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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 11:25:34 GMT -5
I'm looking at the first one, TY, Toni - this lets us know more of what we're up against and we can see that Chlamydia does create a biofilm, making our disease network that much more interwoven: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_252/ai_n6112830/"Chlamydia enters into cells via abnormalities of key cell membrane receptors, and settles down into anaerobic tissue sites as a mucous-like and sticky matrix where it aggregates, communicates, and constructs slimy edifices called biofilms. (1-7) Because biofilms resonate harmoniously and consist of a dense symbiotic aggregation of microbes embedded in a highly hydrated polymer, polysaccharide matrix of its own secretion, they often end up in the cornea, tonsils, wounds, nasopharynx, middle ear, prostate and urinary tract, teeth (under root canals, fillings, implants, or as chronic bacterial ostitis in extraction sites), dental plaque, oral soft tissues, gall bladder, GI epithelium, heart (endocarditis) and lungs, making them notoriously difficult to treat. Their anti-microbial resistance coupled with the inaccuracy of current lab tests to diagnose hidden biofilms and intracellular infections makes biofilms the greatest clinical challenge facing doctors today. (8-13)" So, this is probably what is happening with our teeth... my ear...?
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Post by toni on Mar 17, 2010 11:31:19 GMT -5
Hi Kammy, In your last post your talking about biofilms, which is why this subject too is important as biofilm formations from fungus or bacteria are what help protect the organisms from dying, no matter what chemicals are used to kill them, they're a problem in hospital setting and life itself. Just wanted to share this info because biofilm formations "are key" to infections *remaining* and not being rid from the body or our surroundings, like Staph or Pseudomonas, Chlamydia and oh...so many. Lactoferrin "they're finding" inhibits formations of biofilms: Milk (the lactoferrin within) discourages biofilm formations, which that is what causes infections in the body to remain, because they can't be penetrated. www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6888/full/417552a.htmlwww.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/06_02/biofilms.shtmlAnd milk again. www.livestocktrail.uiuc.edu/dairynet/paperDisplay.cfm?ContentID=229Not to get on the milk kick, but it's what science has learned. Something else, not sure of the importance of this, but I do take Swansons High Ig Colostrum supplements. Maybe it might help too. It's got 7 grams of Lactoferrin in it.
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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 11:44:02 GMT -5
Yes, Toni... I'm beginning to think we've got some sort of double or triple whammy biofilm buildup happening with some of us?... oh my! How can we get to the 'others' for the biofilms?
Yes, Lactoferrin, Colostrum (I wonder how many are "bottle babies" here, I missed out on the first mother's milk) and what about Lactobacillus supplements, have you looked at those?
I'm going to start the Lactoferrin supplements back up and I'm drinking organic milk daily now. I read a while back that the red algae found off the coast of Australia was starting to be harvested because it kills biofilms better than most known substances... Hurry Up, Australia!
I wonder if any drugs have been developed from the red algae yet, or if Australia is exporting a supplement product yet?
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I just went to look, I don't see where they are talking about this new family of red algae that is only found off the western coast of Australia and how they were about to make drugs, etc. out of it. I do see the Red Marine algae available in supplement form. I am afraid of the blue-greens until I know more.
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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 12:30:17 GMT -5
Free-living amoebae Free-living amoebae (FLA) are ubiquitous and have been isolated from soil, fresh water, tap water, hydrotherapy and dental equipment, humidifiers, sewage treatment works, and even from dust and the air. FLA feed on bacteria and other micro organisms including fungi, yeasts, algae and other protozoa. They thus have an important ecological role as predators controlling microbial communities." Free Living Amoebas come in many forms: I have seen what I have called "crop circle" patterns in my dishes in which the cells of the experiments have age, I have wondered what these patterns have meant: STARVING AMOEBA: Image of amoeba mitochondria under starvation stress. www.nus.edu.sg/research/rg39.php"During fasting, the structure of the mitochondria of the free-living giant amoeba (called Chaos carolinense) undergo dramatic changes -- the team wants to determine the role of the cubic transition in response to oxidative stress, the underlying process of ageing and many age-related human diseases." "Nature is the best teacher. Nature has shown us the structure of some of the most complex of nano or microstructures," said Dr Deng. By looking at the smallest microcosm of nature, we may find solutions. Polymer, a very popular synthetic material in nanotechnology, can self assemble and behave a lot like cubic membranes. The cell membrane, unlike our traditional view of it being a flat sheet, actually nano-periodically folds itself into three-dimensional structures - sometimes folding upon itself in two layers and even as many as 12 layers." These are giant cells that she is studying which look similar to ours: REVEALING CELL SECRETS: Dr Deng Yuru has been studying cubic membranes for the last 10 years. "Dr Deng has been studying cubic membranes for about 10 years. The study has opened for her, peepholes into the labyrinths of nature to reveal their "inner beauty" - an ever changing landscape. Scientists have from as long ago as 1950s, observed the highly organised membrane patterns under transmission electron microscope (TEM), but could not comprehend their 3-D architecture. One theory is that cell membranes react to stresses or stimulants by folding themselves into cubic structures. So far, three such structures have been well studied - based on the mathematically well-defined models, the gyroid (G), double-diamond (D) and primitive (P). Interestingly, cubic membranes identified in cell organelles share the same geometry of cubic phases studied in many other disciplines such as mathematics, physics, polymer chemistry, and material sciences. Recently much attention has been paid to the multi-continuous cubic phases for their unique physico-chemical features and potential practical uses. In the near future, some of the promising applications of cubic phases will include drug and gene delivery, matrices for membrane proteins crystallisation, and templates for fabricating 3-D band gap photonic crystal materials. "Through such studies, we gain a better understanding of what's happening within the cell," said Dr Deng. For example, we may, one day, come out with a new vector, a transporting vehicle for DNA in gene therapy. Virus was used as a vector for carrying the healing DNA to the body where it is needed. But this is not a safe method as the virus has adverse side effects on the patient The name "cubic membrane" was coined by Dr Deng's supervisor, Professor Tomas Landh in 1994, then at the State University of New York, Buffalo. Dr Landh dug through journals and discovered thousands of published TEM pictures of complex membrane structures that were put aside and treated as anomalies. Professor Landh has been matching computer generated 2-D projections and electron micrographs and with the help of mathematics, he has come out with the most accurate description ever of the 3-D shapes of cell membranes. He has since joined the commercial sector but Dr Deng and her team at NUS are continuing the study. They are the only ones in this region studying the mechanisms that underlie the formation of cubic membranes. Though there is emerging interest, there are very few scientists around the world who are looking specifically into this area of research. "The main objective of our research group is to understand the biological functions of cubic membranes, which are mathematically well-defined, 3-D nano-periodic structures occur in a wide variety of living systems," said Dr Deng."
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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 12:34:45 GMT -5
Protochlamydiae Another new genus as of 2008, is now named PROTOchlamydiae: CDC Report January 2008: www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/1/168.htm"Conclusions Protochlamydia naegleriophila (nae.gle.rio´.phi.la Gr. fem.n. Naegleria, name of host cell, Gr. adj. philos, -a friendly to, referring to intracellular growth of Protochlamydia naegleriophila strain KNic within Naegleria amebae). The 16Sr RNA sequence (DQ635609) of KNic is 97.6% similar to that of P. amoebophila, making this organism a member of the genus Protochlamydia. KNic does not grow on axenic media (1) but grows by 4 logarithms in 60 h within A. castellanii. KNic exhibits a Chlamydia-like developmental cycle, with reticulate, elementary, and crescent bodies. The reticulate body is about 900 nm and has a spiny appearance similar to that of P. amoebophila (Figure 2, panel B). To be classified within the Pr. naegleriophila species, a new strain should show a 16Sr RNA similarity >98.5% (13) and similar phenotypic traits."
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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 12:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 17, 2010 13:14:24 GMT -5
Kammy,
You were wondering about Lactobacillus? Yes, I take one a day. (Acidophilus) since 2006 - I try not to "overdo" the intake of anything, because I had quite an experience a couple years ago, and I do think I offset my systems balance.
So...anymore, it's all nice and easy, (low doses of supplements) not too many in a day, and consistency imho (with low doses) of anything is key. I sure don't know, but being "what has been diag'ed" like the P.Aeruginosa and "chylamadia", not sure about that, but I'm not saying it's not involved, but taking things to keep the body strong -being that there's a million pathogens out there...just building it back from the take down it was blasted with, imho, is what's helping.
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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 18:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by bannanny on Mar 17, 2010 18:59:11 GMT -5
I agree toni... there also seems to be so very many things involved with morgs that it's hard to say what the actual crux is. Plus, we're constantly being contaminated by it in our food, water, and the air we breathe. That's what makes me think it's gonna be next to impossible to figure out the actual crux itself... if there even is one. It could be our bodies simply can't fight off all these environmental toxins. So taking the supps in small doses off and on is what I think will help us more than anything too. I've been taking them that way and then stopping altogether for a few days or so, then I start back up. I think it's been helping me too.
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Post by kammy on Mar 17, 2010 21:39:03 GMT -5
What I'm doing here is taking what Carnicom has published as to what he believes the pathogens he's seeing into further detail and from everything I've seen and read, I tend to agree with his analysis. All of the above listed are also examples based on photographs that I have from human samples that somewhat match or appear to have the descriptive characteristics of what we already believe to be a part of Morgellons, I'll have photos up soon.
By what we're finding in the literature, we're reading how these possible Morgellons pathogens are nested in an arrayed matrix, this should allow us to better understand what we're seeing, we've already suspected this by the hard-to-distinguish microscopic photographs. By learning new information is how we have pieced together what we know today, we're in a continuous searching and learning mode. We can't say that we can stop right here and not expand our knowledge any further, we believe we may never know the answers, we have to keep looking - many are suffering and not in a comfortable place and then some are in even more trouble, needing immediate answers.
These selected examples in the above posts fall under what Carnicom is calling "chlamydia-like", of course, his information is not verified at this time, however, with our limited resources we should consider what the scientists and doctors are saying that are producing believable, valid information based on their research, resources and equipment.
Carnicom is not going into great detail about the pathogens for whatever reason, he's choosing to concentrate on pitting various agents against the pathogens in the Petri Dishes to see what will slow growth at this time or a cure, which we muchly appreciate. It could be months before he gets to these more detailed pathogenic aspects which will eventually require many tests from outside sources to verify because this is equipment that he doesn't have. Also, in the meantime, if we can take one suggestion or possibility to a lab or doctor that is able to run these unusual pathogenic tests, such as for parachlamydia, we will be that much further along as to what is possibly involved in all of us, in a much shorter amount of time.
Another factor is that we know that our disease moves in cycles, some believe they are contagious and others not, we can see how it's possible that we might move in and out of it? We have good and bad periods with our disease, we're not sure what the cycles are yet; by studying some of these knowns, we might be able to see some similarities in what is happening with ourselves, and, if our disease has some element of contagiousness, we need to know as soon as possible and take quicker steps to get the right testing and medicines to also protect those around us.
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Post by kammy on Mar 18, 2010 3:49:08 GMT -5
We all know that Dr. Martin found a high number of Morgellons patients tested positive for C. pneumonia? I have looked for a link to his reporting this and cannot find it any longer, I believe it was 92%, can anyone find it? Martin's information might have been from where Carnicom drew his conclusions? I thought this was a very good article that I just found while looking: "How to Treat Morgellons Disease www.ehow.com/how_2090043_treat-morgellons-disease.htmlStep 1 - Ask your doctor to test you for Chlamydia pneumoniae. Researchers have associated a high number of Morgellons patients with these bacteria. Treatment includes 6 months to 3 years of amoxicillin, N-acetyl cysteine, doxycycline and azithromycin. Step 2 - Get tested for Lyme disease. Researchers have linked Morgellons disease to Lyme disease, and many Morgellons patients have had a positive Lyme titer. Doctors treat Lyme disease with tetracycline, penicillin, cephalosporin and erythromycin. Step 3 - Learn if you harbor Babesia microti, a protozoan associated with Lyme disease infection. It causes the joint pain, fatigue and shortness of breath many Morgellons patients experience. Treatments include clindamycin, quinine, atovaquone and azithromycin." etc.
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Post by kammy on Mar 18, 2010 4:07:20 GMT -5
A Biofilm Swarm When several pathogens that produce a biofilm vie for an area this is called a "biofilm swarm" and have what is known as "swarm intelligence", which I believe is happening and is most likely a specific process in our case with the like-pathogens we have in common. www.cell.com/trends/microbiology/abstract/S0966-842X%2808%2900187-X"Decision-making between rapidly colonizing a surface and biofilm formation is central to bacterial survival among competitors." I found this abstract where they tried to stop a BS swarm which we also believe to be involved, we just noted yesterday where the marine and red algaes might be helpful supplements in breaking up the biofilm and quorem sensing aspect, that possibly breaking up the biofilm and quorem sensing might be a good place to start in attacking the other pathogens: "Inhibition of biofilm formation and swarming of Bacillus subtilis by (5Z)-4-bromo-5-(bromomethylene)-3-butyl-2(5H)-furanone www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118950075/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0ABSTRACT Aims: (5Z)-4-Bromo-5-(bromomethylene)-3-butyl-2(5H)-furanone(furanone) of the marine alga Delisea pulchra was synthesized, and its inhibition of swarming motility and biofilm formation of Bacillus subtilis was investigated. Methods and Results: Furanone was found to inhibit both the growth of B. subtilis and its swarming motility in a concentration-dependent way. In addition, as shown by confocal scanning laser microscopy, furanone inhibited the biofilm formation of B. subtilis. At 40 μg ml−1, furanone decreased the biofilm thickness by 25%, decreased the number of water channels, and reduced the percentage of live cells by 63%." We also see where The natural furanone (5Z)-4-bromo-5-(bromomethylene)-3-butyl-2(5H)-furanone disrupts quorum sensing: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17803774And, on Bacillus Anthracis which BT is a close relative of: aiche.confex.com/aiche/2008/techprogram/P133838.HTM
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Post by kammy on Mar 18, 2010 4:27:01 GMT -5
Note that there are certain chemicals that can cause the biofilm to swarm: From the Morgellons UK site: "Alcohols in skin disinfectants increase biofilm expression of S.epidermidis www.morgellons-uk.net/?p=503Regarding the widespread use of alcoholic skin disinfectants, it is possible that the alcohol-inducible biofilm phenotype of S. epidermidis could add to the development of foreign body-related infections." (We see Jo's research link on Micro-Myiasis is attached to the UK page, WTG Jo!) Jeany just told me that the entire site belongs to Jo... well... you go girl!
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Post by kammy on Mar 18, 2010 6:50:09 GMT -5
Looking Closer at Furanone Furanone has different numbers to describe its chemical composition, we are looking for "(5Z)-4-Bromo-5-(bromomethylene)-3-butyl-2(5H)-furanone(furanone) of the marine alga Delisea pulchra" or "natural Furanone", specifically - when ordering supplements. www.nutritionalsupplements.com/faranone.html"I am always out searching for the supplements that actually help. I have come across one called Furanone that sends you into the 3rd and 4th stages of sleep in order to increase growth hormone. This product is one of many pre-cursors to the FDA banned Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate or GHB. It is converted in, I believe, the liver. GHB has been proven to increase levels of HGH by as much as 10 fold, but, and a very important but, it has also been show to increase prolactin levels. The supplement is called Dihydro-2(3H)-furanone, or more commonly referred to as Gamma-Butyrolactone (GBL)." I'm not seeing Delisea pulchra supplements per se, this is the red algae that is found off of the coast of Australia, I believe they are still in the patent and development processes? Can anyone find a Delisea pulchra or a possible good red algae or marine supplement?
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Post by jeany on Mar 18, 2010 8:17:17 GMT -5
Chlamydia has a very unique life-cycle, in which in alternates between a non-replicating, infectious elementary body, and a replicating, non-infectious reticulate body. We were talking about this. It might explain the occurrence of infection resp. contagiousness, meaning, that this disease is only transmittable depending on the Chlamydia life cycle. I've been tested positive with CPN and was treated with high doses Clarithromycin over weeks. Jeany
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Post by jeany on Mar 18, 2010 8:29:58 GMT -5
Once inside a cell the elementary body germinates as the result of interaction with glycogen, and converts to its vegetative, reticulate form. The reticulate form divides every 2-3 hours, and has an incubation period of about 7-21 days in its host. Interacts with glycogen?..interesting!..so, this would mean, that if we're ingesting high amounts of glycogen with our daily diet, that we are actually enhancing it's replication resp. 'supporting' it's life cycle? Jeany
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Post by jeany on Mar 18, 2010 8:41:08 GMT -5
We all know that Dr. Martin found a high number of Morgellons patients tested positive for C. pneumonia? I have looked for a link to his reporting this and cannot find it any longer, I believe it was 100%, can anyone find it? Martin's information might have been from where Carnicom drew his conclusions? I thought this was a very good article that I just found while looking: "How to Treat Morgellons Disease www.ehow.com/how_2090043_treat-morgellons-disease.htmlStep 1 - Ask your doctor to test you for Chlamydia pneumoniae. Researchers have associated a high number of Morgellons patients with these bacteria. Treatment includes 6 months to 3 years of amoxicillin, N-acetyl cysteine, doxycycline and azithromycin. Step 2 - Get tested for Lyme disease. Researchers have linked Morgellons disease to Lyme disease, and many Morgellons patients have had a positive Lyme titer. Doctors treat Lyme disease with tetracycline, penicillin, cephalosporin and erythromycin. Step 3 - Learn if you harbor Babesia microti, a protozoan associated with Lyme disease infection. It causes the joint pain, fatigue and shortness of breath many Morgellons patients experience. Treatments include clindamycin, quinine, atovaquone and azithromycin." etc. CPN is considered a co-infection to Lyme's Disease ergo to Morgellons Disease as they seem 'linked', according to the medical community. My treatment for Borrelia, Ehrlichia and CPN was a 'mix' of high doses antibiotics, also IV, Quensyl and a two week treatment with Metrodinazole..btw..a medicine for anaerobic bacteria and protozoa! I also added NAC to my supplements which has great effects on the metabolism and detoxification. Jeany
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Post by jeany on Mar 18, 2010 8:52:49 GMT -5
Looking Closer at Furanone Furanone has different numbers to describe its chemical composition, we are looking for "(5Z)-4-Bromo-5-(bromomethylene)-3-butyl-2(5H)-furanone(furanone) of the marine alga Delisea pulchra" or "natural Furanone", specifically - when ordering supplements. www.nutritionalsupplements.com/faranone.html"I am always out searching for the supplements that actually help. I have come across one called Furanone that sends you into the 3rd and 4th stages of sleep in order to increase growth hormone. This product is one of many pre-cursors to the FDA banned Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate or GHB. It is converted in, I believe, the liver. GHB has been proven to increase levels of HGH by as much as 10 fold, but, and a very important but, it has also been show to increase prolactin levels. The supplement is called Dihydro-2(3H)-furanone, or more commonly referred to as Gamma-Butyrolactone (GBL)." I'm not seeing Delisea pulchra supplements per se, this is the red algae that is found off of the coast of Australia, I believe they are still in the patent and development processes? Can anyone find a Delisea pulchra or a possible good red algae or marine supplement? I just read on a German site that Irish Moss soap is made out of red algae!..Is that the reason, why some folks here are having good results by using it? and...red algae also contains Chlorophyll and Iodine. Jeany
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Post by jeany on Mar 18, 2010 9:16:04 GMT -5
GBL is a lactone. The name lactone derives from the ring compound called lactide, which is formed from the dehydration of 2-hydroxypropanoic acid ( lactic acid) CH3-CH(OH)-COOH. Lactic acid, in turn, derives its name from its original isolation from soured milk (Latin: lac, lactis). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LactoneJeany
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Post by jeany on Mar 18, 2010 9:36:39 GMT -5
Components of Irish Moss soap:
FRAGRANCE
Bergamot, lemon, orange, rosemary and coriander give the head note its freshness and naturalness.
Lavender and spicy notes, such as cedarwood, geranium and clove determine the heart note.
Striking elements like patchouli, moos and tonka bean bring out the masculine character of the scent.
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