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Post by bannanny on Mar 18, 2010 18:33:51 GMT -5
I started taking liquid chlorophyll jeany and check this site out that Jen sent me about iodine... www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1174118The "painted iodine" self-test eliminates a fungal infection
Using a 2% tincture of iodine solution I obtained from a local drug store and a Q-tip to apply it to my skin, I applied about a 2 inch by 2 inch round circle to my chest. I used the iodine that leaves a yellow- orange color on the skin. A clear iodine product is also available in drug stores but you cannot read it visually to determine your iodine status so you need to buy the colored iodine solution.
I found that within 3 hours the orange iodine strain had completely disappeared meaning that I was very deficient in iodine. The next day I applied it once more and again it vanished in a few hours. The altmedangel site stated that if the iodine circle vanishes in less than 4 hours that you are iodine deficient. The test then also becomes the treatment for the iodine deficiency condition. After about 2 weeks of applying the iodine solution to my skin daily, the time for complete absorption increased to almost 24 hours. I then stopped applying the iodine on a daily basis but will retest it once a week.
Surprisingly, the athlete's foot problem disappeared gradually over the first 3 days of painting the iodine solution on my skin. This happened even though the iodine was never applied to my feet. Apparently the iodine absorbed into my body through my skin had a systemic effect in killing off the candida albicans circulating in the blood stream and having settled in my feet.
My body temperature also returned to a normal 98.6 degrees F during the day and I felt much warmer all over. The iodine painted on my skin had a faster therapeutic effect than did the thyroid medication I had taken a few years ago. I discontinued the _ grain thyroid supplement about a year ago after I first started painting iodine solution on my skin. It was about a month after I had stopped using the iodine solution this summer that the athlete's foot problem resurfaced.
I am convinced that the needs for iodine will vary from person to person. Persons with viremia and chronic infections with high titers will need more supplemental iodine as the iodine will interact with the infectious agents in the blood and lymph fluid and bind the iodine making it unavailable to the thyroid. As the level of the infection declines so will the need for iodine also decline. This will show up on the skin as a slower absorption rate of the painted iodine.
I have talked with many people in the past several years who have had a lifetime struggle with candida albicans and fungal infections. Nearly all of them suffered from low body temperature. These people often had high titers for HHV-6, CMV. EBV and/or other chronic infections.
Could painting a circle of iodine solution on the skin daily help get rid of the candida albicans, parasites, HHV-6, herpes, hepatitis and multiple other bacterial, fungal, parasitic and viral infections including HIV?
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Post by Sidney on Mar 18, 2010 21:40:03 GMT -5
WOW! Bannanny, thank you so much for sharing this extremely interesting information!
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 4:32:22 GMT -5
Yes, Banny, TY, I'm going to try it on my ears! To show how the order of Chlamydiales is changing and how they had discovered 5 new species, this article is from the 1999 Society for General Microbiology: ijs.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/49/2/415"Emended description of the order Chlamydiales, proposal of Parachlamydiaceae fam. nov. and Simkaniaceae fam. nov., each containing one monotypic genus, revised taxonomy of the family Chlamydiaceae, including a new genus and five new species, and standards for the identification of organisms" Let me look at the species and family mentioned to see if any of them resemble what we're seeing microscopically or if I can find newer articles with more additions to these findings. From this article we can see that a "sister" Simkaniaceae contains a "cousin" species names Simkania negevenis. So, if Simkaniaceae is a "sister", then Waddlia, Neochamydia, Parachamydia, and Chamydophila are, too. Our pathogens might be one of these or one not identified yet, we can see the family tree in this diagram below in Figure 1., feel free to help me look. In my research, I also saw a reference to "Protochlamydia", which I'm not sure where it fits in? www.chlamydiae.com/docs/chlamydiales/family_parachlamydiaceae.asp
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 4:58:39 GMT -5
Before I start looking more into this genus, I wanted to mention something that Jeany and I have discussed since studying Chlamydia is that her symptoms went away prior to coming to America and her Lyme/Morgellons doctors gave her 2 weeks of Flagyl near the end of her treatment, I'm not sure if it was for her Chlamydia pneumonia, or not? She says that the Flagyl kills the amoeba aspect and I'll let her go into more detail about that.
Most of us are aware that Chlamydia trachomatis (which also looks similar to our 'spheres') is a sexually transmitted disease with people not necessarily showing evident symptoms. From our cultured saliva experiment, we believe that the Morgellons pathogens are in our body fluids and if there is an amoeba aspect, as Jan Smith's research recently indicates, then the addition of Flagyl or a similar drug taken at some point in the antibiotic course might make the difference in completely ridding our pathogens or not? Flagyl is a drug treatment for Chlamydia trachomatis. Jeany's experience indicates that the addition of Flagyl might be effective in treating these other "sisters" and "cousins" in the expanding Chlamydiales order?
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Post by jeany on Mar 19, 2010 6:15:18 GMT -5
Before I start looking more into this genus, I wanted to mention something that Jeany and I have discussed since studying Chlamydia is that her symptoms went away prior to coming to America and her Lyme/Morgellons doctors gave her 2 weeks of Flagyl near the end of her treatment, I'm not sure if it was for her Chlamydia pneumonia, or not? She says that the Flagyl kills the amoeba aspect and I'll let her go into more detail about that. Most of us are aware that Chlamydia trachomatis (which also looks similar to our 'spheres') is a sexually transmitted disease with people not necessarily showing evident symptoms. From our cultured saliva experiment, we believe that the Morgellons pathogens are in our body fluids and if there is an amoeba aspect, as Jan Smith's research recently indicates, then the addition of Flagyl or a similar drug taken at some point in the antibiotic course might make the difference in completely ridding our pathogens or not? Flagyl is a drug treatment for Chlamydia trachomatis. Jeany's experience indicates that Flagyl might be effective in treating these other sisters and cousins in the same Chlamydia order? By onset of Morgellons Disease I was tested positive for Borrelia, Ehrlichia and Chlamydia Pneumonae and was treated with longterm antibiotics and at the end, a two week treatment with Metronidazole (in USA called Flagyl). My doctor explained that Metronidazole is used to eliminate the protozoan part of the infection, mainly the amoeba, which IMO, IS the so called biofilm and would explain the creepy crawling sensations as amoeba tend to spread and move slowly. After this course I was symptom free and showed no evident signs of Morgellons Disease. It was a tough 12 week, with one week full blown IV antibiotic treatment. I must mention, that it is very important within a long term use of antibiotics to keep your intestinal 'good' bacteria in balance, otherwise a full blown yeast and fungal infection can occur. I prevented this successfully with taking probiotics and additional supplements. Most 'normal' docs are against high doses and long term treatment of antibiotics due to the risk of intestinal inflammation, which is very dangerous. There are controversy opinions, but most Lyme doctors consider this as the only way to rid Borrelia and other related pathogens. Within the initial diagnosis, I was also tested for Chlamydia trachomatis, which was negative. Infections with CTM cause a greenish discharge in women although men can be infected showing no infectious signs at all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetronidazoleMetronidazole is a nitroimidazole antibiotic medication used mainly in the treatment of infections caused by susceptible organisms, particularly anaerobic bacteria and protozoa. Metronidazole, taken up by diffusion, is selectively absorbed by anaerobic bacteria and sensitive protozoa. Once taken up by anaerobes, it is non-enzymatically reduced by reacting with reduced ferredoxin, which is generated by pyruvate:ferredoxin* oxido-reductase. *there's iron again! NOTE: Metronidazole should not be used while on antidepressants! Recently, there have been reported cases of SSRI/SNRI antidepressant drugs and metronidazole induced serotonin syndrome, this information is not included on the metronidazole patient information leaflet. SSRI and SNRI antidepressants include Prozac, Lexapro, Celexa, Zoloft, Effexor, etc. Jeany
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Post by jeany on Mar 19, 2010 7:24:39 GMT -5
Just wanted to mention that slime molds (dicty) are also protozoa!, which would mean Flagyl should be able to eliminate it.
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 7:42:22 GMT -5
TY Jeany for sharing your information!
To re-cap - if you are taking Prozac, Lexapro, Celexa, Zoloft, Effexor, etc., you should NOT mix it with Flagyl. And, there are other known drugs and alcohol that should not be mixed also; study the interactions before taking it.
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 8:12:01 GMT -5
Ok, what does this 1999 article say? ijs.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/49/2/415"The current taxonomic classification of Chlamydia is based on limited phenotypic, morphologic and genetic criteria. This classification does not take into account recent analysis of the ribosomal operon or recently identified obligately intracellular organisms that have a chlamydia-like developmental cycle of replication. Neither does it provide a systematic rationale for identifying new strains. In this study, phylogenetic analyses of the 16S and 23S rRNA genes are presented with corroborating genetic and phenotypic information to show that the order Chlamydiales contains at least four distinct groups at the family level and that within the Chlamydiaceae are two distinct lineages which branch into nine separate clusters." ** Where is the rRNA testing data for our chlamydia-like organism? Why hasn't this been done to date and published?"In this report a reclassification of the order Chlamydiales and its current taxa is proposed. This proposal retains currently known strains with > 90% 16S rRNA identity in the family Chlamydiaceae and separates other chlamydia-like organisms that have 80--90% 16S rRNA relatedness to the Chlamydiaceae into new families." **These rRNA numbers will tell us where our organism belongs in this family."Chlamydiae that were previously described as ‘Candidatus Parachlamydia acanthamoebae’ Amann, Springer, Schönhuber, Ludwig, Schmid, Müller and Michel 1997, become members of Parachlamydiaceae fam. nov., Parachlamydia acanthamoebae gen. nov., sp. nov. ‘Simkania’ strain Z becomes the founding member of Simkaniaceae fam. nov., Simkania negevensis gen. nov., sp. nov. The fourth group, which includes strain WSU 86--1044, was left unnamed." **WSU 86--1044?... left unnamed in 1999... ?? What is its name today, what are its characteristics?"The Chlamydiaceae, which currently has only the genus Chlamydia, is divided into two genera, Chlamydia and Chlamydophila gen. nov. Two new species, Chlamydia muridarum sp. nov. and Chlamydia suis sp. nov., join Chlamydia trachomatis in the emended genus Chlamydia. Chlamydophila gen. nov. assimilates the current species, Chlamydia pecorum, Chlamydia pneumoniae and Chlamydia psittaci, to form Chlamydophila pecorum comb. nov., Chlamydophila pneumoniae comb. nov. and Chlamydophila psittaci comb. nov. Three new Chlamydophila species are derived from Chlamydia psittaci: Chlamydophila abortus gen. nov., sp. nov., Chlamydophila caviae gen. nov., sp. nov. and Chlamydophila felis gen. nov., sp. nov. Emended descriptions for the order Chlamydiales and for the family Chlamydiaceae are provided. These families, genera and species are readily distinguished by analysis of signature sequences in the 165 and 235 ribosomal genes." **Some of the family members to investigate. We can see how two or three of these different Chlamydophila are coming together to form a new species? This might explain how we are seeing 'spheres' that appear similar but are preforming different duties, reproducing differently and that we have a combination of 4 or more happening inside our disease?I need a more current report to see what has developed since 1999.
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Post by jeany on Mar 19, 2010 9:54:38 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that Metrodinazole is also used in treating Rosacea, a facial skin infection, caused by Dermodex mites!
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 14:48:20 GMT -5
Frog / Koala Disease and Morgellons The first years in my home in Atlanta, I had so many frogs around it in the summertime, it was so loud and eerie sounding, like a bad Alfred Hitchcock frog movie. Then the past 2 summers not a single frog, it was very quiet - I have to say, this is even more eerie! There had always been frogs around my house - where did all the frogs go? As a matter of a fact, I don't recall there being as many cricket or "caddiedids" sounds, either. jcm.asm.org/cgi/reprint/37/7/2378.pdf"Chlamydia pneumoniae in a Free-Ranging Giant Barred Frog (Mixophyes iteratus) from Australia The koala biovar of Chlamydia pneumoniae was identified in lung tissue from a sick, free-ranging giant barred frog (Mixophyes iteratus) by using electron microscopy, C. pneumoniae-specific fluorescent-antibody staining, cell culture, and sequencing of the ompA, ompB and 16S rRNA genes. This is the first report of a chlamydial strain infecting both a homeotherm and a poikilotherm and only the fourth host (in addition to humans, koalas, and horses) to be naturally infected with this species of Chlamydia. The frog had severe, chronic, mononuclear pneumonia and nonregenerative anemia and pancytopenia. Chlamydia infections have been reported previously in captive amphibians, causing moderate to high mortality rates in various species... There have also been a few case reports of Chlamydia infections in captive and wild reptiles. In all cases, however, the chlamydial species was either unknown or assumed to be C. psittaci. Here we report the first isolation of Chlamydia from a frog in Australia and demonstrate that it is identical to the C. pneumoniae strain that infects koalas." I cannot link the photos in the .pdf file but look at the photograph in Figure 4 taken at 700nm, what they are calling example "I", "condensed elementary bodies" is very similar to a photograph that I took that I called "Mr. Brown Eye" cultured from my ear, 28 days growth, at 450x: [/img][/center] "The chlamydial particles included dense elementary bodies (314 6 39 nm in diameter [mean 6 standard deviation; n 5 12]), intermediate bodies (371 6 44 nm [n 5 12]), and numerous dividing reticulate bodies (537 6 130 nm [n 5 12]) (Fig. 4). The round elementary bodies had eccentric nuclei and a narrow or nonexistent periplasmic space. Mitochondria were not associated with the inclusion membrane. These ultrastructural characteristics are consistent with those of C. pneumoniae (14). The human strains of C. pneumoniae have also recently been shown to be able to infect and grow in both peripheral blood and alveolar macrophages (15) as well as vascular endothelium and arterial smooth muscle cells (1). At this stage, however, we are unsure of the source of infection, although the Orara East State forest where the frog was found contains a significant population of koalas and reports indicate that C. pneumoniae infection is common in most Australian koala populations. Several studies have reported the very high genetic similarity of human C. pneumoniae strains (5) and also the clonality of koala C. pneumoniae strains (24), suggesting a possible recent divergence of these biovars. It is possible that the infection of a wild frog described in this report was an isolated incident, or alternatively, increased testing may show that amphibians are commonly infected with C. pneumoniae and that they are a natural reservoir for this species." We need to look at the various animals that are becoming sick in nature at this time to see if there is a correlation between their disease and ours, one inclusive of the bats, bees, frogs, and we need to especially look at what has happened to the koala and frogs with this Chlamydia aspect. It looks highly probable that those of us with evident Morgellons have a disease similar to what is eliminating the frog and koala populations, this needs looked into closer. I can easily see the correlation between the fungus gnat/baculorviral vector with the koala, frog, horse, reptile, cat, dog and man. Once again, we have GIANT cells involved in our disease, look at "Mr. Brown Eye" in the photo above, he's bulging out of the frame! I have shown you thousands of photos of GIANT spheres taken at 100x. The cell infecting the koala and frog are also GIANT C. pneumonia cells called "large inclusions". " Koala Biovar of Chlamydia pneumoniae Infects Human and Koala Monocytes and Induces Increased Uptake of Lipids In Vitro iai.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/69/12/7894We examined the ability of the koala biovar of Chlamydia pneumoniae to infect both Hep-2 cells and human monocytes and the effect of infection on the formation of foam cells. The koala biovar produced large inclusions in both human and koala monocytes and in Hep-2 cells."
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Post by bannanny on Mar 19, 2010 15:48:30 GMT -5
We used to have frogs here in the summertime too... but haven't seen or heard any in the past few years. You're probably saying"What? You live in the high desert... how could you have frogs?" Well, that's true, but Lake Elizabeth is a big lake and just 2 miles up the canyon. Lake Hughes is 2 miles from Lake Eleizabeth. So yeah, we have frogs! We used to have alot of snakes in the summer too and even they've been disappearing! The bunny population seemed to diminish too but in the last 2 years, they seem to be coming back... so that's a good thing.
Anyway, what I'm gettin here is you're saying we should take flagyl right? Can you get it off the internet or does it have to be prescribed? A few people here have come down with pnemonia lately too. Is that something Chlamydia pneumoniae could be responsible for or are the names just the same? Goin back to the chat room now guys!
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 17:04:15 GMT -5
I don't think just taking Flagyl alone is going to work? I'm pretty sure it requires a physician's prescription. I made a post yesterday that contained which antibiotics were recommended to take for C. pneumonia and Jeany listed the one her Lyme doctors gave her, earlier today. And, it is not the same strain that an OBGYN tests for, it will not show with them unless they can send your blood out to a lab, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlamydophila_pneumoniae"Chlamydophila pneumoniae is a species of Chlamydophila bacteria[1][2][3] that infects humans and is a major cause of pneumonia. Until recently it was known as "Chlamydia pneumoniae", and that name is used as an alternate in some sources.[4] In some cases, to avoid confusion, both names are given.[5] C. pneumoniae has a complex life cycle and must infect another cell in order to reproduce and thus is classified as an obligate intracellular pathogen. In addition to its role in pneumonia, there is evidence associating C. pneumoniae with atherosclerosis, Alzheimer's disease and with asthma." And... my ear lesion is most likely skin pneumonia.
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 20:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Mar 19, 2010 22:34:09 GMT -5
quote author=jeany Here's an interesting article according CPN and how it's linked to atherosclerosis. Chlamydia pneumonae infected cells turn in to 'foam cells' by 'feeding off' on Cholesterol and lipids. The foam cells are also called lipid macrophage cells. www.graduateschool.uwm.edu/research/spectrum/snapshots/anthony-azenabor/When Chlamydia pneumoniae—a respiratory pathogen that causes pneumonia and bronchitis—encounters macrophages, it assumes a chronic form, changing itself into a stubborn variant that infects the infection-fighters. C. pneumoniae is of particular concern because of its connection to atherosclerosis, a clogging, narrowing, and hardening of the body's arteries that can lead to stroke or heart attack, as well as eye and kidney problems. The pathogen releases signals that render macrophages' toxic-chemical-producing enzymes ineffective as "killing molecules." It hijacks their intracellular cholesterol, which macrophages need to stretch and move effectively. And C. pneumoniae causes macrophages to take on extracellular cholesterol and lipids that they can't use. As these Chlamydia-infected cells take on more and more cholesterol, they become immobile foam cells. They multiply and accumulate in blood vessel walls, forming lesions that are the precursors of atherosclerosis. C. pneumoniae attaches to macrophages, it initiates a pattern of calcium ion movement into macrophages that disturbs the production of toxic radicals that would normally kill microbes. But recently, Azenabor and his team discovered a drug that kills C. pneumoniae outright. He can't discuss details of this brand-new technology, disclosing only that he applied for a patent in March, and has submitted his findings for publication to the journal Medical Microbiology and Immunology. *this article is from 2006. Perhaps we should look if we can find his 'CPN killer drug'? Jeany
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Post by kammy on Mar 20, 2010 7:08:01 GMT -5
duplicate post from Zoonotic Thread: Morgellons Is Partially the Frog Fungus Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis or Chytrid I'm looking for Stock Photos of Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis on the Web to see if I can match them with my microscopic photos of cultured human Morgellons samples. www.esf.edu/efb/brunner/research.htmDevelopment of Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis zoospores. The name of the photograph above is "ChytridDevelopment.png", this suggests that this is how the Chytrid species develops overall? Below is a comparison from human ear lesion, cultured in nutrient agar at 30 days growth at 100x: I'm noticing that there aren't too many good microscopic stock photos, but this one above is a good example to give us an indication that Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis or a Chytrid fungus species is most likely involved as one of the mystery Morgellons fungi.Literature says, "Chytrids will not infect human skin since they do not multiply above 31° C." something is definitely happening in my ear lesion photo above and it's above 31 degrees C (87.8 F)! A hybrid?
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Post by toni on Mar 20, 2010 7:17:19 GMT -5
Kammy,
Have you taken Metronidazole/flagyl at all? I'd taken it in 06 the pills, and had it IV'ed in 08, and then another 2 weeks of the pills thereafter too.
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Post by kammy on Mar 20, 2010 7:33:24 GMT -5
The Big Secret? Well... what does all of this mean, is this the big secret behind Morgellons Disease? The animal species are being attacked by environmental factors to create disease, wipe-out of large populations, etc. - up the chain, the frog disease has transmitted to man worldwide? What does this information suggest on a global scale? We can see that millions of dollars have been spent studying the frog disease, these scientists hopefully have some answers that they can easily transfer over to the medical professionals in regard to how the fungal and chlamydial aspect of the frog's disease is manifesting itself inside of Morgellons Disease. Now, it's just a matter of blood testing or skin through biopsies to match to the frog's pathogens, to get this information into the right hands and let it be verified or dismissed. It's not JUST "the frog disease" we have, this thread is about the hidden aspect - the frog chlamydia and fungus doesn't begin to explain the insects coming out of our skin! What made the koala, frog, reptiles, bats sick?... this is a small fly-nematode/water disease, that's the hidden part, that's what I've been calling the "baculorviral aspect" and showed how it is happening inside the chlamydia or fungal spheres (to be studied). The question is... How did it get in there to begin with? and... How do we stop it?... AND... the U.S. Army is going to tell you all about this... any day now. (The puzzling part to me is... I can see how all of these animal species that have become sick are in contact with the gnat/nematode, but... the bees and butterflies?...)
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Post by kammy on Mar 20, 2010 7:50:55 GMT -5
Kammy, Have you taken Metronidazole/flagyl at all? I'd taken it in 06 the pills, and had it IV'ed in 08, and then another 2 weeks of the pills thereafter too. No, Toni - I haven't had very much of the right medications during the course of my illness with Morgellons Disease. I have been labeled "DOP" on my medical charts by a Dermatologist's analysis of my psychiatric mental state, this follows me and I have been mostly dismissed or ignored by doctors, in fact; told to me by my primary care physician - 'to find another doctor' and refused to be given basic treatment. I have come to Germany because the doctors are more receptive to their patients, they are not dictated to by the Insurance Companies, as the States appear to be. I am trying to get in to the Lyme/Morgellons doctors in Augsburg however, my American Insurance does not cover this group of doctors. I am soon to speak with them on how best I can be seen and have obtained Residency, I may need to purchase a German Health Insurance plan?
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Post by toni on Mar 20, 2010 8:30:28 GMT -5
Kammy,
I know what you mean (about the doctors). I'd not found any either that insurance paid for - the Morgs docs are far and few between. I hope you can find the right doc there.
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Post by kammy on Mar 20, 2010 8:59:27 GMT -5
Kammy, I know what you mean (about the doctors). I'd not found any either that insurance paid for - the Morgs docs are far and few between. I hope you can find the right doc there. Well, TY, Toni, I appreciate it, of course, I will share any information I find out. I'm wondering if all this "jockeying" in the U.S. today about the new health care plan, the rise in Insurance costs, etc., has anything to do with them having advanced knowledge of what is causing Morgellons and the Insurance companies are preparing for the incoming? Oh, and look at the money due to come to the Big Pharma to treat this? It seems like Big Pharma and the Insurance Companies would be fighting it out - 'come on... let's let it be known so we can sell lots of product'... nah, they probably own each other somehow, they'll make money either way?
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