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Post by kammy on Apr 6, 2010 13:04:22 GMT -5
Geez! I was looking for another caterpillar eaten up by a baculovirus, I've seen one that looks exactly like the pinna of my ear that I can't find... and I see this article!: Caterpillar Flu Vaccine Delayed The FDA wants further evidence that the novel approach is completely safe. Dec 2009 www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/24031/?a=fThese look somewhat familiar?: ![](http://www.technologyreview.com/files/35084/protein_x220.jpg) "Growing immunity: These images show insect cells growing without virus genes (top) and with virus genes (bottom). Scientists say the approach can produce 100,000 doses of vaccine per week, and can be adapted for different viruses, including H1N1 (swine flu). Credit: Protein Sciences" "Instead of growing viruses in chicken eggs, researchers inject virus strains into insect cells." I vote, "No!", what about you? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) You think they've put insect cells in us and not just the DNA? I wouldn't put it past them?... Look out! It's on the horizon, if it isn't already here: "Researchers raise bugs for pharmaceutical drugs" www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/97/10.2.97/bugpharm.html"They go from bugs to drugs. Thanks to the confluence of a new technology in virology and a recent patent in rearing insects, scientists at the Boyce Thompson Institute for Plant Research Inc. (BTI) at Cornell have found a better way to produce commercial quantities of recombinant pharmaceutical proteins -- out of insect larvae."
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Post by toni on Apr 6, 2010 13:20:21 GMT -5
Hi Has anyone tried cold pressed coconut oil on ears. Also do oil pulling to pull stuff out of the head area. Try to get this stuff away from the head as much as possible. Also would not hurt to take 2 TB of coconut oil a day internally. Takes about two weeks to see the effects. Oil pulling start out with just 3 minutes and slowly work up to 10 and than up to 20. You just hold the coconut oil in mouth and spit in garbage can when done. Lot of healing propertys in Cold presses coconut oil and fights bacteria and fungas. In Light Lynn You'd asked if anyone tried cold pressed coconut oil. Yes, I use to sit here (on a giant Glad Bag) covering my desk chair so I'd not get oil on it, and I was physically slathered from head to toe in it for weeks on end back in 06. I also take the supplements.
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Post by kammy on Apr 6, 2010 13:24:10 GMT -5
Hi Has anyone tried cold pressed coconut oil on ears. Also do oil pulling to pull stuff out of the head area. Try to get this stuff away from the head as much as possible. Also would not hurt to take 2 TB of coconut oil a day internally. Takes about two weeks to see the effects. Oil pulling start out with just 3 minutes and slowly work up to 10 and than up to 20. You just hold the coconut oil in mouth and spit in garbage can when done. Lot of healing propertys in Cold presses coconut oil and fights bacteria and fungas. In Light Lynn You'd asked if anyone tried cold pressed coconut oil. Yes, I use to sit here (on a giant Glad Bag) covering my desk chair so I'd not get oil on it, and I was physically slathered from head to toe in it for weeks on end back in 06. I also take the supplements. Do you think it helped you, Toni?
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Post by kammy on Apr 6, 2010 13:30:22 GMT -5
Here it is: [/img][/center] My ear: I know what I'm dealing with. Those of you with superficial lesions that are producing specks on any place of your body other than the pinna of the ears and possibly your lips - are not feeling the full effect of how this product was designed to preform. The pinna and lips are the two body parts that are similar to the caterpillar - the object pest that the baculoviral product is designed to kill. Having such an ear lesion has made it easier for me to determine what is happening inside our disease. I'm not just out here whistling Dixie, I have foundation to what I'm saying. I spend most of my waking hours every day trying to free my ear from what's happening inside of it, I have lost ground this winter - that's the reason for a lot of my down time and not posting, I am getting progressively worse.
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Post by kammy on Apr 6, 2010 14:07:09 GMT -5
No, it's not ok. No, it's not ok that they have put these ungodly agents inside of us. It's not ok that we're having to deal with what we're dealing with. This is the end of my thumb that has become ground down, permanently indented from trying to save my ear: ![](http://my-stuff-dot-com.com/LB/DSCN1472.jpg)
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Post by jeany on Apr 6, 2010 14:33:50 GMT -5
ahh, Kammy, don't worry! As long as your ear doesn't turn in to this, I'll still love ya..hehe..lol.. ![](http://i41.tinypic.com/nlpq9j.jpg)
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Post by kammy on Apr 6, 2010 14:39:32 GMT -5
lol... gee thanks, Jeany - you're a true friend!
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Post by monika on Apr 6, 2010 17:49:55 GMT -5
Eine Deutchlander Ja? Where in Bavaria? My Mother and Oma are from Reichmansdorf, Ashbach, and Bamberg!!
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Post by jeany on Apr 6, 2010 18:27:50 GMT -5
Eine Deutchlander Ja? Where in Bavaria? My Mother and Oma are from Reichmansdorf, Ashbach, and Bamberg!! Hi Monika, Ja!..Reichmannsdorf and Bamberg are in Bavaria, not sure about Aschbach though, or do you mean Ansbach? We live in south Bavaria, between Nuremberg and Munich, actually the region is called Franconia, about a 2 hours drive by car to the Austrian boarder. Tell your momma and oma HI! from good ol' Germany!.. Jeany
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Post by monika on Apr 6, 2010 20:43:12 GMT -5
Kammy,
No surprise that Ashbach does not ring any bells. It is a tiny country town with one main road very very small. it is about 3 hours drive from Frankfurt, Bamberg is the closest notable town. They have 2 cows the folks get their milk from, a bakeri, a butcher, a small grocery and a few gasthauses and one with a sportsferein for soccer games.
Gotta love Bavaria!!
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Post by toni on Apr 6, 2010 21:00:36 GMT -5
You'd asked if anyone tried cold pressed coconut oil. Yes, I use to sit here (on a giant Glad Bag) covering my desk chair so I'd not get oil on it, and I was physically slathered from head to toe in it for weeks on end back in 06. I also take the supplements. Do you think it helped you, Toni? Kammy, when I first had the onset of Morgs (itching crawling lesions) I sat here daily covered head to toe in three different things, (not at the same time) but I gave each product a good run. First was the cold pressed coconut oil. (didn't phase anything for me) in regards to morgs. Then a couple of weeks after that ( extra virgin olive oil) didn't do anything. Then the sulphur cream from Platinum Skin Care, (and that didn't change or phase anything for me either). I did these things after I'd been to soooo many doctors telling me nothing was wrong except dry skin, or allergies, or DOP-as they seemed to just be reaching for anything.
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Post by kammy on Apr 7, 2010 6:13:25 GMT -5
I have a thread called the "Bad Morgie Ear" thread on MDR as some of you may or may not know about? I thought since I took a photo of my ear - I'd put it over there? There's some very smart folks over there and we got on these topics below - I thought I'd share:
Venetia recommended salt and lemon combination to help my ear:
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Thanks Venetia - I haven't tried those two together yet. I took the photo of my ears for the other thread and just had to share those over here... Those photos show my ears looking good! lol BECAUSE... Kat/Jeany got this cream that has 25 ingredients for free when she ordered some vitamins and I put it on my ear and it started working immediately. I tell you, nothing has worked!
I'm thinking that we all have something that works for our lesions and it appears to be different from person to person? You remember how MM sported the Vita-K and said her ears cleared up quickly? Or, Toni says the milk/yogurt works for her? - I never did find the Vita-K but I can say the milk/yogurt, peroxide, baking soda, salt, GSE - do very little to help me. Believe me, I have tried to take back my ears! So, that's why I've been out here running my mouth and don't go away - I'm still looking...
I packed my ear in this cream last night - cut out a corner of a baggie and used a rubber band and kept the plastic on my ear all night to keep the medicine wet - I think I'm making some progress. Only time will tell... let us hope for me that I can claim my ears back? So, if this cream doesn't work - I'll try some others or alternate if the cream appears to stop working... ty, all for your suggestions.
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Post by kammy on Apr 7, 2010 6:18:50 GMT -5
I had a light bulb go off talking to the gals over there, I came up with: "The Far-Fetched Theory" QUOTE=Kammy Ok, here's the 'far-fetched' theory, but it is really? It's the only thing that makes any sense so far, what do you think? If there's anything I say that you don't understand - just ask for clarification. This topic probably deserves a thread to itself, we'll see if it warrants one, have an open mind, ladies? Last night when I saw the reference to Crypto, and TC didn't understand the reference to it - I thought about it. As some may not know, very early in my research - I stated that one of our spheres (thinking all were the same - ha ha) was Crypto. Crypto has a very distinct characteristics, the big red planet in solar system, hard to mis-identify. Well... did I see Crypto or not? Being a very truthful person, I believed I did - enough to create a thread and write a lot of information about it. This got me to thinking... what if - In that person's sample - they acquired the 'expression' of Crypto in their Morgellons and that's what I saw and reported? What are we dealing with - 'expressions' - as in baculoviral expressions - the dna of one thing is present only for a short time in the life cycle of the entire 'entity' (our individual disease cycles). As another example - we've heard Angela's proclamation that the I. belli is present. We can see the I. belli in most all human samples - yet - is the I. belli really present? Toni asked Angela something like - 'if the I. belli is present, why aren't people seeing the main symptom of I. belli', which is diarrhea? How can we explain that? I believe the I. belli houses the 'dicty'. We see what we believe is the 'dicty' - which is next appearing to house a gnat larvae, therefore, is the dicty really present or just the dna that allows the dicty artifact to be seen for a short time only present? Of course, we have the actual physical 'fixtures' that are at the foundation of our disease - that we all have in common, such as - as what Carnicom has named the 'chlamydia-like' spores. I have caught it the act with microscopic photographs of morphing from I. belli to 'dicty' to the gnat larvae. I have seen 'expressions' of 'others' that are only present for a short time. I have posted some of these findings in the past. How many pathogens have been named? It is possible that our disease entails all of these named? I believe - 'yes', in some cases, because we mostly seeing 'expressions'. And, if this theory is true - our disease should become more and more convoluted with time and with the more that's added or incorporated. That if we REALLY have all of the pathogens mentioned - we'd be dead or very, very sick. You know how some of us are very, very sick in the beginning of our disease? And, then you invariably hear that within a few months, 6-9 months - most of us get better? Why would that be? Maybe, the first time our bodies are coping with these pathogens in their various forms, 'expressed' or not - and our immune system does what it does - builds the keys for the locks - that where ever the pathogenic aspect is in the total life cycle morphs away and in comes another phase... until - the next time the life cycle repeats itself - we aren't as sick because we have built immunity, and we start to feel better?
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Post by jeany on Apr 7, 2010 6:45:54 GMT -5
For better understanding how this system works, here's a simple diagram: ![](http://i43.tinypic.com/28rdwzl.jpg)
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Post by jeany on Apr 7, 2010 6:50:31 GMT -5
Here's what I'm thinking:
By looking at the Baculoviral bio-pesticide entities and how they 'work' by reassembling and duplicating, each entity aligned to another to react in a certain way we can say we're 'dealing' with several pathogenous dna fragments thus leading thereof to a partial infection which is then observed at that specific time of the infectious cycle.
Jeany
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Post by toni on Apr 7, 2010 9:13:02 GMT -5
Kammy said:
You know how some of us are very, very sick in the beginning of our disease? And, then you invariably hear that within a few months, 6-9 months - most of us get better? Why would that be? Maybe, the first time our bodies are coping with these pathogens in their various forms, 'expressed' or not - and our immune system does what it does - builds the keys for the locks - that where ever the pathogenic aspect is in the total life cycle morphs away and in comes another phase... until - the next time the life cycle repeats itself - we aren't as sick because we have built immunity, and we start to feel better?
Hi Kammy,
I'm not totally clear on what you mean-and I'd like to be.
And not to sound negative, but imho, this (infection) of our body doesn't go away. I think we're initially worse, because it's basically like an invasion (instantaneously) and we feel it at it's utmost degree. As time goes on, I think our body begins to adapt to the invasive (whatevers) but not adapting in a healthy way, but moreso this (infection) settles in and we don't feel it as much because it's quietly doing it's dirty work. But in time greater problems arise because of it's sneakiness, and inability to detect it. Boy, does that sound negative, but it's what I think.
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Post by violet on Apr 7, 2010 10:51:13 GMT -5
Kammy said: You know how some of us are very, very sick in the beginning of our disease? And, then you invariably hear that within a few months, 6-9 months - most of us get better? Why would that be? Maybe, the first time our bodies are coping with these pathogens in their various forms, 'expressed' or not - and our immune system does what it does - builds the keys for the locks - that where ever the pathogenic aspect is in the total life cycle morphs away and in comes another phase... until - the next time the life cycle repeats itself - we aren't as sick because we have built immunity, and we start to feel better? Hi Kammy,
I'm not totally clear on what you mean-and I'd like to be.
And not to sound negative, but imho, this (infection) of our body doesn't go away. I think we're initially worse, because it's basically like an invasion (instantaneously) and we feel it at it's utmost degree. As time goes on, I think our body begins to adapt to the invasive (whatevers) but not adapting in a healthy way, but moreso this (infection) settles in and we don't feel it as much because it's quietly doing it's dirty work. But in time greater problems arise because of it's sneakiness, and inability to detect it. Boy, does that sound negative, but it's what I think.
Hi, Kammy and Toni. My experience has been more in line with Toni's, Kammy. I've had this for over 20 years, and it has gotten worse as time has gone on. I'm very concerned about it. I don't want to be negative, either, but I'm just stating what my experience has been.
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Post by jeany on Apr 7, 2010 11:42:56 GMT -5
I believe, we should also consider a possible adaption of these pathogens which would explain why certain treatments work at one time and at another don't, depending on which infectious cycle is taking place at that time. Also hideous pathogens such as in Lyme's disease would be another point of direction we should look at explaining the supposed connection.
Jeany
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Post by toni on Apr 7, 2010 12:03:07 GMT -5
Imho, I think the pathogens or the symptoms expressed in the body are moreso than just adapting, they keep changing, and continually keep changing to the next "phase".
Like a flu as a comparison. First comes the first phase, then the next and the next. Till it's full blown, and others experience the same. Just like any other "infection"....there's phases that are indicative to whatever each specific ailment is. Which is how they're identified or categorized-by the symptoms. If only one of a specific ailment is obvious, then it's not usually catagorized.
That may sound confusing. What I'm trying to say is LIKE appendicitis for an example. If one only went to the doctors because they had a stomach ache, the doctor wouldn't say, you've got appendicitis (if no other symptoms were present). The doctor must go on the "story" of what the patient is experiencing to establish the probability of the fact that the appendix is involved.
This Morgs seems to be in that same category, in that "phases" occur, and keep occuring - imho. But seemingly more than not, we've all experienced the "basics".
When one phase goes away...the next 'phase comes'...which is why I don't think the same meds work from start to present.
The virus/fungi/bacteriums aren't constantly the same being expressed...or, another possibility imho is that whatever this is in our body, is causing such indiscrete havoc, that it then creates more problems, and only when that problem (say with an organ) or (body part) is becoming hindered by the pathogen(s) winning, do we then realize how damaging it's really becoming - and that's it's not gone anywhere at all. It's only digging deeper and causing damage....instead of it being basically superficial.
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Post by jeany on Apr 7, 2010 12:32:04 GMT -5
Imho, I think the pathogens or the symptoms expressed in the body are moreso than just adapting, they keep changing, and continually keep changing to the next "phase". When one phase goes away...the next 'phase comes'...which is why I don't think the same meds work from start to present. It's only digging deeper and causing damage....instead of it being basically superficial. Exactly, Toni! Thank you. You've basically explained the perpetual infectious cycle. To adapt, to morph and to hide. Jeany
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