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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 29, 2012 5:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by Lynn on Jan 29, 2012 20:40:11 GMT -5
Elizabeth
Is the Silica part of the fillings they use now days that feel rubbery?? When one of my deep Mercury feelings started causing me bad pain I had it replace with a rubber like substance. All I could afford to do with insurance to get rid of the Mercury. My mouth was breaking out in terrible sores back then too. Once I got rid of the Mercury my mouth quite breaking out with sores except on rare occasion. I have only had four fillings in my entire life and they all were very deep. Back when I was 14 and that is also the same year later that year that I had the Bells Palsy paralyze the left side of my face. Also back at the beginning stages of Morgellons over eight years ago that same side of my face that the filling had to be replaced.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 30, 2012 3:41:40 GMT -5
Hi Lynn.
Silica is one of the many additives . The dental plastics are mostly acrylates. Your filling should not feel like rubber. My front teeth also feel rubbery. Like there is an elastic film on them.( all my teeth feel like that after the spill, the oral mucosa/ palate also) Did you ever had the feeling you've swallowed a rubber band? My mouth had a lot of sores also. Every time something happens to my teeth/ fillings ( small pieces breaking ) my mouth becomes painful with sores and the fibers comes out. I know exactly what is happening ( crazing) , but Í have troubles to explain in English. I have a feeling that lots of dentists have "accidents". They won't tell you if they do/did. If my dentist did not react the way he did back then, I probably never knew what came over me. You also have bone cements ( joint replacement) or did they only use screws? These dental, medical and cosmetic acrylates are harmful. I wonder if CDC did a research on that. They should have looked into sufferers dental records. Their research is a farce/ cover up. Perhaps we could do a poll, asking sufferers if they have been in contact with materials like this, because I truly believe they have a lot to do with it.
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Post by sage on Jan 30, 2012 4:19:08 GMT -5
Hi, Elizabeth, my belief is that while a dental episode may not be the actual cause of this plague, it can certainly be an enhancement. Prior to my big-time breakout, I had root planeings and also a root canal. Not long after that I came down with a severe case of pneumoniae with a fever..Then my temp dropped down into the low 95's and has never risen to so called normal, in over 8 years ! Also, I have been involved with ticks. Even had one in my bicycle tire! Go Figure! sage
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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 30, 2012 5:23:19 GMT -5
Hi Sage It definitly was the trigger for my symptones, but I also believe there is more to it. There is a lot going on in Europa/ The Netherlands at the moment about injectables. ( permanent wrinkle fillers i.e. Bio-Alcamid and Derma Live) They are forbidden in the US for a couple of years, but they still are being used in Europa. I don't have them, but I was wondering if victims also have fibers coming out of their skin or if this was ever checked. I am also wondering how many dental workers, orthopedic surgeons, nail stylist etc. are suffering from Morgellons. ( We really have to change that name; I hate it )
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Post by ibzahp on Jan 30, 2012 23:08:24 GMT -5
Elizabeth, I enjoy painting w/acrylics and m sometimes careless and get the paint on my hands. When that happens I sense its getting pulled into my skin and that it migrates and contributes to the biofilm problems on my skin. In my case i don't think it caused it but does make it worse. I can only imagine how it interacts when injected.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 31, 2012 5:11:37 GMT -5
Hi Ibzahp. I think sufferers have to be very carefull with acrylates/acrylics. I use to be creative, loved to work with polymer clay (fimo) untill I saw something happening when I forgot to clean up a plastic bowl. After a couple of days the clay melted a hole in the plastic bowl. That can't be healthy....
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 8, 2012 3:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by 22122agin on Feb 8, 2012 23:21:13 GMT -5
elizabeth67, When I researched when my Morgellons symtoms started, I could pin point it to my new dentist and his materials. Having found exactly what teeth he worked on by its number and what materials he used exactly, I then had the Cliffords Compatibility Test with another doctor which is a blood test against all these materials out there in dental medicine and in surgery as well. It turns out, he had used materials that came up unsafe for me in that catagory. I proceded to have this fillings (composites) changed to one of the safe materials designated on my list and when I did, to the proportion the crawling was less for each one that was changed getting better and better. It made a difference for my brain and functioning and not to feel like a leper too. Some things did not change but there was a big improvement, (not a cure) for which I feel the money as least for myself was well spent. I am not talking about amalgams here but those white composite fillings dentist do. Also to be incriminated are the glues that my crowns were glued on with but since this dentist never did crowns for me, and I checked what glues previous dentist used., I was ok in that department. Of course I left this dentist who I think wanted to weed me out first by greeting me by shaking my hand so that I could hear the bones crack in my hand. That did it. I was out of there. I was his "Dr. Fell" and he was mine. 22122
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 9, 2012 4:21:43 GMT -5
Hi 22122. Long time no see. How you doing? The point about the dental materials is that a lot of "accidents" happended and I believe that this is the thing that has to be covered up to avoid lawsuits against dentists and/or FDA( they are the one that allow/forbid what is on the market) The plastic ( nano) materials are all in a liquid state before curing and therefor sensitive for accidents in case of inaccuracy. ( using syrenge instead of microbrushes.) The uncured materials are highly volatile ( solvents, which CDC ignored in their so called crap study) ; a syringe can easely get clogged. When a filling, roothcanalfilling, crowns, brackets etc. is done in a proper way people won't get sick, tho lot of people have allergies for the plastic materials; 20% to plastics against 1% to amalgams. It is always better to do a biocompatible/allergie test to rule out the bad ones. But there is more to it. When I started to read and learn about these materials and the fiber plague I have noticed that some sufferers also have implants ( artificial joints, titanium pins, breast/testicles implants etc.) Silicone implants/packaging "sweat" particles. Joints and pins are mostly screwed and glued in/on to the bones. The glues ( bonecements) leak (nano)particles into the body for years, so in case of a dental "accident" on top of that, you are screwed ( glued is a better word) Morgies really need to stay away from acrylics/acrylates/solvents because I believe it can trigger the whole thing again and again and again. I hope I make some sense with my kindergarten English? ;D tinyurl.com/7qweohkpfff,I'm in modify mode www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22192249Dent Mater. 2012 Jan;28(1):23-40. doi: 10.1016/j.dental.2011.08.595. Predicting clinical biological responses to dental materials. Wataha JC. SourceDepartment of Restorative Dentistry, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-7456, United States. jwataha@u.washington.edu Abstract OBJECTIVES: Methods used to measure and predict clinical biological responses to dental materials remain controversial, confusing, and to some extent, unsuccessful. The current paper reviews significant issues surrounding how we assess the biological safety of materials, with a historical summary and critical look at the biocompatibility literature. The review frames these issues from a U.S. perspective to some degree, but emphasizes their global nature and universal importance. METHODS: The PubMed database and information from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, International Standards Organization, and American National Standards Institute were searched for prominent literature addressing the definition of biocompatibility, types of biological tests employed, regulatory and standardization issues, and how biological tests are used together to establish the biological safety of materials. The search encompassed articles published in English from approximately 1965-2011. The review does not comprehensively review the literature, but highlights significant issues that confront the field. RESULTS: Years ago, tests for biological safety sought to establish material inertness as the measure of safety, a criterion that is now deemed naive; the definition of biocompatibility has broadened along with the roles for materials in patient oral health care. Controversies persist about how in vitro or animal tests should be used to evaluate the biological safety of materials for clinical use. Controlled clinical trials remain the single best measure of the clinical response to materials, but even these tests have significant limitations and are less useful to identify mechanisms that shape material performance. Practice-based research networks and practitioner databases are emerging as important supplements to controlled clinical trials, but their final utility remains to be determined. SIGNIFICANCE: Today we ask materials to play increasingly sophisticated structural and therapeutic roles in patient treatment. To accommodate these roles, strategies to assess, predict, and monitor material safety need to evolve. This evolution will be driven not only by researchers and manufacturers, but also by patients and practitioners, who want to use novel materials in new ways to treat oral disease. Copyright © 2011 Academy of Dental Materials. Published by Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved. PMID: 22192249 [PubMed - in process]
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Post by ibzahp on Feb 9, 2012 14:27:50 GMT -5
Elizabeth, I notice that my acrylic paints make the itching and biting worse-i love to paint and don't want to give it up but i think your right about people needing to stay away from that stuff
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 9, 2012 15:26:01 GMT -5
Hi Ibzahp. I can imagen that you don't want to give this up, and you shouldn't. Morgellons has stolen enough from us....Just be carefull. Perhaps you can protect your hands with latex gloves?
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Post by itchin4answers on Feb 9, 2012 19:10:44 GMT -5
Elizabeth, I notice that my acrylic paints make the itching and biting worse-i love to paint and don't want to give it up but i think your right about people needing to stay away from that stuff ibzahp, we have something here called "invisible glove" - we have some in the cupboard and I have applied the cream to my hands. My dad uses the cream a lot, especially when he is doing painting around the house (decorating etc). I found this link from Amazon; tinyurl.com/8557w3gYou could always try the hand cream if you didn't want to wear the gloves. Good luck and happy painting
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Post by sage on Feb 10, 2012 0:51:17 GMT -5
Hi, Itchen, that seems like a good idea to try. Also, one could switch to watercolours, altho they are not so forgiving as other paints. sage
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Post by 22122agin on Feb 13, 2012 0:22:45 GMT -5
I am doing ok. Don't come on here too much but saw this of yours, elizabeth. That first link showed a lot more that you were apologizing for, for some reason. The abstract link below that you have pasted here did not give as much information. Nothing wrong with your English. Better than mine. I get an attack of crawling when I am in certain meeting rooms and then I avoid that place after that, fishing things out of the trash that should be in the recycle bin, that will get me an attack and and when I do its ok in a few days. Just use Trisha New Hope cream on my face and sometimes in my hair. A webby kind of feeling. Bought a new top sheet and do better with flannel but got the regular kind so felt the crawling right away with that. But I am waaay better since I had my filings changed of incompatible materials. Thanks for your post. No root canals yet. Hope I never have one. Would be hard to find endodontists to comply with the Cliffords Tests for me, I think. Hope I never have to go there. Don't even want to think about it. Thanks for the thread, elizabeth. 22122
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Post by Lynn on Feb 13, 2012 11:03:06 GMT -5
Hi 22
It was nice seeing your post. I have thought about you off and on and wondered why you were so quiet. I know when I am really struggling I do not want to rattle off unless scared. Then I rattle and rattle. ;D
How long ago did you get the fillings out and please if you can tell us what changes happened. I have one replaced with that plastic stuff before the full blown, but I had symptoms way before the dentist ever touched my Mercury filled anagrams. I still have 3 and they all are deep. The deepest one that they could not be saved because it was mostly filling and very little tooth. That is the one I got them to save. He did say and he showed me before he filled it with plastic 4 years ago that little pieces of the old filling could not be removed without the tooth falling apart in pieces. It looked like spot welding in certain spots to hold the tooth together. They told me I would make it one year before the root went dead and I would have to have a root canal which they wanted to do in the first place. I have had very little to no trouble with that tooth compared to the others that are filled.
Hugs and love and take care. In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 13, 2012 14:23:10 GMT -5
Hi Lynn. If your amalgams are oke and not bother you, don't replace them. I know mercury is very toxic, but mercury is bound in the other metals and don't "leak" as hard as the plastics. The danger from the uncured plastics ( resins) is their viscosity. This makes it very sensitive for accidents. If you need treatment with these kind of materials ask your dentist for a rubber dam. Not sure if this will protect in case of root canal fillings. The bone cements are also composites made of similar ingredients, and also leak particles into the body. Did you had the hip replacement before or after the fillings? I have noticed that lots of sufferers had some kind of orthopedic surgery. ( spinal, joints, bones, knees etc.) I have seen microscopic pictures from bone cements and the fibers/particles that leaks out, look very familiar..... Something else... I have read some DOP literature/ cases. I wonder if this really ever exist and if those cases weren't actually Morgies...We all know how easily doctors give their "diagnose". The first literature I could find was from 1946. Acrylates/ plastics are on the market since 1938. What if they are wrong for all that time? The cases all had skin issues.....These poor people may have been diagnosed with DOP, while something completly different was going on.
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Post by Lynn on Feb 13, 2012 16:52:42 GMT -5
Hi Elizabeth I will not go for a root canal. Also I will not go to the dentist unless I can not eat. I have always been a stickler about going to the dentist. I have had dentist hassle me over the phone because I wait for years to go. I went 25 years without a dentist and went in when my teeth were receding and had Morg symptoms and did not realize where this was heading. They were shocked at how mediocre the plaque build up was. They were expecting my teeth to be horrid and then I got to tell them I am an avid tooth brusher. Rarely floss which probably would have made the teeth even cleaner, but still surprised them. lol. If I ever do get anagrams removed it will be because I will have to to be able to eat. The one I had removed started infections that would swell my mouth shut and I could not eat. In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by 22122agin on Feb 13, 2012 23:02:04 GMT -5
Hi lynn and elizabeth, The Clifford Test tests ones blood against over 1000 materials including metal in hip replacements and all kind of plastics used in surgery, suture material etc and all dental materials. I assume they update their list as new things are added. If you find a Wholistic dentist then most know ahead of time, pretty much, which materials cause problems in people because not everyone can afford the Cliffords or wants to go that route. I had four teeth that had incompatible materials with my body that this so call strange dentist had put in. Crawling started when he put the first one in. (I had two other unrelated incidents at the same time I won't go into here but this was the only one I could do anything about) He did one at a time to remove and replace with the good stuff and for each one he did there was a month or so and I noticed less symtoms particularly less crawling on the face lessoned for each tooth he rmoved. It was particularly noticable with eventually no lip crawling. I had always found wholistic dentists before hand because I have Chronic Fatigue. So you are probably wondering how I got in with such a character who wasn't Wholistic. Well the wholistic dentist I started with here when I moved to this area sold his practice and silly me, its any old dentist who has the money and he could care less about a bunch of whinney sensitive patients. (probably how he saw it. )Some of the plastics are very toxic which the Cliffords then labels as "s" for generally safe and "ns" for not safe. Avoid the latter. Wholistics dentist usually won't replace amalgams with more amagams so if you want to keep those or only want those, then go to a regular dentist who does those. When they get ready to do the composites, they are white always, watch out and find a Wholistic dentist to do those. At least for me it was an issue. Lynn, I can tell you that I would have had a ton of plaque in 25 years and no teeth. I am trying oil pulling and after a year will report in on it maybe. I am a month into and see the dentist in two weeks. They say it really reduces plaque. I have never had orthopedic surgery but anything in the body your immune system has to deal with. Recently had severe hip pain and joint pain with a supplement that was in a formula I take: Serrata Peptidase. Watch out for that one. Can raise B.P. in some and cause severe joint pains and problems. Not everything that is alternative is good. Take care, 22122
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Post by Lynn on Feb 14, 2012 4:57:31 GMT -5
Hi 22 I hear you on the hip. I am not in no big hurry to have a fake one put in. My hubby would flip if I were to put the breaks on full. He would not understand. the last specialist that created me a hip socket out of my pelvis and help in with pins and staples. I still have a staple making its way down the outside of the bone. So sense age 13 I have had this staple slowly traveling downward and is almost to my knee. I wonder what material that staple is made of and if I should have made a big stink about it being inside the body. Back before I knew I was having Morg symptoms and coming down with Morgellons and my teeth were receding. I found a tooth soap that cleaned up my teeth really good and I no longer have receding gums. Eight years later when I had the one deep filled tooth start swelling my mouth shut the dentist insisted I have my teeth cleaned before he would give me what I wanted. Instead of a root canal to have the alagram replaced. They were so shocked that someone who rarely flossed had so very little to clean. The tooth soap did that for me real nice and healed my gums. I think that is why I have very little trouble with the disease in my mouth compared to other things. I brush my teeth for about 3 minutes if not longer twice a day and the tooth soap does act like a pull (oil pull). I have to be careful not to use to much or brush too hard because it will break open the skin. I think though the skin in the mouth being to easily broken is part of morgellons because I had never had a problem like that before and before tooth soap I went through a scary time were the slight hard rub would break the skin open in my mouth. Back when the tooth first started to act up and I was going through Morgellons symptoms and had no clue to what was coming. I had even back then had to make sure the tooth brush did not rub to harshly again the inside of the mouth. I love to make a pop noise with my finger. That would rip the inside of the cheek open into a sore. Now I can do that pop noise without anything ripping open. I believe the tooth soap corrected that problem to a certain point also. Got to get back to bed and try and sleep. In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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