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Post by itchin4answers on Mar 16, 2012 11:56:09 GMT -5
Hi Everyone
My name is Tony and I am Itchin's partner. I am an Electronic Engineer and I know a little about a lot of stuff. But the fibres that I have seen and witnessed come out are very weird - AKA Lyme/Morgellons/I don't know - now Itchin knows her stuff and she said " No one knows what they are ..." That's OK - but has anyone had them actually analysed by a machine similar to a "Mass spectrometer or AA or similar machine" I used to sell into that industry and the machines they use can find out the Structure of something that is ancient - GO Figure -
I understand that everyone chemistry is different but if it sounds like a duck and quacks then it must be a duck - although every duck sounds different .
So my simple question is - has anyone paid cash to rent (with relevant expert technician) to analyse these fibres - no research - no doctors - ALL privately done . I would love to see any results.
Thanks Tony
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Post by dianna5 on Mar 16, 2012 15:44:29 GMT -5
Hi Tony, I am not sure if this will be of help... but wanted to send it over to you...Professor Citovsky's work provided a bit of analysis- www.morgellons.org/suny.htmAlso there are many papers at Carnicom Institute where Clifford Carnicom has initiated his own studies of fibers, their growth and development and made his finding available to the publice via his website. There is over a decade of testing and analysis breaking down complex info into material more easily read by the lay person. The first link below is the most recent paper from 3/8/12 and the second an overview of the work by date. www.carnicominstitute.org/articles/proteincomplex.htmlcarnicominstitute.org/articles/bio2011-7.htmI have waded through most up to the papers, but not for 2012... Guess I will be learning about proteinaceous complexes! Thanks so much for asking questions.... I have to say, I do wish my husband showed more of an interest... God Bless, Dianna
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Post by dianna5 on Mar 16, 2012 15:47:24 GMT -5
Also, Tony how much do you think it would cost to do such testing, and do you know of somewhere to have it done?
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Post by elizabeth67 on Mar 16, 2012 15:48:08 GMT -5
Hi Tony, and nice to meet you. In 2008 I've send some fibers to Intertek Polychem. They did a FTIR but the outcome was not very clear. It said that it was a polymer, could be artificial ( polyamide) or natural ( polypeptide) They advised me to run a mass spec. but this is to expensive for me ( 700 euro for 1 fiber ) I am for sure that my fibers are artificial. ( dental monomer became polymer) wp.me/s1tqIo-2085 ( link to infra red spectra, click to enlarge ) wp.me/p1tqIo-vq ( fibers that came from my fillings _ wp.me/p1tqIo-uh ( fiber from neck / extracted wisdom tooth) wp.me/p1tqIo-w3 ( fibers from gums / piece of composite came out of my gums 4 years after fillings ) wp.me/p1tqIo-wY ( piece of composite came from filling, next day a large fluf came out of my scalp ) wp.me/s1tqIo-31 ( my dental adventure written in Dutch but all the scientific literature is in English/ lots of pics )
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Post by elizabeth67 on Mar 16, 2012 16:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by simone on Mar 16, 2012 16:45:29 GMT -5
I think Skizit did a video on fibers if I'm correct...I will check.
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Post by Lynn on Mar 16, 2012 21:40:42 GMT -5
Elizabeth
To see your pics all together in a group I get such sympathy pains. I wish this stuff would leave out of the head zone. It is such a terrible touchy area. So close to the brain. I feel so bad for what you are going through. I know you have probably said in the past, but has the dentist seen all these fiber and how its lifting your teeth. Did they conveniently but on blinders and ignore anything you pointed out.
Oh God please help us defeat this mess.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Mar 17, 2012 0:23:48 GMT -5
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Mar 17, 2012 0:28:12 GMT -5
then of course there's this ol vid....
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Post by elizabeth67 on Mar 17, 2012 4:58:18 GMT -5
Hi Lynn. All the dentist that I've seen are ignoring me and my pictures Two weeks ago I send a cd rom/my research to a dental school after asking their permission to send it. Some doctor responded to it. He was impressed with all the info and pic. but he said that his knowledge about material adverse reaction was not big enough to give me answers. He said that I should visit Acta ( another dental school, they are world leaders in material science!!!) I've already been there in 2008. They said that it was impossible that the adhesive caused my problems, because dentist don't apply this material with a syringe.....In other words, I am a lyer??? This is a major hush up......and they all are covering up mistakes/ accidents to avoid lawsuits. All these bio materials that are used in the past 50 years are all crap and can make people very sick. Morgellons is man made.
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Post by Lynn on Mar 17, 2012 5:13:42 GMT -5
Hi Elizabeth
What a very naive and stupid dentist. When I went to an orthodontist to get help for my TMJ he told me I was not remembering right about how my wisdom teeth were taken out. My mouth was swollen open and I could only slide eggs easy over down my throat and drinks. They had took a chisel and mallet and broke my wisdom teeth to get them out. When they gave me an adult dosage of pain meds I had a bad enough reaction that they discussed sending me to the emergency room, but then waited until the reactions subsided and then went to work. My brain was so bruised against my skull I had to stay literally knocked out for 3 days and I could not even let one pain pill ware off before taking another and I have a very high thresh hold on pain so that is saying something.
Okay so when this Orthodontist goes through the ex rays to see about my TMJ he finds out there is nothing he can do because the joint that holds the jaw in place on the left side is gone. Then he realized and acknowledged that they destroy my jaw from that pounding with the chisel and mallet. He said in the seventy's dentist that were not very good would do that sort of thing, but this happened in the 80s. So he was very surprised and said had I known better I could have sued.
So the mixture of chemicals in your mouth which are toxic may be very compatible with Morgellons causing this awful situation your in. Its a wonder they do not want to explore to find out why the reaction is taking place.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by bannanny on Mar 17, 2012 9:13:25 GMT -5
Hi guys... and thank you so much Tony, for being the man you are to our sweet itchin.
Anyhoo, just wanted to throw in here that Dr. Wymore had the fibers analyzed by the FBI forensic database... and they never found a match to any of the 1000's of fibers known and documented in that database. So that says alot... but not enough for sure.
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Post by violet on Mar 17, 2012 9:40:29 GMT -5
Hi Everyone My name is Tony and I am Itchin's partner. I am an Electronic Engineer and I know a little about a lot of stuff. But the fibres that I have seen and witnessed come out are very weird - AKA Lyme/Morgellons/I don't know - now Itchin knows her stuff and she said " No one knows what they are ..." That's OK - but has anyone had them actually analysed by a machine similar to a "Mass spectrometer or AA or similar machine" I used to sell into that industry and the machines they use can find out the Structure of something that is ancient - GO Figure - I understand that everyone chemistry is different but if it sounds like a duck and quacks then it must be a duck - although every duck sounds different . So my simple question is - has anyone paid cash to rent (with relevant expert technician) to analyse these fibres - no research - no doctors - ALL privately done . I would love to see any results. ThanksTony Tony and all: Blast analysis was done a year or so ago by Dr. Randy Wymore of the Oklahoma State Morgellons Research group. This was a very thorough and expensive test done, and it was paid for from donations made by other Morgies. You all would be very wise and helped to keep up with his research and that and other information shared on the Charles E. Holman Foundation's web site. You are missing very, very important findings that are done by professionals who are trained in what they are doing and know how to read the results. The annual Morgellons conferences which are organized by the Holman Foundation are also a great resource of shared information by many who are involved in all sorts of Morgellons research. Honestly, I cannot for the life of me understand why you will not in some way take advantage of reading about what is on that site!! Can someone please explain this to me? (Can you tell I'm frustrated? ) :-)
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Post by elizabeth67 on Mar 17, 2012 10:34:33 GMT -5
Hi Violet.
I emailed my dental story and info some time ago to them. They could not see my point. I am for sure that they are doing the best they can to help sorting M out, but in my case they gave me the feeling that I was talking to one of my doctors/dentist. I'm sorry, because I don't want to say bad things about the CHF, or other researchers, but this is how I feel.
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Post by violet on Mar 17, 2012 10:41:49 GMT -5
Hi Violet. I emailed my dental story and info some time ago to them. They could not see my point. I am for sure that they are doing the best they can to help sorting M out, but in my case they gave me the feeling that I was talking to one of my doctors/dentist. I'm sorry, because I don't want to say bad things about the CHF, or other researchers, but this is how I feel. I know how frustrating your situation has been for you, Elizabeth. I'm so sorry you're having trouble gettting an ear and open mind to help you out. I wonder what Dr. Wymore's feelings would be about your situation. Have you specifically asked if he could read what was sent? (Or perhaps he did?) It's very hard for me to understand how any morgs organization can not consider every angle of this thing we have.
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Post by homeworld on Mar 17, 2012 10:55:08 GMT -5
...the CEHF Jan 2012 newsletter says that they are calling for biopsy reports for them to study.. thecehf.org/newsletter-january-2012.html....partial cut n' paste of announcement:.... Important Announcement The CEHF is collecting biopsy pathology reports on Morgellons patients for a research project. If you have ever had a tissue biopsy, even if the biopsy was done before you developed symptoms of Morgellons, please contribute the report to the CEHF as we have a researcher interested in doing some comparison studies. It doesn't matter at all what the results of the biopsy show and the report(s) can be submitted anonymously if you prefer. Just cover the name and medical record number as well as any other identifying information. Or you can send it 'as is' and we assure that your personal information will be kept anonymous. Either way is just fine.
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Post by itchin4answers on Mar 17, 2012 12:38:18 GMT -5
Thanks to all - your comments are well worth reading - just got home from work - its late and can't absorb it all at the moment. We are heading to the seaside for a 3 day break and will de-stress and have some fun and will look at all your replies and answer accordingly. You are a very tight knit community and don't want to upset anyone - I just want a whole bunch of intelligent people communicating without the researchers or government involved - simple really.
Thanks Tony
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Post by elizabeth67 on Mar 17, 2012 13:04:00 GMT -5
Me too. They should have an open mind for every suggestion, but perhaps something or someone ( "they") are holding them back. There is so much crap going on in the world that our governments are trying to hush up..... There is some movement in the Netherlands about all kinds of medical devices. ( implants, injectables, artificial joints etc.) Two days ago I asked my doctor for a referral to check my breast implants. He refused because they still look intact. Without his referral my insurence won't pay for research and I don't have money to pay for it myself. I am worried sick, because there is bisphenol a in dental adhesives. Bisphenol a softens hard plastics. It makes hard pvc so soft and weak that they can make raincoats from it. What if the adhesive/bpa softens the packages from my implants?? It is so frustrating and scary that doctors can be so ignorant.... I wish I knew ten years ago what I know now about all these materials and how they can interact with eachother. I wish I just accepted myself the way I was.....
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Post by violet on Mar 17, 2012 13:11:51 GMT -5
Thanks to all - your comments are well worth reading - just got home from work - its late and can't absorb it all at the moment. We are heading to the seaside for a 3 day break and will de-stress and have some fun and will look at all your replies and answer accordingly. You are a very tight knit community and don't want to upset anyone - I just want a whole bunch of intelligent people communicating without the researchers or government involved - simple really. ThanksTony Hi, Tony. You haven't upset anyone! I was impressed that you came onto the LB and posted, and I'm sure Itchin appreciates your support in trying to help. I hope I didn't offend you in the strength of my post in which I was frustrated! Sorry if I did. :-) Have a wonderful time away!
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Post by violet on Mar 17, 2012 13:22:20 GMT -5
Me too. They should have an open mind for every suggestion, but perhaps something or someone ( "they") are holding them back. There is so much crap going on in the world that our governments are trying to hush up..... It's so hard to know. But I don't think the Holman group is holding ANYTHING back--truly. In fact, just the opposite is the case. They are very big on oollaboration. Maybe it would help if you contact them again. I think you had said that one of your docs recently did begin to understand? Maybe pass that on to them. And maybe it might help to let them know you understand if they can't address it right away if they are focusing in hard on other aspects of the condition. I know that they are all overwhelmed with all that needs to be done, but the press ahead no matter what. Cindy Casey, for instance, has a terrible case of Morgs and has for a long time. But she gives herself constantly to an unbelievable effort on many fronts which she knows will help us all. She is really valiently moving forward in every way she can to help. I honestly don't know how she does it. In addition to that, she lost her husband a few years ago, very suddenly. He was a mover and a shaker in working hard for us all, too. So it was a big loss for her in many ways, and a big loss to our whole community.There is some movement in the Netherlands about all kinds of medical devices. ( implants, injectables, artificial joints etc.) Two days ago I asked my doctor for a referral to check my breast implants. He refused because they still look intact. Without his referral my insurence won't pay for research and I don't have money to pay for it myself. I am worried sick, because there is bisphenol a in dental adhesives. Bisphenol a softens hard plastics. It makes hard pvc so soft and weak that they can make raincoats from it. What if the adhesive/bpa softens the packages from my implants?? It is so frustrating and scary that doctors can be so ignorant.... I wish I knew ten years ago what I know now about all these materials and how they can interact with each other. I wish I just accepted myself the way I was..... color=Red] Aw.... Have you considered doing a very detailed and thorough search on the internet to try to find out about your concern? Do you have information on the exact material or name of the product that was used? I imagine you have already done that, though. I'm pretty sure that 10 years ago doctors knew and were hopefully careful about bisphenol a. It does weigh heavily though as to whether the surgeon was diligent about that.
I'm just so sorry you have such a worry.[/color]
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