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Post by beckybailey on Nov 16, 2009 20:19:23 GMT -5
Vinegar and bleach together are 80 to 200 times more effective than chlorine alone! Read directions carefully and use caution: "However use caution when preparing any sterilizing solution, as Dr. Miner explains: "I would remind everyone that antimicrobials of any type are toxic biocides and should be used with many safety precautions such as rinses, ventilation, protective clothing, etc." www.apple-cider-vinegar-benefits.com/vinegar-as-a-disinfectant.html
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Post by ctbarb on Nov 17, 2009 22:18:23 GMT -5
Dear BB,
Just finished reading the aforementioned articles...EXCELLENT! Thanks for the tips...I will begin using many of them - some of them I have been using, but wasn't aware of some of the great combinations!
ctbarb
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Post by beckybailey on Nov 17, 2009 22:38:28 GMT -5
Thanks, ctbarb. Check this out, sounds like MMS2 may be hypochlorite? jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro.htmI wrote them and asked if the mixture of water, bleach and vinegar is the same as MMS2 but they would not comment. They said the folks at nanotransformation.com/ have had some success with the MMS (now being called MMS1). I am wondering if I have been making hypochlorite accidently by using the Sulfur8 shampoo and vinegar in my bath. The Sulfur8 has sodium chlorite in it (as does the MMS). Maybe we don't have to injest this chlorine tasting stuff but can bathe in it instead. It really seems to be helping me. Read this from the site below about MMS which also contains sodium chloride: "Humble ended up using a nominally 28% solution which, because of a nearly 20% sodium chloride content, actually contains only 22.4% sodium chlorite." www.rexresearch.com/humble/humble.htmALSO, Dr. Martin's recipe for the red dye with light therapy contains MMS activated with vinegar. so darn confusing... My sister said I could become a chemist.... Oh, if I only had a brain!
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Post by bannanny on Nov 18, 2009 18:34:10 GMT -5
Don't worry ((BB))... you're not near as brainless as I am! Great articles tho... thanks for the tipsters!
love ya ~~ bannanny
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Post by toni on Nov 19, 2009 13:31:49 GMT -5
FYI is all.... Mixing bleach and vinegar causes a deadly gas. What happens when bleach and vinegar are mixed together: Chlorine bleach contains sodium hypochlorite or NaOCl. Because bleach is sodium hypochlorite in water, the sodium hypochlorite in bleach actually exists as hypochlorous acid: Hypochlorous acid is a strong oxidizer. This is what makes it so good at bleaching and disinfection. If you mix bleach with an acid, chlorine gas will be produced. For example, if you mix bleach with toilet bowl cleaner, which contains hydrochloric acid: Chlorine gas attacks mucous membranes, such as your eyes, throat, and lungs and can kill you, so causing that reaction isn't in your best interest. If you mix bleach with another acid, such as the acetic acid found in vinegar, you get essentially the same result: chemistry.about.com/b/2009/02/02/why-people-mix-bleach-and-vinegar.htmJust wanted to post this because my dad had a degree in chemical engineering, and he'd told me many "oopsies" when he mixed different things together. One was messing with bleach. He lost his eye sight for a year. Just be careful with "anything with bleach" because it can also become explosive, (not from vinegar) but the fumes (gasses) that vinegar and bleach cause are deadly that will be produced. health.utah.gov/epi/enviroepi/activities/hsees/Posterblch.pdfchemistry.about.com/od/healthsafety/a/dangeousmix.htmBB, I'm sure not saying not to do this...but, just so we don't have any accidents....just helping everyone see there are dangers.
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Post by camv35s on Nov 19, 2009 13:46:31 GMT -5
Hi ,Toni when i read that other post i said oops, myself, glad you ponted that out,there are other ways to kill ourselves and we all try from time to time. The surest way to get rid of morgs is to kill the host,not reccomended best regards Cam, and have a sunny day
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Post by toni on Nov 19, 2009 14:49:33 GMT -5
Hi ,Toni when i read that other post i said oops, myself, glad you ponted that out,there are other ways to kill ourselves and we all try from time to time. The surest way to get rid of morgs is to kill the host,not reccomended best regards Cam, and have a sunny day I can't help but laugh outloud to what you said, cause we all sure can relate! ;D
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Post by beckybailey on Nov 20, 2009 11:07:47 GMT -5
Vinegar and bleach together are 80 to 200 times more effective than chlorine alone! Read directions carefully and use caution:" However use caution when preparing any sterilizing solution, as Dr. Miner explains: "I would remind everyone that antimicrobials of any type are toxic biocides and should be used with many safety precautions such as rinses, ventilation, protective clothing, etc." www.apple-cider-vinegar-benefits.com/vinegar-as-a-disinfectant.html...dat's what I said... look, it is even used for chemical warfare and germ warfare decontamination (used with caution, of course). www.msc.navy.mil/n7/dc_info/DCIN021.htm
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Post by toni on Nov 20, 2009 13:38:34 GMT -5
You sure did BB. I was just making more of a "caution" out of it. Cause it's very dangerous.
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Post by beckybailey on Nov 20, 2009 15:08:26 GMT -5
It just keeps getting better, check this out. USE WITH CAUTION, of course. They even mention the use of flour as a decontaminate..... So this is why your flour and water paste works so well! www.chefnoah.com/chemical2.htm
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Post by toni on Nov 20, 2009 15:42:11 GMT -5
That's really something about the flour, it makes sense for sure.
You know..."food grade diatomaceous earth too" for the "absorbents" would be great too.
Drying as heck, but absorbing. I know it sucks the mold out of a molded area, as I've tried it on (a spot where we had a leak) and it totally cured the spot in the wall.
Becky, I think too...the milk is helping topically because it's a neutralizer. Like when someone or IF someone were to ever ingest some kind of poison, sometimes the poison control center will recommend drinking milk (because it neutralizes), well..often I wonder how it's (absorbing) all these black specks out of my scalp that I didn't even know were in there.
But we sure can't spray that all around the house, hehehe
It's just awful how we're so left to fend for ourselves for this long.
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Post by beckybailey on Nov 20, 2009 19:49:50 GMT -5
Well, it could be used outdoors anyway... vegetablegardens.suite101.com/article.cfm/organic_pest_control_and_pesticideAnd Cleopatra bathed in milk. I tried it a couple of times without much success. I was using our hot tub at the beginning of this hell. Thinking back, I am convinced to try the calcium hydrochlorite (powdered chlorine for hot tubs and swimming pools) in my bath. I will pre-mix a tiny amount in the bath tub with the bathroom vent running and let it set for a couple of hours before filling the tub and getting in. This is what happened: We thought soaking in our hot tub with plenty of the powdered chlorine in it would help me. Well, it did, but you talk about spooky. I could feel them swimming at my toes trying to get back on me! Each time, it seemed there were more of them in the water. Then we bought a ozonater for the hot tub to avoid the chemicals, but still I could feel them swimming around my toes. We drained the water out, and right where I always sat there were tiny things on the tub wall, no where else. I got samples of them on shipping tape, I still have them. I looked at them under the microscope but I have no idea if it is the culprit I am trying to find, they are kind of brown flattened worms. We filled the hot tub back up with fresh water to begin again. When I pulled back the cover of the hot tub, I noticed that inside of the cover there were tiny “things” all over it. As I began getting into the water I realized the water was very cloudy and was going to get back out because it was gross. (The ozonator was causing hard water deposits on the walls of the tub to disintegrate.) Just then I saw tiny black things on top of the water frantically swimming toward me. I guess the cloudy water made them come to the water surface. In a split second, I began to feel them crawling up my legs. I splashed water to push the others away from me, jumped out, and closed the cover. I will never get in another hot tub! It was terrifying. I did get samples of the “things” on the inside of the cover, they looked the same as the ones inside the tub where I had sat.
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Post by sammy on Nov 20, 2009 22:50:05 GMT -5
Here's what I've done lately for this stuff, you want to be on only THE Perfect C , for vitamin C. I got C-tablets for the bath, I put a filter on my shower head. I got an air cleaner with UV & ionizer & three filters. I got the Ozone light bulbs. May at least keep the flu bugs away at least. Am getting better with each day that passes. Am finally ahead of these things. They have lost the power to multiply anymore. It was a long fight but I did it. All my body parts are all working well. Now if Mr sammy gets all his test done. I hope it all goes well.
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