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Post by Harry on Oct 11, 2011 11:56:26 GMT -5
Toni!, thanks for the work you've done, one of the links I put up said the splicing they did after the fact infected other non MGO plants and Nematodes, I hope you'll forgive me if I don't have it in order, got a bad flu & feel like flying away to a warmer climate, but in short they not only changed plant's but nematodes & anything in the soil that's round these things, Toni like I said I feel like poop for 3 days & the doctor said it will be a week more, any way think I got it all in? maybe, Gorden said this F-6 kills nematodes also, if it dose or not I can't use this till I'm better, & I omly had 5 treatments as well, sorry I'm totally gone, good day all hugs >>>>>>>oh! yeah Toni it also states in all in the food chain, in the water system as they found cellulose and or fibrous material in shower heads.
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Post by xiblanque on Oct 11, 2011 12:25:31 GMT -5
Hello All, I'm very interested in the content of this thread, especially Toni's recent findings. I really believe in the effectiveness of enzymes. Kleen Green and others were the first real relief I ever found for many of the topical symptoms. F5 and F6 or restore is out of my financial reach for the most part however. I would love to find out about Toni's alternative. Incidently, Kleen Green sells a gallon (for $65) of their concentrate that dilutes down to 8 gallons for topical use. The home brew recipe (which many have taken internally) is even cheaper. I have made 3 gallons of the concentrate (over 24 gallons of diluted topical spray) for around $10. It is hard for me to verify which enzymes are actually in the mix I've made but I believe it is protease, cellulase, chitinase and others. I was buying and shipping KG gallon concentrates to N.Z. and to England for friends in need. The recipe to make it one's self is so simple, but it takes 2 - 3 months for the fermentation process. Here is a page from my blog with more info on enzymes. morgellonsaid.wordpress.com/topical-treatments-2/enzymes-skin/EnzymesCertain enzymes are very useful topically in curbing the Morgellons symptoms. Protease, cellulase, papain and chitinase especially seem effective in breaking down cellulose and chitin. Cellulose is a product that results from fungal overgrowth and chitin is the material that arthropods produce in their exoskeletons.It is also the material some fungi use in their cell walls instead of cellulose. The enzymes stop the growth process of these materials. Enzyme products come in ready to use and concentrated forms. The concentrated enzymes are much more economical. Some brands that are effective: Kleen Green Eco-vie Bug Arrest Digest Plus (not to be used on person) Out! Follow the link above to active links to suppliers. Using Enzymes in The BathThese products are available in a ready to use dilution or a concentrated form that must be diluted. Of course the concentrates are more economical as they dilute down to a 1:7 ratio. Enzymes may be added to bath treatments at about 4 oz - 8 oz depending on whether it is a small amount of water or a very full tub. I have found that adding a cup of Baking soda and a cup of vinegar along with 10 - 20 drops of Thieves' Oil or your favorite essential oil makes for a very effective skin treatment. After bathing it is better to air dry one's self then with a spray bottle apply a light misting of diluted enzymes to the skin and allow this to also air dry. Read more at morgellonsaid.wordpress.com/topical-treatments-2/bath-skin-treatment/. Enzyme TopicallyThis treatment is one that provides immediate relief of Morgellons symptoms such as itching, crawling and "biting" sensations. It is one of the best weapons in one's arsenal against Morgellons. I have used this treatment on those nights ( a memory for me now) when I felt as if I had laid down in a bed of fire ants. Enzymes are so effective on insects that they can be sprayed on roaches, flies and ants with immediate results. I have also used enzymes applied to small outbreaks and lesions to stop them from spreading and to aid in healing. To use enzymes in a spray bottle I recommend a larger spray bottle for general use and a small personal size one to keep by the bedside for night-time or for when traveling. Nothing stops the stinging sensation quite so quickly as enzymes. This treatment should become very valuable when one first starts treating Morgellons symptoms.\ Spray Bottle MethodSimply fill a clean 32 oz spray bottle with 4 oz of Enzymes and fill with clean filtered water. The ratio is 1 part enzyme to 7 parts water. This is the reason that an "expensive" gallon of concentrated enzyme is much more cost-effective than the ready to use dilutions being sold. The one gallon concentrate will dilute down to over eight gallons. Warning: Using enzymes to treat "mysterious biting mites" and other pathogens including fungi is an excellent treatment. However, enzymes are produced by a non-pathogenic bacteria and are safe when applied to clean unbroken skin. Do not use in eyes or open, weeping lesions. However it is excellent in bad Morgie's ears and around the nostril. For Your EnvironmentThese dilutions of enzymes in spray bottles are excellent to use on bedding, furniture, in cars, on floorboards and walls and just about anyplace that seems to harbor these pathogens. Enzyme RecipesThere are easy to do recipes for the home fermentation of enzymes. These are highly recommended as the price to produce is 120 times less per gallon than the ready to use enzymes. The only draw back is the time involved in fermenting which is 2 to 3 months. Baker's Yeast or Brewers yeast can be added to speed up the fermentation time. I recommend a 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. This may cause the need to release the built up gases from the mixture on an as needed basis (1-3 times per day for the first week or two) while active fermentation is taking place. Do not use until the fermentation process in the enzyme liquid has been completed. No more off-gassing and no more froth/bubbles on the surface. The liquid will not be sweet and should become somewhat clear. You must wait until the sugars are metabolized completely and sediment in the solution will clear. Home-made Enzyme RecipeI use the half cube 2 & 1/2 gallon water containers with wide lids on top and a smaller lid on the side for the spigot. I also suggest using botanical material in this mix. Oranges, limes, lemons and apples. Adding peelings from papaya fruit would be an excellent choice for the papain. Organic pineapple is another good choice with the bromalain. Chopped fresh herbs such as oregano or basil and other medicinal herbs with antimicrobial and antiseptic qualities would also be beneficial including herbal teas and blends. Eucalyptus leaves or Echinacea flowers are more great choices. Even bits of cinnamon sticks would be medicinal. Materials & Ingredients
Large 2 & 1/2 Gallon water container Large novelty punch balloon 2 - 4 lbs fruit ( see above recommendations) 1/4 lb of Herbs or other botanicals (see above recommendations) 16 oz of Raw Honey (preferably Manuka honey) or 32 oz raw sugar 1 packet brewers or bakers yeast 2 gallons of filtered water Directions Wash and air dry the 2 1/2 gallon container. Unscrew the small spigot and save for later use. Attach large punch ball balloon over the small spigot hole. Unscrew the larger 4 inch lid on the side. Wash and clean all fruits and finely chop along with other botanicals. Put a 2 inch layer of fruit and herbs in container. Cover this layer with honey or sugar (maybe a half-inch of sugar and less of honey). Repeat this process until out of fruit or until container is half full. Add two gallons of filtered water. Leave at least 6 inches of air in the container. Add 1/2 teaspoon of yeast to speed up fermentation time. Put large lid back on and shake to wet down all ingredients. Water should cover all ingredients. The balloon is now the top of the container. Set aside and check daily for the first two weeks. The fermentation will result in gasses that may need to be bled off. Tilt container away from large lid and carefully unscrew to vent. Once the sediment has cleared and there are no bubbles the enzymes are ready. This may be as short as one month but may be as long as two months. Use cheesecloth to strain and rebottle. No refrigeration needed. Dilute 1:7 with water before using. Or add 4 oz to bath undiluted. NOTE: Use a 3-1 ratio. This means 3 parts fruit to 1 part sugar or Manuka honey if available. ConsumptionDrink the enzyme an hour prior to eating to stimulate your nerves and promote blood circulation by placing a tablespoon of the enzyme under your tongue and swallowing. I strongly suggest starting a batch of enzymes when you first order a commercially prepared enzymes. Your batch will be complete about the time you run out of the enzymes you've bought. For as little as $8 dollars and 20 minutes (plus fermentation time) I have produced 3 gallons of concentrated (25 diluted gallons) of enzymes. It is very simple to do. Homemade Body Spray from another Morgie I have used this recipe in a pinch, when out of enzymes or waiting for an online purchase to be delivered. It is effective enough and easy to make. It involves many of the ingredients that you should have in stock in your cupboard. 1 cup hydrogen peroxide (3% household variety) 1/ 8 cup salt (table salt or espom salt) 1 cup Borax 2c hot water (optional substitute one cup of water with vinegar) A few drops of Essential Oil (optional but helpful... especially Lavander or Peppermint) Add all ingredients to an empty one quart spray bottle. Shake and let Borax and salt dissolve. Shake often. Works for fleas, animal mange, mites, Lyme Disease. I have substituted vinegar for one of the cups of hot water before also. Spray on skin and amd allow to air dry up to three times a day. For the cleaning the house I sometimes add essential oil of teatree, eucalyptus, etc. Wolfe/Xiblanque
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Post by Harry on Oct 11, 2011 13:17:39 GMT -5
hey Xib good to see you round with good information thank you, Doc Holliday
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Post by toni on Oct 11, 2011 16:05:23 GMT -5
Hi Harry, I read your post and I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. You know, honey is a good enzyme too, and maybe if you can drink some hot tea with honey, that might help you feel better. Not that this is for Morgellons, but, it can help you feel better possibly, well, I hope it does anyways. Now and then I get headaches that even my Excedrins won't rid, and they're really bad, but the hot tea and honey sure take them down several knotches. Also an antihistamine helps too. I think because it slows down the release of histamine which the body releases trying to protect itself from this scurge. And thank you for the info too. Take care.
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Post by toni on Oct 11, 2011 16:16:25 GMT -5
Hi Xib, Yes, that's very good info too. I think implementing also things like the cellulases (like in Gordon's product) the F-6, and per the articles I posted on the first page, can help us see how these "cellulose degraders" might really work to our benefit. I want to take the Swanson's supplements to see what happens attacking this from the inside outwards. It's basically what F-6 has in it, (the supplements) to degrade and break up cellulose. I'll even try the supplements mixed into a paste and apply that topically and keep you all posted on how that goes. I take and have for many years before Morgs, taken Bromelain and Papaya supplements. I've even got Allanzyme (scripted) papaya topical enzyme cream, but... so far that never worked, it really irritated my skin and made my lesions worse. I've found that using things that neutralize work best for mine. I know we've all got similar yet varied symptoms, and well, as long as it's safe and good healthy stuff, it seems like it should be okay.
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Post by Harry on Oct 12, 2011 9:14:38 GMT -5
why..........you are a Darlen Toni, thank you so much for the thought Mate, it seems Xib. got on the wrong train you can't compare Apples to Oranges surely, he does have a good no nonsense site that helps people, but the issue is the product in question as the maker states this product breaks down plant matter, kills nematodes, when spayed on for two days using 1 & 1/4 teaspoons it also gets into the blood to work from the inside as well as the out side as the maker states, I did send Skiz a message to also get help from her, I do hope she reply's, & yes I am still with Flu but board out of my mind, thank you all in your caring, God Bless ...Xib please let us all know how that works out, I'm very curious thank you my friend
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Post by Lynn on Oct 12, 2011 9:32:22 GMT -5
Hi Harry
Sorry you are under the weather. Hope you get well quick.
In Light Lynn
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Post by Harry on Oct 12, 2011 9:54:13 GMT -5
Hi Harry Sorry you are under the weather. Hope you get well quick. In Light Lynn thank you very much Lynn, the Doctor said 2 days ago it will be a week or more, so we shall see thanks for the touhgt
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Post by lydski on Oct 13, 2011 13:15:09 GMT -5
Thank you Toni~~~You are so gooood.... I am ordering the Swanson supplements too.
Xib~ thank you too for the very good info.
My scalp looks like I have a BAD case of cradle cap. Under that are the tumors covered with thick thick material (callus) (sp)? It is impossible for me to "pick off". UGHHHH
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Post by lydski on Oct 13, 2011 13:18:06 GMT -5
OHHH almost forgot .............Harry~Thank You too. You're always so helpful and thoughtful. I hope you feel better soon..
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Post by xiblanque on Oct 13, 2011 13:35:51 GMT -5
Regardless of where you buy enzymes from or if you realize how easy and inexpensive they are to produce, here is some great information about enzymes. Xib www.microtack.com/html/enzyme3.htmlpsasir.upm.edu.my/4920/1/FBSB_2007_22.pdfWhere Do Enzymes Come From?Enzymes have been isolated from every type of living organism. Many of these biological catalysts are significant only from an academic or medical standpoint, but some of the available enzyme from this vast repertoire have been utilized for agricultural and industrial purposes for years. The table below lists several of the industrially on sequential enzymes and their sources in nature. It is significant to note that animals plants and microorganisms all yield industrially important enzymes. Some enzymes of animal or plant origin have been used in agricultural applications; however, those enzymes most broadly used are of microbial origin. Source of EnzymePLANTMalted grains or tubers AmylasePineapple Bromelin (Protease)Fig Tree Ficin (Protease)Papaya Papain (Protease)ANIMALLiver Catalase (Peroxide Breakdown) Calf Stomach Rennet/ Chymosin (Milk Clotting) Hog Stomach Pepsin (Protease)Hog Pancreas Pancreatic Enzymes (Several) Digestive Tract Trypain (Protease) MICROBIALFungi (Molds and Yeast) amylase, beta glucanase, hemicellulase, protease, cellulase, pectinase, lipase, (many types of each), lactaseBACTERIAAmylase, protease, isomerase, lactase (many types of each), rennet, oxidase, catalase, beta-glucanase, hemicellulase.*While enzymes for diagnostic or medical purposes are most important for the benefit of thousands of patients yearly, their discussion is beyond the scope of this article. One encounters many digestive or hydrolyzing enzymes in the digestive tract of human and other animals. These biological catalysts are necessary for the full utilization of foods ingested. Microorganisms, many being as small as 1/10,000th of an inch in length, are much too minute to have complicated digestive systems as animals do. Therefore, these microbes must predigest their potential foods outside of their cell boundaries so that they can absorb the very small nutrient compounds of predigested foods. In order to predigest the potential food sources outside their cell boundaries, many microbes excrete enzymes out through their enveloping membrane with its supportive cell wall and into the surrounding environment. Since these "extra-cellular enzymes" must function in the environment outside the protection of the cell's wall and membrane, they must be reasonably stable and have relatively high resistance to chemicals and must function over a relatively broad temperature range. To realize the effects of the enzymes they produce, microorganisms also must produce relatively large quantities of these catalysts. All of these factors contribute to the industrial significance and durability of extra-cellular microbial enzymes. It should be noted that most of the agriculturally and industrial important enzymes, are those that catalyze the digestion or "hydrolysis" of certain large organic molecules like starch, cellulose, and protein. The enzymes actually attack these complex molecules, accelerating their digestion and yielding simpler substances. Since this process of digestion is referred to as hydrolysis, the enzymes that catalyze the process are considered to be "hydrolyzing enzymes" or "hydrolases". The hydrolyzing enzymes include:
(1) Amylases, which catalyze the digestion of starch into small segments of multiple sugars and into individual soluble sugars.
(2) Proteases, (or proteinase), which split up proteins into their component amino acid building blocks.
(3) Lipase, which split up animal and vegetable fats and oils into their component part: glycerol and fatty acids.
(4) Cellulase (of various types) which breaks down the complex molecule of cellulose into more digestible components of single and multiple sugars.
(5) Beta-glucanase, (or gumase) which digest one type of vegetable gum into sugars and / or dextrins.
(6)Pectinase, which digests pectin and similar carbohydrates of plant origin.
Chitinase, dissolves and cleaves chitin at the joints of arthropod exoskeletons (as a mechanism for molting when the insect is ready to shed it's old exoskeleton and grow/harden the new one. Dissolves chitin in fungal cell walls.applying a chitin dissolving enzyme to arthropods causes the exoskeleton to split apart at the seams PREMATURELY/INSTANTANEOUSLY resulting in instant death for the bug.
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Post by toni on Oct 13, 2011 13:47:36 GMT -5
Thank you Toni~~~You are so gooood.... I am ordering the Swanson supplements too. Xib~ thank you too for the very good info. My scalp looks like I have a BAD case of cradle cap. Under that are the tumors covered with thick thick material (callus) (sp)? It is impossible for me to "pick off". UGHHHH Hi Lydski, Something you've said here reminds me so much of what I had one time going on (way before I knew even the word Morgellons). I'd had a cosmetic surgery, and four days later had to go back for a checkup/followup to the doc's office. I had this "clearish like golden hard as plastic" seal over my incisions. The doctor was like (huh? what's this)? Well, I thought it was just serous fluid, that clearish yellow golden fluid that comes out of the skin when it's abraded, you know if you've ever scuffed your knee, it gets that watery like stuff that sort of seals the wound? Well, that's serous fluid. But, it wasn't that, not serous fluid. It was hard, and so hard you could actually tap your nails on it, like a table top. And sort of transparent golden colored. Is that like what you have on your scalp? By the way you described it, it rang bells with me from my experience with it. Anyways, the doctor was totally puzzled, and said I needed to wash it off, because the stitches needed to get air as this golden hard stuff coated them, because it came out of my skin from the skin being cut. I told him I've washed it gently with cotton balls but it won't come off. I mean it was like it was almost waterproof. He told me to stand under the shower (warm to real warm water) and get a super soft toothbrush just for that, and gently scrub as the warm/almost hot water made it get real gooey after a while in the shower. That worked. I had to scrub that "crust" that was literally sealing those sutures, but it sure took awhile, and finally it all came off. Years later, I realized (I had Morgellons) and that "golden'y" hard stuff still will come out of my skin where I've had an itchy spot. It's now like tiny hard like golden crystals, about the size of salt granules. So, that tells me "it's still there", just not in the copious amounts it was before.
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Post by Harry on Oct 13, 2011 13:57:44 GMT -5
Xib. could you be so helpful to lat us know about these enzymes in the amounts given please what the make up of F-6 is >>> A proprietary blend of all natural ingredients grown using 100% organic methods. Cellulase..................5000 CU/GM Hemicellulase.............400,000 HCU/GM Glucose Oxidase..........1,500 AG/GM Xylanase....................150,000/GM Note: so many of us don't have the well being as to get all the Ingredients then break it all down ferment & so on, ...sounds like we need to be a Scientist of sort, I appreciate your help surly, but so many are so sick to do such things, the other thing is it the same as F-6 in the same amounts this is my question, if you can answer this as simply as possible I would thank you, most of us are not Scientist or Chemists that we would understand what your saying or have the memory to read & remember all of what you are putting forth. with respect Harry, ..just a layperson
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Post by toni on Oct 13, 2011 14:18:36 GMT -5
Excellent info Xib. Yes, see how cellulase "breaks apart cellulose molecules. We don't have those kinds of enzymes in our body. That is probably why the F-6 many are finding helpful, imho. I don't know how many have tried antifungals, which are specifically developed to penetrate the cell wall of fungus, as that's what kills fungi, but I've sure had my share of them (topically and internally). Ketoconazole, Itraconazole, Fluconazole, oh...and there's more. These were taken internally. Topically, I've used them all, plus "enzymes called Allanzyme, and seriously, I could write a list here from A-Z of every anti fungal I believe there is (I've used it) be it scripted or over the counter. I'm only expressing "my experiences" and maybe someone else can relate. This is my reasoning now for "just" going for the "cellulose" as in "attacking that" - as I really (from my own experiences) see that none of my (antifungals) have phased this stuff. It's like it's all engulfed in a (maybe bacterial) biofilm made of cellulose - even though the fungal aspects are still there, because I can plant "specimens" and they'll grow into identifiable fungal species- as that too has been professionally realized by the results. How the cellulose got in the mix, maybe the bacterial component is causing that. Maybe it's not even in the mix (but) I think it is. I sure don't know, but...that's why that Swanson's product, imho, is worth a try, like the F-6, I see extreme similarities in the ingredients and why they are as they are in thatF-6 product. And the supplements can possibly work from the inside out, and can also be applied topically with "water" not oil as I'd said in a previous post. Make a paste out of the "cellulase supplement" for topical applications, but taking it internally as the label specifies, is most important, because more is not better, slow and sure and consistent, is the best way to not shock the body either. PS, Hi Harry
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Post by Harry on Oct 13, 2011 16:15:24 GMT -5
Lyds you are very welcome truly & thank you as well, Hi Toni hugs & Blessings, all you folks are the cats meow ;D
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Post by Harry on Oct 13, 2011 19:05:49 GMT -5
This is a must read: www.vitamins-supplements.org/digestive-enzymes/cellulase.phpThen after you read above link, look at these ingredients: www.swansonvitamins.com/GLF107/ItemDetail?SourceCode=INTL406And then read this. This is to help understand how cellulases break up cellulose. Just something for a very good understanding. It's important...really it is. I'll just post this first paragraph, because it's SO informative on cellulases for degrading cellulose (if that's our problem). Abstract I'll put my comments in yellow to help understand what they're saying. Despite excellent biocompatibility and mechanical properties, the poor in vitro and in vivo ontop of or inside degradability of cellulose has limited its biomedical and biomass conversion applications. To address this issue, we report a metabolic engineering- based approach to the rational redesign of cellular metabolites to introduce N-acetylglucosamine (GlcNAc) residues into cellulosic biopolymers during de novo synthesis from Gluconacetobacter xylinus. The cellulose produced from these engineered cells (modified bacterial cellulose [MBC]) was evaluated and compared with cellulose produced from normal cells (bacterial cellulose [BC]). High GlcNAc content and lower crystallinity in MBC compared to BC make this a multifunctional bioengineered polymer susceptible to lysozyme, an enzyme widespread in the human body, and to rapid hydrolysis degregation by cellulase, an enzyme commonly used in biomass conversion. Degradability in vivo was demonstrated in subcutaneous implants in mice, where modified cellulose was completely degraded within 20 days. We provide a new route toward the production of a family of tailorable modified cellulosic biopolymers that overcome the longstanding limitation associated with the poor degradability of cellulose for a wide range of potential applications. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2937499/Great information Toni thank very much, have you viewed this, their are many videos on the subject I feel is pertinent wn.com/Agrobacterium
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Post by toni on Oct 14, 2011 8:07:34 GMT -5
Hi Harry,
And yes that's a very good video, excellent in fact. Shows just how Agro is what vectors anything they want into anything else too, and then becomes part of it's genome.
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Post by Harry on Oct 14, 2011 14:35:38 GMT -5
Thank you Toni I felt it was extremely important for people to understand what's out there & whats being done, just found this one that is very interesting also. >>>>> "Morgellons is an agribacterial parasite that can jump Kindgoms from plant to animal."
{{ Agrobacterium..YES!.. AB creates cellulose fibers. Crown Gall disease, that is caused by AB, IS a mass of cellulose fibers. AB is one of the "tools of choice" for the GMO mechanics. Hey, look at how easy it is to move DNA snippets to a target plant/fungus..just give the "new code" to the AB, and let it infect the target.
Now, people are growing cellulose fibers.
Connect the dots.}} _________________________________________________________
"A small number of people become infected due to extremely compromised immune systems."
{{..in my case, the first "signs" that "something was wrong" was the odd "pimples/blisters that don't heal".. that started after I moved from NM to NJ...and was dealing with the highest stress loads of my life. High stress, sustained for..ten years..does bad things to the immune system. [as well as a diet of sugar and caffeine, the night shift workers "breakfast/lunch/dinner of champions". High glucose levels in the blood shut down the immune system. Cortisol dumps from the adrenal glands, triggered by the doses of caffeine thru the night, also suppresses the immune system. }} __________________________________________________________
"The agribacterium can communicate with each other through a process known as quorum sensing."
Agreed. I continue to see evidence of "synchronized behaviour" by this pathogen. How else does one explain a systemic contamination [in blood] that expresses itself "en masse" at ONE location? Pimples/blisters ONLY on chest..in a tight group. Next time around, it's a large herd of belly blisters. Or maybe the legs get swarmed. OR the arms...but it doesn't generally present in a random distribution in all areas at the same time..as one might expect. There is some mechanism allowing this "bug" to detect and join others of it's kind..where they go "active" AT THE SAME TIME. __________________________________________________________
"The bacterium can secrete toxins that destroy human flesh. When bacteria are near the surface of the skin, the toxin can create open lesions that do not heal. Traditional medicine has not developed treatments effective against these lesions or Morgellons pathogens in general. The reason is due to the structure of the pathogen. Its plant base resists treatments intended for animals."
"However, our bodies make no enzymes capable of breaking down plant fibers, such as cellulose."
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 14, 2011 21:06:51 GMT -5
I got this in 1972 unless this mess of nasty was developed back then I highly doubt that the issue is agrobacterium.
There are plenty of farmers in Korea, but I really doubt they are dealing with anything bought at the store, Koreans could not buy anything like this, at best they could fertilize using human waste product.
I do know they used GI, military men's crap and thought the world of it.
The reason, we eat meat, and we eat meat alot, good fertilizer.
Do they compost the waste material, highly doubtful, they were not trained in proper use of waste materials, if they were they would not be using human waste at all.
The reason they did is on the post we had outposts and there would be 55 gallon drums near filled with GI waste they were paid to remove it.
I can bring you back to the early days of this as I have had it 39 years.
Just keep that in your mind when thinking about NEW technology after 1972.
I can not say for sure that this has not been advanced, in fact I wonder if it has become more virulent, but make no mistake, it was here for me in 1972.
I followed the progression inside and outside my body and on others, if I sat down and recorded all I can remember, still more would come forth after.
All the time I saw new issues, all the time I wondered when will this problem be mainstream, when, when, when!
Now it is and everybody guessing at when they caught it, how they caught it.
I can not say for sure, but the dermatology clinic in the military hospital was full of us, when I went there the first time a officer came out of the doctors office screaming in a tone reserved for horror movies, he was covered with this.
He was one that manifested quickly for whatever reason, he was screaming, HOW CAN I GO HOME LIKE THIS!!!!! The doctor s voice coming through the door said, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
He had the lesions in a bad way, I only at that time had eczema, I said to another soldier sitting next to me, boy am I glad I don't have what he has, little did I know.
I watched as people began to itch, I watched as the skin changed on people, I watched as I had a baby born with issues.
This is not new
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Post by sage on Oct 15, 2011 2:08:46 GMT -5
Well,Barocko, You are supporting the words of the late Dr. William Harvey, who sez "a nematode, a wormlike parasite that lives in the soil as well as in the guts of half the amimals on the planet mutated somewhere in the 1970s in southeast asia and jumped from animals to humans" He also said the fecal route is involved. And we have pictures of them reproducing. Who is "WE"...and where are the pictures? Everything starts somewhere ...and nothing is new. sage
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