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Post by toni on Jun 30, 2012 9:29:41 GMT -5
I know we've talked about this subject before, but the last couple of days I've really "knuckled under" in reading what I could find out about this subject on: Does putting clothing into the washer really kill critters? NOPE, it really really doesn't. Even when a washer is set on HOT, 30% of critters can survive it, ticks etc. In fact, ticks have survived one hour submerged under water too. When oils, such as tea tree, or eucalyptus oil etc... are added to the washing machine, does that kill critters? NOPE. Not unless the clothing is *saturated* in those products, which we'd need gallons of it for one wash, so that's not realistic either and nor is just added a few drops of anything to an entire wash. The few drops of oils added to any wash, is only good for "smell sake". What's the BEST way to kill critters, and (ones we may not see)? HEAT. Yes, heat. Leaving clothing or sheets or anything IN THE DRYER on a high heat for about 1 hr, is what can kill even the most protected critter. Make sure your dryer vent is good and clear, (just a safety precaution). I myself haven't seen any bugs, (except demodex mites) and that was enough to get me going on what and how to safely kill off anything I might not even see in the laundry. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071006083356.htm
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Post by toni on Jun 30, 2012 11:43:37 GMT -5
It's awful you're experiencing all that BB. I'm sure sorry.
I sure do agree that "heat" doesn't kill the morgs "things".. but for those that are having real live insect problems, and adding drops of this or that to their washing machines in order to kill the insects - they might want to try the hot dryer and save the oils for something else.
BB, that black fiber like looking thing is interesting and a shame as it seems like it 'bit you'. I had a long black *like a hair* or something stick me in the left eye once, and that burned like a hot coal for 15 min. How weird is that? There must be something to those black fibers. I sure don't know, but we know what we see and what we feel is for real.
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Post by Lynn on Jun 30, 2012 12:11:57 GMT -5
Hi BB
I remember those days of soaking clothes and upping the temp on the hot water heater and washing every day and drying clothes extra long periods of time and it hardly put a dent in the attacks except a bigger dent in our income.
It was not until I went a little back to semi normal. Washing clothes when needed but with some tweaking here and there. Like undressing in the shower and bagging dirty clothes. Later I found gently shaking clothes over sink to get all the specks out before bagging them in plastic bag with moth balls and changing bag once a week. Wash them with a strong enzyme soap. Bio-Kleen Premium Powder. The only thing I do not like about that company is that they make their regular Bio-Kleen in the same exact box and like a few here used it by mistake and got buggier.
I have a softener ball that I fill up with white distilled Vinegar to throw in the wash. I use hot settling, but have the hot water heater back to where it is suppose to be. If I remember it took a few month to get the clothes to where I did not get bit. Then to help keep them from finding me and getting into my clothes while waring them I do a mustard spray with a pump sprayer that you would use for killing insects. Hold 2 gals. I mix a mustard solution with white distilled vinegar and other items to spray clothes and hang on a rack to dry before I have to use them the next day. It gives me a longer reprieve.
Even though still too much work it is less then before. I so want to be done with this disease. I have to much to do and do disabled to do it all let alone top it off with Morgellons. Venting, venting. I was telling the Chiropractor I think in about twenty years or a little less I hope for my life to be over. I can not see having the stamina as I slowly become more crippled and older to be able to keep up. I feel awful saying this because it is so much easier then when I was first infested. It is all low key, but still because of all my efforts. Like many here if I let up too long on any one thing it starts up a load of old problems. Very frustrating how not only do we loose the pleasure of eating and waring what we want. Loose a lot of our freedom to go out and be in a crowed when we want without a huge effort. But have to keep it a secret that we are ill. We loose tons of freedom and fight like a dog to get in a manageable state. Sorry very frustrated.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by toni on Jun 30, 2012 12:28:48 GMT -5
Lynn, You vent away, it all sure is hard and we all do understand that. And having disabilities ontop of Morgellons? It couldn't get more difficult. You're one incredibly strong gal This scourge is 24/7 for so many, and for every day of every year that goes by, (it) keeps on going - and it is rougher that rough.
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Post by Lynn on Jun 30, 2012 13:17:31 GMT -5
Thank you Toni
I know I will eventually get there, but during moments of weakness I wonder and loose some hope. I guess to much going on around me right now.
Also happens to be a day of laundry and more black specks then usual on the bedding. Very frustrating. My zippered mite cover is speckled also with black specks of various sizes. I need to replace my sticky roller and tackle that.
I cleaned my floor under the bed and got very crippled up. I clean in small stages. For a month on other days over two weeks ago I had been tackling one little section at a time. So this morning I was disgusted when something I could not see jumped up from all the throw rugs on the a wood floor and started stinging me. I spray the bed every morning with Wintergreen Alcohol and by lightly spraying the area around me it stopped the critters from jumping up onto my legs. I only have one wall and floor that needs some attention behind a long dresser, but everything above that and around has been cleaned over a 2 month period of time.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 30, 2012 14:45:58 GMT -5
What I think people do not understand is your chance of being reinfected by somthing that is totally ingrained in every iota of your body is quite fantastic.
The fact that this is a UP and DOWN disease with a BLAST of intence attacks at one point is just the nature of the beast.
I watched as this growing and spreading disease ploped its growths hidden under my skin for so long I know, lesions are TUMORS.
Why do they suddenly spring forth one day when it seemd that they were not there before, you tell me.
I suggest women are more prone to breakouts then men, for some reason, it took 5 YEARS of steroids to accomplish my lesion attack, was it the steroids that made my body climate more like a females, I DON'T KNOW!!
Then anyone saying for sure that they know that hormone type does or does not affect our ability to develope systemic disease would be , how should I say this, WRONG.
I would imagine Torpedolyn that when your not getting any result from what you are doing that you (ADAPT AND OVERCOME) as was said to us in the military.
Simply put if your now getting better your traveling the same road traveled before and getting the same results.
Exersize, quit smoking if you smake, plan good meals, get a juicer, get a blender, a water purity device, stop spending all your time outside your body and spen more time inside.
I hear people say oh I can't exersize, thats bull, everyone that gets their butt out of the chair ALWATS feels better.
You know, stop poisoning your enviroment with all this stuff and maybe just maybe you will find some relief.
I for the most part am very well, looking, my blood pressure was sky high and I may have other internal issues not described here or known to me, but for the most part I went visiting today, I had breakfast in a resturant, picked up a 300 pound concreat pillar by myself and put it where I wanted it to go.
The symptoms come and go, thats the way this disease works, some times the issues are monumental, some times they are garden variety, some times you feel and look ok, do not imagine that this disease responds to your cleaning, it just ain't so.
I am not saying not to be clean, but your time is spent better on what goes into your body and what you do WITH your body.
Yahoo, good for me, please do not make a manic cleaners argument out of this, that is not at all what my post is about
I am suggesting that you adapt AND OVERCOME, if you keep rebuilding your castle out of sand, expect no castle tomorrow.
Rebuild your colon out of food that helps it survive and your body will thrive.
Food processing is the stuff dreams are made out of, exersize builds a new you.
Kojak quote (Who loves ya baby).
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Post by Lynn on Jun 30, 2012 16:14:32 GMT -5
Hi Baraka
Well said and well heard. I do most all you listed. I still need to clean up the diet even more and have to battle the hubby on that one who says my diet does not make a difference and my diet is too expensive and I can get well on the cheap contaminated foods. Hes a meat and potatoes guy.
Sense my left leg has limited motion and 1/4 of the left pelvis is gone. What I can afford to do is exercise bike one leg though I cheat because one leg throws out my whole back and hips and flares up my sciatic nerve. I chair dance, and do some Yoga stretch's, do some belly dance exercise and I clean between intervals of sitting according to how cripple I am that day. I always over due and end up crying in the shower 50 percent of the time.
I am a workaholic and an exerciseaholic. I use to be a weight lifter and had just started to train for arm wrestling when the hip started to take a turn to the bad. I had not entered any contest but told my trainers that was what I wanted to do. On a crew of eight men in Concrete construction I could wrestle six of them down with no problem. Unfortunately I was told by all Doctor to never do anything physical because of my situation with my hip. I was very naughty and cheated very much. Now I am a jello mold. lol I really pine for the days I could lift and throw 100 lb boxes of chicken a foot above my head to stack them in the cooler and feel good afterwards and not feel over taxed or over strained.
Lifting 300 lbs. Wow I am going to dub you Hercules. That is great.
My biggest sin in this game is coffee. I go through stints without it and get better and then one day bang the aroma just calls my name and within 2 to 3 days I give in. Then after one day sometimes two I have done enough damage to make myself completely miserable.
So all is my own fault and is my diet.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 1, 2012 2:17:32 GMT -5
Cool deal, do not listen to that husband about food.
Doctors are so full of poo, none of them can agree on anything.
I do know about injured body, today I did not listen to caution about damaging my spine by lifting that concrete and did it again, woops is not the word, the word is STUIPID I risk my future on moving a chunk of concrete, now I am hurt.
Tomorrow I will know just exactly how much.
I have with exersize worked out a arm that was dead, the disease attacked the nerve and destroed a arm that at one time lifted 150 pounds by itself, after the attack on the nerve it was more than a struggle to lift 3 pounds over my head.
After a car accident I could not walk, exersize returned that ability to me, quite by accident, I went to the beach and just would lay there as it truly hurt to much to walk on the beach, it was near impossible to get to the water.
Anyway I could not stand just laying there becoming a roast beef, so I got in the deep water and kept myself upright by kicking my legs back and forth, that did not hurt as there was no weight pushing up.
Within a month I was able to walk freely it was near a miricle, so I do know pain and I also know without my exersize I would still be lame.
Your story is cool, workaholic, nothing wrong with that, I love work aholics, woman that can throw 100 pound boxes of chicken over her head, holy moly.
If I was your husband I would be so scared you would wap me one I would bring excellent food offerings so you wouldn't, LOL.
You go girl, I know anyone that was at one time a exersize nut can find their way, you know there is exersize with tiny movement don't you, you do not have to go limit to limit, still it is always good to strech as far as you can to keep all the damage from welding itself together.
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Post by Lynn on Jul 1, 2012 10:55:00 GMT -5
Hi Baraka
You are a hoot. Take it a tad easier.
Those days of strong muscles and muscle on muscles are long over. Back when I was 22 till age 40 then it was all down hill and I am just a little ole piece of Jello. I agree you have to keep pushing the envelope to keep the muscle tone to a bit of an extent. At least to get to a smoothed out area you feel comfortable with. I was born with my hips crippled and they used my own body parts two different times throughout my life so I could walk and that is why they told me No running, no jumping, no physical labor jobs. Desk jobs only. When my original hip surgeon died at middle age of stomach cancer and I was diagnoses with both kinds of arthritis in my bad left hip. I asked if I could exercise. I guess he decided life was to short and gave me the go ahead. I knew he was not saying the right words and I held off. The day he died I was overcome with grief and I was already a super clean machine with the power of twelve. LOL. So I added in physical jobs and later lifting weights. I could do the 100 lbs boxed before I became a weight lifter.
I was born naturally stronger then my peers. Both male and female. Lets say at a pool party a guy your age is going to throw you in the pool. I could out fight them. One Dr. told me I was not a race hoarse but a Clydesdale. lol. I love Clydesdale's. Once I started to exercise I could do reps of anything in high numbers. My dad was a weight lifter and back when a toddler he was in some competitions in Arizona. His backer was Mr. Golden of Golden Spa's before he owned a spa. lol. One of my trainers had been a football player for the Minnesota Vikings for either 2 years or 4. Can not recall the right time. But he rarely showed up and I would train with another trainer that was at the facility. I have had an odd life. My two work out partners were Dino and Bunny and I grew up with the nick name Torpedo. LOL.
Very sorry you injured your back and hope you recover quickly. I believe most anything can be repaired if taken care of in a certain time frame. Something extreme happening that would absolutely stop you from fixing a problem. Like an amputation or something like that. Well I am going to make this my last post on this topic sense I just realize it has gotten to far away from Washer and Dryer killing critters.
Sorry everyone.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by scabdraggr on Jul 1, 2012 11:47:25 GMT -5
I use the pinesol or oxypine disenfectant cleaners in my laundry nd never a problem after that.Cheap and effective. Any product with pineoil from a spruce pine tree will do the proper job on the things in clothees that bite us. The black fiber may well be the male of the fibers that get on us.The white may be the female.I say this after watching their nactivities for a long time.The black fiber wraps and undulates around the white fibers and goo mass.yesterday i took a photo of the two fibers that had mated and grown to the next stage.Fascinating to view and the link to the hir issue is clearly seen as both have different heads showing and the colors change.I have pics of the next stage that many are calling half plant half insect.I can see why someone would speculate this. Baraka,I have a new insect that shows to be part of M, a teremite like bug.Vids and pics coming with a link for you.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 1, 2012 11:49:50 GMT -5
Lynn I hope your not going to throw me in the washer then the drier because I am a thread destroyer, LOL, I just some times get so carried away, there are some that spend all the time cleaning the enviroment and I kinda see that time being spent on the body proper.
Excuse me for my lack of , ahhh, mmmm, what was I saying?
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Post by sage on Jul 1, 2012 18:21:24 GMT -5
:-/As I recall, the late Dr. Wm. Harvey described the female mOrgs as blue, and the males as red. He also said they had many photos of them mating. Too bad for us he left early, and did'nt post those pictures for us to view. Who has all that research NOW? If it is MRF they sure play their cards close to the chest. So now we have the blacks and the whites in the productive act too? Hmmm. Mysterious! sage
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 1, 2012 19:59:13 GMT -5
I have NEVER seen a fiber mating, maybe they were tangled together but mating, HMMMM.
I do not know about colors because there are a few.
When I first came back from Asia I saw the fiberes glowing in the black lights, most were white, very few were a bright orange and a couple were green, thats what was on my cloths and skin, trying to rub them off the skin was near impossible.
I had to stop going to the discos and duck blacklight bars.
This aspect is gone
I suggest all of the people that think they just got this to use blacklights to view their skin.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jul 2, 2012 9:20:42 GMT -5
Sage,I obtained a specimen of the two fibers,colors a bit hard to detect but the vid and pics shows them after they have been together for a couple of days.i believve that i have pics of the next stage in the development process.I'll post a link after the pics are ready to showbut they certainly show a lot of what we have been looking for.It'll be easier to explain with the pics to view.
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Post by bluesky on Jul 2, 2012 14:14:06 GMT -5
Sage -a colleague of Harvey's here in the UK likely had images of the fibers, as he was the one who did the darkfield work on the samples. However, that colleague of Harveys was stripped of his medical license by the general medical council here some months back; he was my Lyme doc and closed his clinic beginning of this year and I have not been able to get in touch with him, although I have tried. For those of his Lyme patients, this was devastating to lose a doctor that was trying to help, and the reasons for his losing his license seem small compared to some antics of other mainstream doctors here.
You make a good point. It would be good to have a look at those images. Have you tried contacting any of the other co-authors of some of Dr Harvey's papers on Morgellons?
Dr Harveys colleague showed me the images of the strongyloid-type organism they found -it looked like the stercoralis strongyloid, and also showed me images of the red and blue fibers; they just looked like fibers from clothing, except they were very translucent -they were red and blue, but I could see right through them, as if they were colored glass or plastic. Too, the color of them was very consistent throughout with no mottling or variation of the color throughout the whole fiber.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jul 3, 2012 9:33:56 GMT -5
Sage,If you like pics of m,then let me know and a link will be sent to you via pm.6,000 pics in library and 150 videos.Most cancer is parasitic based.
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Post by sage on Jul 3, 2012 20:42:06 GMT -5
Thanks, scrap, I would love to view your photos. I wish I could have photographed the subdermal scene I had in the forearm "tumors" before they cleared a little. Using the RadioShack incandescent scope, there were many bright colors. It looked like an airliner crash and looking thru the fuselage windows, the bright red predominated with swarms of those miniscule black dots; they seemed to be purposfully performing tasks. Who Are They? And What Were They Doing ? We need the services of a Remote Viewer! sage
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Post by sage on Jul 3, 2012 21:25:20 GMT -5
bluesky, Thanks for your description of the fiber photos; the transluscence sounds right. Perhaps they had already processed their eggs. Dr. Harvey described the females as having a fold in their centers from where the eggs were expelled. They had "many photos of the egg production process". I have never tried contacting any of his colleagues. as I recall, they were mostly, et al. For Bam, who questions whether fibers can mate, ask yourself this: If there are eggs involved, how do those eggs ever become fertile? No mention is made of any frontal appendages on the RED fibers, so, who knows (?) Maybe they just Undulate. sage
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jul 3, 2012 22:52:08 GMT -5
Hello Sage how is the world treating you?
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