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Post by skizit on Jul 30, 2011 15:06:56 GMT -5
I contacted Dr. Nicholson, hoping he could help me with some of the problems in Morgellons. He does not have training in synthetic biology so he is looking for answers in what he knows. He so kindly replied with the following:
Dear SkizitGesture;
Unfortunately, I do not know of someone with the broad background necessary to crack this problem. It does have features of existing diseases, which I presume is caused because of multiple infections that go along with the Morgellons. Thus we can see elements of Lyme Borrelia, Mycoplasma and other microorganisms that could cause some of the systemic signs and symptoms, but this does not explain the extruded fibers and hook-like structures found on skin and other signs and symptoms that to me suggest a subcutaneous parasite, one that may have some elements of insect origin (because of the chitinous nature of some of the extrusions). This is much more complex than the problem of Gulf War Illness that we previously worked on (see Project Day Lily, http://www.projectdaylily.com),
From what I know, such chimeric creatures could have been created using elements of genetic engineering plus old-fashioned combinations in culture, but what relationship this could have to Morgellons remains elusive.
We do know the following from patients that we have been in contact with over the last few years and from their responses to advice that we have tried to give them. First, there are elements of bacterial infections in Morgellons. In some cases they can be identified (such as the microorganisms listed above) and treated with appropriate antibiotics, but that is only part of the equation, and although helpful, this does not completely solve the problem.
Second, an important structural element of Morgellons appears to be biofilm, a mainly polysaccharide matrix used for survival, protection from host response and movement of some complex families of microorganisms and parasites. When Morgellons patients are given some very effective biomatrix-busters, such as Detoxamin, they have tremendous Herxheimer Reactions, which one might expect if biomatrix was an important element of the process. Parasites often extrude such matrix material to protect themselves from host responses and to provide a suitable microenvironment for their survival, movement and growth. Breaking down the biofilm matrix, I believe, is one part of solving the problem.
Third, anti-parasite drugs, such as Allnia (nitrazoxanide) or other drugs, might be effective, but only if used in combination with antibiotics, biofilm busters and immune support.
I have tried to get treating physicians to try combinations of antibiotics plus anti-parasite drugs along with the biofilm busters, but none seem to be brave enough to try this without supporting lab evidence, which is difficult to come by.
While it is relatively routine to find, for example, single bacterial, viral or fungal contaminants of foods, finding complex mixtures of organisms in skin samples of Morgellons has been difficult. What I believe is needed is to put together a team of microbiologists, parasitologists, biochemists and pathologists to work together on this problem, but no one seems to have the resources to do this.
Finally, I do not believe that this disease is caused by delusion or hysteria. i believe that it is a real problem that will eventually be identified, and appropriate treatments will be forthcoming. But the problem won't be solved by taking simplistic approaches and assuming that this is a simple problem containing one simple element that will eventually be identified.
Prof. Garth Nicolson (Professor Emeritus of Laboratory Medicine) The Institute for Molecular Medicine
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Post by kammy on Jul 31, 2011 5:57:11 GMT -5
TY, Skiz, good information to know.
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Post by jeany on Jul 31, 2011 12:13:06 GMT -5
Great info Skiz, thanks for sharing and all you do for us.
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Post by bannanny on Jul 31, 2011 12:57:58 GMT -5
I really love that man... he's one of the good guys IMO! Thanks Skizzie... and I'm glad it's you he's talking to!
biggest hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by sheredelight on Jul 31, 2011 21:20:59 GMT -5
Thanks Skizit,
That's great info, if i show this to my Doctors, they actually might beleive me for a change. Now wouldn't that be nice .
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Post by skizit on Jul 31, 2011 23:21:26 GMT -5
I've asked Dr. Nicholdson to possibly work with a doctor on this. He is not up on the synthetic (inorganic) side of this disease so I told him I would put something together. In the process I think an organization of the symptoms and sides may come together. I don't know how soon I can do this because of the death in my family and I had put together something on No-Touch Torture and the similarities -- they both create the delusional person denied their truth by authorities, that i have to finish. I just have a little more to go. I hope you like it.
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Post by bannanny on Aug 1, 2011 11:14:40 GMT -5
No hurry Skiz... take time for you right now. Morgs will still be here... and of course we'll love what you've done as we have with all your great work.
big huge hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by frappergirl on Aug 1, 2011 11:37:06 GMT -5
Wow! Awesome! Did you kow this material is in the audio that Fry labs - Dr Harper- and Nancy Guberti have presented? You guys rock! this is RIGHT ON!! Thanks Bananny and skizit!!! I sent this to all of them and hope they will all read!! Amazing! Thanks so much!FrapperG PS ... more BIG thanks and want to say I SENT IT ON!! hope to get the interest going. will let you know ..K?
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Post by bannanny on Aug 3, 2011 13:48:14 GMT -5
Cool frapper!! But there's no need to thank me honey... this is skizzie's great work!!
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Post by frappergirl on Aug 4, 2011 0:01:00 GMT -5
Skiz............. You ROCK!
Big Hug to you too! Big hug.
Frapper G
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Post by ctbarb on Aug 4, 2011 11:38:55 GMT -5
Dear Skiz, Great response from Dr. Nicholson and a big thank you to him for taking the time to help us! Early on in this disease, I took samples from my body (literally hundreds of them) to a recognized university in New England where I met with microbiologists, pathologists, and parasitologists among others. I am forwarding this document on to their Dept. Chair (who was also present) in the hope that it will spark more interest with Dr. Nicholson's comments, than previously. They are all teaching profs and assistant research profs, so hopefully one of them will pick up the phone and call him. I am personally calling the "Chair" to update and advise that this is coming. Unfortunately, I was told in private, that since the university receives Gov't grants and funding, that they could not continue with any further formal investigation. It was a consensus that these samples were indeed "genetically modified/manipulated" per their initial findings - to a person. Most if not all universities and institutes of higher learning receive some or much of their income from governmental sources, big pharmas, and corporations and therefore cannot contribute their time or knowledge, outside their promised domain. Our sources must be totally independent from any such restrictions (i.e Proprietary Information Agreements)...and they are extremely few and far between! It is with great hope that there are still some fair-minded scientists out there, who like Dr. Nicholson, will give of their time and knowledge to help those of us who suffer so horrendously from the pain, seclusion induced by those who cannot or will not believe that we aren't mentally impaired or delusional, and of course the medical community that still refuses to be honest enough to treat us with dignity and respect. Skiz, I personally want to thank you for your diligence and hard work for our cause...especially during such a difficult time in your own family... My thoughts and prayers are with you and all of us, CTBarb
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Post by violet on Aug 4, 2011 12:09:09 GMT -5
Dear Skiz, Great response from Dr. Nicholson and a big thank you to him for taking the time to help us! Early on in this disease, I took samples from my body (literally hundreds of them) to a recognized university in New England where I met with microbiologists, pathologists, and parasitologists among others. I am forwarding this document on to their Dept. Chair (who was also present) in the hope that it will spark more interest with Dr. Nicholson's comments, than previously. They are all teaching profs and assistant research profs, so hopefully one of them will pick up the phone and call him. I am personally calling the "Chair" to update and advise that this is coming. Unfortunately, I was told in private, that since the university receives Gov't grants and funding, that they could not continue with any further formal investigation. It was a consensus that these samples were indeed "genetically modified/manipulated" per their initial findings - to a person. Most if not all universities and institutes of higher learning receive some or much of their income from governmental sources, big pharmas, and corporations and therefore cannot contribute their time or knowledge, outside their promised domain. Our sources must be totally independent from any such restrictions (i.e Proprietary Information Agreements)...and they are extremely few and far between! It is with great hope that there are still some fair-minded scientists out there, who like Dr. Nicholson, will give of their time and knowledge to help those of us who suffer so horrendously from the pain, seclusion induced by those who cannot or will not believe that we aren't mentally impaired or delusional, and of course the medical community that still refuses to be honest enough to treat us with dignity and respect. Skiz, I personally want to thank you for your diligence and hard work for our cause...especially during such a difficult time in your own family... My thoughts and prayers are with you and all of us, CTBarb Barb, thank you for such an informative post. The sentence I highlighted above gives me chills. It is such a significant statement from people who are in the know. I'm so sorry you are dealing with this, but you have taken very good steps in how you've gone to try to get help. It's very impressive that you werer able to meet with the profs and researchers you met with. And that you are able to post some information from such a credible source. I don't trust our govenment in any way at all.
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Post by skizit on Aug 4, 2011 18:27:14 GMT -5
Barb Because of the inclusion of the disgustingness of the eminating insects, spiders and so forth, there was a thread that went through the things I've been looking at and that was the aspect of the victim being delusional and having the personal identity attacked. I compared the treatment of torture victims, gangstalking and Morgellons and they all create what the government is calling delusional victims. Thus, because of the torture and the gangstalking having a government CIA source, I have deducted that Morgellons is probably a CIA program as well, part of their no-touch torture. It fits that it is culling people who already have some type of metabolic problems, the elderly, the young. They are not working on curing diabetes, they already have a cure for cancer. People should stop giving money to these causes because it doesn't do any good. No one has to account for their research or where its headed or where they are in their research. How do you get a super race that Hitler talked about? Its 21st century eugenics. So no, the government wants this hushed up and for a long long time. Dr. nicholson does not take Gov money. He's retired too, probably won't be doing much. There's some interesting information on plans to change human DNA in assisted evolution. This article is 12 yrs old. They are well into their programs now. www.futurefoundation.org/documents/che_pro_wrk1-2.pdf
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Post by ctbarb on Aug 5, 2011 18:06:23 GMT -5
Thanks Skiz for your additional comments, and yes, Violet, we should all be afraid unfortunately. Within 3 months of having been bitten by this one Arthropod, I was diagnosed with: Diabetes, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia and Irritable Bowel Syndrome! Now, how does a previously healthy woman become THAT ill after only 8 bites from just ONE insect??? That ONE insect was loaded with whatever was cooked up in that mess called Plum Island, directly off the coast of CT! As I've stated in many previous posts, I was bitten at a property that is directly in the migration path for many birds...and this path crosses over Plum Island...this insect survived in a frozen environment...snow, hard frosts of a New England Winter! It should not even have been in its cocoon until Spring. Therefore, the Entomologist deduced that it was dropped from a migrating bird...and so did I. This is an unfortunate coincidence, however, that Arthropod should NOT have existed in the "wild" at that time of year and ready to implant its' powerful load into a human!!! All 8 of the bite sites have produced hundreds if not thousands of IDENTICAL crystals: All triangular in shape, with one serrated side, and with either a black or red dot in the center~ it emitted toxins so powerful that just touching the site where they were erupting through the skin was excruciating...however, once removed from my body, the pain ceased immediately, but only to be followed by more in just a few days..... The medical community just poo-poo'd the crystals and the story and went on their way, leaving me to deal with whatever horror story that would develop. Thanks everyone for all of your hard work...no one else seems to care about us, until they too, get bitten by some 'load bearing' insect as I and others have. Blessings to All, CTBarb
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Post by skizit on Aug 7, 2011 16:27:06 GMT -5
CTbarb, I didn't know that, you didn't have any illnesses at all before that? High blood pressure, upset stomach, anything? A lot of the people I've talked to are overweight, which is a metabolic disease. Does that apply? All the people who died in Joplin had some pre-existing condition. I've been wondering if the viruses, fungi, bacteria are designed to cull the sick out of the population. I don't think they are trying to cure diabetes, they are just trying to cull out the population who have it. Why? because they can.
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Post by bannanny on Aug 8, 2011 12:02:59 GMT -5
Probably so Skiz... and as for alot of people becoming overweight, I've been gaining weight myself and I'm not even sure why. I was always thin and even lost 20 pds when I was first hit with morgs... which left me looking like a POW camper. But I slowly started putting it back on and now I'm up to 136 compared to my norm of 128. I've started back on the treadmill again to try and get back down, but it seems to me that morgs eventually starts putting weight on us... I don't know why tho. It just seems that way to me. Is anyone else having the same problem?
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Post by Lynn on Aug 8, 2011 12:12:44 GMT -5
Hi Skizit and Barb I also was wondering about this. At times I hear folks say just what you are saying and two of them I befriended and over the past two years found they were having symptoms before the bug outbreak or first bug bite. It was that they had sloughed off those symptoms as other things. Which is what I did during the pre-Morgellons stage. I had weird heart things going on, high blood pressure. Sudden loss of weight and terrible stomach problems. Sudden numbness in body parts doing simple task that never effected me before. Like brushing hair, or teeth or driving my car. Also went through stages of sun light being way to bright and slight feeling of having a stroke, but test always came out great as nothing was ever found wrong back then. Then my temperature gauge went hay wired along with my taste buds. Everything tasted too salty. I believe sense salt is one of the things that fights this thing off it was my body's defense mechanism trying to solve the problem by sending loads of salt to the surface area trying to stop it. During the years of the pre-symptoms I did start having some problems with bugs, but so unusual that I easily fluffed it off. Not until the symptoms escalated did the bug problem come and hit like a brick. If I had ignored all my pre-symptoms I would have really believed I got this from a flea bite or spider bite. I bet some had a rather light and or short list of pre-symptoms before getting their first hit from a bug. Either that or the body failed to produce symptoms of fighting something off and the first clue then became the first bite of a bug making it seem bug driven. Then also I do believe if a bug that bite people and I am attracting it and it bites me and carry's the disease to another that one could get this from a bug bite. Boy oh boy does this roller coaster get fun. NOT. BUT if you or someone is attracting a type of bug that will occasionally hit others and they do not get ill. Is it because we had a failed system to begin with while the others in the home did not. I thought for sure at the beginning I was contagious and my second eldest son all his life has been subseptable to mold. He does not have this. My husband who has low testosterone and subseptable to bronchitis I thought he would get this. Not yet for anyone in house for 2 years. Then the grand kids sneak drinks off my water glass even though I make sure they have their own glass. Even cool types of kids drink glasses to make them want to drink out of their own. In Light Lynn
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Post by Lynn on Aug 8, 2011 12:34:31 GMT -5
Hi Bannanny
Me too. I am obese and the weight fell off quick. From 228 down to 170. My weight is suppose to be at 108 lbs. Then the climb. Now at 204 and fighting. I eat more healthy and more restricted then when I was learning what not to eat.
I have noticed that for some reasons when everyone goes through same cycle a month or two later it will hit me but in a mini episode. Like the month everyone talked about the popping. Like millions of things hatching from their sheets or blanket. A couple months later I went through 3 or 4 days of little mini episodes and had more problems with unseen worm like parasite crawling up my nose or into my ears. Would get bogged down in the parasite fungal cream I use on face and ears. Same with the electrical sparks. About six months later I went through a min episode. Wonder why. What slows it down in my house hold to make me go through it last. Is it my fighting technic that slows it down?
I am going through white and black specks coming up out of my mouth. Does not hurt does not make me choke, but when it works its way up out of my throat and onto my tongue or inside cheeks I fish them out. Went to the Doc. who made me take a pee test and it came out clean and put me on Thrush medicine and ear antibiotics. My ears have gotten bad sense running out of Olive Leaf tincture and capsules. The first day of using the ear antibiotics. I felt worms swimming around. Just the first 24 hours. My husband says it only ear hairs. Yeah then why did it stop after the first 24 hours and I spray a shower mix in my ear all the time.
Hey does anyone know why the Thrush Medicine would make me loopy. I can still get all things done, but I have to be careful because I am loopy. Laughing, saying rhymes, singing silly songs, Like I am high. Also a bit off Kelt-er so chores have small mishaps more often then usual. Stopped most of the speck in mouth and have not seen as many specks in pee. I know I do not have thrush. I have none of the symptoms. No redness or white patches, No coated tongue. Just specks mostly white some black and some amber crystals too.
In Light Lynn
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Post by ctbarb on Aug 9, 2011 10:31:39 GMT -5
Hi Skizit, The only health issue I had was pustular psoriasis on the hands and feet. I was in perfect health otherwise and not overweight. However, once the arthropod bit me, I was sicker than I had ever been in my life...with the exception of being paralyzed from the waist down from a running accident when 13...which I did recover from on my own, with my own orthopedic regimen. Thanks for asking though. Also, up until that time, I didn't even have a single blemish on my body! Just some cute sprinkling of freckles across my nose. And I was very fair skinned...platinum blonde hair and blue eyes. Anything would have shown up immediately then and still does. What I do remember immediately (within a month or so of the bite) was the horrendous bloating of my abdomen! It got huge, looked like I was ready to deliver! My doctor was truly alarmed when he first saw me like this...but my weight hadn't changed much, maybe a couple of pounds...they did all kinds of tests to find the reasoning, but nothing showed up. Hope some of this info helps.... Blessings, CTBarb
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