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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 20, 2009 0:03:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I have never had heart trouble that I know of. Tonight while lying down only, my heart is doing funny things and my pulse actually stopped during these funny movements. It kinda takes the breath right out of me and I cough. Yes, I can definately feel the wiggling, but there is no pain. BP is normal. Heart rate is quite high, 86 . I am fine when I am sitting up or standing up. Every time I try to lie down, it does it again. WTF?
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Post by Sidney on Oct 20, 2009 0:29:30 GMT -5
From Family Doctor.Org
(Hopefully you're experiencing something that will go away on its own. If no better by morning pleae call your doctor.)
Arrhythmia: A Problem With Your Heartbeat What is an arrhythmia? An arrhythmia is a change in the rhythm of your heartbeat. When the heart beats too fast, it's called tachycardia. When it beats too slow, it's called bradycardia. An arrhythmia can also mean that your heart beats irregularly (skips a beat or has an extra beat). At some time or another, most people have felt their heart race or skip a beat. These occasional changes can be brought on by strong emotions or exercise. They usually are not a cause for alarm. Arrhythmias that occur more often or cause symptoms (see the box below) may be more serious and need to be discussed with your doctor.
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What causes an arrhythmia? What are the symptoms of arrhythmia? Call your doctor if you have any of these symptoms, especially if you have heart disease or have had a heart attack.
•Palpitations or rapid thumping in your chest •Feeling tired or light-headed •Passing out •Shortness of breath •Chest pain The heart has 4 compartments, or chambers. The walls of the heart squeeze together (contract) to push blood through the chambers. The contractions are controlled by an electrical signal that begins in the heart's natural "pacemaker" (called the sinoatrial node). The rate of the contractions is influenced by nerve impulses and hormones in the blood. A problem in any of these can cause an arrhythmia.
Minor arrhythmias may be caused by excessive alcohol use, smoking, caffeine, stress or exercise. The most common cause of arrhythmias is heart disease, particularly coronary artery disease, abnormal heart valve function and heart failure. However, arrhythmias can occur for no known reason.
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Is an arrhythmia serious? In most people, arrhythmias are minor and are not dangerous. A small number of people, however, have arrhythmias that are dangerous and require treatment. Arrhythmias are also more serious if you have other heart problems. In general, arrhythmias that start in the lower chambers of the heart (called the ventricles) are more serious than those that start in the upper chambers (called the atria). Your doctor will talk with you about the type of arrhythmia you have and whether you need treatment.
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How do I know if I have an arrhythmia? Your doctor will ask if you have any of the symptoms listed in the box above. Your doctor may also do some tests. One of these tests is an electrocardiogram, also called ECG or EKG. During this test, your doctor will have you lie down so your heart can be monitored.
Your doctor may also ask you to walk on a treadmill while he or she monitors your heart, or may want to monitor your heart while you do your daily activities. One way to do this is to wear a machine, called a Holter monitor, that continuously records your heart's rhythms for 24 hours. If your doctor wants to monitor your heart for more than 24 hours, he or she might recommend an event-recorder, a machine that records samples of your heart's rhythms and can be worn for a couple of days or longer. Other tests, called electrophysiologic studies, may also give your doctor information about your heart.
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What are some of the types of arrhythmias? •Atrial fibrillation: The heart beats too fast and irregularly. This type of arrhythmia requires treatment and can increase your risk of stroke. •Paroxysmal atrial tachycardia: The heart has episodes when it beats fast, but regularly. This type of arrhythmia may be unpleasant but is usually not dangerous. •Ectopic beats: The heart has an extra beat. Treatment usually is not needed unless you have several extra beats in a row and/or other problems with your heart (such as heart disease or congenital heart failure). •Ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation: The heart beats too fast and may not pump enough blood. These types of arrhythmias are very dangerous and need immediate treatment. Return to top
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Post by ctbarb on Oct 20, 2009 0:34:34 GMT -5
OMG Frito, are you OK? I've had something similar happen, but didn't notice if my pulse stopped or was faint...but that's what happens when that 'Sleeping Giant' that lives inside of me pushes too close to my heart! Did you get very pale? I get white as a sheet, my husband said. Does it happen all the time, or just sporadically? Gosh, what else can happen to us? Please get checked out if it happens again...OK? When I got checked, they found that I had a heart murmur that I had no idea about! Life with "M" is like a box of CrackerJacks...there's a surprise inside everytime!!!
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 20, 2009 0:56:55 GMT -5
I don't know, I have never had anything like this before. Never. And the first thing I thought of was heartworms. It is strictly confined to my heart. I can feel the borders, geesh, if I had any confusion as to where mine is, I don't now. I could feel quivering up top and it trying to contract lower down. This is when my pusle would stop. I couldn't stand it for more than a couple of seconds and then I would start coughing and it would stop. I have tried to lie down four times now. I found some potassium and took half the recommended dose. I am going to try to lay down again.
You can bet your cracker jacks I am going to discuss this with a doc. I was actually thinking about going to the ER. If I go through what I went through earlier, I may even call an ambulance instead.
Its been about 15 minutes since I have taken the potassium. Things seem okay, but I am going to try to lie down. Gesus, if I die in my sleep, my son will have no one.
Barb, I am really glad you happened by. Thanks for being here.
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 20, 2009 0:57:42 GMT -5
Sidney, I couldn't think straight I got so scared. Eeckkk, this is my profession. Thank you for being here.
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 20, 2009 1:15:45 GMT -5
Okay you two. It would seem the potassium has helped calm things down considerably. I was able to lie in bed and not experience what I did earlier. I knew I was feeling better when I started to cry. That is the scariest thing I have ever experienced and I am so sorry if I scared anybody else.
I am very thankful you two were here. If I could hug you personally, I would do just that. Thank you both so much.
And now with my rosary in hand, I am going to try to get some much needed sleep. I work a double tomorrow and some time in between, I am going to have to arrange a doc appointment and labs stat.
Bless you both.
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Post by sammy on Oct 20, 2009 1:29:00 GMT -5
Had the same thing many times. Sooner or later the darts start effecting your heart. Badly. The vitamins won't stop this from occuring again & more when you lay down. Ampicillian will protect the heart from infection. Use only oils for strong heart, salmon oil, ect. Use a mucous buster or a histamine for these events. There were times I had also when I thought I was going to die from these times. The morgs start also attacking your bronchi with webbing inside & the darts outside. It tries it's best to kill you. Built in defense. Take care with this. Hope all goes well.
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Post by sammy on Oct 20, 2009 2:05:06 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/14/cheating.death.harden.cpr/index.htmlThis is not to scare you Frito66, just to let you know stuff is happening world wide...with doctors saying it's a virus. Also, you guys should check out doctors & hospitals that might be involved in this new world order. Or what might be underneath some of them, just like airports. It wasn't GMO's that killed plants in my yard or attacked my fish in my pond. My roses did strange things & turned a shade of green that was not natural. Branches curling in ways that roses do not do.
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Post by overandover on Oct 20, 2009 12:31:25 GMT -5
Frito66 please get to a lung doctor sweetie, remember when that happened to me the Doctor thought I'd had a heart attch. sent me for a whole work up with several test, heart was fine. Heart doc. sent me to lung doctor and they found the problems.
I don't wANT TO SCARE YOU BUT YET i WANT TO SCARE ALL OF YOU INTO GETTING SCARED.
Things can get caught in time. I want all of this stuff to end here......................................... This crap is going to far, too many, it has to stop now, damn it.
Please go to the lung doctor, please, love much xoxoxoxSuebe
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 20, 2009 12:54:04 GMT -5
I am so glad you are feeling better my dear. Bless you.
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Post by Sidney on Oct 20, 2009 14:00:36 GMT -5
Frito, your episode may have been "nothing" or it could have been a warning episode, so please don't just ignore it. So relieved you're feeling much better and do hope you got a good night's sleep.
Working a double shift can't be a good thing under the very best of circumstances, and I know you do listen to your own body, so please keep listening and act accordingly!
Hugs...gentle ones.
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Post by liatris on Oct 20, 2009 15:37:35 GMT -5
Hi Frito,
I know this can be scary. If it helps you feel better, many people (including myself) I know have experienced this and there are some good standby approaches that usually really help.
Magnesium deficiency is very often the cause of arrhythmias and tachycardia. Not only is it well documented in study after study, but I have seen numerous people overcome the problem---with proper dosing. My sister was going to have heart ablation due to arrhythmias. She had actually "whited out" while driving. She was in the hospital for a week and they did not even bother to check her magnesium levels to see if they had gotten low enough to register there (more on that in a bit) until I suggested it.
When whe went on what is considered by many cardiologists (not hers) to be a fairly comprehensive cardiac protocol, she beacame totally fine---that includes a few more essential things other than the magnesium. My father passed out and they found his blood magnesium to be very low. I even saw a medical journal article on the use of magnesium as a sole treatment for arrhythmias.
An important note: your tissue levels, including heart, can be extremely low in magnesium and OK in the blood. The body will try to keep the blood levels up at the expense of the rest of the body---so, you cannot go by blood tests to determine tissue magnesium levels. There are special, not so available tests for that. One sign that you may or may not have when low in magnesium is that you can see involuntary muscular twitching (not cramping).
My brother, otherwise healthy, gets them if he does not take magnesium. I need to do the whole protocol to stay well.
Don't take my word for the following protocol, but do some research on arrhythmias, and heart failure - per day:
- 400 mg elemental magnesium in the morning (magnesium citrate or magnesium glycinate are best absorbed and less likely to cause diarrhea than the hydroxide or oxide --- those last two are awful forms. Do not take calcium at the same time as magnesium or the magnesium will not be absorbed well. Take any calcium at night.
- 1 Tablespoon of fish oil high in DHA ans EPA that is certified to NOT contain toxins including mercury.
- 200 mgs of Co-enzyme Q 10
- 500-1000 mgs of L-carnitine (not carnitine, DL carnitine, D carnitine, not acetyl L carnitine) on an empty stomach
Many people do not metabolize vit B6 well (which is essential for magnesium utilization) so it is a good idea to get P5P (pyridoxyl 5 phosphate) - it is what the body is supposed to turn B6 into. It has to be enteric coated (that helps it resist being destroyed by stomach acid). The brand, "Solgar" is enteric coated and readily available at most health food stores. Take 50 mgs in the morning and 50 mgs in the evening.
This protocol is not an absolute, but works very well in many cases. Regardless, the nutrients involved are very important (and often lacking) for the heart and the rest of the body.
When it is a question of deficiency, you don't have to feel that there is something WRONG with your heart per se --- because every muscle (including the heart) NEEDS certain things just to function right. For example, magnesium is essential for proper muscular contraction --- without it, the heart cannot beat properly.
Oh, and caffiene alone can directly cause the problem and it also depletes mineral and vitamin levels.
Feel better.
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Post by friskers on Oct 20, 2009 22:43:16 GMT -5
Fritto, sorry you were having scary symptoms. It helps to remembe rto breathe when your afraid! Fear itself can really cause even more smptoms. i hope everythings ok but do get checked out. I had heart racing and extreem anxiety once and doc told me to get off caffeine and magically the symptoms dissappeared . I can still have caffeine but have to limit it. good luck
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Post by ctbarb on Oct 20, 2009 23:12:30 GMT -5
Good to know that you're feeling better Frito! But, do get some tests run just in case. You know the routine..... Thanks Sid for the rundown on arrythmia...it just reminded me again that we must listen to our bodies more than ever. You're always taking such good care of us all! Love, ctbarb
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 20, 2009 23:19:11 GMT -5
Sidney,
I think you are right. This is a warning.
Liatris,
I am a big magnesium girl but had run out of my magnesium chloride. I went to whole foods and all they had was oxide. I agree with you, nasty stuff. You mentioned the muscle twitching and yes I am very aware of that. I hadn't had any except for my left eye. I don't usually mess around with potassium. Dangerous stuff when you don't need it. But what is wierd is that thinking back over my day, my eye didn't twitch today. And the only thing different was the postassium I had taken. Again, let me restate, dangerous supplement if you don't need it. I had it only to mix with my sea salt and vitamin c protocol.
Friskers, Nezi, Thank you.
Suebe, I promise you I will. I have some friends, I am going to call in a favor. Hopefully they will be able to look. I will getter done.
Sammy, you have my attention as well. Explain "darts" to me. So others here have progressed similarly?
All,
What is again scary is that I did not experience what I had last night, today, during the day. I did have some light headedness but nothing to bad. no eye twitching.
But the same thing that happened last night, is again starting all over. And just about the same time frame. Is it possible to have "nocturnal" heart palpitations? Anybody else? I have tried correlating it with what I am doing, eating time frame, etc. Nothing fits except the time of the occurences so far.
I am incredibly tired. I need to go to Kammy and Jeany thread. I was so wanting to be helpful there.
I can't thank you all enough for giving your ideas and I just love you all.
Frito
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Post by glennb on Oct 21, 2009 1:27:23 GMT -5
Lyme eats up magnesium like crazy. I also have heart problems. If I stand up too fast and then start walking too quickly I get this breathing attack where I can't get my breath and feel like I'm going to pass out. If I don't lay down on the floor immediatly chances are I will faint and wind up there anyway. After I'm flat on the floor it normalizes after a minute or so. But when it hits, oh brother, I can't do anything but concentrate just on getting that next breath, sometimes can't even hold my urine.
Still not sure what this is.
My doc perscribed Corvalen, L Carnitine & COQ!) for my heart. Plus I'm supposed to be taking alot of magnesium.
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Post by vasue on Oct 21, 2009 1:33:31 GMT -5
Hey, Frito! Your account made me remember a similar episode happened to me twice more than a year ago & not since then. Like you, I've never had heart problems & I was very tired when I went to bed. So tired I laid on my back to help me relax . A few minutes later the heart started to race, then paused a few beats, raced again, missed a beat, did a few normal beats, paused, raced pumping hard. At that point, I could feel the top contracting & the bottom not responding properly & another long pause. It did not hurt & I wasn't frightened by it - just kind of floating above the experience, perhaps half asleep & thinking how odd. My heart resumed a normal resting regular rhythm for a few minutes before going into arrythmia again. My breathing was on automatic & I don't remember coughing. After maybe 10 minutes of normal pattern alternating with abnormal, I decided to roll over on my right side. That fixed it for me. At least I fell asleep after a bit & if it returned in my sleep I was not aware of it.
I was, however, pulled out of a deep sleep a few hours later by the pain of severe toe cramping in my left foot. Could barely get my legs off the side of the bed to put pressure on that foot. When I stood up, the cramp traveled up my calf into an incredibly clenching charleyhorse. The pain noises woke my husband & his deep calf & foot massage relaxed the cramp. Took a couple of aspirin for the ache it left & in case the highly unusual night was due to some obstruction circulating. At least that's what my bleary mind suggested.
Tired but okay the next day, I forgot about it till it happened again in the same way with the same delayed foot & calf cramping. While the heart hit or miss bit was repeating, I tried to figure out what I'd done out of the norm that day. I'd taken a long hot soak in Epsom salts. Couldn't recall if I'd done the same the first time, but decided not to add them to the bath again.
Listening later to a Hulda Clark interview, she mentioned Epsom baths & possible reactions. Something about whether it invigorated or enervated you (in contrast to relaxing) & indications of potassium or magnesium deficiency. Kept notes from that & will clarify in the morning. Shortly after, went looking for a broad based mineral supplement to address imbalances & have taken a liquid one daily since.
At the time, a highly unusual foamy phlegm cough was nearly resolved & my lungs no longer congested. But the lung & heart issues may have been related. A good 2 months later while treating for a flu that settled in my lungs, I coughed up large green spongey pieces from deep down. Interpreting them as fungal, went through herbal treatment for lung fungus lasting 2 months.
Then did my first Black Mold & Fungi homeopathic detox which bumped me up several levels in healing. On a second round a few months later, I awoke from a deep sleep with a severe shin splint such as I've never had - like a charley horse on the front of the same leg that had cramped before with the heart abnormalities. The knee of that leg was the site of a deep & extensive lesion during the heart episodes & that leg carried many lesions.
In my opinion, in my case, I believe a mineral imbalance affected my heart leading to those episodes that sound so similar to yours. I also believe a fungus or mix of fungi played a significant part in those incidents. Indeed, I'm one of those convinced that a fungal ingredient is a key aspect of Morgellons & quite possibly the core issue for me.
Why would laying on my right side stop the heart arrhytmia both times? It was instinctually logical for me but I've no explanation. After the shin splint, I began supplementing with magnesium citrate on hand from a kidney stone attack my husband experienced last year. The urologist suggested that & vitamin B-6 to reduce his stone. So kidney function & toxin clearance seem implicated too. My energy level responded quickly to the extra magnesium in a postive & even manner.
It's way past my bedtime, please excuse my rambling, Frito. Yes, the heart trip happened to me. Let us know what you find as you pursue this.
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 21, 2009 14:00:38 GMT -5
Sue,
I am interested in the rest of the Hulda Clark story about epsom.
It would seem today, I am running a fever.
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Post by 22122agin on Oct 21, 2009 14:52:04 GMT -5
I would ask your doctor about a Haltar Monitor and is you can have one of those for 24 hours on you. Then they read it and determine if the arthymias are non-life threatening. That is what happened to me. I also found that I am very sensitive to potassium and can't take it alone. I can take the cal/mag together and that helps but never the magnesium or potassium alone.
Sidney was very complete with her answer. I hope I have not duplicated anything. It is very frightening but I would definitely see your doctor or call the doctors office immediately. Best, 22122
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Post by violet on Oct 21, 2009 15:01:12 GMT -5
I would ask your doctor about a Haltar Monitor and is you can have one of those for 24 hours on you. Then they read it and determine if the arthymias are non-life threatening. That is what happened to me. I also found that I am very sensitive to potassium and can't take it alone. I can take the cal/mag together and that helps but never the magnesium or potassium alone. Sidney was very complete with her answer. I hope I have not duplicated anything. It is very frightening but I would definitely see your doctor or call the doctors office immediately. Best, 22122 I think the name of that monitor is "Holter." Great information you've given here.
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