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Post by skizit on May 18, 2011 15:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by ginna898 on May 18, 2011 15:39:09 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/getsmart/program-planner/Step1.pdfStep 1: Engage Stakeholders The first step in the CDC Framework approach to program evaluation is to engage the stakeholders.
Stakeholders are people or organizations that are invested in the program, are interested in the results of the evaluation, and/or have a stake in what will be done with the of the evaluation. Representing their needs and interests throughout the process is fundamental to good program evaluation. Typical Stakeholders in Public Health Key stakeholders for evaluations of public health programs fall into three major groups: • Those involved in program operations: Management, program staff, partners, funding agencies, and coalition members. • Those served or affected by the program: Patients or clients, advocacy groups, community members, and elected officials. • Those who are intended users of the evaluation findings: Persons in a position to make decisions about the program, such as partners, funding agencies, coalition members, and the general public or taxpayers. Clearly, these categories are not mutually exclusive; in particular, the primary users of evaluation findings are often members of the other two groups, i.e., the program management or an advocacy organization or coalition. While you may think you know your stakeholders well, these categories help you to think broadly and inclusively in identifying stakeholders.
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Post by ginna898 on May 18, 2011 15:42:59 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/getsmart/program-planner/Step1.pdfWhy Stakeholders are Important to an Evaluation Stakeholders can help (or hinder) an evaluation before it is conducted, while it is being conducted, and after the results are collected and ready for use. Because so many public health efforts are complex and because public health agencies may be several layers removed from frontline implementation, stakeholders take on particular importance in ensuring that the right evaluation questions are identified and that evaluation results will be used to make a difference. Stakeholders are much more likely to support the evaluation and act on the results and recommendations if they are involved in the evaluation process. Conversely, without stakeholder support, your evaluation may be ignored, criticized, resisted, or even sabotaged.
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Post by ginna898 on May 18, 2011 15:50:26 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/getsmart/program-planner/Step1.pdfPotential Stakeholders in Public Health Programs • Program managers and staff. • Local, state, and regional coalitions interested in the public health issue. • Local grantees of your funds. • Local and national advocacy partners. • Other funding agencies, such as national and state governments. • State or local health departments and health commissioners. • State education agencies, schools, and other educational groups. • Universities and educational institutions. • Local government, state legislators, and state governors. • Privately owned businesses and business associations. • Health care systems and the medical community. • Religious organizations. • Community organizations. • Private citizens. • Program critics. • Representatives of populations disproportionately affected by the problem. • Law enforcement representatives ------------------------------------------------------ How can we find out WHO are the "stakeholders" in this Morgellons study and kindly request for the utmost URGENCY due to all the suffering and known deaths including from suicide caused by the complete despair from feeling all this helplessness/hopelessness from OUR "Government Health Agency (AKA CDC) and their actions?
Would a FOIA request be helpful to us in learning who these stakeholders are?
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Post by bannanny on May 18, 2011 16:39:56 GMT -5
Don't know how to go about that ginna... but if the CDC says the same thing as the Mayo clinic article does, I'll fight to the end to find out just who "they" are and give 'em a huge piece of my mind.
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Post by skizit on May 19, 2011 0:06:23 GMT -5
Why would "stakeholders" have any say in scientific findings? Science is science apart from any other interest. If stakeholders had any say, the world would still be flat. The stakeholders are the ones who have controlled everything about Morgellons so far. No more stakeholder influence in scientific findings I say.
The first question should be what "program" are we evaluating? The Hybrid Human Program? That's a program that would have stakeholders.
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Post by freaky on May 19, 2011 3:13:48 GMT -5
Maybe the stakeholders are the ones responsible for morgellons in the 1st place, & don't want their wrist's slapped. Aren't the lobbyists taking part in this? As the CDC has lied to us from the get go, does anyone believe they have been born again? I don't think putting comic strips around the entire building when Chronic Fatigue was being investigated was funny. I think we're getting ready to be even more humiliated. It's like you won't even know you ever were, once this upcoming report is publicized. Who hid the stick? Maybe we should order some. Why is it so dark? Maybe we should turn on a light. I'm thinking I may just ask someone for help. Time's a wasting. (sp) I don't care what anyone thinks. I think I may coozy up to Glen Beck. At least he cares, & he also donates to charities, & he does tell the truth.. Well, at least I'm thinking, but I'm sure not sitting on my hands waiting anxiously for the CDC Report to come out. Oh, I'm not near finished, and a fricken fog rolled in. Nite all
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Post by bannanny on May 19, 2011 12:48:58 GMT -5
Why is it so dark? Maybe we should turn on a light. I'm thinking I may just ask someone for help. Time's a wasting. (sp) I don't care what anyone thinks. I think I may coozy up to Glen Beck. At least he cares, & he also donates to charities, & he does tell the truth.. Well, at least I'm thinking, but I'm sure not sitting on my hands waiting anxiously for the CDC Report to come out. Oh, I'm not near finished, and a fricken fog rolled in. Nite all YOU GO GIRL!!!!! I love you bunches ~~ bannanny P.S. I tried to call you but it only rang and rang. You ok?
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Post by ginna898 on May 21, 2011 22:14:32 GMT -5
Taken from Chiram's thread: lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=14837Hi everyone, skizit brought up the topic of the "stakeholder" in conjunction with the CDC and their report on 'engaging' stakeholders conform with the U.N. framework. I noticed the rather confused remarks and general clueless tenor of most replies; I know it's frustrating when dealing with doublespeak.
So, I decided to share a bit of my personal and professional experience with the new genus of "stakeholders", as meant by the CDC, for your enjoyment (I hope) and some clarification.
First of all, the term is used in context of the CDC Framework; "framework" is legalese and means a contract agreement. This is a description of one of the contract parties (party groups) to the CDC. (it's all business)
ginna898 correctly referred us to a citation from the Pdf that explains how the stakeholders are people and organizations to be "engaged" in the "program" to be developed by the CDC (an agency). This tells us that the contract offers financial benefit to those who participate in the CDC's offer- ings. This could be, for example, a prescribed therapeutic regimen contracted out to participating stakeholders. It also suggests that the "program" could exclude all other forms of therapy such as Chinese, Homeopathic, Naturo- pathic, etc. if they are not party to the "Framework" agreement - or even forbid alternative regimens. (get the gist of it?)
But there's more lurking in the contractual shadows if one considers the following:
- "stakeholder" is a term referred to in Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen's Neo- Marxist theories on "economic entropy" which the U.N. and EU have im- plemented as the "De-growth" concept in their de-industrialisation re- gulations and statutes.
- de-growth accompanies its eugenic counterpart called "de-population"
- in describing his economic views, Georgescu-Roegen saw the Gross Nat- ional Product as the Gross Social Cost paid for people's zest for living. Now mix that up with de-growth and see what you get!
Skizit also correctly questioned why "stakeholders" should have any say in scientific findings. Well, quite frankly they wouldn't because there never would be any 'real' scientific findings, but a plethora of CDC recommendations based on 'expert' research or opinion; that's what 'agents' do.
Why all the fuss then? Since morgs is more akin to an experiment than a so-called disease, wouldn't it be cozy to make money off the victims while moni- toring the advancing phases of the 'experiment' so you could make corrections or adaptations to this stage of 'transhumanism' in progress, for example? (remember, it's all business)
And, Freaky, no, the stakeholders are not the perpetrators, they're too far down the chain of command.
So let's have a look at a real life "stakeholder" and his contractual situ- ation.
Kurt W. Hecker is a very successful electrical/acoustic engineer, one of the founders and chairman of the "High End Society" that supports the Hi-Fi industry in Europe.
Under the new economic de-growth system he is a "stakeholder" who represents the interests and problems of the Hi-Fi industry (manufacturers) when he reports to the new EU-ministry of economic planning and control called "the Directorate-General for Industry and [reverse] Development".
The "Directorate General" has to abide by its 'Prime Directive' that is de- signed to facilitate de-growth in such a manner as to avoid crisis or rabid collapse. The directive is called "Ecodesign". This myriad of regulations and stipulations rules over all Hi-Fi products 'equally' in areas of power use, en- vironment, longevity of product, energy usage for manufacturing, materials, design, customer use, sales, etc. Kurt's pleasing Hi-Fi sound is irrelevant.
In fact, the 'prime directive' treats everything in all areas of business the same, which is why it is a death knell for many established firms with a tradition of high quality. (don't need quality for the "inferior" populace)
So you see, the "stakeholder" in the U.N.'s Georgescu-Roegen entropic economic system puts industry at the mercy of a "Directorate General" and leaves customer wishes and needs out in the cold. (the banks are of course the exception here, they have a better contract)
Now, apply this de-growth structure to "programs" aimed at morg sufferers where a Public Health 'Directive' steers development of 'treatment', and the "stakeholders" must fit the 'directive', not tend to the afflicted's needs.
An example of an EU-programme being developed according to 'directive' is the Public Health Genomics System that is ready to turn medical health treatment into a bogus genetic "disease" catalogue that can be used to treat most illnesses as "genetic defects" curable with new somatic [fantasy] vaccines dispensed directly by the pharma industry, conveniently bypassing medical professionals at some point. The group of "stakeholders" here is de- cidedly smaller! (something like textbook fascism?)
Well, that will do, I think you get the picture.
(I do want to express sincerest thanks to all of you who have given advice, researched, posted photos, bravely told your stories and given others the courage of your convictions - you are heroes in my eyes; you and a few others helped someone very dear to me find their way back to an almost normal life, God bless you.
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Post by skizit on May 22, 2011 0:57:12 GMT -5
Thanks, that's about as clear as you can make it but my non-government, non-business mind can't seem to wrap around that. So Morgellons or "Project Zombie" is a business directive depopulating, demoralizing, dehairizing and devolving the populace. I wonder what John Lennon would say.
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Post by chiram on May 22, 2011 11:38:17 GMT -5
Hi skizit, from my observations I'd say your "non-government, non-business" mind is capable of wrapping itself around any subject once it's been recognized. (yes, this is meant as a compliment) Let me, with your permission,suggest the following: - I did not mean to imply that morgs or 'project zombie' are simply business directives, but that there is a heirarchical structure or pattern behind the activities of "programs" instigated by 'agencies' such as the CDC or EU- Directorate where morgs fits in - the pattern is recognizable in many areas once you look for it; buzzwords like 'framework', 'working committee', 'sustainability' are good clues - yes, de-population does use business, but the directive has a higher source - with "demoralization" it's a whole different story - this is a key word in the larger picture or pattern contained within the U.N.'s Agenda21. Mind control and social conditioning are not 'conspiracies' but a system of four stages used to transform the thinking and behaviour of entire populations and generations (see: Prof. Yuri Andropov). In psychological warfare these activities are known as 'ideological subversion' which changes the perception of reality to such an extent that the targeted people/nation are no longer able to reach sensible conclusions. The treatment of morg sufferers is obvious proof of how effective the conditioning has been. (Do you really think that a normal, compassionate society would so brazenly ignore the sufferings of so many of its members?) The four stages of 'social conditioning' are: 1 - Demoralization 2 - Destabilization 3 - Crisis 4 - Normalization According to Yuri Bezmenov, trained agent for media subversion, the first stage was completed in the 1980's, and the second stage could also be finished (Bezmenov died in 1997). Successful demoralization causes a people/nation to be unable to defend themselves, their families, communities or country. (Sounds all too familiar to me.) Please understand this as an historical foray to help us understand the present situation that many people "feel" but cannot put their finger on it. If you can find the time take a look at these youtube videos, straight from the horse's mouth: tinyurl.com/ykuq82ptinyurl.com/bstukstinyurl.com/ycuhqbvtinyurl.com/3g6uhvf
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Post by skizit on May 22, 2011 14:29:46 GMT -5
If you keep splaining, I may understand. The manipulation of society is completely out of my circle of thoughts because I tend to want to think my thoughts and leave other's to them as well. My children call themselves "free-range children." I'll think on this a while. You gave me phrases and names to explore. Thanks!
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Post by chiram on May 23, 2011 14:54:22 GMT -5
Hi skizit, your post shows that you've already begun the understanding process some time ago. We're all burdened with work, family, shopping, repairs, spats and then -bang! - along comes that 800 pound gorilla of Lyme and/or Morgs on top of an already full time situation. That's when you discover the extent of 'social manipulation' although most people do not recognize it as such since we've all been "conditioned" not to. Women being closer to the social fabric of a culture "feel" the inconsistencies more readily than most men, who cannot get past the camouflage. The complete breakdown of society's normal ability to cope with something like morgs is part and parcel of the 'manipulations'. The information I'm sharing with you is not intended to be any kind of additional burden but rather a slight lifting of the fog with awareness of what's 'manipulating' our perception of 'reality'. (see: B.F. Skinner, "Walden Two" for comparison relating to behavioural manipulation). Here's a slight lifting of the fog for a certain 51% of humanity. As you remarked, skizit, you (and most women) want to be left in peace to ponder your thoughts, as you respectfully let other people ponder theirs: that can also be a carefully orchestrated deception if you're not really alone with "your" thoughts... "There is no way of influencing men so powerfully as by means of the women. These should therefore be our c h i e f study; we should insinuate ourselves into their good opinion, give them hints of emancipation from the tyranny of public opinion, and of standing up for themselves; it will be an immense relief to their enslaved minds to be freed from any one bond of restraint, and it will fire them the more, and cause them to work for us with zeal, without knowing that they do so; for they will only be indulging their own desire of personal admiration." Taken from Minos' conspiratory letter to Sebastian in John Robison, "Proofs of a Conspiracy", 1798, p.101. The manipulators use and abuse both women and men in their insidious and odious global machinations. They try their hardest to interfere with every moment we spend trying to properly assess the situation. We just have to be aware of it to gain a bit of immunity to it. And that, skizit, is when you have reconquered a little piece of mind that they can never ever take away from you again!!
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Post by ginna898 on May 23, 2011 16:09:36 GMT -5
addendum: Ginna, here's a link to show how "stakeholder" is being integrated vertically into corporate business. This will give you a view from the top-down perspective - also interesting for those of you in small to medium plc's to see how Neo-Marxist economics is being made attractive. www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newPPM_07.htmChiram, YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT "Stakeholders". Excerpt from your link: Stakeholder Analysis is the technique used to identify the key people who have to be won over. You then use Stakeholder Planning to build the support that helps you succeed. The benefits of using a stakeholder-based approach are that: You can use the opinions of the most powerful stakeholders to shape your projects at an early stage. Not only does this make it more likely that they will support you, their input can also improve the quality of your project (mayo clinic finding for an example with CDC?)Gaining support from powerful stakeholders can help you to win more resources – this makes it more likely that your projects will be successful By communicating with stakeholders early and frequently, you can ensure that they fully understand what you are doing and understand the benefits of your project – this means they can support you actively when necessary You can anticipate what people's reaction to your project may be, and build into your plan the actions that will win people's support. ---------------------------------------- OK after last week's news fiasco from a "reputable" Mayo Clinic Agency, the CDC can now "anticipate people's reaction"
And they also "conditioned" people who don't have morgellons to think it is delusional.
That tells me it really is best not to use Morgellons AT ALL with any doctor and as is get symptoms treated so we can be comfortable. CDC warned that if and when this report comes out, it basically wasn't going to have answers. I see it now as what it is from a government political office (CDC) --- a stalling game and other tactics to control people's opinion of what morgellons is.
The Rockford's do want control and are part of the "real government".
It is the end of america.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-BIVWlc7A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4lF8Nj3RAU&feature=related
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Post by skizit on May 23, 2011 17:34:36 GMT -5
Chiram, If you had to explain the social, governmental, military intent of the design or purpose of Morgellons, say in a few sentences, what do think I could say in a video that would introduce these thoughts so that Morgellons could start taking on a real policy designed with an end result in mind. I don't understand enough to make a statement at this time in my words.
I have an upcoming conference where I am tailoring material to this particular audience so I want to put in some new ideas which are very relevant to Morgellons education. Thanks!
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Post by chiram on May 24, 2011 21:58:50 GMT -5
Hi skizit, well you've put up quite a challenge for a wordy person like me, but I'll do my best.
First, let's put the parameter at 50 years to limit generational scatter.
Next, let's limit the goal of engineered functionality to electrical interfacing man and machine, with self-generation of materials. Design upgrades inte- grated at regular intervals.
Finally, let's assume the secret elite manufacturers do not want to be affected and have protective treatment for themselves or have set up a building-block system that only activates when all prerequisites are in target.
1. Government/political intent of design: implementation of the "hive-mind" thus no opposition to policy ('we are Borg'). The government is completely stable. Also a good excuse to remove 'afflicted' political dissenters for the health safety of the community. Creation of noosphere.
2. Social intent of design: similarly, society could isolate 'trouble makers' stigmatized by bizarre affliction or inability to "hive"; all for the greater good. This creates a sociological control function perceived as a unified medical effort. Same effect if morgellons is seen as a pandemic threat.
3. Military intent of design: the "hive-mind" model allows for 'unarmed' forces since 'enemies' practically non-existent. If military conflict needed you have soldier as hi-tech interfaced weapons system, remote control, multi-obser- vation and communication all in one. No insubordination.
"In the end they will lay down their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.' "
F. Dostoyevsky, "Brothers Karamazov"
(PS: In my opinion this morphs quite a bit when you push the time-line out several generations.)
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Post by kammy on May 24, 2011 23:28:23 GMT -5
Well, nobody asked me, but I'm putting in my 2 cents worth. I see different strains of the disease, just to list a few:
The basic strain which doesn't sound as severe as the others, their symptoms might be biting, stinging, itching, feeling like something is crawling under the skin, they emit specks or 'goo' and have a biofilm. Balance and dizziness, ears ringing or buzzing. May or may not have lesions. Their disease can be somewhat easily managed with supplements, antibiotics, antifungals, maintenance, and they get better and can start functioning fairly easily within a few months time.
Then there's others that are more severe that includes the above symptoms plus taking none of the above medicines helps and they can become dysfunctional, their central and peripheral nervous systems paralyzed for months before they come out of it, their cognitive and motor functions are greatly impaired, along with their ability to cope with everyday living maintenance, they may lose their jobs, they develop ADD, bipolar-like, or obsessive-compulsive disorder symptoms, emotional problems, isolate, become withdrawn, depressed, memory issues, bed ridden, a zombie body-takeover feeling, etc.
The third group, which has most of all of the above along with actual or pseudo parasites coming out of the skin, head, ears, nose or stool, etc. This seems to be the most affected group. I believe this 3rd group is the destination to be achieved in the event of a loosing. We have to ask ourselves, why would this be?
1. Doctors have already been desensitized to ignore or how to handle our condition when it's presented.
2. A Dermatologist or doctor can diagnose a psychiatric disorder based on our symptom complaints with no testing or physical examination.
A. What if a large number of people had some of these symptoms at one time, how would/could they be treated as mental patients?
3. If you were wanting to create a submissive society, what would be the advantages of them contracting Morgellons or turning people into mental patients, do they legally become wards of the state?
A. What rights do you lose when you become a mental patient? B. How were mental patients treated in Nazi Germany? C. If you had been offered euthanasia at some point in your illness, would you have opted for it? D. Did you ever think about suicide at any point in your illness? E. Did you ever feel that you were contagious?
4. What basic, instinctual fears does this disease trigger?
A. Do you think that fear of getting this disease could cause people to act in a certain manner, if they knew what it was, if it was contagious or how it feels or affects people?
5. Would you have been able to protect yourself, your home, your family during the worst or initial part of your disease in a time of crisis?
A. Would you have been able to shoot a gun, run, physically fight or just easily give in?
6. If you or a family member just came down with Morgellons symptoms and you were unaware of what it was and went to look on the Internet to see what it says, and the most recent informations says, 'it's delusional'... how would you treat this family member, allow them to be treated or what would you think was happening to you?
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Post by sheredelight on May 25, 2011 2:25:43 GMT -5
I'm not a conformist, rather a wild child. I have always thought outside the square. I have very little to no faith in Doctors, Dr at the moment wants to heavily sedate me, turn me into a Zombie, anti psychotics drugs, I refuse. I'd rather be nutty on my own terms, than have my brain shrunk by those drugs.
The police just shoot, people who have a mental illness in OZ that are on antipsychoitic drugs, because they lose the plot, they dont muck around, shoot em dead. So i will only follow up with doctors only on the Lyme side of things, so far i haven;t been labeled. In Australia, we can't be armed ,gun's to be registered, i think i would like a tazer tho. Can you imagine your own country men coming to take us away, wow. What would you do, no rights, all liberties taken away. Just thinking out loud. Herded up like cattle, taken to a camp, wish i had a crystal ball.
I dont trust governments, banks, ect...Australia Army wants more people to join, brain washed to kill, desensitised young people, I've never liked war, ever.....it look"s scarry....hope it doesn't come to this !!!!!!!!!
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Post by kammy on May 25, 2011 7:35:32 GMT -5
That's just the way it is down South, everybody has a gun about somewhere, some folks are going to have a hard time just laying it down or giving it up, Kas. My father was a gunsmith on the side, I've been around them since I was a baby, it's just a part of our heritage. I used to have a permit, I wonder if I could get it renewed now with the "DOP" on my medical record, I don't know?
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Post by chiram on May 25, 2011 14:10:57 GMT -5
Hi kammy, in my opinion your 2 cents worth is always a boon, and if I add my 2 cents worth then we have a 100% summation gain, right? Anyway, you've thrown out quite a few important subjects and observations. I found some appropriate links to info that fits into your references to euthanasia and Nazi medical crimes. The eugenicists were just as active in the USA as in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, but ran into trouble when advocating 'merciful killing' where the Nazis had the political 'persuasion' to do anything they wanted. The troubling info is that the original blueprint for eugenics policy came out of the American Eugenics Society laboratory in Cold Spring Harbor, NY. - tinyurl.com/3boh2sy- tinyurl.com/3cq6dqx- www.hli.org/index.php/condoms/608?task=viewHitler was even man of the year in "Time" magazine (that really takes the cake) - tinyurl.com/3qwxsfeThe more info we have in our 'quivers', the better we can fight these monsters today - they're still around and must be exposed for what they are. Morgs is one of the areas I'm sure they're poking around in; you've touched on several topics they love: suicide, mental illness and incurable 'disease'.
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