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Post by toni on Dec 15, 2014 13:16:21 GMT -5
Hi folks,
Been reading as usual and sort of in another direction out of being desperate.
My sister's dog, whom I've shared his pictures here on this board, he's the happy Jack Russell named (Russell) who's been the sunshine of my sisters life to say the least, and brought me so much happiness too because he's such a sweet little furry boy that has love beyond the stars in his heart.
Russell has got cancer.
His diag came last week, confirmed by his pathologist after surgery of the tumor. (thought it was just a fatty lump) but...it wasn't.
In reading about "natural" ways to combat CANCER....I've learned something that might be of GREAT use to us too, and our pets. I don't know though, IF this is "real" or more BS. But, it 'feels right' for anyone that understands what that means. It's one of those things, that "there's just no explaining" and it's cheap, and it's safe, and there's no reason NOT to try it, IF anyone is in this predicament of no where to turn.
From "my experiments over the years" combined with reading, I AM posting these links... (there's lots more on the internet, just look up the Budwig Protocol for Degenerative Diseases and Cancer).
www.budwigcenter.com/budwig-protocol/#.VI8pL2d0zcs
healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/190-cancer-revisited-the-industry-suppressed-budwig-regimen-or-how-to-cure-cancer-with-cottage-cheese.html
because I DO BELIEVE there IS something to this protocol.
I've seen under the scope some fascinating and incredible things happen along with ALL of my testings on myself and what does what microscopically when something is applied to "our stuff" and just to make this shortened, there's no way to go into it all, but...you'd be surprised what GOD's EARTH does HAVE FOR US, so if you're only geared in the direction that "doctors and pills and chemo" are the only way, THERE ARE OPTIONS that are worth the try, like I said, they're safe as it gets, and cost pennies, so what is there to lose, right?
And I want to preface this, because I'm not posting this to get into anything with "Baraka" about a debate on peroxide, as this is NOT what this is about.
I AM SHARING something that WE, (me and Mr. Toni) are going to be eating daily too....as I hope to get my sisters dog on this protocol also because there IS something to it.
Here goes.
Okay, you know how we've all read about peroxide ON the internet and how it's "suppose to treat cancer"??
Well, the basis for that is this. Cancer can't live in oxygenated cells.
When we exercise, we also do the same thing to our cells, which is a good thing, but to produce extra, sometimes we need "inducers".
So...((( IMHO ))) peroxide is not the way to go. Here's why.
Because Peroxide NOT ONLY oxygenates, but it OXIDIZES too. What does that mean? Basically, it kills, not only the particulates, but the cells too.
That's why chemo isn't too successful, or no one would ever worry about getting cancer, since doctors also recommend chemo. But the problem with chemo and radiation are these. That KILLS cells. So how the hell can anyone or anything get better with killed off cells that they need? I never understood that one. And over the weekend I guess it was, or last week, I read that the doctors are FINALLY getting with common sense! They NOW know they need to take out the GOOD cells (prior to chemo etc) because that treatment is going to destroy everything in it's sight, which is needed for the body to recover! Then what's done is "after the chemo" they'll put BACK the good cells, to grow of course, so the patient has something to work with, the body does now. BEFORE ....there was just hope that there was still enough UMPH left in the body to get it going again. But we know how "un"successful that is, it's hit and miss. So now, putting back cells to grow and healthy cells at that, after the chemo, the body has one great chance because ALL the cells aren't damaged and destroyed by them trying to kill off cancerous cells.
This protocol in the link I've posted, DOES NOT KILL CELLS. It creates the "oxygenation" we WANT...but without the KILLING of the cells.
It's Cottage Cheese MIXED with Flax Seed oil. That, when mixed together and eaten, gives the body (as it's the reactions that occur), the oxygenation we want, and not the oxidization we don't. It's that simple. Peroxide oxidizes, it's that simple. Kills is a better word. And we need our cells.
Just like how we can drink apple cider vinegar to combat acid in the gut, even though vinegar is acidic, WHEN it hits the stomach, theeeeen the chemical reaction occurs, which is "the inducing of alkaline" and thus, the stomach acid is neutralized.
So for those that would have thought "vinegar" would be "harmful to an acidic stomach"...well, try it, and read about it, because what appears on the surface is NOT what is happening 'within'. As vinegar is A GREAT FOOD for those with acid problems in their guts.
So...in the same vein of thinking and understanding....THAT is sort of what Cottage cheese MIXED with Flax seed oil does. Causes that "oxygenation" that we WANT - and without damaging ANY cells to oxidization/killing that "peroxide causes".
Maybe I'm just desperate...but I think there IS plenty of truth to this and how and why it works. It makes sense, JUST LIKE vinegar "causes our body to produce alkalinity" to calm acid. It's the combining of the correct ingredients into the body, that causes the chemical reactions we need and DO want.
Simple yes...so simple, it's worth using isn't it? And...the best part is, it's also something healthy to do for your body...so no harm done, if it's BS.
So, you be the judge, but read that article and tell me if you can't "feel" what's happening. It's there...just like us with Morgs. It's ALL hush-hushed, for whatever reason...money of course, and there's no money to be made for treating cancerous cells this way, (by the medical establishment that is anyways). And you can eat this too, because after you read about this....you may see what I see here too. There IS another way to skin that cat, (the degenerative diseases) that is.
Think natural, (as we are of everything that makes up our environment as everything IS us), and when we can combine "the correct ingredients" amazing things do happen.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 15, 2014 17:45:46 GMT -5
Last night we went to bed mortal, today we wake up gods.
If you do not want me to post on your post, first and best idea is leave" Baraka" out of your post and do not post asinine items like, Hydrogen Peroxide, oxidizes thus it should not be used, LOL, oxygen, oxidizes so should we stop breathing, well should we?
The very nature of a cell is a furnace that burns fuel, this is the way it is, it must have oxidizers.
NOW, what are the suggestions of the status quo, eat anti oxidants to carry away and clean the mess up.
If you do too much of one thing and not enough of the other, there will be damage.
What your suggesting would mean that all the people on oxygen are heading for cancer.
I will admit anything that is used in excess could start a reaction or possibly mutate a adversary of our body's, then that's a issue we face when we take ANY drug made by man, including so called natural supplements.
If you do not want to debate I suggest you find out how to be more tactful then calling someone out into the street at noon, telling them, make sure you wear your guns. dearest Tonalita .
We can not actually speak on the properties of too much oxygenation in a system, as we have no long term studies to prove what we could say if we did.
I do not suggest ingesting hydrogen peroxide into the body proper, there are others pro and con that speak on it, I will leave it up to the individual of what INFORMATION their little minds decides is best for them.
The fact of the matter, I do not see greed being part of the equation of positive posts on 35% hydrogen peroxide as a 32 oz bottle of 35% will last possible 5 years or more the way I use it, 5 YEARS and it costs maybe $20.
I do know one thing it will uncover and destroy the lesion/TUMOR in its entirety if you have the time and the strength, but most people see pain as a detriment, for those people I say do not use hydrogen peroxide 35% the time it takes to destroy the hidden under skin tumor is not instant by no means and it is UGLY
In the case of hydrogen peroxide 35% I do not know if it is the oxidation, the infusion of extra oxygen into the lesion/TUMOR that helps destroy the lesion/TUMOR or the immune system reveling to repair a painful wound and in the process attacking the anomaly with T CELLS.
Is it the reaction or the reaction of the body to the reaction, I can not say, and unlike others here I have a opinion of experience.
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Post by toni on Dec 16, 2014 10:33:28 GMT -5
BO, like I said in my FIRST post, quote: And I want to preface this, because I'm not posting this to get into anything with "Baraka" about a debate on peroxide, as this is NOT what this is about.
End of quote.
Now moving on:
A bit from this link below, it's worth reading. Like I said, you be the judge.
I see the reasoning for this combo of Dr. Budwigs, as it makes sense to help "our cells" fire properly. That's the whole idea. Peroxide does not have any of these qualities for the body because peroxide ( oxidizes ) cells.
We need healthy cells to thrive for life. And that REALLY IS the bottom line.
From link:
Dr Budwig was born in Germany in 1908. She passed away in 2003 at the age of 95. She has been referred to as a top European Cancer Research Scientist, Biochemist, Blood Specialist, German Pharmacologist, and Physicist. Dr Budwig was a seven-time Nobel Prize nominee.
In Germany in 1952 she was the Central Government’s Senior Expert for fats and pharmaceutical drugs. She’s considered one of the worlds leading authorities on fats and oils.
Her research has shown the tremendous effects that commercially processed fats and oils have in destroying cell membranes and
lowering the voltage in the cells of our bodies, which then result in chronic and terminal disease. What we have forgotten is that we are body electric.
The cells of our body fire electrically.
They have a nucleus in the center of the cell which is positively charged, and the cell membrane, which is the outer lining of the cell, is negatively charged. We are all aware of how fats clog up our veins and arteries, and are the leading cause of heart attacks, but we never looked beyond the end of our noses to see how these very dangerous fats and oils are affecting the overall health of our minds and bodies at the cellular level.
Dr Budwig discovered that when unsaturated fats have been chemically treated that their unsaturated qualities are destroyed and the field of electrons removed. This Commercial Processing of fats destroys the field of electrons that the cell membranes (60-75 trillion cells) in our bodies must have to fire properly (i.e. function properly).
The fats ability to associate with protein and thereby to achieve water solubility in the fluids of the living body—all this is destroyed. As Dr Budwig put it, “the battery is dead because the electrons in these fats and oils recharge it.” When the electrons are destroyed the fats are no longer active and cannot flow into the capillaries and through the fine capillary networks. This is when circulation problems arise.
Without the proper metabolism of fats in our bodies every vital function and every organ is affected.
This includes the generation of new life and new cells. Our bodies produce over 500 million new cells daily. Dr Budwig points out that in growing new cells, there is a dipolarity between the electrically positive nucleus and the electrically negative cell membrane with it’s high unsaturated fatty acids. During cell division the cell and new daughter cell must contain enough electron rich fatty acids in the cells surface area to divide off completely from the old cell. When this process is interrupted the body begins to die. In essence, these commercially processed fats and oils are shutting down the electrical field of the cells allowing chronic and terminal diseases to take hold of our bodies
www.cancertutor.com/budwig/
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Post by toni on Dec 16, 2014 10:50:19 GMT -5
I understand some may not see what I'm saying about peroxide, because of course oxidation happens within cells. And, IN MY FIRST post, I'm speaking of products like peroxide that "oxidize cells, as in KILLS CELLS" like peroxide does, and rendering the cells "helpless/dead/of no use" in not what anyone wants. We need to support our cells functions...not destroy them permanently by killing off all functions. So BO, "once you understand how that works, only then would you see, it's not that we want to KILL our cells by oxidizing them with peroxide) we want to help them function properly. www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/cell-energy-and-cell-functions-14024533
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 16, 2014 16:58:57 GMT -5
No once you UNDERSTAND, your never going to get it.
I say this, MY SKIN LOOKS MARVELOUS after treating lesion/TUMORS, after 200 applications, if what you say is true my skin would be destroyed, but it looks clean and fresh, YOU ARE WRONG.
When hydrogen peroxide reacts on the flesh and IN the flesh the only time you will have a lasting mark, NOW LISTEN, is when you can not take it any more and stop before your done.
DONE, when all of the lesion/TUMOR has been removed, plastic and grainy bright red pulp ALL GONE. That is when the hole will close like some kind of magic and its like there was NEVER anything happening.
You know there is a old saying.
YOU CAN NEVER WIN A ARGUEMENT WITH A IDIOT, THEY DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL, THEN BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
I would suggest if you like to make a point about this or that, you may want to leave HYDROGEN PEROXIDE out of your message, hydrogen peroxide it is NOT your area of expertise.
In fact I do not see anything that is your area of expertise.
You know I had a woman once, just once, she was beautiful and nice but had little cents, yes, she was poor. get it, little cents
One day I had a problem that I was trying to simplify, simplifying problems is much harder than complicating them.
I was talking with a friend of mine when she jumped right in and asked if she could help.
Yes indeed you may help I said, this is the problem, she listened and blurted out something that was like way out there and it did not pertain to rational thinking.
Wham, my problem was over, even though her retort was out of the question it held one little word that sparked, ALTERNET THINKING, it was exactly what I needed to finish this job and simplify it.
I was full of joy and all the trees bloomed, the flowers smelled sweet and all was well in paradise.
The cumulation of her words, did not a genius make.
This is where THINK TANKS come in, there are always different ideas in a think tank, and one idea may enthuse or embrace another.
There could be a problem with a think tank, what if all the people were idiots, then a bad idea may only get worse, that is exactly how I see your input, even though I can tell you exactly how the skin reacts to hundreds of applications of 35% hydrogen peroxide you keep calling me a liar, well, that makes me see you as a fool and I will not allow you to cloud the facts.
So darling, kisses to you, I wish you could learn, but you will never grasp the situation.
If you want thousand of pages of pro hydrogen peroxide posts I will do that.
But just let me mention one thing, it could be dangerous to many people, they do not know caution and will INGEST the compound, possibly causing internal calamity.
You just do not care about that do you, your gonna keep at it, you will never stop, its sort of like a manic obsession.
Santa is coming to town!!
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Post by itchin4answers on Dec 17, 2014 10:16:42 GMT -5
BO, like I said in my FIRST post, quote: And I want to preface this, because I'm not posting this to get into anything with "Baraka" about a debate on peroxide, as this is NOT what this is about.
End of quote.
Now moving on:
A bit from this link below, it's worth reading. Like I said, you be the judge.
I see the reasoning for this combo of Dr. Budwigs, as it makes sense to help "our cells" fire properly. That's the whole idea. Peroxide does not have any of these qualities for the body because peroxide ( oxidizes ) cells.
We need healthy cells to thrive for life. And that REALLY IS the bottom line.
From link:
Dr Budwig was born in Germany in 1908. She passed away in 2003 at the age of 95. She has been referred to as a top European Cancer Research Scientist, Biochemist, Blood Specialist, German Pharmacologist, and Physicist. Dr Budwig was a seven-time Nobel Prize nominee.
In Germany in 1952 she was the Central Government’s Senior Expert for fats and pharmaceutical drugs. She’s considered one of the worlds leading authorities on fats and oils.
Her research has shown the tremendous effects that commercially processed fats and oils have in destroying cell membranes and
lowering the voltage in the cells of our bodies, which then result in chronic and terminal disease. What we have forgotten is that we are body electric.
The cells of our body fire electrically.
They have a nucleus in the center of the cell which is positively charged, and the cell membrane, which is the outer lining of the cell, is negatively charged. We are all aware of how fats clog up our veins and arteries, and are the leading cause of heart attacks, but we never looked beyond the end of our noses to see how these very dangerous fats and oils are affecting the overall health of our minds and bodies at the cellular level.
Dr Budwig discovered that when unsaturated fats have been chemically treated that their unsaturated qualities are destroyed and the field of electrons removed. This Commercial Processing of fats destroys the field of electrons that the cell membranes (60-75 trillion cells) in our bodies must have to fire properly (i.e. function properly).
The fats ability to associate with protein and thereby to achieve water solubility in the fluids of the living body—all this is destroyed. As Dr Budwig put it, “the battery is dead because the electrons in these fats and oils recharge it.” When the electrons are destroyed the fats are no longer active and cannot flow into the capillaries and through the fine capillary networks. This is when circulation problems arise.
Without the proper metabolism of fats in our bodies every vital function and every organ is affected.
This includes the generation of new life and new cells. Our bodies produce over 500 million new cells daily. Dr Budwig points out that in growing new cells, there is a dipolarity between the electrically positive nucleus and the electrically negative cell membrane with it’s high unsaturated fatty acids. During cell division the cell and new daughter cell must contain enough electron rich fatty acids in the cells surface area to divide off completely from the old cell. When this process is interrupted the body begins to die. In essence, these commercially processed fats and oils are shutting down the electrical field of the cells allowing chronic and terminal diseases to take hold of our bodies
www.cancertutor.com/budwig/
With reference to cancer. I have learnt by the doctor today that I was admitted due to some form of meth and my behaviour put me in there!! haha..they said I was violent. No not all I was very funny. I felt something almost click in my eyes. I had slept like a baby the night before as I'd been woken by the police to check on me!! they got in through the window. My room was so rearranged it was spooky, they said "we believe you". and then they left I was out like a light. I was given a menthol cigarette at the end of November, not having a clue what it was. I'd also smoked Chinese Menthol Dunhill on the school holidays. Right after my doctors appointment tonight I wanted to be left alone because I had to work out what the heck? and why. I was approached by 2 young teenagers who were very forward and cheerful in wanting to give me a menthol cigarette I gladly said YES as I knew something was going on. They insisted on swapping with me, I usually smoke rolled tobacco, but after my inpatient stay I was subjected to the menthol! and the other medication. A lot of people have had it in for me for a long time. I calm myself by saying it will be different again in a couple of hours and so on. Though at the moment I'm a sitting duck. For any good law enforcement out there the number cigarette I was given is 14227 - apparently that is an American cigarette, tried them years ago awful things. www.cancer.org/cancer/news/expertvoices/post/2013/08/28/menthol-cigarettes-whats-the-big-deal.aspxI did read a link that mentioned a higher frequency of some remote device in these cigarettes. Things are certainly NOT as they appear.
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Post by toni on Dec 17, 2014 13:38:52 GMT -5
Itchin, I typed that number you'd posted into Google, and it comes up about the electronic cigs? Is that what you mean?
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 17, 2014 15:35:05 GMT -5
Actually dearest Toni reading anything you would post would be negative to what I have seen, the blood vessels that were running to a lesion on my nose, obviously growing larger before treatment, diapered, I must ascertain it was not only hydrogen peroxide 35% that destroyed the lesion, it was also a cream called PDQ cancer cream. The powers that be took the active ingredient and made it much less potent. Understand this TONI, you can post all the negative INFORMATION you could find and then I would post positive information. People would GRASP at any way to alleviate their issues, the best use they would forgo because of the pain, that is topical. Instead because of the little war you want to create they would be ingesting the hydrogen peroxide in larger and larger amounts as some people will suggest on web sites. Toni as far as I can see with intense use of the hydrogen peroxide 35% there will be nothing left of the lesion/TUMOR that is growing beneath the surface of the skin. In our case, our lesion/TUMORS are benign, that can change but has not shown to be a problem of the people here that have been speaking of their symptoms. Will the amount of us dying of cancer change, more than likely. The fact that a cancer tumor fighting for its life after being introduced to hydrogen peroxide treatment may be a result of many things and not at all a result of Oxygen which is what hydrogen peroxide relents to once being subjected to organic matter. I would really like to see how a CANCER TUMOR reacts when it has hydrogen peroxide shot directly into a tumor with its blood feed lines cut and capped. This would be a more relevant test then irritating the growth from the outside and causing it to do all it has been trained to do over the millenniums to survive, which includes putting out hormones that cause angiogenesis of blood feed lines. Angiogenesis is not a new occurrence, the reason for a increase in tumor development can not be measured SIMPLY by the application of one compound or another, one must know the EXACT operation INSIDE the tumor itself to access the issue of increased angiogenesis. NOW, what do I imagine that happens when a huge amount of oxygen is shoved into a cell, this is what they do in HYPERBARIC THERAPY, woops, I guess we all forgot about HYPERBARIC OXYGEN therapy used to heal peoples wounds and conditions that were out of control. Lets just imagine that you take a cell and put it under a few extra atmosphers of pressure, THEN we introuduce that cell to pure oxygen, let me inform you, the cell walls make a very strong capsule. The capsule while very strong will still allow certain things to pass right through, one of those things is oxygen, WOW. NOW, oxygen molocules will compress under pressure, they become smaller, REALLY, yes really. Have you ever opened a bottle of pop and watched the carbonation just start to show up in the soda, that is essentially what happens when you reduce pressure in a hyperbaric chamber. Cancer cells are very protective and hard shelled, they will also let oxygen in, NOW, cancer has been said to develop and grow in low oxygen and high acid conditions. Imagine cancers cells surprise when you fill it full of 100 times the amount of oxygen compressed to a much smaller size and all of a sudden all of this oxygen grows to full size as it is no longer compress, do you imagine the fire in the cell will burn red hot like a torch and burn the cell out or literally crack the walls of the cell possibly allowing the immune system to attack. People saying they feel good after a plane ride is a very tiny aspect of this form of treatment. If what you say is true Toni, people would be getting out of hyperbaric treatments rife with cancer. Looking into DMSO, chemo therapy you may understand permeating the cancer cell wall is one of the biggest problems. Now this site says the pros of DMSO use, there are others that are con as usual, what do I think, be careful of everything, ESPECIALLY DOCTORS WITH DRUGS THEY HAND OUT LIKE CANDY!! www.naturalnews.com/037485_DMSO_inflammation_muscle_pain.htmlWhile looking for some info I came across a like thinker about disease, the difference, he see's his large symptom pool attributed only to angiogenesis because he does not know about the underlaying disease that causes it. www.keratosispilaris.org/treatment-options/9735-angiogenesis-root-cause-cure-psoriasis-eczema-rosacea-obesity-macular-degeneration-keratosis-pilaris.html
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Post by itchin4answers on Dec 17, 2014 21:39:39 GMT -5
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Post by itchin4answers on Dec 18, 2014 11:15:55 GMT -5
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Post by itchin4answers on Dec 18, 2014 11:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Dec 18, 2014 11:57:09 GMT -5
BO,
What can I say? I know your only reference is "how you do things", but I will say, (that's where you and I are 100% different).
So, you don't want "reputable literature" on what REALLY is happening? That's fine. You stick with what "you think" you know, because all I can say is, in the world of people, it * IS* only intelligent people that are the ones that are "sponges for information". Closed minds, well, we know how that goes, nothing new can ever be sought, let alone gained.
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Post by toni on Dec 18, 2014 12:03:53 GMT -5
Hi Itchin,
That's interesting they're talking about removing the menthol. I've never tried that electronic cig, and I'm glad to hear your experience with it. Thank you for the links, much appreciated.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 18, 2014 14:33:42 GMT -5
Yes boobala, we are 100% different, you assume you have ALL the answers, when all you provide are counter information trying to prove I am wrong about what I have said.
I do not mind being wrong, I will grasp my wrong and dance with it, but from your blathering I do not assume your wrong, I KNOW you are wrong.
Matter of the fact I do not read your information because you do not read it and can not reference anything of importance, a blanket bla of hydrogen peroxide is a oxidizer and spurs cancer on.
There is plenty of information that is counter to what your saying, what YOUR experts are saying is correct because it is what you want to hear.
You believe all of the negative that you would like to hear but nothing positive.
Sort of like this, if your EXPERT was the Catholic Church you would have been screaming for Galileo to be hung or tortured for going against gods will.
In fact you would have held on to your wives tale view until about 20 years ago when the church exonerated Galileo, you my dear are of ONE mind.
Then you imagine yourself up on some sort of thrown with a wizard hat on, I suggest that pointed hat to mean something else entirely.
You must imagine that I have just sat here all my life and never read, wow, never, ever read.
I will take a moment to go back and read your special report just to see exactly what they have done to come to their conclusion, what they used, how they used it, how long the application, introduction, strength of solution, flesh used, human, animal, cancer type, you know just a tiny bit of interest in their methodology.
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Post by toni on Dec 18, 2014 15:09:22 GMT -5
BO,
I've not yet, as you say: posted any special report "yet".
I ASKED you IF you wanted some links, as I'm happy to provide them, but you let me know, and I'll do that for you. I'm not throwing pearls for nothing.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Dec 18, 2014 16:14:37 GMT -5
Apparently I have been avoiding gobbeldeguc for so long, I just imagined you had, no, please do not bother with the pearls, I would not want to take any pearls from your pearl necklace.
I am quite aware of the negative aspects of all things, even the use of supplements and nature. Ta ta!
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Post by itchin4answers on Dec 20, 2014 10:15:30 GMT -5
Hi Itchin, That's interesting they're talking about removing the menthol. I've never tried that electronic cig, and I'm glad to hear your experience with it. Thank you for the links, much appreciated. Don't know about the menthol. I think it was "me" they were trying to remove. IF you only knew my situation now!
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