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Post by toni on Jul 31, 2010 12:31:42 GMT -5
Okay Kmarie, lets us dig and go as far as we can to find out what this mold is, if you would (cause we can help each other out if you want) Here's why I say this. (Murphy and her husband died) of mold too that plagued their home. My folks lost (years ago) a LOT of fruit trees (lemon, peach, grapefruit etc) DUE to fungi...and "most recently" here in Vegas MANY of our neighbors in the neighborhood have had to have ALL of their shrubs/plants removed out of their front and back yards DUE to an invasive fungus. I mention my folks "trees" too for one reason. (my dad saw that white long thing come out of the trunk of one of his trees, as he watered it! And when he removed the watering hose to get a closer look, as he bend downwards to peek at this long white thing that came out of the trunk of the tree, it then retracted back into the trunk"). That's not really normal, since fungi don't have muscles. But, it still remains it was something odd. Now, I could be mixing oranges with apples, but...something seems odd doesn't it...(coincidence'y) sort of? And in our neighborhood, I learned a gal also (who they too had to remove their plants from their yard due to this odd fungus) & she got breast cancer and had to have a mastectomy because of the breast cancer. She's in her early 50's (another coincidence) - the same age group again. Or, are they just calling it fungus? Because I remember Kilani sp? labs said the "fungi could not be identified". Is this the strange stuff they're talking about, maybe we can find out.
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Post by sammy on Jul 31, 2010 13:04:06 GMT -5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 31, 2010 14:03:48 GMT -5
TONi actually, the doctors said it was not related to the mold in their home as they could find none during autopsy
BRITTANY MURPHY and her husband died of not fugus or mold, she died of ANEMIA and PNEUMONIA. andy should be checked for the same. I was diagnosed by TESTING with mycoplazma pneumonia and so are others here that have been tested for it.
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Post by toni on Jul 31, 2010 14:28:28 GMT -5
Yes, thanks Baraka.
But...guess what?
I know of several people who have been diagnosed with Pneumonia a bacterial infection - (and their meds did nothing for the pneumonia)
yet...when they finally got checked (lab results for fungi) in the lungs, they THEN tested positive for fungus, and then the medications were changed from an "antibiotic to an anti-fungal".
Most doctors do not check for fungus. But (possibly this stuff shows up in the lungs in the same place as bacterial pneumonia does on Xrays, so in essence (the patient) doesn't get better because of the incorrect diagnoses.
Just some more "pieces" or thoughts possibly?? Don't know, just sharing info I do know of.
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Post by sammy on Jul 31, 2010 14:40:21 GMT -5
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081014111403.htmI forgot this one. I have so many pages I get lost in them sometimes..hey maybe we should have frog scientist look at us..we could say we have frog fungi !!!! Am only teasing....but the fungi is everywhere....it seems they can see stuff...
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 31, 2010 14:44:52 GMT -5
There is a good point, diagnosed , diagnosed how, many doctors stick a stetascope to the chest and DIAGNOSE.
I and others were diagnosed thru testing, BUT it is interesting that you bring up this point, can the mold, fungus CAUSE this result, can pnemonia test give false positives for mycoplasma pnemonia, when it is really fungus or mold, possibiltys abound.
I will say this that gives credence to your assumtion, I had some anti fungal medication, it is a powder for external use, I would mix it with other salves and apply to lesion/tumor, the result would be in days I could feel a spot seemingly in my lung. This did not happen once but many times.
Could the mycoplasma be symbiotic with mold/fungus??
Now that gives me pause for thought, Thanks Toni.
Then what about the ANEMIA connection to these deaths would it be from lack of absorbtion or the fact that a component of this needs it to thrive.
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Post by toni on Jul 31, 2010 16:34:59 GMT -5
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/462308Well heck, this link isn't copying correctly. But what it said was some fungi can grow better in the presence of iron. So, that "could" be an iron zapper IF we have those kinds of fungal infections. Google: fungal growth and iron
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 31, 2010 17:27:59 GMT -5
Kmar, you can bet on what caused her demise. There is a component of this that invades the soft tissues deeply.
I used GSE inside my mouth it was not pretty, because I have had such good luck turning around the infestation I decided to keep going with the full strength treatment, the soft part in the top of the back of the mouth turned to putty it was so painful. The reaction with GSE is almost proof positive of infestation.
I tried to get thru, but even with my forced tolerence for pain I could NOY get to a point where GSE would not affect me adversly, maybe I should have diluted the GSE like I suggest to others NOW untill the occupation is on its way out.
A similar reaction happened with my scalp when it was occupied, but with continued application the reaction completly abated.
As for the mycoplasma pneumonia test being misread when it is really a fungus/mold problem that may be possible, even more possible is the fact that the mold/fungus could CAUSE the mycoplasma pneumonia. This would give raise to the idea if tested for ANY pneumonia do a mold/fungus test.
In fact I am going to take a look, google mycoplasma lung infection mold, mycoplasma infection fungus
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Post by toni on Jul 31, 2010 17:33:42 GMT -5
Here's a link that works about fungi and iron. cmr.asm.org/cgi/content/full/12/3/394Baraka, yes, GREAT advice. I'd sure second that. If anyone "gets diag'ed as having pneumonia" due to their symptoms, it really might be the thing to do (get a mold/fungi) test/culture done also. Fungi grow in the lungs and take off like weeds, and because our doctors aren't usually up to snuff in mold infections...well, now we are.
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Post by toni on Jul 31, 2010 17:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 31, 2010 18:16:50 GMT -5
Thanks Toni, this idea we have spoken about will have me getting tested for mold/fungus, especially if I come up with a spot in my lungs, there are already many with these spots, not only in the lungs but also their brains. I have to say first WoW, the responces on lymebusters are so far, a breath of fresh air, its ok here to have ideas and opinions of your own, and a influx of others ideas without vendeta attitude. I am enthused by the good nature of the people here. I myself am not anti idea, i am anti sigular thinking. Here is kinda a laugh, I look for the connection, I google it, lo and behold I come up with a site and at the top a picture of the lowly rat. Well to my surprise it is a LONG disertation from a VETERINARIAN so I read on, he is explaining in great detail the way to first off keep your pet rat healthy from MYCOPLASMA infection. It seems to be done with more care for a rat then we get from their counter parts, doctors for humans. It seems very sad we have less compassion for our life force than a rat does for his. The article goes on with the suggested treatment for the situation, feeding suggestion, beding choices and other attentions to detail. Take a look at it, you may become jealous, LOL the first words, Some day you or a friend may face this situation, well yeah. It also clued me that if I was to try experaments with rats it would be best to buy clinical type rats, but then again, I wonder if they eat so called natural food from China, LOL www.2ndchance.info/ratlover.htm
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Post by Lynn on Jul 31, 2010 18:37:43 GMT -5
I am feeble minded when it come to understanding what I read so please bear with me. I googled the Iron and fungas and thing its the type of iron from rocks not the type already processed in the foods we eat.
Dr. Shultz preaches never to get your vitamins from shells, bones, or rocks, or dirt. Only from the food that processes that. So maybe a mental poisoning that might be from Iron in vitamins which is taken from rocks. I could see that being part of the problem with a fungas.
Would like feed back on this. In Light Lynn
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 31, 2010 19:30:56 GMT -5
I would think it is more like contamination in the rocks from undisirables like arsnic.
The bones maybe pathogens, possibly the fact that most of what kidney stones are made of is your own bone, bone forms of calcium may stay in the kidneys. It is for this reason (finding a persons dissolved bones making up kidney stones) that they surmise it is a LACK of calcium that causes bone wasting actually by youe own bodys process
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Post by toni on Jul 31, 2010 20:16:05 GMT -5
Baraka, Yeah no kiddin, just looked over your link. (We need to belong to the Rat Club) to learn what's needed to help ourselves) ;D I wonder if these are the same meds used for people to treat Mycoplasma too? I've not gotten that far in searching yet. Torpedolynn, That's interesting about the iron. It does make sense too, because humans were meant to eat vegetation - and all our nutrients are in those, the different foods. To take "synthetics" or "man made" just really aren't the same.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 31, 2010 21:12:38 GMT -5
I looked all that correct nutriants up once and found that, there was a lush forest some tousands of years ago, it was covered over with volcanic ash, so all the minerals are supposedly derived from plant life, hype or truth, it was not cheap.
If you read all the way down in the rat article the good animal doctor used HUMAN DRUGS and broke the doseage down by a certain formula.
Lets just imagin this, they figure out by weight rat dosage but mostly people are given the same pills regardless of size.
My 100 pound mother was treated with the same amount of BLACK BOX drug as a 250 pound man, prednisone was the black box drug concerned and it came within a few minutes of killing her, I was lucky I went to her home that day to take care of her. I watched her drugs very well, but still they came up with another miricle black box drug, that drug was her demise 3 years later. The doctor just could not leave well enough alone, it shut down her kidneys. Yes she was already in pretty bad shape and my mother was struggling so what can be said really.
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Post by jj on Aug 1, 2010 14:16:45 GMT -5
Sorry about everyones loss ..... really Baraka, we try to keep the air clean ......... we try. Sometimes the moon shines a certain way and our hair stands up and we let loose. Is it OK if I point a finger at the moon or should I look in the mirror? JJ
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 1, 2010 19:00:50 GMT -5
JJ I understand quite well, this situation is stressful to say the least.
The atmosphere is just a bit calmer here, not like a hive of bee's swatted with a stick.
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Post by fritolay66 on Aug 1, 2010 21:57:26 GMT -5
This is one of the greatest places for sufferers in my opinion. Glad you are finding this to be true as well Baraka. Now about this mold thing and pneumonia, anemia, and the like. Mold exposure causes uncontrolled cytokine release in the body. Cytokines result from the effect of the mold exposure in that it produces toxins. Once the cytokines kick in from the exposure and subsequent development of toxins, they themselves become the cause of so many additional problems and subsequent disease. They cause complications by disrupting other chemical pathways and the sufferer develops positive feedback pathways. Positive feedback pathways are hard to interupt. We know cytokines within these pathways have many different effect points within each pathway. Uncontrolled release at points in these pathways then cause uncontrolled release and/or inhibition of other cytokines and moderating cytokines, and ultimately affect enzymes, and result in chemical intermediates (toxins and radicals) from all these reactions. Thus the positive feedback loop and why it is so darn hard to stop a positive feedback pathway. And why cytokines and the positive feedback pathways are instrumental in the development of additional disease such as anemia and pneumonia. Now as far as mold exposure and the development of anemia or pneumonia. Absolutely happens with mold exposure. Heres a link to help in understanding some of that connection. tinyurl.com/2g2nuanToxic mold exposure is often misdiagnosed as pnuemonia. Heres a very simple article in which I don't agree with some statements within it as I believe it downplays the very serious affects of mold exposure with descriptives such as uncommon or immune compromised. We know enough about mold exposure to know that you don't have to be immune compromised to suffer from the exposure and we also know enough about mold exposure to know the uncommon statement is one of lack of understanding and should not exist in the professional environments any longer. For more information about pneumonia and mold exposure, google both together and you will have a plethera of info about the twos connections. www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/factsheets/mold.htmFrito
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