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Post by glennb on Sept 14, 2011 8:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Sept 14, 2011 9:38:26 GMT -5
Thank you Glennb for posting this.
Here's the intro I've copied from the link:
Abstract:
A substantial body of research has accumulated to make the case that the underlying organism (i.e., pathogen) of the so-called "Morgellons" condition, as identified by this researcher, is using the iron from human blood for its own growth and existence.
It will also be shown that the bio-chemical state of the blood is being altered in the process.
The implications of this thesis are severe as this alteration affects, amongst other things, the ability and capacity of the blood to bind to oxygen. Respiration is the source of energy for the body.
This change is also anticipated to increase the number of free radicals and to increase acidity in the body.
This process also requires and consumes energy from the body to take place; this energy supports the growth and proliferation of the organism. The changes in the blood are anticipated to increase its combination with respiratory inhibitors and toxins. The changes under evaluation may occur without any obvious outward symptoms. It is also anticipated that there are consequences upon metabolism and health that extend beyond the functions of the blood. This change represents essentially a systemic attack upon the body, and the difficulties of extinction of the organism are apparent. Physiological conditions that are in probable conjunction with the condition are identified. Strategies that may be beneficial in mitigating the severity of the condition are enumerated. ----------------------------
Lots lots more to read, and I sure agree 100% that (anything that causes extra free radicals in the body) is going to destroy the health of our body faster, and because of the physical constitution of Morgellons free radicals are what we need to protect ourselves as best we can from by what we're using topically and taking internally.
Morgellons, depleting our iron too...so much here to see and learn what's happening, and how.
Thank you Cliff for all the excellent explanations and tests of how this is taking place.
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Post by bannanny on Sept 14, 2011 11:28:56 GMT -5
Excellent article glen (what I could understand of it anyway!) When I saw that one pic of the filamentous iron taken from the gums with red wine, it so reminded me of that one elusive morg strand I was finally able to see about 3 years ago or so. I posted about it saying it looked just like the material in an etch-a-sketch, yet it stayed together in a strand. So now I'm wondering if that particular strand was actually made up of iron, since it did look just like the picture at your link does, which also looks like the material in an etch-a-sketch!
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Post by toni on Sept 14, 2011 12:26:48 GMT -5
Bannanny, Maybe in "one" aspect of this process, if one looks at it like this it might help "give a visual" better too. Picture a cast iron skillet, a brand new one. Now it gets exposed to salt water or just tap water out of the faucet because that has all kinds of cholorine and chems in it that also have oxidizing factors - which will increase the cast iron skillet's oxidation factor. We can see that easily on an iron skillet because where it's now oxidizing becomes an orangey reddish color - "rust". That's how "certain" oxidizing chemicals or foods we eat do too when it reacts with the (Morgs organism). It then produces "entities" possibly that are "like" how the rust forms. Not that we're producing rust, but no differently than how rust forms from an iron skillet "when water meets it that has oxidizing chemicals in it, then the rust happens".... but we form particulates when we begin to "oxidize".... which in our body becomes free radicals, detrimental to our health, because free radicals latch onto our healthy cells and kill them or at the very least create more of an environment for it to really take off and spread/grow. Being that we're infected with "the morgellons organism" we have the potential to slow it, or speed up the infection (because of what we eat or don't eat, or use topically or not). So the more acidic we are, the more the body feels ill. The more we're oxidizing (induced by free radical solutions topically or chems in foods) the more we produce "entities or particulates". (possibly) but it sure seems that way imho too. Or, and this really describes atoms and electons exchanging, and how basically, when one "thing meets another" then all the matrix or structure or composition then changes then from what the two "things" were to begin with - it now ends up as something entirely different and possibly with different capabilites too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_reaction
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Post by headbee on Sept 14, 2011 13:24:42 GMT -5
This week I came crashing down and having trouble functioing, this explains exactly what I am dealing with: 8.3 Hemoglobin - should be 11.5-15. PH 6.0 should be 7.0 or higher. Doctor is so concerned with Iron level he wants me to have a blood transfusion and checking to see if my grown sons are candidates for donation. I dont have them all but here is a list of symptoms of low iron: * Depression * Fatigue * Listlessness, weakness, decreased work productivity * Impaired learning and cognitive function * ADD and ADHD type behavioral disturbances * Developmental delay in infants and young children * Poor memory * Decreased attention span and increased distractibility * Impaired reactivity and coordination * Irritability * Dizziness * Appetite loss * Cravings for non foods such as ice, dirt or clay * Constipation * Difficulty swallowing (because low iron may cause a thin membrane to grow across the esophagus) * Joint soreness * Night time leg cramps * Asthma * Sores on skin, or itching * Poor wound healing * Can cause excessive menstrual bleeding * Hair loss (LOW IRON IS A FREQUENTLY OVERLOOKED CAUSE OF HAIR LOSS) * Headaches * Sore or burning tongue * Soreness in corners of the mouth * Brittle, flat, or spoon shaped nails * Longitudinal ridges on nails * Heart palpitations on exertion * Shortness of breath * Cold extremities, with decreased resistance to cold and poor regulation of body temperature * Tendency to recurrent infections * Chronic bladder infections * Anemia (hypo chromic, microcytic) paleness, weakness, drowsiness, fatigue * Numbness & tingling * Night sweats * Fragile bones * Growth impairment in children * Eye soreness * Vague gastrointestinal symptoms: belching, gas, nausea * Vitiligo (light blotches on the skin) * Swelling in the ankles * Bluish tint to the whites of the eyes * Visual disturbances * Papilledema (swelling inside the eye)
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 14, 2011 16:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by headbee on Sept 14, 2011 17:04:32 GMT -5
I concur and want to nix on the blood transfusion idea and working with the Dr to see what else may can try, I have been on B-12 and all the other trace minerals for more than 6 months. Now looking at taking Quinton or some other plasma replacement. Seems like the more supplements I take, just keep adding more as they are not absorbing or getting eaten as fast as they enter my system. Getting very frustrating.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 14, 2011 18:45:09 GMT -5
The kidneys are first in line to address in anemia, then bone marrow. You may want to do all the investigations possible on the kidneys connection to your bone marrow. I had a dark field microcope check my blood and the red cells were misshappen, also I do have kidney problems. The woman doing the test asked if I had had malaria, not that was ever diagnosed but I did have some awful times in Korea with unexplain illness. I used DMSO up and down the spine at one time, this improved alot of my issues and also set off like a electric storm in my back, after awhile of doing the DMSO on the spine the electirc storm stopped. Actually it was a very nice feeling, one of the little rewards for having morgellons. LOL . I have a funny idea the reason for this was because of the invasion in the spinal collum. Good luck. www.emedicinehealth.com/anemia/article_em.htm
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Post by glennb on Sept 14, 2011 19:58:13 GMT -5
I am confused. If iron helps Morgellons to grow then it should be avoided as much as possible? OIr since Morgellons is eating up all the iron we need extra iron? Or does this just speed up the growth of Morgerllons? Sounds like we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
I have had many of the symptoms for iron defiency for years, shortness of breath, low energy, skin sores, trouble concentrating, reduced kidney function, sore joints, cold extremities but I have not shown up as iron defiecient in any blood tests.
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Post by headbee on Sept 14, 2011 20:42:39 GMT -5
They are concerned it will cause a heart attack if don't do something, see my post/question: Blood or Iron Transfusion, is it a good idea. I just know can't continue like this, more of a problem with women that TOM still visits as we loose blood every month on top of having it depleted by this disease. Major pain in legs, tightness in chest, can't stop drinking tea, dizzy ...... To answer Baraka, in 2002 I had an anurism in my Kidney and think that was the 1st real symptom I had, 1st lesion was Sept 2006 but took until Oct 2009 to figure it out and been downhill ever since. Interesting thing is the fibers are now barely present and that may be why - I starved them to death. But like someone responded to my prev post, Patrick Swayze tried to starve the cancer but did not do any good. We have spent 30k so far. Have wonderful husband who is in this fight with me. If thinks it will kill it, we have tried/spent it! Has anyone tried Quinton Marine Plasma???
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 14, 2011 20:46:16 GMT -5
Glen B nobody has proved what morgellons is yet, actually we may all have colons in horrible shape and have malabsorbtion.
Actually malabsogtion is my guess at lack of nutriants.
How can they say what morgellons is or does if they do not even know what it is, or how it functions, what came first the chicken or the egg.
If someone told me water was the cause of Morgellons would I do better avoiding it or drinking.
People that talk of positives in the disease sequence well, I think they are kinda guessing.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 14, 2011 21:00:42 GMT -5
Headbee did they make you drink the metal drink before you fixed the anurism often that garbage kills or damages the kidneys its moocho bad medicine.
I know of two people with kidney failure after using it, one is a young man that went in for a checkup, now he is dying.
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Post by itchin4answers on Sept 14, 2011 21:05:46 GMT -5
This is not good headbee, I wish I could help. I have read some things on blood transfusions as my Gran has had many. She tolerated them extremely well, though her blood type is O and O blood types can take any blood & seem to tolerate well. We are all different so the decision for you is a hard one. I did read that one does risk getting an infection from a blood transfusion. The infection didn't effect the person the blood came from but becomes active once it was transfused. I found a symptom list on Wikipedia for anaemia. The symptoms from the list above & this one all seem to be symptoms that over lap with other diseases (yet again). I was found to have anaemia in 2006, the doctor didn't investigate further as to why, she told me to take ferrous sulphate. I did & the stuff made me ill & put me in bed. I didn't know at the time but I was pregnant, would have been about 8 weeks. So I had morning sickness & the iron supplement making me totally ill. So I never got an explanation for my anaemia. My son he developed anaemia before he was 2yrs. This is when he was in foster care. The boy little guy lost weight & then the government wanted blood tests & they found him to be anaemic. Cruel people won't test my boy these days saying blood tests are intrusive for children, I agree. When it's for the government to tick the boxes they don't mind that mummy, daddy & 2 nurses have to hold down a screaming little bub. No one heard of a sedative. Anyway, sorry to go off track there. Here's that symptom list & Headbee I hope they can help you asap, take care. Love itchin Other symptoms and signs of iron deficiency anemia include: Anxiety often resulting in OCD type compulsions and obsessions Irritability or a low feeling Angina Constipation Sleepiness Tinnitus Mouth ulcers Palpitations Hair loss Fainting or feeling faint Depression Breathlessness on exertion. Twitching muscles Tingling, numbness, or burning sensations Missed menstrual cycle Heavy menstrual period Slow social development Glossitis (inflammation or infection of the tongue) Angular cheilitis (inflammatory lesions at the mouth's corners) Koilonychia (spoon-shaped nails) or nails that are weak or brittle Poor appetite Pruritus (Itchiness) Dysphagia due to formation of esophageal webs (Plummer-vinson syndrome). Restless Legs Syndrome[6 The diagnosis of iron deficiency anemia requires further investigation as to its cause. Iron deficiency can be caused by increased iron demand or decreased iron intake,[7] and can occur in both children and adults. The most important cause of iron deficiency world-wide is infestation with parasitic worms (hookworms, whipworms, roundworms). Estimates of infection in the world population vary from a minimum of a billion humans to as many as 5 billion out of a total of 6 billion.[2] In addition to parasitosis, dietary insufficiency, malabsorption, chronic blood loss, diversion of iron to fetal erythropoiesis during pregnancy, intravascular hemolysis and hemoglobinuria or other forms of chronic blood loss should all be considered, according to the patient's sex, age, and history. Other common causes include gastrointestinal blood loss due to drug therapy (often in the case of NSAIDs or aspirin), and hypochlorhydria/achlorhydria (often due to long-term proton pump inhibitor therapy). In babies and adolescents, rapid growth may outpace dietary intake of iron, and result in deficiency without disease or grossly abnormal diet.[7] Especially in adults over the age of 50, iron deficiency is often a sign of other disease in the gastrointestinal tract, such as chronic bleeding from any cause (for example, a colon cancer) that causes loss of blood in the stool. Such loss is often undetectable, except with special testing. In adults, 60% of patients with iron deficiency anemia have underlying gastrointestinal disorders leading to chronic blood loss, and this percentage increases with patient age. Particularly, iron deficiency in adult men from purely dietary causes is quite rare, and in such cases, other causes of iron loss must be vigorously sought until found. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_deficiency_anemia
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Post by Lynn on Sept 15, 2011 12:18:54 GMT -5
Hi Glennb
You are so right that we are dammed if we do or dammed if we don't. I would rather have the iron to prevent other life and death problems and find a way to kill the Morgellons while trying to keep up my health with the right combo of vitamins, herbs, and minerals.
Stupid disease makes it so hard to know which way to turn. I will be so glad when we can all start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
In Light Lynn
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Post by bb on Sept 15, 2011 14:28:00 GMT -5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 15, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
Chelated iron is easier to be absorbed, some people have problems absorbing anything because of colon problems.
Here is something to imagine, It seems that either women are more afflicted by this disease, male partners show no real outward signs of the affliction.
If some researcher says that IRON is what spurs it on why aren't men the ones so disposed to this disease when men are always up in their iron and women are always DOWN, just a thought.
Ideas abound but it seems they do not have concrete answers.
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Post by glennb on Sept 15, 2011 21:56:55 GMT -5
Baraka,
I do not agree that we do not yet know what Morgellons is. We may not know all that it is but enough is known to tell the difference between having bad colons and a malabsorbation problem or Morgellons. Consistent changes in the blood, consistent and unique findings of what is in the skin or coming out of the skin in those that are experiencing basically the same symptoms clearly shows that Morgellons is a unique, identifiable and diagnosable disease and not to be mistaken for simple colon or malabsorbation problems.
The CDC may not have put their blessing on all this yet but if you study the research findings from those researchers who are the most respected and well knows in this area there is plenty of scientifically acquired evidence that points to Morgellons being a real and unique infection with very serious health implications. There is also a ton of condemning evidence that points to Morgellons being deliberately spread in chemtrails with many aspects of it artificially created from very advanced bio-weapon technology Morgellons is exhibiting qualities that have never been seen before with human infectious agents.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 16, 2011 1:45:53 GMT -5
GlenB Your talking as though I have said there is no morgellons disease that I have been dealing with for 39 years now.
Headbee was talking about her anemia, the items I told her about such as malabsobtion have nothing to do with what I imagine morgellons is or is not, it has to do with her TRYING EVERYTHING BEFORE GETTING BLOOD FROM ANYONE.
Transfusions are the top most deadly form of human contact, they can kill and quickley as blood is not checked for everything, in fact it is checked for very little. Most of the blood in these banks come from people that sell blood for money, drug addicts, street, third world immigrants, you name it they have it.
I did not say there is no proof we have a disease, I say there is no proof of what the disease is or its process.
If the disease is fueled by the workings of the, for the most part hidden lesion/tumors as they grow and spew more into our system as we get worse, does the pathogen control our organs and hormones. Do they have a part in forming the fibers, is it the fact that we are immune system compromised, Is it a fact that the tumors make a fluid the resembles our hormones, does the disease form in our spine and ride along with T cells to compromised areas,(this is not uncommon by the way) Does the invader couple with other disease and act simbiotic with them. Does this disease invade our DNA and couple with it, does it couple with other DNA and make superstrain disease. These are just very simple questions
I am sure you could add a few questions, in fact we can all add questions, some would be quite excellent questions then others would be completly off track.
Throughtout time it is not usually the person yelling the loudest that is right, it is usually a quiet man that is right but he is never heard in his time, usually because the idiots are piled high screaming him/her down.
If someone knows the workings they sure are not stepping forward to show us the answers, they will not even step forward to tell us we are not all Lunitics.
I got the itching fiber disease in 1972, I watched my body as it changed, I watched as this disease spread in the population, mapped by my own issues, these were not in the population then I LOOKED.
I did see some of the problems at first, They were only on the elderley. Then once I did see this on a gay man years before I went in the military. I was probably 14 or so and traveling on a freight train we stopped in Boston to change trains, my friends dad was a conducter and we got to ride for free, any way when we got off there was a child molester type that came to sit near us, he spoke in a gay tone, you know like I am more woman than you are sort of thing. His shirt was open and he was picking at himself in the middle of his chest, it was pretty knarley, but one thing stood out very clearly WHITE right in the middle of his chest it was that white plastic looking stuff. This same area on my chest had these same issues. This is a long term disease and it is hidden for the most part as it advances.
I know I lived this disease since I was 18.
There is but a few questions in my mind, they are, did I pick up extra issues as time went on, was I subjected to a new and more prolific part of the itching fiber disease or an all together different disease or disease's.
I am no school boy and have had alot of companions in my life.
This form of living subjects one to all kinds of pathogens, with the multipication factor involved, my disease load could be multiplied by my contact and my contacts contacts could easily be in the numbers of 100,000 but most likely could go way higher.
They say if you sleep with one person you sleep with everyone they have slept with, and everyone they have slept with, you get the idea, this is what they say.
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Post by toni on Sept 16, 2011 9:05:58 GMT -5
I've copied this first portion of Carnicom's comments, because I believe it to be very important.
Even though "no one knows what Morgs is"...by tests done here it can be seen what it's doing under particular circumstances.
From link/article: Note: I am not offering any medical advice or diagnosis with the presentation of this information. I am acting solely as an independent researcher providing the results of extended observation and analysis of unusual biological conditions that are evident. Each individual must work with their own health professional to establish any appropriate course of action and any health related comments in this paper are solely for informational purposes and they are from my own perspective.
Abstract:
A substantial body of research has accumulated to make the case that the underlying organism (i.e., pathogen) of the so-called "Morgellons" condition, as identified by this researcher, is using the iron from human blood for its own growth and existence. It will also be shown that the bio-chemical state of the blood is being altered in the process. The implications of this thesis are severe as this alteration affects, amongst other things, the ability and capacity of the blood to bind to oxygen. Respiration is the source of energy for the body.
This change is also anticipated to increase the number of free radicals and to increase acidity in the body. This process also requires and consumes energy from the body to take place; this energy supports the growth and proliferation of the organism. The changes in the blood are anticipated to increase its combination with respiratory inhibitors and toxins. The changes under evaluation may occur without any obvious outward symptoms. It is also anticipated that there are consequences upon metabolism and health that extend beyond the functions of the blood. This change represents essentially a systemic attack upon the body, and the difficulties of extinction of the organism are apparent. Physiological conditions that are in probable conjunction with the condition are identified. Strategies that may be beneficial in mitigating the severity of the condition are enumerated.
A Brief Introduction to the Chemisty of Iron:
Let us start with an introduction to iron. Iron exists in three primary forms in nature, the first in its elemental form with no net charge, and the other two as compounds, known as ferrous and ferric compounds. It is these latter two states of iron that will be of interest to us in terms of human biochemistry.
Ferrous compounds involve iron in a charged state, known as Fe2+, and ferric compounds involve iron in the valence state of 3, or Fe+3. The term valence refers to the number of electrons lost or gained in a chemical reaction. For example, a loss of two electrons from an atom will leave the atom in a charged state of +2. A charged atom or compound is called an ion or ionic compound, respectively.
Why is this important to us and why should we learn about the chemistry of iron? It is because iron is in our bodies and it is absolutely crucial to our lives and our health. The charged state of the iron in our bodies and our blood is of the utmost importance in understanding the changes to human health that are occurring.
Now let us start focusing upon the iron in blood. Your blood needs iron to function. Not only does your blood need iron to function but it needs the iron to be in a particular state for your blood to work properly. The iron in your blood must be in the ferrous form, or the Fe2+ in order to bind to oxygen1,2,3,4,5. If it is not in this state (e.g, ferric iron or Fe3+), it will not bind to oxygen and human health will suffer. You are not thriving in an energetic sense if you do not have the proper oxygen content within your blood.
Hopefully we understand that the state of the iron in our bodies is not a trivial affair and it is in our interest to become educated on the matter. It is the very path that I have chosen in this research and the implications of these studies are profound.
Now let us talk, in a general sense, about what causes iron to change state. What for example, would cause iron in the elemental form (Fe) to go to the Fe2+ (charged) state, or for that matter, from the Fe2+ state to the Fe3+ (further charged) state? It is here that we introduce and explain the term of oxidation. As a familiar example, when something rusts, it is being oxidized. What it means, in a more descriptive sense, is that a chemical reaction is taking place and that electrons are being removed from an atom or substance. Formally speaking, oxidation refers to the process of losing electrons. Oxidation increases the charge state of the atom or ion, because as an electron (i.e, negative charge) is removed, the atom, ion or substance becomes more positive as a result. A typical example of oxidation is the change of iron from the Fe2+ state (i.e, ferrous) to the Fe3+ (i.e., ferric) state mentioned above.
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And from how I'm reading this, it appears that Carnicom isn't saying anything negative about (Iron) he's just stating what "peroxide and sodium hydroxide - or ROS which are *reactive oxygen species* do to the electron exchanges in regards to the present iron in our bodies. (which maybe why we're seeing a change in our iron) or rather....deficient because of Morgs.
This imho, helps us see why "ROS's" are not the same as oxygen completely, because these things like an example, peroxide or sodium hydroxide, which are a ROS because that because when they're used they're then an induced oxidant/oxidizer, and will then change the structure of the iron in our blood and we'll see that by becoming anemic.
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Post by bannanny on Sept 16, 2011 11:53:05 GMT -5
Praying for God to light the way for both you and your docs headbee...
I love you ~~ bannanny
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