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Post by snoozieblues on Apr 7, 2011 15:32:42 GMT -5
Hi all - I posted a message similar to this a few months ago but did not get too many conclusive replies, so am trying again. Thank you to those who responded though, it was much appreciated. It is my theory that Morgellons is now dormant in the whole population at different levels of advancement, and that there is possibly a nanotech/radiofrequency aspect to it. Not sure though, I've heard some pretty compelling parasite theories as well. At the very least, it seems clear that there is a silica aspect to the infection, which could be transformed into silicone under the right conditions if it did not start out that way (this could account for the adjuvant-like autoimmune reaction without the presence of actual nanotech). In plain English, there's some poop in us with metallic-like properties, even if we discount the rather far-fetched idea that there are sentient robots in each of our hair strands or that specific frequencies are being sent to us (who knows about that). My question is this...if there is NO nanotech but silica/silica transformed into silicone or magnetotactic bacteria (organic matter with magnetic-like properties), is this dangerous within an MRI machine? Further, if there IS actually manufactured and specifically tuned nanotech, would the magnets and/or frequencies be dangerous as well? I would assume you wouldn't want to play around with a huge magnet with the power of the earth's core and subsequent radio waves in those conditions, but I don't know enough to say that the unknown risk of an MRI would outweigh the benefit of determining the extent of Morgellons in the brain and central nervous system. At the very least, I don't want to die in the MRI machine because my photons were realigned in a way that insulted the pathogen. If there is no specific detrimental reaction, I would be overjoyed to have the test, but it's not the kind of thing you want to find out for yourself. Has anyone with full-blown Morgellons who had an MRI ever experienced any kind of dangerous reaction? I'm assuming not because people (most of whom are infected with Morgellons, I believe) aren't dying in MRIs every day and I haven't heard of anything of this sort happening. It could even be beneficial, or not interact with Morgellons at all. I just don't know. I'm assuming if there were to be an adverse reaction, it would be clear upon being anywhere near the machine when it was on and not just INSIDE of it. On the other hand, being in the presence of such a powerful magnet and radio waves could create a problem the second it interacted with the brain directly. Help with this? I'm assuming asking the radiologists wouldn't go over too well, and I don't know that a couple of Xanax is going to fix this potential problem. Any feedback from Morgies who have had MRIs or especially who are familiar with the possible makeup of Morgellons - whether organic or inorganic - would be very much appreciated! Thank you lovely survivors so very much.
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Post by headbee on Apr 7, 2011 18:32:48 GMT -5
Fot the record, I had no Morgellons symptoms until had an MRI in July 2006 and by September 2006 they were popping up along with the intense itching. It is possible it "wakes" them up.
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Post by toni on Apr 8, 2011 10:26:55 GMT -5
Snoozieblues,
I don't believe your question is being disregarded as for an answer you hope to learn, but - imho, when nothing is known for certain, (like what this is) then a question of what will this or that do, is almost impossible to answer.
As Headbee answered, she did have a reaction. Myself, I've had an MRI of my stomach, and nothing happened that I'm aware of from it. But, in reality, who really knows, as only time can answer that.
But...again, so many factors are involved, no differently than some medicines help some, whereas the same identical medicine might hurt another person.
Being "pioneers" with an "appearing new infection/disease/ contamination" or whatever this is, as it seems new to me since it's "not in the books"...so I call it "brand new" and :
as "pioneers" with anything, we are the ones that are of the "trial and error" factor, learning with everything we try whether it was something that was a good thing to do, or ooops, shouldn't have done that.
It's anyone's guess, as just the two of us posting here is what I mean.
Headbee had a reaction, I did not. It's so dependent on the person - and that too is only what just 2 of us see - that have posted so far.
And 2 people, aren't enough of anything for any determination of facts - let alone how anything is going to affect you.
Something else that just occured to me. I get tummy aches now which are from "acid" and I say they're from acid because: as soon as I take 1/2 of an "antacid" it goes away every time within 20 minutes.
I ask myself, is that from the MRI? Or....is it from what I eat, like tomatoes, because those cause acidity, or can it be from drinking orange juice, or could it be because I smoke? See...those are usually major contributing factors.
But I do have the thoughts of course why "now" and not before since I'm not doing anything differently?
Or is it "from having some infection like Morgellons and tummy aches are part of it - or co-infections like fungi, or some additional bacteria?
There's just no way to know...as the only thing I do know is - I never had daily tummy aches "before Morgellons". Just no way to know what exactly is causing anything, and especially how something is going to affect Morgellons when there's too many other factors playing into it also.
Of course I understand your great concern of what you should do or not...and whatever you do, I know we all hope the very best for you.
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Post by kammy on Apr 8, 2011 13:20:16 GMT -5
Hi Snoozies, we're all geniuses here. ;D We don't know what interactions MRI's nor the dyes they use to look at our organs, nuclear medicine machines and drugs, etc. and neither does the average technician nor doctor. If you ask yourself, using common sense - are MRI waves or contrast dyes completely safe or good for us?... I think we would instinctively agree that this is not something we would want to go out of our way to have done to us especially since we already have this weird, metallic, crystal material coming out of our skin and don't want to get worse.
I suppose the answer lies in what is the MRI for, if it's as serious as a brain tumor? - then... I'd say - you might want them to look? Are you having severe pain in an area that needs a MRI? Is possibly ridding the pain worth the procedure? If you are hurting bad enough, let's say with a blown disc in the back, you'll do anything to get out of the pain.
I had a couple of MRI's right before I had obvious Morg symptoms. ?? Does this prove the MRI's caused the Morgs in my body to become evident... not really - too many other factors involved - I suppose we could ask everyone if they had a MRI prior to their Morg symptoms and see if it is 100%, which I would doubt, but it might be interesting to know?
I would think too many x-rays or contrast dyes before a MRI, there's probably Morgies that have never had one.
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Post by scandi on Apr 8, 2011 18:38:31 GMT -5
My fullblown morgs started after a chest xray in 2005 since then all just went downhills.
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Post by 22122agin on Apr 8, 2011 18:41:36 GMT -5
I remember when I had my first IVP (pylogram) which is an x-ray of the kidney then heard about years later the hazards of those materials they inject to see better. Actually read somewhere you lose a few notches on those injectables with less function to the kidney. There seems to be so many things that worsen or even seemed to have brought about our morgellons symtoms. When I first arrived on this board in 2005, I spent two years researching for just that fact, what did people notice just before Morgellons? With everyone it was a different situational. We often hoped for a common thread. Some say Lyme is a common thread but then the testing is off mainstream for a test that your PPO, HMO has not heard of or is unwilling to do. It becomes another occupation to ferrit out something traditional medicine is not willing to look at with some Lyme doctor, not all, saying sensations of crawling is a common symtom of chronic lyme patients. My doctor said that to me, for example.
Recently I decided to buy a high powered magnet to put on my shoulder. Yes, it helps the pain and seems to be improving but the presence of the magnet too close to me in my room even, causes some strange dream sequences in my neural circuitry. That is before I read this thread. So its going in the car at night. We all have metal in our bodies one way or another. It might be just a simple thing. Who is to know? Thank you for your topic, snoozieblues.
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Post by snoozieblues on Apr 8, 2011 19:29:52 GMT -5
Thank you guys for all the replies! I understand this is a very new and unknown issue, and that nobody can really say what would or wouldn't happen, but all of the input is helping me deal with the question of whether to go through with it or not. This community is literally the last bastion of truth in a completely backwards, wonky, and false world, and we are the future.
It's going to be a brain MRI without contrast. I've begun showing signs of an MS-like autoimmune problem, which I believe was triggered by Morgellons (which possibly interacted with steroids after I stupidly smoked some pot with someone I didn't know who was using the pot for medicinal purposes - apparently steroids can aggravate strongyloid-like infections and cause them to migrate around the body, which is I think what maybe happened because all of a sudden Morgs was FURIOUS and I thought I was a goner. or maybe it was just PCP or something...but ol Morgie was NOT happy.) anywho, all of the weird bodily and cognitive problems I've been having I believe will appear as lesions as they do in classic demyelinating disorders, and then I will possibly have some external validity for my complaints of "something" within me (although I am very lucky not to have skin symptoms, save for the occasional weird, painful lumps on my skull, zit-like bumps on my face, and weird piercing sensations. I have so much respect for you guys who deal with that, and everyday I try to advocate for the Morgellons community with people I interact with because I can't even imagine having that and being treated with the horrific disregard and disgusting, seemingly conspiratorial incompetence of the medical community. I believe the skin symptoms to be a lupus-like response to a systemic pathogen that affects everyone differently.)
They stress so adamantly no metal, I wonder about metalloids. And whether hitting a certain frequency is going to wreak havoc. Luckily there's no radiation involved, which poses problems in and of itself. Since the machine is shielded, it's hard to know whether my brain is going to be sheared by rogue silicone bots who don't want to be detected. But as Yoda says, "Do or do not, there is no try." And everyone I know keeps assuring me it's safe, and if everyone had Morgs, then everyone would be unable to have brain MRIs. But I wonder if mine is more advanced, or if it's just going to start happening as this gets farther and farther out of control.
I will definitely report back here. They're using IAC to look at my brain stem, which is where the specific problems I've been having (facial paresthesias, breathing problems, autonomic symptoms) would most likely be originating from. I can guarantee that if those symptoms start WORSENING when I get anywhere near the machine, I'm out of there. I would just hope that if something happened with the magnetic component and frequencies, I'd know soon enough to claw my way out. Otherwise, it would make for a very interesting parable with the whole "damned if you do, damned if you don't" issue we seem to have to be dealing with here.
"Do or do not, there is no try!"
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Post by 22122agin on Apr 8, 2011 19:55:21 GMT -5
Hi Snoozieblues, Thank you for your response. Before Morgellons symtoms, I had MS symtoms. At the time there was a blood test and also checking spinal fluid. It is good you will not be using the contrast injections. Less to concern yourself with. Let us know how you fare. I remember once having cardiac arthymias and had them for over 15 years. Finally went in to see this wonderful cardiologist. He gave me a sample pack to try. I never had to open the box just receive it from him as his gift to me. Never had another arthrymia. Maybe you will be better and better now afterward doing the MRI. It might make something within you straighten up and fly right. Never know. Keep us in touch on how this goes. 22122
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Post by kammy on Apr 8, 2011 21:39:57 GMT -5
Being inside the machine can be scary, especially if you're claustrophobic or having such thoughts as your Morgs exploding. You've got to relax with it, ask for something to cover your eyes when you go in - that way it blocks out the sense of being in a tight space, if that bothers you? The sounds it makes are kinda' disturbing too... you may want to ask for a tranquilizer or something? Think nice thoughts, tell yourself - it'll be over soon enough. Let us know what is said?
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Post by violet on Apr 8, 2011 22:22:01 GMT -5
Being inside the machine can be scary, especially if you're claustrophobic or having such thoughts as your Morgs exploding. You've got to relax with it, ask for something to cover your eyes when you go in - that way it blocks out the sense of being in a tight space, if that bothers you? The sounds it makes are kinda' disturbing too... you may want to ask for a tranquilizer or something? Think nice thoughts, tell yourself - it'll be over soon enough. Let us know what is said? Good suggestions, Kammy. I especially like the idea of covering the eyes. Just FYI, when I've had MRI's (I get them annually for a meningioma), they put headphones on me and ask what I'd like to hear. They can provide whatever music/musician you ask for! I suggest Michael Crawford whose music can be so ethereal--it will transport you to a different plane, and you'll remember your MRI as a wonderful experience! :-) ) Maybe they will offer you this.
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Post by violet on Apr 8, 2011 22:54:09 GMT -5
Hi Snoozieblues, Thank you for your response. Before Morgellons symtoms, I had MS symtoms. At the time there was a blood test and also checking spinal fluid. It is good you will not be using the contrast injections. Less to concern yourself with. Let us know how you fare. I remember once having cardiac arthymias and had them for over 15 years. Finally went in to see this wonderful cardiologist. He gave me a sample pack to try. I never had to open the box just receive it from him as his gift to me. Never had another arthrymia. Maybe you will be better and better now afterward doing the MRI. It might make something within you straighten up and fly right. Never know. Keep us in touch on how this goes. 22122 Hi, 2's! Did their tests re: MS diagnose MS, or were the results inconclusive? Are you still having the symptoms? Sure hope you are not experiencing them any more...
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Post by 22122agin on Apr 9, 2011 0:24:31 GMT -5
Hi Violet and all, I did not go through with the tests which would have been at Oregon Health Sciences. Since the suspicions were coming from an ND type doctor, I felt I had some weight to try a positive mind set first. Later that same (OHS) place did a biopsey for malignant melanoma with a positive. I got a second opinion out of state and it was not positive. Saved me needless surgury, chemo and facial disfigurement. I always seek more than one opinion if I can. Surprising how one pathologist can differ from another. As to the MS symtoms, I was not wild about having a spinal tap. Decided to do other things like remove mercury filings, etc. Who knows what it was?
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Post by kammy on Apr 9, 2011 8:08:23 GMT -5
Does MRI or Ultrasound cause cancer? www.xrayrisk.com/faq.php"MRI uses strong magnetic fields and radio waves to obtain images, which have not been associated with an increased risk of cancer. Ultrasound uses sound waves to produce images. There is no exposure to ionizing radiation with MRI or Ultrasound. Natural background radiation exposure accounts for an average of 3.1 mSv/yr with variations depending on where you live. In the US, the average person is exposed to an additional 3.0 mSv/yr from medical sources (predominantly CT scans). Of course, some people receive no radiation and others much, much more. The average US total radiation exposure (all sources) is 6.2 mSv/yr which is an increase from 20 years ago (3.6 mSv/year) when CT scans were much less common. For comparison, the dose for a standard Chest CT is 7 mSv. A standard Chest x-ray is 0.1 mSv. There are fundamental differences between a continuous dose over a year (background radiation) and a dose that occurs over a few seconds like in CT, but these are helpful comparisons." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation
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Post by violet on Apr 9, 2011 10:53:45 GMT -5
Hi Violet and all, I did not go through with the tests which would have been at Oregon Health Sciences. Since the suspicions were coming from an ND type doctor, I felt I had some weight to try a positive mind set first. Later that same (OHS) place did a biopsey for malignant melanoma with a positive. I got a second opinion out of state and it was not positive. Saved me needless surgury, chemo and facial disfigurement. I always seek more than one opinion if I can. Surprising how one pathologist can differ from another. As to the MS symtoms, I was not wild about having a spinal tap. Decided to do other things like remove mercury filings, etc. Who knows what it was? I can sure understand about your not wanting to have a spinal tap! I used to have shots in my lower back for back pain, and the morgs seemed to like to congregate where the needle was stuck in. I've always wondered if morgs was already there, or if the treatments (and subsequent lower-back surgery) caused morgs. Have you considered a third time for seeking a diagnosis on the suspicion of melonoma? I would really suggest it. The second diagnosis could be wrong too (I don't want to alarm you), but with three diagnoses, you may be able to better confirm one of the first two...
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Post by 22122agin on Apr 9, 2011 13:35:55 GMT -5
Violet, i did see out someone who did whole blood analysis. Some treatments were done. He saw cancer cells in the blood but I somehow felt I was scammed that he switched my slides with true cancer cell slides. Who is to know? After taking an injection of injectable homeopathic remedies, at the next appointment, no cancer cells were seen. ( I spent lots of money at that clinic). It has been 15 years. If it was really melignant melanoma, I would be already gone from this earth, either way and don't think the injectable would have cleared them but ... Thanks for your concern.. 22122
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Post by violet on Apr 9, 2011 13:51:31 GMT -5
Violet, i did see out someone who did whole blood analysis. Some treatments were done. He saw cancer cells in the blood but I somehow felt I was scammed that he switched my slides with true cancer cell slides. Who is to know? After taking an injection of injectable homeopathic remedies, at the next appointment, no cancer cells were seen. ( I spent lots of money at that clinic). It has been 15 years. If it was really melignant melanoma, I would be already gone from this earth, either way and don't think the injectable would have cleared them but ... Thanks for your concern.. 22122 That must have been quite a scare. Sure am glad you are okay.
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Post by freaky on Apr 14, 2011 3:12:16 GMT -5
I had a brain scan, a MRI with no contrast? and I did dandy. If there were any consequences due to it, I'll never know. It was quick, & easy. I think I fell asleep.zzzzzzzzz's ! Results were great. For a woman my age, I'm OK. Not to worry.
Hugs, & dead bugs, freaky
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Post by elizabeth67 on Apr 15, 2011 10:36:17 GMT -5
I had a MRI (lungs) last year.( suffering Morgellons for 3,5 years) As far as I know it had no adverse effects. My morgs didn't get worse after the MRI.
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