give him a Morgellons presentation. Where can I find someone to help me out? Any ideas passing through your cerebrum?
If there is no one to help, then perhaps you could help me figure out what to do next. Thanks.
CB
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Post by kammy on Aug 30, 2009 21:47:21 GMT -5
Hi Bonnie,
Jeany and I have a good idea to help folks, that's all we've ever been about, we have a good grasp on the inner-workings of what is driving Morgellons. I plan on putting a basic concept on my web site in simplistic terms for anyone to understand and to print to take to their doctor to try and explain what is happening on a basic level.
Give us some time to write and create this guide and then I'll put the link here for folks to print from and hopefully, it will help someone? (This should be good for people with pets with "M" to explain to the Vet also, what is happening.)
At least we're trying and honestly believe we're on the right track, just give us some time? Hang in there, sweetie, help is coming.
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Post by friskers on Aug 30, 2009 23:39:27 GMT -5
Hey Bonnie maybe Rhorns doc would be willing to talk to your doc on the phone. He seems like a great guy.
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Post by mfromcanada on Aug 31, 2009 1:10:44 GMT -5
ChicagoBonnie, I think you mean an advocate, someone to take with you to the doctor because the doctor simply dismisses you. Well, I took an advocate with me to two of my appointments and they simply acted as though the person wasn't even in the room. The good thing is that now I have a witness. I would not ever go to a doctor again without a witness with me. We have completely lost our rights to be treated in the manner we were before we got morgellons. All of a sudden we are not to be believed. We need advocates, somewhere, somehow.
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Post by camv35s on Aug 31, 2009 1:32:18 GMT -5
Hi Bonnie sorry to hear your doctor is not believing you I would be happy to go with you and convince him, but then he would need a doctor.I still remember the last jerk I went to see, he was a very well known Dermatologist and I got there a little early I had high hopes as I watched the valet drivers park the luxury suv's and the patients mostly women looked like they were going to the academy awards I thought this is the real deal this guy is famous he'll know what this is. when I went into his reception room I thought I was at the ritz and when I told the receptionist what I was there for she looked at me with horror and immediatley ushered me into a room where to young interns came in and took notes they left and 45 minutes later the doctor poked his head half way through the door and said I have a prescription for you, see the receptionist. He never examined me . while i was left alone I got to read all the latest adds on the wall about botox and all kinds of meds and lotions to make you look better so now I know what dermatologists are all about.The prescription he gave me was the human version of ivermectin but he used a term that denoted experimental.that was the last doctor I have seen .My doctors are on this web site ,they know more about Morgellons than 99.9 percent of the doctors in the us. Someday this site will be required reading for doctors that want to learn about the human aspect of this disease. We are human and a lot of these doctors are not . The only advice I can give you is to get as far away from that phony as possible. I would talk to a vet they know more about this than doctors and they will listen to you, but more than that I would go to a university that has the labs and teams that do research. I will talk to a scientist.If it aint in the merc manual they are clueless and there ego wont let them say to you (I dont know) so they say you are delusional.Just a thought if you live in chicago your not far from Rhorns doctor, and guess what He will listen and treat you.Tomorrow is going to be a good day for you Bonnie just change gears and let the sunshine in, Kind regards cam
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Post by imblownaway on Aug 31, 2009 10:42:31 GMT -5
Bonnie I spent over a year trying to inform my doctor who I have been seeing for about 16 years. I tried everything. Letters even a video tape of a news segment. CDC information blah blah blah. Our last conversation about it ended in.. "Oh yeah I have another patient telling me about this" "here is a referral to a dermatologist" After I already explained that it was the dermatologist that refereed me to a shrink. The biggest run around of my life. I am not seeing a doctor at all. Wasn't there a letter sent to the medical community by the CDC.? That should be a good one to bring. and you can ask if they "got the memo" didn't I read somewhere where there is a billing code for this now? I think that is a main concern with doctors. They need a code for billing. Hope someone here can help remember where this information is. Good luck to you Bonnie I hope you have better luck than I have had.
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Post by violet on Aug 31, 2009 11:55:21 GMT -5
Bonnie I spent over a year trying to inform my doctor who I have been seeing for about 16 years. I tried everything. Letters even a video tape of a news segment. CDC information blah blah blah. Our last conversation about it ended in.. "Oh yeah I have another patient telling me about this" "here is a referral to a dermatologist" After I already explained that it was the dermatologist that refereed me to a shrink. The biggest run around of my life. I am not seeing a doctor at all. Wasn't there a letter sent to the medical community by the CDC.? That should be a good one to bring. and you can ask if they "got the memo" didn't I read somewhere where there is a billing code for this now? I think that is a main concern with doctors. They need a code for billing. Hope someone here can help remember where this information is. Good luck to you Bonnie I hope you have better luck than I have had. I recently went to my dermatologist and mentioned the letter that the CDC had sent to all the states' medical associations, verifying that Morgellons is indeed a condition. I truly think she would like to help with my symptoms, so I don't think her response that that letter indicated a preliminary diagnosis was meant to be a brush off, but that is what she said. She took a punch biopsy of my worst lesion to try to help. She was really feeling bad that it was all she could do to try to help. I ended up actually trying to help her feel better about feeling bad! :-)
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Post by bannanny on Aug 31, 2009 14:56:50 GMT -5
All I can suggest is the same thing I'm gonna do... print out the info from the MRF site along with the lab abnormalities that show in morg patients. Also print out the info from the CDC... at least they're factual and from responsible sites and not just pics we've taken ourselves. They don't care to look at anything we've put together... but they may take notice if the facts they're reading are documented ya know?
My doc is an idiot too... all of the ones I've seen for this have been. In fact, the only thing my current doc is watching are the granulomas in my lungs. But I didn't even get my last lung x-ray and bloodwork cuz he pis*ses me off so much due to he won't even discuss morgs with me. I just don't wanna go back in and see him. Eventually I'm gonna have to tho... I'm just taking a break cuz I get so angry... and that doesn't help matters at all.
I think if you can talk to rhorn and maybe ask his doc to call yours it would help alot. I'd love to have him call my doc too tho... it's just that I don't know if it would be asking too much of him at this point in time. It may have an adverse effect on rhorns doc ya know?
Good luck Bonnie... if I lived anywhere near you I'd go in with you for support if nothing else.
big hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by zabrubon on Sept 1, 2009 4:12:34 GMT -5
Thanks all, I will take your advice one by one and I am sure something will happen good. I had acouple of decent doctors in the past but they both are gone now to greener pasters.
I got Rhorn's doctors name and will call him.
My current doctor has received so much info from me he never really comments on it. I believe he doesn't really believe in Morgellons, but he had never really said that but only implied it.
I need to write you more tomorrow but fo rnow I am headed for be cause I am getting a cold and don't feel so good. I will write more tomorrow to all that answered me here. Thanks so much. CB
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Post by rhorn2006 on Sept 2, 2009 15:27:06 GMT -5
I lose my nerve when i see my doctor, sorta fear of authority, and I end up not telling him what is really going on in my body. I end up listening to him instead of him listening to me. Recently he asked me to go off my antibiotics and I did only to have the crawly feelings to come back. Now I have to go see him again and I don't even want to tell him what has happened since i went off the pills. He won't believe me. He says he has other Morgellons patients but he has implied that he does not believe it. I have emailed him information and gave him brochures etc, all to no avail. What i need now is a spokesperson who can go with me and plead my case. A spokesperson will go to my doctor and persuade him that Morgellons disease is real. I need that person to educate my doctor and give him brochures, websites, anything and everything to convince him to look further into this disease. I know some of you here on board were able to persuade your doctors to believe you. Bravo for that. Now I need you to persuade my doctor as well. Any takers out here? There has to be someone out there that can go with me and plead my case. There has to be a person close by that can meet with me at my doctors and give him a Morgellons presentation. Where can I find someone to help me out? Any ideas passing through your cerebrum? If there is no one to help, then perhaps you could help me figure out what to do next. Thanks. CB Bonnie,,, It's just my opinion, but................ I don't think it would be a good idea to take a morgellons advocate with you to talk to your doctor,, actually, I think it would cause your doctor to dismiss you, your condition, and your treatment, all together.. If the doctor does not think a morgellons like medical condition actually exists,, and won’t take your claims of having the symptoms of it "seriously" bringing another person in claiming the same thing will only try the doctors patience and make him feel disrespected and ganged up on. You have to keep in mind that doctor are only human, 99% of them have huge self-inflated egos, and act accordingly.. In most of there minds, there hard earned status has raised them above the level of his subjects,, like a "king" ruling over there own small kingdoms (meaning there practice) with there patients being the subjects residing within there small kingdom.. Just like a king does,, his subjects (patients) come before him constantly with there problems,, asking for his wisdom in solving them.. The king considers the problem and renders his solution.. It's suppose to be respected as being superior wisdom, and always "accepted as that, without question" and always with gratitude,, even if he is dead wrong!! Doctors, like kings, do not like there wise judgment challenged by there subjects and may make that known to the subject, either mildly, straight forward, and sometimes angered and aggressively.. In your case the king is made his ruling,, but you come back to challenge his "superior wisdom" this time bringing with you with a second subject "from another kings domain" to argue along side of you just how ignorant the kings original ruling was,,,, you can't expect it to help sway him in your favor.. The king would be more insulted and angry, than feel he has been informed and educated by lessor minds than he possesses... He would probably “blow you both off” end the visit abruptly,, tell you to get another doctor,, and boldly label you as a "argumentative hypochondriac" in your medical files, just as pay-back for the disrespect and aggravation he feels.. Its sad,, but that's how most doctors are..
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5
All Rhorn said, I have to agree completely.
Bonnie, if your doctor refuses to read the information by the CDC, 100 people won't convince him of more than the info he can obtain from their site. As Rhorn said basically it might tee off someone of your doctor's "nature/personality".
And "imho" any doctor at this point in time (with the CDC's acknowledgement as on their registry) stating what they are studying, and what the symptoms are that have been expressed, and also how CDC states something to the effect of "finding a physician who can help".....(that means alot).
It seems (some doctors are willing to TRY, where others are not).
Maybe another doctor might behoove you.
I sure hope you can find a doctor to help, they are far and few between. But they're there.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Sept 2, 2009 16:10:31 GMT -5
All I can suggest is the same thing I'm gonna do... print out the info from the MRF site along with the lab abnormalities that show in morg patients. Also print out the info from the CDC... at least they're factual and from responsible sites and not just pics we've taken ourselves. They don't care to look at anything we've put together... but they may take notice if the facts they're reading are documented ya know? My doc is an idiot too... all of the ones I've seen for this have been. In fact, the only thing my current doc is watching are the granulomas in my lungs. But I didn't even get my last lung x-ray and bloodwork cuz he pis*ses me off so much due to he won't even discuss morgs with me. I just don't wanna go back in and see him. Eventually I'm gonna have to tho... I'm just taking a break cuz I get so angry... and that doesn't help matters at all. I think if you can talk to rhorn and maybe ask his doc to call yours it would help alot. I'd love to have him call my doc too tho... it's just that I don't know if it would be asking too much of him at this point in time. It may have an adverse effect on rhorns doc ya know? Good luck Bonnie... if I lived anywhere near you I'd go in with you for support if nothing else. big hugs ~~ bannanny It's sad to have to say,, but I already know that my doctor would not even consider calling anyone's doctor to discuss there patients medical condition or needs.. He cant that would be illegal under the gins of "Patients Rights To Privacy" making it a violation for there doctor to even admit to having the person as a patient.. Even if signed release forms existed making there conversation legal,, it's a violation of the "Lawful Ethical Codes of Professional Medical Practice",, for a doctor to offer medical direction on another doctors patient without them having been a recent patient of there's.. Unfortunately,, my doctor is "legally bared" from contacting any non-patient's personal doctor.. Anyone's doctor can call him and say "I have a patient that might have morgellons,, can you give me any info on it?" This is just one doctor getting advice from another doctor about diagnoses and treatment for an "unidentified" patient, for an unknown condition.. That happens all the time,, it's perfectly legal, and even encouraged in legal medical ethics.. Unless a person has been seen by a doctor "physically" (face to face in the doctors examination room) the doctor is legally bared from offering "any" medical advice, or contact with there personal doctor on there medical behalf.. I know that if another doctor called him about morgellons, he would be happy to talk to them,,, but they have to make the call,, he cant.. All anyone can do is to give there doctor my doctors contact information and hope they call him,, but that's all that can be done.. It does give me a great idea though!!! I will ask my doctor if he would consider writing some kind of short "doctor to doctor" introduction letter for people with morgellons to take to there doctors with them, and post it,, if he will do it, there is still a lot of stigma around morgellons, so even if he does it he may not want to put his name on it, out of fear of being reported to the state medical board.. I think that if a real doctor with morgellons patients, were to explained what he knew about morgellons, the "realistic factual medical testable stuff" another doctor might accept it as being medically possible and look to see if there might be something to it.. All I can do is ask,,, and I will... ;D
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Post by 2.99(plus~tax) on Sept 2, 2009 18:00:39 GMT -5
I lose my nerve when i see my doctor, sorta fear of authority, and I end up not telling him what is really going on in my body. I end up listening to him instead of him listening to me. Recently he asked me to go off my antibiotics and I did only to have the crawly feelings to come back. Now I have to go see him again and I don't even want to tell him what has happened since i went off the pills. He won't believe me. He says he has other Morgellons patients but he has implied that he does not believe it. I have emailed him information and gave him brochures etc, all to no avail. What i need now is a spokesperson who can go with me and plead my case. A spokesperson will go to my doctor and persuade him that Morgellons disease is real. I need that person to educate my doctor and give him brochures, websites, anything and everything to convince him to look further into this disease. I know some of you here on board were able to persuade your doctors to believe you. Bravo for that. Now I need you to persuade my doctor as well. Any takers out here? There has to be someone out there that can go with me and plead my case. There has to be a person close by that can meet with me at my doctors and give him a Morgellons presentation. Where can I find someone to help me out? Any ideas passing through your cerebrum? If there is no one to help, then perhaps you could help me figure out what to do next. Thanks. CB Bonnie,,, It's just my opinion, but................ I don't think it would be a good idea to take a morgellons advocate with you to talk to your doctor,, actually, I think it would cause your doctor to dismiss you, your condition, and your treatment, all together.. If the doctor does not think a morgellons like medical condition actually exists,, and won’t take your claims of having the symptoms of it "seriously" bringing another person in claiming the same thing will only try the doctors patience and make him feel disrespected and ganged up on. You have to keep in mind that doctor are only human, 99% of them have huge self-inflated egos, and act accordingly.. In most of there minds, there hard earned status has raised them above the level of his subjects,, like a "king" ruling over there own small kingdoms (meaning there practice) with there patients being the subjects residing within there small kingdom.. Just like a king does,, his subjects (patients) come before him constantly with there problems,, asking for his wisdom in solving them.. The king considers the problem and renders his solution.. It's suppose to be respected as being superior wisdom, and always "accepted as that, without question" and always with gratitude,, even if he is dead wrong!! Doctors, like kings, do not like there wise judgment challenged by there subjects and may make that known to the subject, either mildly, straight forward, and sometimes angered and aggressively.. In your case the king is made his ruling,, but you come back to challenge his "superior wisdom" this time bringing with you with a second subject "from another kings domain" to argue along side of you just how ignorant the kings original ruling was,,,, you can't expect it to help sway him in your favor.. The king would be more insulted and angry, than feel he has been informed and educated by lessor minds than he possesses... He would probably “blow you both off” end the visit abruptly,, tell you to get another doctor,, and boldly label you as a "argumentative hypochondriac" in your medical files, just as pay-back for the disrespect and aggravation he feels.. Its sad,, but that's how most doctors are.. good analogy rhorn. sometimes I wonder though if we just use doctors to get a certain script. Anyone who has gone through the medical runaround....or for that matter just gone in with a basic checkup knows that when they are sitting in front of their GP explaining their woes and does...that there is an urgent feeling to get them out of the room. Doctors are over booked, don't have time for patients, and the patients know that. Who hasn't sat in front of their GP or specialist and received a bunch of "um...hums" and "uh...huhs" there are so many commercials on tv for this or that, and there is the internet....you can practially diagnose yourself these days. lol.... with those 10 or 15 minutes the doctor is allowed to see you for....well, lets just say, you might be better off detailing your own symptoms and come up with a cause yourself and then sit down in front of Dr. soandso and say I need ....blah, blah, blah...or yes...Dr. I'm very well aware of the side effects....they tell me on the tv at least 35 times a day. depends what channel I'm watching though.....ugh...! it's maddening. Even before morgellons, this is the way I personally was treated. When my daughter was small and I took her in for regular checkups I saw the same thing. Same treatment for all my family and friends. There is however on a rare occasion the caring compassionate dr. who does take the time to look, listen and help. Bonnie, I say take an advocate if it makes you feel more comfortable. No disrespect Rhorn. At this point I no longer seek the care from western medicine. That left a nasty taste in my mouth. I got absolutely no where. It got to the point where I'd sit in front of a white coat with a PhD in front of their name tag and there were no words........ just tears. So Bonnie, if you loose your nerve, take somebody. It will take some of the stress off of you, in many ways. I wish I could be there for you, I'm so far away though. As for doctors......I will say this. I honestly think that we were allowed to interview them to make sure we want them to treat us. We shouldn't have to pay for interviews either. it should be a symbiotic relationship. There should be no ego involved. Ego should have nothing to do with it. Helping people get healthy should have everything to do with why they are practicing to begin with. I'll get off my soap box now, rant over. Good luck with your situation Bonnie. Ali
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Post by zabrubon on Sept 3, 2009 2:17:00 GMT -5
Oh my, what to do. Hum, I think Rhorn has a good point, however I do want to confront the "king" and think taking someone with me to help persuade him may or may not work. I think the best thing to do first, before confronting my doctor is already have another doctor line up. I had a doctor from years ago send me a post card and I remember him saying he believed in Morgellons. So, I think I can confront doc and also have another doctor set up as a back up. What do you think will happen if we get the new health care? Do you think we will have a harder or easier time getting doctors to believe us and prescribe? CB
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Post by violet on Sept 3, 2009 15:03:14 GMT -5
Oh my, what to do. Hum, I think Rhorn has a good point, however I do want to confront the "king" and think taking someone with me to help persuade him may or may not work. I think the best thing to do first, before confronting my doctor is already have another doctor line up. I had a doctor from years ago send me a post card and I remember him saying he believed in Morgellons. So, I think I can confront doc and also have another doctor set up as a back up. What do you think will happen if we get the new health care? Do you think we will have a harder or easier time getting doctors to believe us and prescribe? CB HARDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it may take months to even be able to get in to see a doctor!!
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Post by rhorn2006 on Sept 4, 2009 21:27:57 GMT -5
2.99,,,,,,,,,,,,
(Bonnie, I say take an advocate if it makes you feel more comfortable. No disrespect Rhorn)
No disrespect taken.. It's just my take on the problem,, from what I have experienced with most doctors... I know it would be a great comfort for a lot of people to have someone with them for support during there appointment,, but, I guess it just depends on the doctor..
Most are so "time oriented" that hearing the same explanation from two different people would have eat up there 15 minuets, and make these doctors much less willing to spend even more time on a persons examination for the condition..
My doctor and I get along really well, and have talked about this very thing many times.. His take on the problem is that.. The internet has changed "many things" some of them seem to have irritated a lot of doctors.. Self-diagnoses being the biggest one.. The second being "world wide connection with others" who a lot of money/time oriented doctors feel only reinforce a persons "self-diagnoses" whether it's the wrong one or not.. Most doctors cut a patients visit to the least amount of time possible.. They dont like having to take the added time it takes to talk patients out of net-reinforced self-diagnoses and into the one they think is right,, that takes a lot more time than most doctors are willing to give-up for there patients medical needs. "Time is money" and most doctors are into it for the "money".. With an endless list of patients, most doctors just brush-off the time consuming cases, and only address the simple quick ones.. Most have taken what was taught in med school as "patient disassociation" and turned it into "not caring at all" and forget the ones they blow-off as soon as they walk out of the exam room, hoping they will "go bother some other doctor with there time consuming problems".. It's sad, but it's the way things have become these days.. As technology has advanced, so have the adverse effects of it, on the overall populations health,, constantly increasing the number of people needing medical care. The financial burden of paying for that increased need has led to regulating what doctors can charge for patient care.. The regulated decrease of "per patient" charges, have made the doctors "who are in it for the money" just skip over anyone who would take up more than a couple of minuets of there time... SAD, but often true!
According to my doctor.. "In most cases" when seeing some doctors who do not know about, or believe in, morgellons" and a person comes in claiming to have it, it can be a great aid to the patient to bring someone in with them who has known them personally from before the onset and knows the patient to have always been a sound minded and rational person, and also believes that what ever the patient says there going through must be true or they would not say it.
Just food for thought..
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Post by zabrubon on Sept 5, 2009 19:42:09 GMT -5
Doctors will reap the consequences of their own actions. I can not wait until we can go to medical diagnois by machine. I am so looking forward to watching the doctors go out of business. Nurses will always be here but doctors, oh yeah, they will be phased out. That day is not far away.
I can see it all now:
At the age of eighteen, the government insitutes law that all persons living in the U.S. must register at the City Hall closet to your home address . Upon registration, you will be given a personal medical diagnois machine to use for all physicals, vitals, or illness. Please see instruction manual. The Manual states: Hook up probes to ear lobes and wrists of your upper torso, then attach ethernet into computer. Proceed to websites, diagnoseme.com, sick.com or pregnant.com. Please answser all questions and wait for further instructions. Diagnois determined. Computer prints out the diagnois, a copy emailed directly City Hall Medical Department. Prescription is electronicaly sent to drug store of choice. Of course all this for a fee for service basis.
Or for those who have no home computer, go to Walgreens, clerk hooks up the monitor to our ear lobes and wrists, computer promts voice activagted questions and we verbally answer them. Wait for green light on machine to display medical exam complete. Wait for diagnois print out. Script sent to our drugstore of choice. Fee for service.
Ah yes, so looknig forward to that day.
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Post by camv35s on Sept 6, 2009 10:13:43 GMT -5
Hi bonnie here some ammo to take with you when you see your doctorSo, would it be outside the realm of possibility that these fibers, rather than being delusions, could be something medicine has not seen before? Western medicine has been guilty of closed-mindedness in the past. There is even a name for it: the Semmelweis Reflex, the immediate dismissal of new scientific information without thought or examination. It was named for a 19th-century Hungarian physician who was roundly vilified by his colleagues when he asserted that the often fatal childbed fever could be wiped out if doctors washed their hands in a chlorine solution. He was right. The same knee-jerk rejection of a new idea was true for the bacteria H. pylori, which doctors, researchers and scientists refused to believe was the source of stomach ulcers until the doctor who'd made the connection swallowed some himself to prove it.
And could some diseases, rather than being all in the head, involve both mind and body? Medical researchers are beginning to study the potential link between schizophrenia, a disease of the mind, and exposure to infection in the womb. At the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., doctors are beginning to discover how imprecise a diagnosis of "delusions of parasitosis" can be. In the past five years, 175 people have been admitted to the clinic with that diagnosis. After thorough evaluations, however, with doctors taking the time to search for underlying problems, only half of those patients left the clinic with that diagnosis intact. Doctors found a very real cause of the itching in the other half. The Mayo Clinic is the only other organization in mainstream medicine, outside of the CDC, to include information about Morgellons in its list of human illnesses.
The next time a doctor tells you your diagnosis is (delusions of parasitosis) we can all say doctor your suffering from Semmelweis reflex best regards cam.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Sept 6, 2009 13:19:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the interesting info Cam... It appears that "diagnoses by assumption" has been a wide-spread problem for a long time,, if it has been common enough to put an actual name to the "mental illness"..... ("Semmelweis Reflex"... The immediate dismissal of new scientific information without thought or examination,, named for a 19th-century Hungarian physician) Was "Semmelweis" the name of the physician? Or the description of there medically ignorant self-inflated arrogance (ie,, mental illness)?? It could work pretty well as a description... "Semmelweis Reflex" ,,, "Surmised Wisdom reflex" meaning... "An instant conclusion limited to already gained knowledge, dismissing all other relevant information" Or in laymen's terms... "An educated shot in the dark"!! In plain english it would be,, "Delusional Medical Moron Syndrome"!!!! It is true that, any doctor who diagnose by assumption, while refusing the medical possibility of anything they don't already know.. By clinical definition they would be clearly "delusional",, thus making them far too "mentally incompetent" to practice medicine, and a risk to public safety!!! Then again,, that's exactly what the mental health profession does,, "diagnose by assumption, without the need to establish anything as being a medical fact" branding people as crazy without a second thought and destroying there entire lives,,, for a pay check!! I guess the next step will be giving "child abducting serial-killers" a license to walk into any preschool in america, pick out what ever kids they want to take with them, rape, torture, and murder them, no questions asked!!! Sick country we live in,, and getting sicker every day!!
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Post by bessie on Sept 6, 2009 13:42:40 GMT -5
This summary from Wiki certainly characterizes what is happening with Morgellons:
The Semmelweis reflex or "Semmelweis effect" is a metaphor for the reflex-like rejection of new knowledge because it contradicts entrenched norms, beliefs or paradigms. It refers to Ignaz Semmelweis, who discovered that childbed fever mortality rates could be reduced ten-fold if doctors would wash their hands (we would now say disinfect) with a chlorine solution. His hand-washing suggestions were rejected by his contemporaries.
There is some uncertainty regarding the origin and generally accepted use of the expression.
One source defines it as "the automatic rejection of the obvious, without thought, inspection, or experiment" and attributes the expression Semmelweis Reflex to author Robert Anton Wilson.
In his book The Game of Life, Timothy Leary provided the following polemical definition of the Semmelweis reflex: "Mob behavior found among primates and larval hominids on undeveloped planets, in which a discovery of important scientific fact is punished".
The expression has found way into philosophy and religious studies as "unmitigated Humean skepticism concerning causality".
Other writers define the Semmelweis reflex as: Automatic dismissal or rejection of scientific information "without thought, inspection or experiment"
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