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Post by chaosonline on Oct 23, 2009 17:45:14 GMT -5
For those of you that are curious about the H1N1 flu and it's symptoms I can give you a first hand accounting. Mind you I have 3 adults and 5 children living in my home. Last Sunday evening my 10 year old granddaughter began complaining of a sore throat. She had a low-grade temp. By Monday (kept home from school) she had body aches & joint pain, lots of complaints regarding her sore throat, some minor congestion and a headache. All symptoms were much worse by 5PM and I started her on over the counter flu meds, Vitamin C and 100% fruit juices, apple juice and cider. By Tuesday AM she had a rapid decline and I was considering taking her to the ER. Then by 5PM she did a complete turn for the better. Wednesday brought a new symptom, congestion and cough. This cough sounded real bad but has eased up as of this morning. She has carried a fever throughout this entire time but the flu meds alternated with motrin have kept the fever in check. Meanwhile my high school age granddaughter began with a sore throat on Wednesday evening. She mentioned that her school had about one third of the student body absent that day. She is still quite ill, white as a ghost and weak with fever, sore throat, headache and general aches and pains. One adult member of the household began the sore throat saga Thursday afternoon and now has lung congestion and fever. He is responding fairly to the same over the counter meds. After school today my 12 year old grandson complained of a sore throat and has been sleeping ever since. I have kept abreast of the Michigan H1N1 situation and according to news accounts the only form of flu that is in Michigan right now is the H1N1 yet doctors here are not performing tests to differentiate between regular seasonal flu & H1N1. The news stories claim the regular seasonal flu has not hit here yet. So I guess this is a rather light strain of the H1N1, however a highly contagious one. I am watching the lung congestion symptoms like a hawk. There are 194 schools closed in Michigan right now (http://tinyurl.com/yj93hta). When this all started I called the elementary school and was told they could not confirm or deny the H1N1 was in our schools but the very next day they posted a news letter stating they did in fact have confirmed cases of the H1N1. I am actually relieved because I have been very conflicted about the inoculations. One of the kids has a heart anomaly that has caused her problems in the past and I was afraid for her get the vaccine and afraid not to get it for her. That dilemma has resolved itself. I am a tired caregiver full of aches and pains but - fingers crossed - no sore throat or fever. I wonder if my Morgellons & Lyme critters will be so territorial as to destroy this pathogen as they do so many others. We shall see. One more thing my husband who suffers form Alzheimer's has also remained free of the bug! His lungs are terribly compromised from COPD so he would be very vulnerable should he come down with this. Sorry for the long report but I thought some of you might be wondering about this bug's effects. Oh Yeah - I forgot to mention that in the midst of all this my old lunch partner died. Bye Bye Soupy!! Karen
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Post by Sidney on Oct 23, 2009 22:22:06 GMT -5
Karen, I hope you're able to find the time to take care of yourself. Taking care of several sick people at the same time must wear you down terribly.
Stay healthy!
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Post by 22122agin on Oct 23, 2009 22:23:28 GMT -5
Karen, Thank you for the nice post. It was very informative for me. I am sorry to hear of your friend, Soupy that has passed on. In your position, it is good to have a friend to talk to. Taking care of an Alzhiemer's patient can really tax you. I took care of a friend a few years ago and it almost too me out.
Wanted to ask for something you said. Are you saying that there might be something protective about Morgellons and Lyme so we won't get this virus and maybe other things? Maybe I just read it wrong.LOL 22122
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Post by lilsissy on Oct 23, 2009 23:14:51 GMT -5
This part cabn be deadly in a matter of hours,
One adult member of the household began the sore throat saga Thursday afternoon and now has lung congestion and fever. He is responding fairly to the same over the counter meds.
Praying for you sis and guess maybe thats what we have here too, fever yes, sore throat yes, some congestion , brain fog big time. Chills and body aches.
I thought maybe it was the reular flu but now after reading your post, I see.
Thank you,
Jen Mom seems to have been exempt.
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Post by chaosonline on Oct 23, 2009 23:22:08 GMT -5
Thanks Sidney, I'm sure trying to take care of myself. I'm already on Doxy & Vit C & Cats Claw & oh well a few other things.
By the way I remember when the Hong Kong flu hit and it was, at least in my view, much much worse than what I'm seeing here, at least for now, with the H1N1.
22122, Sorry for the Soupy misunderstanding. I thought everyone knew Soupy Sales. That remark was meant to be lighthearted. He did a kids lunch time show when I was young and the news yesterday said he had died. But to answer your question about Lyme & Morgs offering us some type of immunity...yes that is true. Lyme is well documented to be territorial and eradicate new invasions of bacteria and viruses. Morgellons seems to operate along the same lines. Many here could testify to the fact that it is very rare for Morgellons lesions to get infected. Colds and things like laryngitis (which I had annually prior to Lyme & Morgs) seem to be somehow held at bay.
Now I realize that Lyme lowers the immune system insofar as the ability to filter metals and it almost completely subdues our bodies natural ability to purge parasites but still there is something to be said for the territorial aspects of both Lyme & Morgellons.
NOTE - This phenomenon doesn't offer a twit of help with Lyme and it's co-infections or Morgellons related symptoms such as: Bells Palsy, brain fog, fibers & mutated insects & unusual objects emerging from the skin, word retrieval, lesions, joint pain, knee pain, eye problems, incontinence, bone pain, neuropathies, vertigo, Parkinson-like symptoms, MS symptoms, Dementia, muscle cramps, insomnia, thyroid problems and on & on. So it's not doing us any real favors just protecting it's home base from outside invaders.
Karen
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Post by chaosonline on Oct 24, 2009 0:09:22 GMT -5
Yeah Jen I am watching him real close because he is at a pivotal point right now from what I have read.
Kmarie,
That's exactly right they will not test to determine the strain. Why not...well I would bet it's because they don't want to be in possession of the statistics; if they have them they would have to share them with the public.
The testing as to strain is limited to severely ill & hospitalized patients! I really don't know if this is based on not wanting to scare the public with the huge numbers or not wanting to admit to small numbers or what ever! But you are right on.. it is just plain idiocy not to keep track of the statistics regarding a flu that has been coined a "Pandemic". These numbers could be invaluable to future generations of researchers...what in the world is going on here?
I often feel like up is down and vice versa. Lately what I think is just plain common sense turns out to be the nonsensical way to the powers that be. It's as if the planet I thought I was getting to know (after 60+ years) has shifted and I'm in some kind of an alternate universe.
Karen
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Post by browncircles on Oct 24, 2009 0:36:22 GMT -5
I just had my mom in the hospital again for a few days. They are giving everyone a flu test and she was negative.
One of the nurses has a high school daughter with the flu. The nurse said they are testing for Type A (I think) and if it is positive they figure it is really H1N1 because it is too early for Type A to be here. Her daughter was positive and being treated for H1N1.
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Post by glennb on Oct 24, 2009 2:26:44 GMT -5
I made a trip to the emergency room at a local hospital about 6 weeks ago. While I was there I asked one of the residents if they had had any cases of Swine Flu coming in.
He told me that so many people were coming in with Swine Flu that they were no longer testing for it. They were just assuming that anyone showing up with flu symptoms probably had Swine Flu.
The resident seemed completely unconcerned about this and mentioned nothing about people dying from this flu or that it was an especially bad flu.
After all the exposure in the media about how serious/deadly Swine Flu is I think it is interesting that so many have it without serious consequence. As far as flues go it seems to be a lot less serious than what has happened in former years.
Makes me suspect that all the press designed to whip the public up into a frenzy of Swine Flu Fear and send them stampeding to medical professionals for a vaccine was geared towards selling more vaccines and increasing profitability for the Pharmaceutical companies. Or maybe there is an evil ulterior motive behind mass swine flu vaccinations.
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Post by nieuwlyme on Oct 24, 2009 22:42:14 GMT -5
It's so true. Many of the people kicking and screaming on the media don't have the slightest known risk of complication; yet I can't blame them b/c like us who knows what health risks underly they undiagnosed genes. However I read some of us come have a some substantial margin of risk: I had confirmed asthma since my late teens, those ugly eosophonilic skin sores of unknown etiology, and God knows what systemic disorder is underlying. OK...My rambling point is out of desperation, I had the flu vaccine and pneumonia vaccine a week ago. Got a cold sore Wednesday night and boom, fever like I've never seen it 102.5. I'm doin OK right now and hopefully at tail end of this thing. But it's no joke. I would suggest, even risk of Guillian-Barre, if health authorities do get their stuff together, I would most definitely get the Swine Vaccine. In the interim, if your work with public as I still frailly do, politely refuse to shake hands, even get a sign in your office about preventing health risks., request your workstation is a distance from clients, etc. I would have been the last to jump out of the shell on this but the more I know, the more I think we have to err on the side of conspicuous caution, for our own good.
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Post by camv35s on Oct 24, 2009 23:11:55 GMT -5
hi nieuwlyme, hope your feeling better please keep us posted to your prognosis since you went and got the vac, the cold sore that emerged from you probably is the herpes virus or epstein -bar since 95% of adults test positive for it. best regards camv35s
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Post by zabrubon on Oct 25, 2009 0:49:29 GMT -5
Karen, I hope your family better today and your are not sick. I too have struggled with what to do about the shot. Also, worried about my grandkids. My little Jada is so easy to get sick and worried she might get gravely ill with the shot and without the shot. I love those kids so much, i would take the flu and die for them. Speaking of deathly, my friend got the shot on Monday three weeks ago and the next day, he was so deathly ill, he could not walk. His parents had to come and get him. He is in his 50's and his parents had to take care of him. He said he could not walk and had never been that ill before. Thought he was going to die. His doctor told him it was not the shot. OH YEAH RIGHT. Are there any nurses here that can verify that the shot doesn't make one ill. I just don't believe it. My grandmother had the flu shot and it made her deathly ill. Again, Karen, thanks for the good post and bringing up how most likely how most of us feel about the shot. Take Care, Chicagobonnie
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Post by camv35s on Nov 12, 2009 22:03:58 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/qa.htm Hi karen ,well i just went through all the symtoms had the fever threw up 5 times hit the toilet 5 times there wasn't anything left in me ,maybe I got rid of the morgs LOL it lasted 24 hours wasnt pretty now all I experiance is painful lungs , only thing I took was my usual protocol plus liquid olive leaf and D-3 sad thing is I dont know what I had ,was it the flu if so what kind and did my meds help ? best regards Camv35s
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Post by jj on Nov 13, 2009 11:54:55 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread Karen and everyone that contributed. It was helpful for me. Here's some more info that might answer some more questions. However, I must admit I am still a little confused about some things Kmarie, It does appear as if some are not testing based on several things mostly lack of clarity. If I understand this correctly there are three strains of known flu going on. H1N1 Novel (H1N1 2009 Pandemic) H1N1 Seasonal H3N2 Seasonal www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance/rapid_testing.htmImproving DiagnosisImproving the diagnostic efficiency of H1N1 2009 pandemic flu: analysis of predictive clinical signs through a prospective cohort.knol.google.com/k/improving-the-diagnostic-efficiency-of-h1n1-2009-pandemic-flu-analysis-of?collectionId=28qm4w0q65e4w.1&position=9#Sooooo, according to info garnered in these links I had two different bouts of flu the second bout more indicative of Novel H1N1 because of this statement "...... cough, diarrhoea and absence of myalgia were significantly associated with H1N1 positive group of patient ". I had all symptoms listed with the first bout pretty much in the order given (except for Runny nose). Second bout brought bacterial complications (and fewer symptoms) which we didn't hesitate to get medical help for. We watched for these two so closely because it was what many mentioned in the media that tended to preclude hospitalization or death. I opted not to have the RIDT done because of the cost and the fact that treatment in my case would of been the same. After the fact I wish I would have done it for several reasons. Bacterial ComplicationsBacterial coinfections in lung tissue specimens from fatal cases of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) - United States, May-August 2009.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/197980212009 H1N1 Influenza -- Just the Facts: Clinical Features and Epidemiology: Complications of H1N1 Influenzawww.medscape.com/viewarticle/709540_4Immune compromised are very vulnerable. Hope this helps and none of us become statistics. JJ
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