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Post by toni on Mar 17, 2012 16:45:58 GMT -5
Me too. They should have an open mind for every suggestion, but perhaps something or someone ( "they") are holding them back. There is so much crap going on in the world that our governments are trying to hush up..... There is some movement in the Netherlands about all kinds of medical devices. ( implants, injectables, artificial joints etc.) Two days ago I asked my doctor for a referral to check my breast implants. He refused because they still look intact. Without his referral my insurence won't pay for research and I don't have money to pay for it myself. I am worried sick, because there is bisphenol a in dental adhesives. Bisphenol a softens hard plastics. It makes hard pvc so soft and weak that they can make raincoats from it. What if the adhesive/bpa softens the packages from my implants?? It is so frustrating and scary that doctors can be so ignorant.... I wish I knew ten years ago what I know now about all these materials and how they can interact with eachother. I wish I just accepted myself the way I was..... Hi Elizabeth, If I can help relieve your worries, and well...I can't make a "factual" statement about your implants, because I don't know if we have the same thing or not, but, what I can say is, as for my teeth first- I've had fillings in some of my back teeth since I was a teen, and have the white composite in them which replaced all that silver filling that was first used, and I have breast implants too, and have since my 20's without any problem. But, who knows really what's going on, so I do understand your concern. And if anything is "hurting them" you'll know by - how do I say this? By "deflation" . Then they'd need removed asap. My first ones I had for 23 years before that "deflating thing happened" as some of the saline leaked out - and then I got them re-done in 01 and all has been fine even all through this morgs mess. I hope that can help give you some peace of mind, because I know there's nothing worse (except Morgs) than to have to worry about extra stuff mingling with other things in our body.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Mar 17, 2012 17:21:40 GMT -5
Thanks Toni, your words mean a lot to me. The tight chest feeling worries me sometimes and I was wondering if the implants could be a part of this. But then again, sufferers without breast implants also experience this feeling. I better stop reading scientific literature for a while ;D
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Mar 18, 2012 0:57:57 GMT -5
I just want a whole bunch of intelligent people communicating without the researchers or government involved - simple really. Thanks Tony without researchers.... could you clarify what you're saying here please thanks...
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Post by bb on Mar 18, 2012 8:56:16 GMT -5
For the dental problems, please try "oil pulling". This has helped me a lot. Google this for more info. I would also recommend zapping for dental problems, as well as tremendously reducing the population of this scourge. After using the zapper a few times, I zapped for an hour in desperation. I felt thousands of things popping out of my skin on my face. Then I began to literally feel worms crawling out from between my teeth. I began mashing them between my teeth in a desperate attempt to kill them, and I then tasted them. It tasted the way fishing worms smell. I apologize if this is scaring anyone, but it really happened to me. zap.intergate.ca/--------------- Acacian Immolation, I went to Dr. Martin's clincial trial for UV light with red dye as a treatment for herpes and possibly for morgellons. Several others with morgs went. It did help me and now I do color therapy at home. It simply helps you to be healthier, to heal faster, and the morgs reacts strongly to it. I was pulling them off of my skin by the dozens as we left his clinic after 5 days of 5 treatments. At home, I used color therapy on my computer (see below) and felt them coming out of my eyes and ears by the droves. When I used the LightRelief pad for the first time, I felt crawling by the droves away from the light on my back. I felt the same tingling in my mouth and teeth as I did at the clinic, which Dr. Martin said this means it is working. The morgs fibers sticking out of lesions glow no matter where the light is placed on your body. I didn't have fibers sticking out of lesions at the time so I didn't witness this. Dr. Martin called me as a follow up to my visit to his clinic. He is a wonderful, intelligent, open-minded man. He said he enjoyed our conversation and was amazed at MY INTELLIGENCE AND COMMON SENSE. I almost cried to hear those words from a doctor and researcher. It was very validating. He was amazed that I am getting the same results with LED and infrared lights, as he is getting with the more dangerous UV lights. COLOR THERAPY is about using COLOR frequencies to speed up healing. You don't even have to use lights! Light therapy can cause fever blister outbreaks. This means it is working on the herpes virus. Over time, it should heal your body of this virus and many other conditions. If you experience any other symptoms (headache, nausea, etc) wait a few days before proceeding. This is a free program for doing color therapy through your eyes on your computer! You can use it for 30 days free, or make a small donation to keep it forever. It is wonderful, I love it. www.mysticboard.com/mb-free-color-therapy/download-mb-free-color-therapy.htmlAlso, you can drink color therapy: www.lightandcolour.net/colour/what.htmlGreat info on color therapy: www.health-science-spirit.com/colourtherapy.htmlThere is a great light for about $80 at www.lightrelief.com/ that has both LED and infrared lights, but you can do color therapy with other lights pretty cheaply. Many types of lights are used in light therapy including lasers, LED, fluorescent lamps, and ultraviolet radiation or infrared radiation. We are experimenting with the LED light on the skin because it is safe. You don't have to use dangerous UV! CHECK OUT E-BAY or Craigslist for cheaper prices on the LightRelief. This light pad even helped stop an oncoming hemorrhoid in 20 minutes, saving my weekend at a motorcycle rally!
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Post by Lynn on Mar 18, 2012 10:17:55 GMT -5
Hi BB I am with you on the oil pulling. In the thick of the disease I did some of that and my tooth soap which acts like an oil pull helped get the mouth under control. The bugs were always trying to go into the mouth and the oil pulls and tooth soap kept them out 80 percent of the time and slowly whacked it down to 95 percent. I fallowed your link and found one of my favorite actresses using the zap for Lymes. Do you think she was ever a member at the Lymes board of this forum. Karen Allen phiyakushi.com/miracles/2010/05/16/karen-allen-lyme-disease/ Would love to read her post when she went through her ordeal. Most who go through Lymes seem to stumble or know about Morgellons so I wonder if she knows and what she thinks about Morgellons. Thanks for the link and also the one Homeworld left on another post. Good articles today. In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Mar 19, 2012 21:44:28 GMT -5
For the dental problems, please try "oil pulling". This has helped me a lot. Google this for more info. I would also recommend zapping for dental problems, as well as tremendously reducing the population of this scourge. After using the zapper a few times, I zapped for an hour in desperation. I felt thousands of things popping out of my skin on my face. Then I began to literally feel worms crawling out from between my teeth. I began mashing them between my teeth in a desperate attempt to kill them, and I then tasted them. It tasted the way fishing worms smell. I apologize if this is scaring anyone, but it really happened to me. zap.intergate.ca/--------------- Acacian Immolation, I went to Dr. Martin's clincial trial for UV light with red dye as a treatment for herpes and possibly for morgellons. Several others with morgs went. It did help me and now I do color therapy at home. It simply helps you to be healthier, to heal faster, and the morgs reacts strongly to it. I was pulling them off of my skin by the dozens as we left his clinic after 5 days of 5 treatments. At home, I used color therapy on my computer (see below) and felt them coming out of my eyes and ears by the droves. When I used the LightRelief pad for the first time, I felt crawling by the droves away from the light on my back. I felt the same tingling in my mouth and teeth as I did at the clinic, which Dr. Martin said this means it is working. The morgs fibers sticking out of lesions glow no matter where the light is placed on your body. I didn't have fibers sticking out of lesions at the time so I didn't witness this. Dr. Martin called me as a follow up to my visit to his clinic. He is a wonderful, intelligent, open-minded man. He said he enjoyed our conversation and was amazed at MY INTELLIGENCE AND COMMON SENSE. I almost cried to hear those words from a doctor and researcher. It was very validating. He was amazed that I am getting the same results with LED and infrared lights, as he is getting with the more dangerous UV lights. COLOR THERAPY is about using COLOR frequencies to speed up healing. You don't even have to use lights! Light therapy can cause fever blister outbreaks. This means it is working on the herpes virus. Over time, it should heal your body of this virus and many other conditions. If you experience any other symptoms (headache, nausea, etc) wait a few days before proceeding. This is a free program for doing color therapy through your eyes on your computer! You can use it for 30 days free, or make a small donation to keep it forever. It is wonderful, I love it. www.mysticboard.com/mb-free-color-therapy/download-mb-free-color-therapy.htmlAlso, you can drink color therapy: www.lightandcolour.net/colour/what.htmlGreat info on color therapy: www.health-science-spirit.com/colourtherapy.htmlThere is a great light for about $80 at www.lightrelief.com/ that has both LED and infrared lights, but you can do color therapy with other lights pretty cheaply. Many types of lights are used in light therapy including lasers, LED, fluorescent lamps, and ultraviolet radiation or infrared radiation. We are experimenting with the LED light on the skin because it is safe. You don't have to use dangerous UV! CHECK OUT E-BAY or Craigslist for cheaper prices on the LightRelief. This light pad even helped stop an oncoming hemorrhoid in 20 minutes, saving my weekend at a motorcycle rally! so great! glad to hear someone who has read all his studies on the fibers and peer reviewed journals as at least someone who's putting a DEFINITION to what they are and how they react to stimuli. great work with the color-light therapy.. i think these are what is necessary.. even Dr. Hildy Stanninger is using far-infrared.. (which is a version of light) ... what a coincidence.. and she used to work for the ARMY! might tell a few things in the right direction there...
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Post by bb on Mar 21, 2012 5:31:58 GMT -5
I was also using an infrared sauna, until it broke down. It was really helping me fight this thing. It wasn't lights, it is ceramic heaters, but the heat seemed to kill out some of it each time.
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Post by tony280162 on Mar 22, 2012 10:44:10 GMT -5
Hi Dianna
Thanks for the reply and to everyone else but I am still getting through your replies and dont want to double up on Itchins research as she knows so much more than I do about what is rubbish to read on links and what is not - but the link from Cliff Carnicom on March 14th was spot on. And I quote
"...Proteins, upon discovery of uniqueness, are themselves patentable and are the basis of much of the pharmaceutical industry. This exists as a controversial subject in its own right. With the proper equipment and resources, many of the questions and problems posed by the topic of this paper could be answered directly and promptly.
Proteins are classically designated as the “building blocks” of nature. It is quite common for approximately one-half of the composition of an organism to be of proteins. Understanding this aspect of the filament nature of the Morgellons condition is obviously of the highest priority of any biochemical research project; to date, however, this information has been essentially non-existent or scant.
A recent report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) raises the ante of this controversy by themselves declaring a significant percentage of the materials studied to be composed of proteins. The report subsequently proceeds to ignore any direct presentation of laboratory results and strategically use terms such as “likely” and “similar” versus a direct presentation of chemical composition to the molecular level, as is required..."
He is 100% correct - and that is why I asked the initial question - but I am confused a little
CDC stands for Center for Disease Control ! CDC should stand for Center for Disease Confusion ! CDC are not rocket scientist's - they are idiots ! I wonder if the staff at the CDC did Biology/Chemistry 101 ? CDC should have purchased a MUCH longer rope - so they get out of the bigger hole they are digging for themselves ! The word patent was mentioned in Mr Carnicom's paper - BINGO - there is your answer !!!!!!!!!
I will go now for the time being - but I would like to quote from Mr Carnicom's paper one last time - should read it - it is great.
I quote "...The ludicrousness of the CDC report and the abject failure to adhere to the principles of scientific resolution will not be discussed further here..."
Need I say more
Thanks for your time Tony
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Post by dianna5 on Mar 24, 2012 22:10:47 GMT -5
Tony, I'm glad Carnicom's work was of help to you. There is a wealth of research at that site which is very comprehensive and informative. As I read, I sense a sincere approach to the research to let the work take it's own course, not tailor it to fit a pre-determined conclusion or agenda. There is one paper, The Breath of a Decade... with much info on the filaments... carnicominstitute.org/articles/bio2010-1.htmBy asking questions here, you showed great support to my new friend Itchen and I applaud your public foray into the boards for info and communication... Good deal Tony. Feel free to ask me anything anytime or to share info you may come upon. More and better communication betwixt and between us all can only help when seeking out the truth bro. God Bless, Dianna
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Post by tony280162 on Mar 25, 2012 23:21:32 GMT -5
Hi Dianna I will look into this paper - because all I have heard from Itchin is incredible over the many years - because there is no point doubling up on the reading and research. Thanks for your support and how do you like my Avatar - Picture tells a 1000 words doesn't it. Just give me some time - I do most of my stuff when I get home from work at 2.00am in morn - because that is the main time I dont have to book my own computer - lol Tony
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Post by dianna5 on Mar 26, 2012 1:18:15 GMT -5
Tony,
Anything you read will help you to assimilate and connect what you have heard dear Itchen say over the years. Get all the info you can. I started mostly with Carnicom and the progression of his papers are evident. How sad we have to back engineer armed with crappy microscopes and no funding! That is how it is now... Later it will be different, I believe.
If you like sci-fi movies or books, you won't be able to stop researching...But if you don't mind, let ask something from the heart- Why guys, does it take years... ? Honestly, I just would like to know from a man's perspective since my husband is taking a few years to deal with what is going on here too and you can't relate unless you can relate.... Yes, all this is incredible and incongruous, but unfortunately, it is also true.
Go for it and later, you can tell my husband what you learned, if I can pry him away from the soccer matches... He is from Argentina, so I know I can always cook a steak! lol
Dianna
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Post by Lynn on Mar 26, 2012 9:22:59 GMT -5
Hi Tony
Very rarely do we see hubby's on board and that Avatar I Like It! Glad to see the spouses input at times. What made you decide to believe Itchen? My husband helps me through this also, but is clueless as to what he wants to believe. He leans towards the skin condition and not a disease. Almost 3 years into this and he does not believe yet that it is bugs and a disease that attracts them. He is confused because he also can not tell that I am better then when the big out break happened. Back then crying every day for God to kill me, covered in scratch marks that I did not make and dry lesions and bug bites.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Lynn on Mar 26, 2012 9:39:28 GMT -5
Hi paesano Dianna
You are wonderful to watch as you suck up all the info from these sites. Faster then a lot of brain fogged people. I like that and wish I could absorb info that way.
Funny about the husband thing. Mine has no idea either what is really going on and limits how much I am able to show him articles on line and never really knows what to believe but has helped me each step of the way with dealing with it physically and emotionally. He still suggest from time to time that it is a skin condition. It is like we talk all the time about how I went from always bare foot and shorts year around to wearing a jacket year around and still being cold in 100 degree weather while wearing a jacket. Things I went through and got through and done with and he still thinks it is a skin disease.
Sometimes it is frustrating to talk with him and have not much energy for anything and have to use that energy to be patient and yet again remind him of stages I went through that had nothing to do with the skin. If he would just read some of the articles he might be able to peace it all together better, but he has no patients for all the what ifs that is almost always mixed in. Like Mites, and Chem-trails, to GMO foods. I think he really does not want any part of that.
To bad you live so far. We could get them together and maybe a pow wow session would enlighten them. lol.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by tony280162 on Mar 26, 2012 15:51:26 GMT -5
Hi Everyone Let me tell you all something upfront - just so I dont get any one off -side ( nothing to do with soccer ) I can be very blunt sometimes and on the other hand a real idiot - but I have a head on my shoulders like you all do. So in saying that - here goes No - I had no friggin clue what itchin is/was/will go through - BUT as long as my arse points to the ground - I HAVE SEEN it all. If Anyone tries to tell me it is DOP or anything else like that crap that is the DSM bullshit bible - lookout. Tell all your husbands or partners or whoever - to just listen and open there eyes. And the doctors are not GODS - ask questions and if the answer is not satisfactory in their eyes ask more questions - Tony's definition of a doctor - "Very Smart people - Rich families to pay for fees - 6+ years of schooling - NOT GODS - They are very smart people with often their own agenda but often and obviously trapped or bound by the Government bureaucracy which ever country you live in. " I am not ragging on doctors but - for F#%#%# sake - tell them to wake up and get their head from up their arse Tony I warned you I could be BLUNT
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Post by tony280162 on Mar 26, 2012 22:59:12 GMT -5
Hi Everyone
Please help me here - I am a new person to this LB forum. As I said if I upset anyone I am sorry - I am not here to cause grief, just find some possible solutions - if any.
Itchin's Blood has finally headed off to Igenex "after I tore a new ahole from the doctors surgery" "Still in fridge after 3 weeks" - I am furious and so is Itchin - thank GOD I took the call not her. You would have heard her from wherever you live.
Regarding Husbands/Partners/Whatever/Wifes We are all built differently - I bet all the females on this board dont give a S%#% about tools but their partners might. I know I don't give a S%#% about laundry but Itchin does
Hope you know where I am coming from - Give everyone an even break - life is too short to bitch at the ones you love
Tony
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Post by tony280162 on Mar 27, 2012 0:46:50 GMT -5
Hi Ginna Glad to make your acquittance That was my thought as well - what should I do ? we do not have an Igenex in Australia that is why we are sending the bloods to CA . But I was assured by the doctor - because I asked that specific question " ... will her bloods be compromised and I was assured 100% NO - I didn't really believe her but hey I am just a simple Engineer who can see through all the BS that is going on. It is going to cost between $600 - $1600 USD for this test which we cant afford but we have. ? Tony - getting more teed off by the second She also got her RIckettsia results back - Negative - surprise surprise especially when I can prove (on a written piece of paper ) that her whatever they call them were greater than 512 GO figure - who is lying to me here - I need some help from an expert Please Thanks a lot Tony
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Post by Lynn on Mar 27, 2012 10:04:27 GMT -5
Hi Tony
Did someone sound upset? Hey I love tools. Use to fix my own car when ever it broke down. Did not matter what broke on it either. I would figure it out. Going to figure out how to get all the way well also.
I hope the test will be accurate. So many times among the herbal companies testing this or that seems to be such a tricky thing. I always read about at those type of sites how some test fluctuate and need to be taken at different time over a period of time. Like the Thyroid. I saw about parents more then once take stool samples of their kids with big ole worms squirming alive and the test would come back negative but the Dr.s were smart enough to believe their own eyes and treat for worms. Even though we got to test we have to again be smarter then the medical world and know if a test can be accurate. Same with the Lyme test. So many report only one lab that will get accurate results from the blood test for Lyme's.
Hope very much though things would just start to go more smoothly. In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by ginna898 on Mar 27, 2012 13:23:18 GMT -5
Tony, What I would do is to call IGENEX and tell them to CANCEL the lab test and wait for NEW Fresh blood. Yes, they take payment First..... let them keep your payment and use it on the 2nd blood draw. That is what I would do. I am so sorry for the troubles Itchen is going thru and I will be praying for her.
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Post by ginna898 on Mar 27, 2012 13:29:09 GMT -5
Contact Info: igenex.com/Website/IGeneX, Inc. 795 San Antonio Rd Palo Alto, CA 94303 800.832.3200 650.424.1191 650.424.1196 Fax ---------------------------------------- I have called and they even let me talk with the Doctor there. He was most friendly and freely gave information regarding the tests that they run. He is not there everyday, I was just lucky and caught him on the day. You can, however; leave a message and he will return your call or since you are overseas ---- give an email with your questions. On the "Contact Us" page (link provided above) a message can be sent where you can give your email address requesting answers. Though I would CALL TODAY and make them aware that you would like the blood thrown away and request that they use your money to test the 2nd blood arrival.
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Post by tony280162 on Mar 27, 2012 16:59:48 GMT -5
Hi All We have had another morning waking in anger - which is not good for this disease at all. Itchin's blood was stored in the doctors surgery since 29th Feb - and only yesterday when I spoke to the receptionist did she admit they F%#%$#% up . So I rang Igenex to confirm whether Itchin's blood would be compromised . Ginna said she spoke to a doctor at Igenex (thankyou Ginna) but I did as well . They said to me that if the bloods are refrigerated properly they will not spoil, I assume the doctor's surgery knows what they are F#^$%^$ doing. I have RED FLAGGED with Igenex Itchin's name and phone and email address because it sounds like "THE MUPPET LABS......" Not Igenex but our expert/incompetent doctors which just want the money And I love the Muppet's but they are all puppets aren't they - I am about to blow a BUTT fuse and Itchin already has . Did any of you hear Itchin explode about 8.00am Aus time this morning - look on the the seismic www site for Melbourne, Australia - Richter 9 I would say Total joke and incompetence from a so called professional doctor - DR Peter Mayne - the expert Tony's definition of expert - " Ex (x) is an an unknown quantity or variable" " Spert is a DRIP under pressure" I know the spelling doesn't really match but it fits the cause I am just about to lose my plot as well - as they say in TOP GUN - "I want someone's BUTT and I want IT NOW!!" Cya all Tony
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