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Post by sammy on Mar 12, 2010 18:19:11 GMT -5
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Post by bannanny on Mar 12, 2010 19:26:57 GMT -5
Eweeeeee! I can actually see this kind of thing happening inside of us. Not that I think it's this worm causing morgs, but the way it anchors itself into the bone sounds like it could be what morgs do... Osedax worms form a frilly red carpet on this fragment of bone from a dead gray whale in Monterey Canyon.Excerpts... To learn more about the red worms, Vrijenhoek consulted a worm expert, Dr. Greg Rouse, a researcher at the South Australia Museum in Adelaide, Australia. who was already collaborating with MBARI's midwater biologists on the discovery of another unusual worm that lives in the midwater environment. Vrijenhoek sent Dr. Rouse some of these worms, and a few days later he received an email that said ”Bob, I’ve got good news and bad news. The bad news is I don’t think they are annelids at all. They’re not like any worms I’ve ever seen before, anywhere in the world. The good news is that we’ve really got something new and exciting!" Shana Goffredi, then a research associate with Vrijenhoek’s team, conducted DNA analysis on these unusual animals. She confirmed they were indeed annelid worms, and showed that they were related to the tubeworms that live around deep-sea hydrothermal vents. Like the vent worms, the whale worms had bright red plumes that acted as gills, collecting oxygen from seawater. But what was really strange and unusual was that the whale-fall worms had green, root-like structures that were penetrated the whale bones and branched out in the marrow cavity.
These roots turned out to be "the business end of these worms," as Vrijenhoek put it. The worms have no mouths or stomachs, but they used these roots to digest fats and proteins from the whalebones. Microscopic analysis along with DNA studies revealed that the roots contained specialized bacteria that can break down the oils and proteins in the whalebone. But, according to Vrijenhoek, "That was not the end of the weirdness. In looking at the worms under a microscope, we discovered that every one of them was a female. We didn’t find any males until I got another call from Greg Rouse. He said, 'Bob, it’s worse than you think.' I said, 'What now, Greg?' He said 'There really are males, but they are microscopic. They are dwarfs!'"
Sure enough, living within the tube that enclosed each female were 30 to 100 microscopic male worms, each only about a millimeter long. Not only that, but the male worms were still in a larval stage of development. They were making sperm in one part of their bodies, while other parts of the bodies still contained the yolk droplets. As Vrijenhoek put it, "These males don’t feed. A male lives its entire life off the yolk that was provisioned by the egg from which it hatched. This is one of the few cases in the animal world where sexually reproducing individuals are barely more developed than eggs. It’s weird." This laboratory photo shows a whale-fall worm that was carefully dissected from a whale bone. Normally only the red and white plumes and the pinkish trunk would be visible. The greenish roots and whitish ovary would be buried inside the bone.
Asked why these worms might have evolved such an unusual method of reproduction, Vrijenhoek suggests, "These worms appear to be the ecological equivalent of dandelions—a weedy species that grows rapidly, makes lots of eggs, and disperses far and wide." This strategy makes sense when you consider that after a whale skeleton has been consumed, all the worms at that site will die off. Before this happens, they must release enough eggs or larvae so that some tiny proportion will be transported by the ocean currents until they can find and colonize another whale carcass. Good Lord... makes you wonder what we're picking up just swimming in the ocean. Thanks sammy... very interesting stuff. hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by sammy on Mar 13, 2010 1:24:49 GMT -5
bannanny Thanks for putting this on the post for me. Your so sweet. I ran across this while looking at rock eating bacteria. It seems NASA has been drilling everywhere across the world doing core samples from deep down , looking for something am sure......they have done Hawaii, Spain , the poles , Yellowstone....they say looking for stuff like that is on Mars.... Anyway, I've made it through 5 deadly awful waves or layers of the darts. All over the body. I do not feel you guys know what is really coming with this illness at the end. I've made it through. So they won't be telling me it's some sort of cancer...Let's say it is one hundred times worse than the start of this. That is what took down Sue & the others. I don't care what they it is, I went through it...you take care. love to our Higher creator & those protecting us...
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Post by bannanny on Mar 13, 2010 18:04:16 GMT -5
You're welcome sammy... I wish they'd stop looking for things and just look at what's already happening for pete's sake. It's all so very backwards isn't it?
What exactly are you calling darts sammy? I know for one that I definitely know what comes with this illness, but I don't believe there's an end to it. Maybe we're able to control the symptoms, but I don't believe it's curable in the sense that our bodies will ever be able to rid it. We're continuously being contaminated by it now... it's in our food, it's in the water, the soil, and the air we breathe. I'm just glad the entire population isn't actually able to feel the symptoms or we'd have a worldwide panic goin on. Guess it comes down to that gene 30-40% of the population lack to be able to fight off environmantal toxins. Makes sense to me that us morgies are that 30-40%.
I don't understand what you're saying about that's what happened to Sue and the others tho. Can you explain it to me? Sorry, my brain's been stuck on pause for a long time now. It takes me reading a sentence over and over again to even try to understand it anymore!
love you ~~ bannanny
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Post by toni on Mar 14, 2010 9:22:39 GMT -5
Sammy,
Was there any specific place that the darts were more "congregated"?
I think as we'd talked about them before that we're talking about the same things. The "elongated shaped triangles". And they stick themselves into the skin, and they have to be plucked out with tweezers. They're white as paper, and hard as bone.
The ones I've seen, and had, and still do, (not as much topically) as I was having, they stick right out of the skin and start out very tiny. Almost as small as the period at the end of a sentence. Then they turn into tiny white straight sticks, then they begin to flare out on one end, becoming a triangular shape.
If they're not plucked out, they'll grow into the skin...and become sharp and they seem to cause "more morgs stuff" in the area in which they're in. Once they're plucked out the area heals.
If they're not plucked out (and they're very difficult to pluck out as they have a hold into the skin like anchors) but if they're not removed, they grow and more morgs havoc happens in that area too. One lesion can have many. Mine have always grown to about 1/4" long. And they are just like sharp bones in a triangle shape. They seem to be a big part of Morgs imho, of what's causing alot of "growth" inside the body too.
They are sinister/evil little sharp things....that imho are like a "seeding" that creates more havoc of Morgs.
I've searched and searched for a few years reading what they could be. Looking at fungus and parasites etc, to see what possibly has such an anchor type growth or what might produce such a thing, but I've not run across anything that remotely seems familiar to these.
They (in my experience with the darts) layer themselves in the skin like shingles on roof, one overlapping the other, that makes a row out of them. Inside a lesion, they can be on all the insides of the lesion, overlapping each other to form the sides.
Sometimes there might only be one (in a lesion) sometimes many. But the lesion and "infected area" doesn't seem to heal up till these are removed. Some of the lesions have them inside and survive, then that lesion will keep being "productive" with all kinds of things that will come out of it. Some of the "darts" that don't survive in a lesion (for whatever reason), that lesion will then heal up.
I know if anyone hasn't had or seen them too, it's very hard to explain these "darts".
Something else too, when you do see them sticking out of the skin or inside a lesion, you can take your finger and wiggle them back and forth, sort of like a loose tooth would be anchored in, yet, you can wiggle it back and forth still.
That's how these "dart" things are. You can touch them with your finger too, and wiggle them back and forth, and they'll move every which way, but only to "pluck them firmly with tweezers" will remove them out.
I found putting different "topicals" on them "helps in plucking" them out. Sort of like it helps release their hold in the skin/tissue.
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Post by bannanny on Mar 15, 2010 18:30:03 GMT -5
Do you only find those in lesions toni? Or are they everywhere in your skin? I feel things that are real sharp but so very hard to see... sometimes it feels like when I rub an area where I feel them, they just go back down under the skin real quick. Is that what you're talking about?
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