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Post by bannanny on Dec 15, 2009 15:51:19 GMT -5
I haven't heard from Dr. Abbott yet, someone else from his office sent the results...
Alternaria alternata CPU/plate=2 % of mold=50%
Aspegillus niger CPU/plate=1 % of mold=25%
Chaetomium elatum CPU/plate=1 %of mold=25%
I know your results also show Alternaria ruth. I've also said from the very beginning of this nightmare that I felt Chaetomium was involved... at least in my case. Maybe it's what's making things so bad here. Reason I say that, is in my first or 2nd year of this we had the house tested for mold. It was one of the ways I was looking for answers to what I was experiencing. Both Aspergillus and Chaetomium were found, along with others that aren't showing in my results.
I wish I could find that first article I came across about Chaetomium, but I haven't been able to find it again since then. It said more or less, that once Chaetomium takes over, you might as well burn your house to the ground and then bury the ashes... but that more than likely wouldn't even rid it. I'm gonna keep trying to find that article tho, cuz it makes 100% sense to me as to what's happening here and to me as well.
I'm also starting to think that whatever the morg pathogen itself is, it could be possible that it's replicating the molds found in our homes, which would also explain the subtle differences we show... different molds in different environments. Yet, we all share common molds as well. It could also be replicating insects, etc. which would explain the different symptoms we show pertaining to insects, parasites, etc.
It's just a thought, but one that makes sense.
hugs ~~ bannanny
P.S. I'll copy and paste this post onto the mold threads as well just to keep the results in one specific place.
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Dec 15, 2009 18:12:16 GMT -5
bannanny, where was the sample that was cultured taken from ? testing yoru home for mold or your body, if your body, where on your body?
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Post by bannanny on Dec 15, 2009 21:52:29 GMT -5
The sample I used was the gel that oozes out of my hands AC... others have put several different samples in their dishes, but I only put the one in.
love you ~~ bannanny
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Dec 15, 2009 22:40:50 GMT -5
k bananny thnx also...have you ever had tests showing a high content of uric acid in your blood / urine and have you had tests showing a very high T-cell level?
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Post by fritolay66 on Dec 16, 2009 1:40:53 GMT -5
Bananny,
Did Dr. Abbott happen to have any direction for you to take, now that you have results? I spoke to Geoff today and made arrangements for my specimens. But I was thinking of what direction to go when I got my results back.
Chaetomium eh? I sure would like to see some microscopic pictures of your sample. I am afraid I will also test positive for chaetomium.
Frito
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Post by Sidney on Dec 16, 2009 18:05:07 GMT -5
preview.tinyurl.com/ybjwjckGoogle images. Frito, look in Ruth's pinned thread. I think she has posted images of her (suspect) Chaetomium.
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Post by fritolay66 on Dec 17, 2009 10:32:57 GMT -5
Sid,
I have, thousands of them on many search engines. Thank you. I will go back over Ruth's thread again.
Frito
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Post by ruth on Dec 17, 2009 11:17:38 GMT -5
mine was cladosporium (prolab) , is it related to chaetomium?
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Post by Sidney on Dec 17, 2009 12:32:25 GMT -5
Ruth and Frito, I think that was my mistake. Maybe it was Bannanny, not Ruth. Sorry about that. Too much spinning in my head to keep track of who's on first!
Surely by next week we'll have more identifications. The suspense is nerve-wracking, but I am SO thankful for the Natural Link Mold Lab Microbiologists. Awesome group.
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Post by justhanginin on Dec 17, 2009 13:47:20 GMT -5
Glad you have an answer as to what you are dealing with Nanners. Does this give you a direction to go with for treatment? Maybe this is the time to see the homeopath that you have near you.
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Post by bessie on Dec 17, 2009 14:06:37 GMT -5
Bannanny -
You said you had your environment tested that: " Both Aspergillus and Chaetomium were found, along with others that aren't showing in my results." These are 2 of the three that showed up in your cultures.
Do you know if others have had their envirnonments checked as well? I would think that's pretty important to know. If it's in the house, then spores are inhaled and land on your body.
I use an ozonator, ionizer, and UVC light air purifier with a hepa filter. All four methods reduce mold spores. Dehumidiers are important in humid environments. Chlorine dioxide is supposed to be very effective in killing mold (the stuff in MMS), but you should not be in the house when the stuff is being applied. I can't remember how long you have to wait; I researched it some time ago when I was considering treating the house just in case there was mold. Living in humid FL, I am sure there is mold here, though I can't smell it and don't see it growing anywhere.
Bessie
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Post by bannanny on Dec 17, 2009 20:42:49 GMT -5
I believe in all of Dr. Hildy's blood and urine tests she does on patients Acacian (which are very specific tests, and also including mine) high contents of uric acid show up in all of them... I'm 99% positive if I'm remembering right. I can't say about the T-cell level... I should get more tests done but I just haven't felt good enough to even go to the doc lately.
I haven't heard back from Dr. Abbott himself Frito... not since I got the results anyway. It was Geoff or someone else from his office who emailed them to me. If I'd had my scope set up and wasn't so afraid, I would've taken scope pics of my sample, but I didn't... sorry. This Chaetomium thing isn't sitting well with me at all tho. I'm gonna go try and find that article again in a bit (unless I can't take being on the puter long enough to do it... it's gettin close already.)
I relate to every one of those images tho Sid... the Chaetomium ones.
The only thing I know to do so far jh is take my culture results to my doc here and see if he'll put me on anti-fungals or whatever. I still can't afford the homeopath.
Hey Bess... how are you girl? Doing better I hope... I think about you alot. I don't know if everyone else has had their homes tested for mold or not. Mine was done about 4 years ago, but I really think that somehow the morg pathogen itself is feeding off and replicating the molds and everything else in our environments. It makes more sense to me than anything, being there are so many different aspects to this mess.
I use to have my ozone machine running alot and would put it in specific rooms each day too, then turn it up to the high setting where you had to keep the door closed to the room it was in when you did. I even put it in my car overnight... but didn't see any results from it there either. I still have it tho, so maybe I'll try it again. I'll look into the UVC light air purifier and ionizer... altho that ionizer I bought and wore around my neck never helped either. It just seems too far gone here for anything to work.
love ya's ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Dec 17, 2009 21:52:41 GMT -5
Well I'll be damned... I'm copying and pasting this into both stickied mold threads as well. I didn't find the same article I've been looking for, but I found a pdf file with tons of info on alot of what we're showing in our cultures, including Alternaria and Chaetomium. But it also says the same thing about Chaetomium in that very first article I came across about it 4 years ago... that the building can't even be remediated from it by burning it down. The heat wouldn't even be hot enough to kill it. So how do I get rid of it in me? God help us all. I put the link to the article at the end of this post... it includes pics and has tons of info. It's a very informative article tho... and scary too. It talks about Chaetomium, Cladosporium, Aspergillus, Alternata alternaria (which ruth and I both show) and Penicillum, Fusarium, and Stachybotrys. When you go to the link, scroll down towards the bottom where it starts to talk about each of the molds. Here's a few excerpts I had to type out, cuz I don't know how to copy and paste anything when it's in a pdf format... It talks about how Aspergillus can cause fatal lung infections... which we've seen happen here to our friends. Fusarium causes cutaneous lesions. Cladosporium even grows better in refrigerators (I know something's growing in mine) and window frames (remember my window frame story on the back door?) and causes skin lesions, Edema, etc. too ruth. Aspergillus produces the aflotoxins B1, B2, G1, and G2, which are carcinogenic, mutagenic, and tetragenic... causes liver and kidney damage and infect and colonize in the respiratory system... Alternaria appears as a velvety turf with long soft hairs, color ranges from dark olive green to brown. Commonly found in soil, seeds and plants... it produces a unique group of mycotoxins, lethally toxic to young birds and associated with hypersensitivity and pneumonitis. Acute symptoms include Edema, Bronchiospasms and pulmonary Emphysema. Alternaria is also tetragenic (capable of altering DNA) and capable of damaging the human immune system. It also causes granulomatous lesions.Here's what it said about Chaetomium, which is the same thing it said in that very first article I read about it 4 years ago when it was identified in my home by mold inspectors. Wonder why they didn't know about this back then? BTW, my ex-boyfriend who spent alot of time here has Primary Progressive MS... Chaetomium species are notorious for their ability to digest the cellulose fibers in cotton and paper, thereby destroying these materials. In buildings which have recently experienced water damage, Chaetomium is frequently found on drywall, and paper products. It produces the mycotoxin Chaetoglobosin which is known to block cytoplasmic cell division. There has also been a noticeably high incidence of autoimmune diseases, including MS and Lupus, linked with exposure to this mycotoxin. Chaetoglobosin is also known to be tetragenic and causes permanent damage to DNA. There have been cases involving serious infestations of Chaetomium in which the only way to solve the problem was to bury the infected building. This was done because the infestations were not remediatable, and burning the buildings would not have been hot enough to kill the mycotoxin. In it's toxicity, Chaetomium is second only to Stachybotrys on potency, and is much more common.www.inspect.net/Documents/MOLDINFOPACKETPROOFD.pdflove you guys ~~ bannanny
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Post by Sidney on Dec 18, 2009 0:12:38 GMT -5
Sorry, Bannanny, that link didn't work for me. This is some really scary schtuff.
Thanks.
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Post by tom on Dec 18, 2009 18:37:02 GMT -5
Hope you don't mind me looking in here, If heat don't kill it does freezing it work, an arm or leg in a tub of ice for as long as you can stand and repeated xx amount of times, Sue couldn't try it cause her nerve damage just couldn't handle the cold. and what about salt, salt kills a lot of fungus and mold, bury an arm or something in a five pound bag of salt and see if that area gets better. tom
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Post by bannanny on Dec 18, 2009 21:18:20 GMT -5
Shoot, it won't work for me either Sid. Just google (via internet explorer) "chaetomium burn the building down" and you should be able to find it.
Of course we don't mind you looking in here Tom, you're very very welcome to be a part of this board , especially since you're a part of our family! You have some good ideas there too... I just might give them both a shot! I wanted to tell you anyway that I bought some J&J baby powder with lavender and chamomile... and it really helped alot, so thank you for reminding me about it. I looked up to the Heavens and thanked our Sue too.
love you ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Dec 18, 2009 21:24:30 GMT -5
Hey Sid or anyone, do you know how to copy and paste a pdf file? The only other thing I know to google Sid would be what it says at the beginning of the file itself, which is "The truth about mold" presented by IN-SPECT at 1-866-371-MOLD. The link I posted above wouldn't even copy and paste so I just typed it out myself... maybe that's why it won't work?
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Post by Sidney on Dec 18, 2009 22:34:58 GMT -5
Thank you, Bannanny, but I think it's impossible to copy or cut anything from a PDF file.
If this is not the case, please I hope someone will correct me.
Thanks.
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Dec 18, 2009 23:08:26 GMT -5
just find it on google like this.... www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22The+truth+about+mold%22+%22IN-SPECT%22then right click and select "copy link location" then paste it like this www.in-spect.net/Documents/MOLDINFOPACKETPROOFD.pdfpeople can then clik that to go to it or right click it and select "save as" to save the pdf. then you can highlight the text within the PDF if it's not locked (rarely is) and then right click it and do copy then paste... ....but that PDF about mold is done in a JPG compression and doesn't save the text as text just as raster bitmap so you can't select the text because it's really just a picture. what's going on at its base isn't mold IMO, but there you are bananny. that's how you do that. i know what you mean about having to re-write what you read because i have to do this for a book that i'm using some information about in posting info also just like you had to do.. because the only onlinf version is on google books.. and they make alot of their commercially available books be in JPG compression so you can't select the text to copy.
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Post by Sidney on Dec 19, 2009 0:28:36 GMT -5
Thank you, A.I. Very helpful and appreciated.
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