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Post by pdidit on Dec 21, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
ok how much mustard powder for the wash and so do you think it is ok to use the mustard powder flour one? I will look for the real thing in the meantime. I wonder if there is a salicylic acid product to put in your wash too, or is that unnecessary? Might take out color like the citric acid. I don't think I have many of the fibers left because I put all cotton away for quite some time...no sheets, I sleep on a plastic tablecloth , use no towel, wear no socks . I have probably some tiny ones I can't see though so one never knows. my radio shack thing broke and will have to get a new one. I used to have fibers big enough to see easily with the naked eye. Not so anymore. But, I know I have a bacteria, so perhaps this will do the trick--that is the oxy pads etc. I went through an entire container the other day, just on my face!!! Reason being is that I am peeling so much that this kept the peeling going and going and going...took me hours to get most of it off but then was left stinging and in pain. I am now trying a new thing today...lice MD to wipe my face etc down with, with wipes soaked in diluted clorox. I know clorox works for me from past experiments--will try the salicylic acid with the lice md too. Any time my skin is exposed to air, I am rebitten by these flying gmo machines and the mites or whatever else I have hitching on for the ride...I have many things as you will see when I post my photos.. thank you so much for the info skizit!!!
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Post by skizit on Dec 21, 2011 19:14:36 GMT -5
I don't know what mustard flour is but I'd use it if that's all I had. Salicylic acid is in the acne meds for your skin. There are other things to get bacteria out of your clothes.
If there is bacteria in your skin, it will continue to generate fibers so putting your sheets away just keeps the sheets from getting fibers on them. You need to test your skin.
Be careful and not overdo any treatment, especially combining acids and lice meds. i wouldn't do that. Just try the mustard water and you'll see you'll change the attraction of the insects as well.
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Post by skizit on Dec 22, 2011 16:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by skizit on Dec 22, 2011 16:58:48 GMT -5
Even more about bacteria. The bacteria that grow the spore fibers in the pictures in the thread above are bacillus subtilis and anthracis. B. subtilis was a contaminant in the anthrax letters. The strain was an "unknown" perhaps because it is a secret transgenic weapon [my comment].
"Background: The question refers to the non-hemolytic (B. anthracis is hemolytic) bacterial contaminant found in some of the letters. It proved to be a spore forming Bacillus subtilis bacterium. As the name implies, this is somewhat related to Bacillus anthracis and shares many biological properties. But it is not a disease causing organism, and there are many, many different types found in the environment. It would not be surprise to me to find a novel B. subtilis on my computer keyboard.
Answer: The government investigators thought that perhaps this contaminant could be used to trace back the spore preps to a particular laboratory. If the contaminant was a common laboratory strain of B. subtilis, this might have been possible. In the end, this apparently proved impossible because this contaminant was different from any known lab strains. Likewise, Dugway Proving Grounds labs were intensely investigated, and I would assume that any Bacillus strains at that facility would have been investigated. Again, no lab strains matched the contaminant using DNA analysis."
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Post by ginna898 on Dec 22, 2011 19:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by skizit on Dec 22, 2011 20:40:22 GMT -5
This is the most interesting thing I've read today. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17554552A degradation product of the salicylic acid pathway triggers oxidative stress resulting in down-regulation of Bacillus subtilis biofilm formation on Arabidopsis thaliana roots. Rudrappa T, Quinn WJ, Stanley-Wall NR, Bais HP. Source Department of Plant and Soil Sciences, Delaware Biotechnology Institute, Newark, DE 19711, USA. Abstract Bacillus subtilis, a plant growth promoting rhizobacteria (PGPR), induces growth response and protection against pathogenic organisms through colonization and biofilm formation on the Arabidopsis thaliana root surface. In the current investigation, we utilized various Arabidopsis defense pathway mutants in a series of studies and showed that the plants recognize B. subtilis by a chemical-dependent cascade, which is independent of the salicylic acid (SA), jasmonic acid (JA), or ethylene pathways. These experiments revealed the importance of root surface chemistry in colonization and biofilm formation by B. subtilis. It was found that B. subtilis FB17 could not form biofilms on the roots of NahG, a transgenic Arabidopsis line for salicylate hydroxylase that produces catechol as the degradation product of SA. These findings suggest that catechol may play a direct role in inhibiting B. subtilis FB17 biofilm formation on the NahG root surface, possibly through induction of reactive oxygen species (ROS) in the roots. Using both in vitro microtitre plate and in planta assays we confirmed that catechol inhibited biofilm formation, but not the planktonic growth, of B. subtilis. Inhibition of biofilm formation was shown to be the result of a physiological response by B. subtilis to the presence of catechol, which resulted in the down-regulation of transcription of the yqxM-sipW-tasA and epsA-O operons, both of which are required for biofilm formation by B. subtilis. These data indicate that the suppression of biofilm formation on NahG plants was strongly influenced by the root-derived catechol production through ROS-mediated down-regulation of B. subtilis biofilm genes.
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Post by skizit on Dec 22, 2011 21:07:02 GMT -5
The yarn in Morgellons victims I put in my video on fibers may also have something to do with Bacillus subtilis. Could it be the bacteria can make a twisting yarn? "Spore-forming bacteria (Bacillus mesentericus and B. subtilis) occuring on wheat and hence in flour. The spores can survive baking and then are present in the bread. Under the right conditions of warmth and moisture the spores germinate and the mass of bacteria convert the bread into sticky, yellowish patches which can be pulled out into rope-like threads, hence the term ‘ropy’ bread. The bacterial growth is inhibited by acid substances. Can also occur in milk, called long milk in Scandinavia." Read more: www.answers.com/topic/rope#ixzz1hJrRNmY7This may suggest a connection between GMO food (flour and bread), the spores surviving baking.
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Post by toni on Dec 23, 2011 13:40:03 GMT -5
Skitiz,
Have you seen how B.Subtilis twists and turns by itself? The elongated macroscopic fibers do.
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Post by toni on Dec 23, 2011 13:47:43 GMT -5
Many of us back in 07ish I think it was, discussed B.Sub. This link is more recent, and I believe you'll find this interesting to the max Skizit. I know I sure do. The B. Sub fibers grow from nothing practically in 1/2 a days time to unbelievable lengths and gnarly masses. lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=14719Look at this growth rate. Picture 1 - shows the fiber. Picture 8 shows what that little fiber looks like in just under 1/2 of a day.
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Post by skizit on Dec 23, 2011 16:41:53 GMT -5
Glad you knew about B. subtilis. i found this article just now. I wonder how penicillin would help the formation of the spores in Morgellons. This has some awesome pictures. If doctors don't know what the fibers are, they sure wouldn't know to give a person Penicillin G, if that would stop the formation. Helical Macrofiber Formation in Bacillus subtilis: Inhibition by Penicillin G ARIEH ZARITSKY1' 2 AND NEIL H. MENDELSON2* Department of Biology, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Beer-Sheva, Israel,1 and Department of Cellular and Developmental Biology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 857212 Received 14 November 1983/Accepted 27 February 1984 The folding process required for helical macrofiber formation after the outgrowth of Bacillus subtilis spores was found to be blocked by very low concentrations of penicillin G (1 to 3 ng/ml). Under such conditions, growth and septation without cell separation resulted in characteristic disorganized multicellular structures. Higher concentrations (4 and 10 nglml) were needed to inhibit spore outgrowth and vegetative growth, respectively. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC215572/pdf/jbacter00235-0424.pdf
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Post by toni on Dec 23, 2011 17:57:10 GMT -5
That's a real good article Skiz. Thanks.
I'd sure try penicillin to rid the B.s. (bacillus sub) if I weren't allergic to it. I don't know what other med or herb is closely related that would be comparable.
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Post by skizit on Dec 23, 2011 18:26:44 GMT -5
I also found this on the construction of B. subtilis biofilm. Depolymerized with harsh treatment formic acid? Amyloid fibers provide structural integrity to Bacillus subtilis biofilms Abstract Bacillus subtilis forms biofilms whose constituent cells are held together by an extracellular matrix. Previous studies have shown that the protein TasA and an exopolysaccharide are the main components of the matrix. Given the importance of TasA in biofilm formation, we characterized the physicochemical properties of this protein. We report that purified TasA forms fibers of variable length and 10–15 nm in width. Biochemical analyses, in combination with the use of specific dyes and microscopic analyses, indicate that TasA forms amyloid fibers. Consistent with this hypothesis, TasA fibers required harsh treatments (e.g., formic acid) to be depolymerized. When added to a culture of a tasA mutant, purified TasA restored wild-type biofilm morphology, indicating that the purified protein retained biological activity. We propose that TasA forms amyloid fibers that bind cells together in the biofilm. www.pnas.org/content/107/5/2230.fullThis would be the pertinent part: The endospore forming Gram-positive bacterium Bacillus subtilis makes matrix-encased biofilms on the surface of agar plates as well as robust floating biofilms (pellicles) at the air–liquid interface of standing cultures (23). These biofilms, far from being mere aggregates of cells, exhibit an ordered spatiotemporal distribution of subpopulations of cells involved in tasks as diverse as sporulation, motility, and matrix formation (24). This organization is largely dependent upon the presence of the extracellular matrix, which is composed mainly of an exopolysaccharide and the protein TasA (25). TasA was first reported to be a protein associated with the spore and was proposed to have antimicrobial activity (26, 27). It was later shown that [glow=red,2,300]TasA is indeed the major protein component of the extracellular matrix of B. subtilis biofilms [/glow](25). Here, we show that TasA forms amyloid fibers and that the formation of these fibers is essential for the integrity of the extracellular matrix and thus, the biofilm. To accomplish this, we developed a protocol to purify TasA to homogeneity directly from B. subtilis. The purified TasA protein was functional in that it was able to restore wild-type biofilm forming ability to a mutant lacking tasA. Using biochemical, microscopic and dye-binding analyses, we show that fibers of purified TasA display amyloid properties and appear to mediate cell-to-cell interactions within the biofilms.
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Post by toni on Dec 23, 2011 20:21:04 GMT -5
GREAT info to the B.Subtilis.
I'm wondering....
I wonder (have you heard of NaPCA)? I use to use that all the time, as it's very good for the skin, it keeps it hydrated. Twin Labs (brand) is what I use and still have. Well..I've not used it in awhile, forgot about it actually in all this trying of a million other things.
But...I wonder if there's any correlation between a "substitute" for the formic acid (since we can't use that stuff) but, here's what's funny.
You know how "that little voice" inside talks to you? hahahah that sounds funny, but what I mean is, that "intuition thing gets yackin away".
Well, when we listen to it, usually we're 'right on target'. But, when we ignore it, and go the other way, we wish we wouldn't have.
That (little intuitive voice) has been tugging at me saying, (Tooooni) just try the NaPCA on the lesion, or....some of the "fibrous looking tissue or biofilm" that's got the fiber like matrix inside it- and put it on the slide to JUST see what it does.
So, tomorrow, I am.
If the NaPCA can break apart this dried biofilm that has the consistency or texture rather of rubber, I'll sure share the video, if it's successful. I've tried "bleach on the slide, well...I could go through a list of ingredients that didn't work, so no need to".
So lets see if we can find something "similar, that's safe to even use" that might be in the "area of that formic acid". Or something sort of close since we can't do the formic. Thanks for that article, I believe that's part of the problem too to the coverings or "lichen-like" coverings on our sores that keep forming over them.
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Post by simone on Dec 23, 2011 20:55:23 GMT -5
Hi toni and skiz... Wow I can't believe how fast those fibers grow. I was looking at a white ball that came off my cheek.. under the scope it look very whitish...nothing much but a few clear fibers starting to come out. A couple hrs later I noticed a black dot...like the ones you see in the skin. Another hr later I now see 2 black dots. I'm looking at other balls of fibers and I've seen those black dots...so very tiny. Will post pics soon. I have days off now so I more time.
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Post by skizit on Dec 23, 2011 23:21:14 GMT -5
Simone, Get some OXY Cleansing Pads at the drug store and start using those on your face. They kill the bacteria that produce the fibers. You can't start this soon enough. Once you get the biofilm in your skin, its almost impossible.
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Post by davidbourke on Dec 24, 2011 13:15:27 GMT -5
Just a short message to thank toni for the warm welcome message and say I agree with all the points she raised there. My own mites originally used to start on my scalp and face at about midnight, then stop after a couple of hours. I could then get to sleep. But anywhere from 40 minutes to four hours later the ones in my groin and anus would start, waking me up. My original intention was to post my day-to-day progress on the borax water/baking soda remedy here each week by adding to my original post so as to keep the information in one place rather than all over this thread. I've just updated it now. lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=rash&thread=15134&post=171743I've been very ill (injured my stomach lining) for the past few days thanks to two stupid mistakes I made when starting the oral hydrogen peroxide. I've now edited my post on this subject to include a warning at the top that tells people how to avoid my errors. lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=rash&thread=15134&post=171744The worst of it is I can't take the remedy now due to extreme nausea. I don't know how long it's going to take for my stomach to heal so I can finish what I started. I may even have to start out all over again. One step forward, ten steps back... Stay well and take care.
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Post by skizit on Dec 24, 2011 13:21:55 GMT -5
David, taking the hydrogen peroxide internally is not effective. You would do better to take cellulase which will break down vegetative growth of bacteria and fungus.
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Post by davidbourke on Dec 24, 2011 13:33:22 GMT -5
Many thanks for the tip, skizit. As far as I know, I'm dealing with a systemic infestation of demodex mites. Jo has helped me determine that I don't have Morgellons.
I've tried topical dilutions of Kleen Green which contains cellulase, lipase, protease, and amylase by total-body spraying three times a day. This got rid of my scabies in a fortnight but seems to have absolutely no effect on demodex because they're buried too deep in follicles and sebaceous glands.
Perhaps you might elaborate please?
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Post by toni on Dec 24, 2011 14:06:55 GMT -5
Hi David,
Good to see you, and I'm sorry you had that set back and now having stomach problems.
I'm such a milk fan (not that I like milk that much) but... I'm thinking outloud here, because I don't know really what the answer is about your tummy.
I (from reading) have read about peroxide destroying the esophagus in people who've drunk it, and that was plenty to scare me, so I never did it, but...the other thing too is, and this is "an individual thing" in what this means.
But "imho" anything that causes "free radicals in the body" is not a good thing. Peroxide does that.
I know "many on the internet say" that it oxygenates blood, I don't know, but what I do know is: moving about, exercise, breathing deeply, getting that heart going, is what oxygenates blood the healthiest way.
I wonder IF....drinking milk would help your tummy? I say that because "if you've ever read Poison Controls site" they say something like : Some ingested poisons require "no fluids" and then some acidic type ingestions (of course depending on what they are) DO require "milk".
Why milk? Because it 'binds to the toxins" and helps encase it better.
And that may just pertain to when the actual toxic ingestion occurs too, I don't know really if that can help soothe your stomach at this point, but I sure hope so. Or drinking Keifer or eating some nice soothing yogurt? That might help get things back in order. When certain bacteria are destroyed in our "guts as they call it"....we need to put it back, and yogurt or keifer are the ones that help greatly with that too.
I'm not sure if you saw the post about "mustard". It opens pores, and purifies them. "Maybe"? Try applying a tad of dry mustard to a base cream you already have, and mix that together, and apply that on your scalp or face, or both. That's what I've been doing and it's helping GREATLY.
It kills demodex mites (better than anything I've tried) as I test them under my scope and I watch for hours what takes them out 'immediately" because that's what I want to happen. And the winner so far, from my "many many MANY" experiments is...(dry mustard) mixed with water first, then mixed into "anything" like shampoo, conditioner, creams, lotions, oils etc, anything mixed with mustard seems to work really well.
The pain part is, don't use too much, it burns, and if mites are ailing us, then it's a long haul of doing this protocol daily as to not get reinfected by the new hatchings.
Good luck, and I hope your stomach gets better soon.
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Post by toni on Dec 24, 2011 14:22:54 GMT -5
I also found this on the construction of B. subtilis biofilm. Depolymerized with harsh treatment formic acid? Amyloid fibers provide structural integrity to Bacillus subtilis biofilms Abstract Bacillus subtilis forms biofilms whose constituent cells are held together by an extracellular matrix. Previous studies have shown that the protein TasA and an exopolysaccharide are the main components of the matrix. Given the importance of TasA in biofilm formation, we characterized the physicochemical properties of this protein. We report that purified TasA forms fibers of variable length and 10–15 nm in width. Biochemical analyses, in combination with the use of specific dyes and microscopic analyses, indicate that TasA forms amyloid fibers. Consistent with this hypothesis, TasA fibers required harsh treatments (e.g., formic acid) to be depolymerized. When added to a culture of a tasA mutant, purified TasA restored wild-type biofilm morphology, indicating that the purified protein retained biological activity. We propose that TasA forms amyloid fibers that bind cells together in the biofilm. www.pnas.org/content/107/5/2230.fullThis would be the pertinent part: The endospore forming Gram-positive bacterium Bacillus subtilis makes matrix-encased biofilms on the surface of agar plates as well as robust floating biofilms (pellicles) at the air–liquid interface of standing cultures (23). These biofilms, far from being mere aggregates of cells, exhibit an ordered spatiotemporal distribution of subpopulations of cells involved in tasks as diverse as sporulation, motility, and matrix formation (24). This organization is largely dependent upon the presence of the extracellular matrix, which is composed mainly of an exopolysaccharide and the protein TasA (25). TasA was first reported to be a protein associated with the spore and was proposed to have antimicrobial activity (26, 27). It was later shown that [glow=red,2,300]TasA is indeed the major protein component of the extracellular matrix of B. subtilis biofilms [/glow](25). Here, we show that TasA forms amyloid fibers and that the formation of these fibers is essential for the integrity of the extracellular matrix and thus, the biofilm. To accomplish this, we developed a protocol to purify TasA to homogeneity directly from B. subtilis. The purified TasA protein was functional in that it was able to restore wild-type biofilm forming ability to a mutant lacking tasA. Using biochemical, microscopic and dye-binding analyses, we show that fibers of purified TasA display amyloid properties and appear to mediate cell-to-cell interactions within the biofilms. Hi Skizit, Yesterday after your post here, I was saying I'll be trying my NaPCA on "specimens" because of the formic acid not being something we can use on our skin. I didn't know if you knew what I meant, and I'm not sure either that this will work, but...what got my attention was your link on the formic acid for the amyloid fiber degragation, and I wanted to see if there was something similarly safe that we could use. So then, the NaPCA came to mind because of the Carboxlic acid ingredient. I don't know if these are the same thing, as I'm not that read on carboxlic acid either, I just remembered when I read your post/link that carboxlic acid is in NaPCA which is very good for the skin. See: Formic acid (also called methanoic acid) is the simplest carboxylic acid. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formic_acid Na-PCA with Aloe Vera is a Ph-balanced, concentrated solution of the sodium salt of pyrrolidone carboxylic acid www.twinlab.com/product/na-pca-non-oily-aloe-veraThis is why I'd brought up the NaPCA. And whether they're the same across the board, I don't know. But, I'll let you know what happens.
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