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Post by toni on Aug 16, 2013 15:28:20 GMT -5
Not sure how to explain this, but I'll try, and if this sounds familiar to you, then (only then) will this make sense. Have you noticed, I know we talked about this before...but, to go over this again: Has anyone seen (that the fluid within our tissue/skin) attaches to OUR skin? And if you try and pull on the "substance" that has hardened, you'll pull up your skin with it? Do you know what I mean? There's like a "fluid" that when our skin is injured, it will also form those psuedoscabs too, like a membrane, and it's not (our fluid) YET it attaches to our skin like it's part of it. And if you know what mean there, have you then see how "little white soft things" that are removed from a lesion, WHEN they're left on the skin, or not removed fast enough, they'll sink right back into it? Okay, if that rings a bell, then what I'm going to say hopefully will help (give a possible lead) for anyone that wants to look with me in this direction. This is only (ONE facet) I've been thinking about. I have racked my head trying to think of just "anything" that has that KIND of capacity, which is "a substance that can initially penetrate skin without damaging it". I'm not coming from left field, because I think I found something! Because think about it....IF we put fungus or spores on top of our skin "right now"....it will not instantaneously sink into our skin, nope....it doesn't work that way. Neither will a batch of bacteria, just sink into our skin before our eyes, but "morgs stuff will". So I've been asking myself, "what can sink into skin" in about a 3 second time, and ... you know what will? ?? URUSHIOL. That will INSTANTLY penetrate the skin. So what is urushiol, it's the toxin in poisonious plants, like poison ivy. There's such a thing too as systemic urushiol.....and it makes me wonder. Here's a sentence from this link under *Metabolism* from article link: toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@docno+7485 Urushiol is fat-soluble, penetrates the stratum corneum, and binds to Langerhans cells in the epidermis. These haptenated cells then migrate to lymph nodes, where T cells are activated; they then return to the skin, where they are involved in the dermatitis.
Not that I think we all have a case of poison ivy, oh no....but, I believe URUSHIOL is involved.
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Post by threader on Aug 26, 2013 10:53:31 GMT -5
It's good to see somebody exploring this bizarre symptom that I know all too well. It's been some time since I've watched the material permeate skin in less than 3 seconds, but I've seen it countless times. I also used to observe fibers that cleanly pierced hair follicles just as quick.
I know nothing about urushiol, but I am quite sensitive to poison oak (previous heavy exposure fighting wildfires) and less sensitive to poison ivy.
How do we know that fungi and bacteria don't have such rapid penetrating qualities?
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Post by toni on Aug 27, 2013 11:33:39 GMT -5
Hi Threader,
Quote: How do we know that fungi and bacteria don't have the same penetrating qualities).
Exactly (what you said). Yes, that's what I'm hoping we may be able to find. I'm glad you understand.
Urishol we know (has that instant penetration ability), and gosh.....(there must be something else out there that does too).
I just don't know what it could be....or if fungi and bacteria do that or not (that instant penetration) within seconds.
I've read about fungal spores and (some take hours) to sit ontop of (whatever it's going to penetrate) and then it will. Because, as the fungi releases it's enzymes, that's what allows the fungi to enter it's (subject) in order to absorb and feed on it.
When I got reading about this subject, it was foreign to me too, the *urishol* and it makes me think....there's got to be other things too. Maybe something will be of great value if we can find the other (instant penetrating) type "substances" of fungi or bacteriums.
(I just noticed too, that the link I'd posted there isn't working). I'm sorry, I'll try and find that link...or rather, a link that works.
Well, that link really doesn't work. Just tried it again.
But, if these words below are copied and pasted into (Google search) the entire sentences, it will bring up (that link).
Urushiol is fat-soluble, penetrates the stratum corneum, and binds to Langerhans cells in the epidermis. These haptenated cells then migrate to lymph nodes, where T cells are activated; they then return to the skin, where they are involved in the dermatitis.
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Post by itchin4answers on Aug 27, 2013 19:39:00 GMT -5
I'm hoping this link maybe of some help - it has some really good images. waynesword.palomar.edu/ww0802.htm#urushiolSnippet; The evolutionary significance of poison oak resin containing urushiol is difficult to explain. The resinous sap probably helps to seal wounds and may retard the growth of infectious fungal and bacterial spores. A chemical defense strategy against "predatory pressure" seems unlikely since the foliage and fruits are eaten by deer, goats, horses, cattle and a variety of birds. In fact, wood rats even use the branches to construct their nests. Only humans appear to have painful encounters with the plant, although laboratory studies indicate sensitivity on exposed skin of guinea pigs, rabbits, mice, sheep, dogs and rhesus monkeys.
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Post by ctbarb on Sept 27, 2013 14:27:59 GMT -5
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS: <NationalReport>A mix up by the agro business conglomerate Monsanto has left residents of the Texas town of Brownfield literally scratching their heads and has fanned the flames of the national debate over the safety of genetically modified crops. Starting on August 2nd, residents of this small Texas town began to report feelings of uncontrollable itchiness. One affected resident likened the feeling to “being drug naked across a wool covered football field while a thousand mosquitoes attack your flesh”. An investigation by local authorities revealed one common link between all the affected residents: local corn grits grown from Monsanto seed. According to an internal document leaked to National Report, Monsanto scientists have been developing a variety of corn that produces large quantities of Urushiol. Urushiol is the itch inducing compound found in poison ivy, poison sumac, and poison oak. The documents did not reveal why Monsanto would purposely incorporate this known toxin into human food crops. In an unfortunate mix up, the experimental seeds for the Urushiol producing corn were accidentally sent out to a farmer who grows corn for a local grit mill in Brownfield. The farmer unknowingly grew the corn, and recently provided it to the local mill where it made its way into the food supply of Brownfield. Urushiol causes blistering and, according to one Brownfield resident, "itches like hell". Urushiol causes blistering and, according to one Brownfield resident, “itches like hell”. The news gets worse from there for the unlucky residents who feasted on the mutant grits. Because the seeds were still in the experimental stage, the genes that Monsanto introduced into the corn to produce the Urushiol could conceivably be transferred into the stomachs of those that ate the contaminated grits. This would mean that the individuals themselves would begin producing Urushiol. Robert Bernal, a biologist at Texas Tech in nearby Lubbock, confirmed that this would feel like “literally like growing a field of poison ivy in your stomach”. Monsanto has confirmed that if the genes do incorporate themselves into the stomachs of those that ate the grits, they will be forced to sue each individual for patent violations. Monsanto has famously pursued a similar strategy with farmers who have had their crops contaminated by pollen from Monsanto’s “Round-Up Ready” seed. Daniel Christians, who began experiencing symptoms on Saturday, reported that Monsanto had already contacted him with an offer to settle out of court for $50,000. Christians told the National Report that the settlement offer warned that Monsanto could seize his stomach if the case goes to trial. “I don’t really have $50,000 to spare,” he lamented, “but I’m seriously considering settling. I mean, I really can’t go on without my stomach. I just can’t risk losing”. - See more at: nationalreport.net/monsanto-sues-residents-of-texas-town-for-patent-violations-following-seed-mixup/#sthash.7bwa5ISZ.dpufThis could very well explain everything about what you're saying Toni! Just Google "urushiol and Monsanto" and it comes up! Monsanto sued the entire town for Heaven's sake! Who are they going to sue next? GOD Almighty himself? It keeps looking more and more like what I've said for many years......It's in the food supply!!! CTBarb
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Post by absurdlyhaywired on Sept 27, 2013 15:28:11 GMT -5
OH, more insanity of humanity. Wow...........
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Post by threader on Sept 28, 2013 11:01:27 GMT -5
Ummmmm....if this were a legitimate news story it would be covered by much more reputable news agencies than the National Report. Did you look at the rest of the crap that they publish?
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Post by absurdlyhaywired on Sept 28, 2013 11:41:50 GMT -5
That is just how "people" justify their deception about Morgellons.
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Post by violet on Sept 28, 2013 14:44:23 GMT -5
Ummmmm....if this were a legitimate news story it would be covered by much more reputable news agencies than the National Report. Did you look at the rest of the crap that they publish? No need to look further, really. Just read the last paragraph from the article: Monsanto has confirmed that if the genes do incorporate themselves into the stomachs of those that ate the grits, they will be forced to sue each individual for patent violations. Monsanto has famously pursued a similar strategy with farmers who have had their crops contaminated by pollen from Monsanto’s “Round-Up Ready” seed. Daniel Christians, who began experiencing symptoms on Saturday, reported that Monsanto had already contacted him with an offer to settle out of court for $50,000. Christians told the National Report that the settlement offer warned that Monsanto could seize his stomach if the case goes to trial. “I don’t really have $50,000 to spare,” he lamented, “but I’m seriously considering settling. I mean, I really can’t go on without my stomach. I just can’t risk losing”. - See more at: nationalreport.net/monsanto-sues-residents-of-texas-town-for-patent-violations-following-seed-mixup/#sthash.7bwa5ISZ.gWawIlq3.dpuf
Someone is pulling our leg!!!! :-) Suing people who ingested Monsonto's seeds?!?!?!??!! Seizing their stomachs? ?? LOL! Hi, Barb. How are you doing? I'll bet you didn't see this last paragraph before you sent the article! Not critizing you, just the ridiculous things written in this article.
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Post by toni on Sept 30, 2013 11:42:12 GMT -5
Hi Barb,
I sure DO appreciate your feelings, as I know we all can in how Monsanto gets away with everything all the time . And when you said, who is Monsanto going to sue next ? God Almightly? hahahaha Oh Barb, YES, it sure does seem that way!!! Because there is no limit to how far they/Monsanto is allowed to go. Anyways, I knew that's how this mistake was made in reading this article, because WE ALL have had enough of Monsanto and Morgs.
And I'm very glad you see the possible significance in the urushiol. Because I know that's what "got your attention" - the Urushiol....not necessarily that article and it's contents.
Thank you Barb.
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Post by violet on Sept 30, 2013 17:37:51 GMT -5
Hi Barb, I sure DO appreciate your feelings, as I know we all can in how Monsanto gets away with everything all the time . And when you said, who is Monsanto going to sue next ? God Almightly? hahahaha Oh Barb, YES, it sure does seem that way!!! Because there is no limit to how far they/Monsanto is allowed to go. Anyways, I knew that's how this mistake was made in reading this article, because WE ALL have had enough of Monsanto and Morgs. And I'm very glad you see the possible significance in the urushiol. Because I know that's what "got your attention" - the Urushiol....not necessarily that article and it's contents. Thank you Barb. Yes! I thought the same about Barb's eye focusing in on "Monsanto" and "Urushiol." Have always appreciated the information you send, Barb. You and Toni are both smart cookies. :-)
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Post by itchin4answers on Oct 11, 2013 2:39:27 GMT -5
I'm "convinced" on the Urushiol theory that Toni brought forward. Took a lot of thought on my own part, and then a little research. Different things jump out for different people, for me, I was like "yes yes yes!!" - all the right words that I've read over the years. Most of you will already know this, so I'm posting these links and information for people like me! lol....and those that are still fence sitting about "Morgellons". Urushiol CharacteristicsUrushiol is a pale-yellow liquid with specific gravity of 0.968 and a boiling point of 200 °C (392 °F). It is soluble in alcohol, ether, and benzene.[3] Urushiol is a mixture of several closely related organic compounds. Each consists of a catechol substituted with an alkyl chain that has 15 or 17 carbon atoms. The alkyl group may be saturated or unsaturated. The exact composition of the mixture varies depending on the plant source. Whereas western poison oak urushiol contains chiefly catechols with C17 side-chains,[4] poison ivy and poison sumac contain mostly catechols with C15 side-chains. The likelihood and severity of allergic reaction to urushiol is dependent on the degree of unsaturation of the alkyl chain. Less than half of the general population reacts with the saturated urushiol alone, but over 90% react with urushiol containing at least two degrees of unsaturation (double bonds). Longer side chains tend to produce stronger reaction.[5] This suggests that the allergic contact dermatitis is caused by Van der Waals forces.[5] Before urushiol has been absorbed by the skin it can be removed with soap and water. However, time is of great importance as 50% of urushiol can be absorbed within 10 minutes. Once urushiol has penetrated into the skin, attempting to remove with water is inefficient.[5] Once urushiol has been absorbed by the skin it is recognized by the immune system's dendritic cells called langerhans cells. These cells then migrate to lymph nodes where they present the urushiol to T-lymphocytes and thus recruit them to the skin. Once in the skin, the T-lymphocytes cause pathology by producing cytokines and cytotoxic damage to the skin.[6] Urushiol is an oleoresin contained within the sap of poison ivy and related plants, and after injury to the plant or during late fall, the sap leaks to the surface of the plant where the urushiol becomes a blackish lacquer after contact with oxygen at a certain temperature and humidity en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UrushiolUrushiol-induced contact dermatitis
Urushiol-induced contact dermatitis (also called Toxicodendron dermatitis and Rhus dermatitis) is the medical name given to allergic rashes produced by the oil urushiol, which is contained in various plants, including the plants of the genus Toxicodendron (including poison ivy, poison oak, and poison sumac), other plants in the family Anacardiaceae (mango, Rengas tree, Burmese lacquer tree, India marking nut tree, and the shell of the cashew nut), and unrelated plants such as Ginkgo biloba.[1] Symptoms of the rash include itching, inflammation, oozing, and in severe cases, a burning sensation. The American Academy of Dermatology estimates there are up to 50 million cases of urushiol-induced dermatitis annually in the United States alone, accounting for 10% of all lost-time injuries in the United States Forest Service. Poison oak is a significant problem in the rural western and southern United States, while poison ivy is most rampant in the eastern United States. Dermatitis from poison sumac is less common. (CHECK OUT the images on this link). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urushiol-induced_contact_dermatitis
** The link below is the CDC Page last reviewed: February 24, 2012 Page last updated: August 9, 2010 The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) POISONOUS PLANTSPoison ivy, poison oak, and poison sumac release an oil, urushiol, when the leaf or other plant parts are bruised, damaged, or burned. When the oil gets on the skin an allergic reaction, referred to as contact dermatitis, occurs in most exposed people as an itchy red rash with bumps or blisters. www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/plants/AND THEN - this is where MONSANTO comes into the equation; Why Monsanto Just Spent $1 Billion To Buy A Climate Data CompanyThe Climate Corporation, which collects data about the weather, is now part of Monsanto. Not necessarily the move you might expect from the agribusiness giant. www.fastcoexist.com/3019387/why-monsanto-just-spent-1-billion-to-buy-a-climate-data-companywww.climate.com/
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Post by itchin4answers on Oct 12, 2013 4:11:36 GMT -5
These are a couple of treatments for exposure to Urushiol. I've ordered these 2 products, I did want the spray also, but for some reason they would not let me purchase, not to worry, I'm looking forward to giving the Tecnu Extreme a run. Tecnu Poison Ivy Scrub www.amazon.com/Tecnu-Extreme-Medicated-Poison-Scrub/dp/B0007IOVZKTecnu Tecnu Outdoor Skin Cleanser Poison Oak/Ivy Treatment www.amazon.com/Labs-Tecnu-Outdoor-Cleanser-12-Ounce/dp/B000A7S3WK/ref=pd_sim_hpc_1Grindelia Robusta is one of the ingredients in the Tecnu products. The link will explain, I think it's a herb. Grindelia Robusta abchomeopathy.com/r.php/GrinBelow is a Testimony from Amazon.com "I rely on Tecnu products, but you need to know how to use them. "Tecnu Extreme" has pumice or some sort of gritty scrubbing stuff in it that will make your EXISTING RASH WORSE. As we all know, scratching the rash makes it worse. Any abrasive will make it worse.
Tecnu Extreme is VERY EFFECTIVE at removing the toxic oils just after exposure, before you get a rash. The nice thing is you don't have to rub it in as long as original Tecnu and you can use it with water, unlike original Tecnu. So, you can wash yourself down 3 times in the shower if you're really paranoid.
It will remove the oils after you get a rash too, but the grit will scratch your skin and make the rash worse (though keep it from spreading hopefully). I know from experience, and any doctor or pharmacist will tell you this.
So, if you just got exposed and are in a mad dash to wash everything off, use Tecnu Extreme. If you already have broken out, use original Tecnu. They both remove the urshiol oil, but original Tecnu will soothe the rash AND remove the oils. I have used all the natural "soaps" out there and they really do not work. Tecnu works and I keep both varieties stocked at all times."Are we being exposed to this resin/oil Urushiol daily via other means ? - who am I kidding ha - after the hell my body has gone through anything has, is, was possible NOW after living Morgellons.
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