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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 12:37:22 GMT -5
Hi guys, As some of you know I found some photos of people that are ill from arsenic poisioning about a week ago. So I started researching this. I am here to report that I think this may be just what it is that we have! In MY OPINION, i CALL IT aNTHRAX! I call it Baculovirus and bacteriovirus too..... I'm not finished researching it yet but I just wanted to give some hope to those of us that need it most! In no way am I teasing or trying "to tease" any of you by posting this info then not following up on it. Hopefully I will finish this by tonight and I will report my findings bsck here then. AND TO JEFF- THE ONE THAT WRITES IN CAPS , GUESS WHAT? i EVEN FOUND AN ASSOCIATION BETWEEN ARSENIC AND STRONGALOIDES!!! wELL, i MUST GET BACK TO STUDYING AND RESEARCHING THIS. (i SKIPPED WORK TODAY JUST TO FINISH THIS! i'M SO DEAD SERIOUS! i HAVE SEEN THE DOCUMENTATION OF IT BEING EVEN IN FOOD PRODUCTS. AND i DO HAVE THIS 700+ PAGE DOCUMENT SAVED. iT WAS WRITTEN BY THE WHO. Also I have found many article (medical) with the "fibers" in it!! okay, back to the drawing board and again, I am just wanting to maybe give some hope that we're getting closer to finding our answer! Sincerely, London
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Post by frequent guest on Feb 24, 2006 12:45:25 GMT -5
London, I'm in London for the point of searching doctors and medical care. Are you in London or is it just the name? If you're here, want to meet up? (How do we arrange that offline?)
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Post by curry on Feb 24, 2006 13:23:45 GMT -5
London...it is documented that nematodes consist of fibers...there muscle matter is made of many types of fibers. But to you really feel that a nematode is capable of causing so much and so intense human suffering? Also...Strongloides aren't blood feeders are they?
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 15:16:57 GMT -5
okay, as stated up above not only Arsenic, but other things as well!!!!
My Word arsenic products are everywhere-certainly the polymers. It's in the soil, food products, etc.
Regardless, here's what I said before on my post titled C-4 and more, but hit this link below and go to it as soon as you are finished reading this!
We get these viruses from the Bacteriophages!!! Please I beg of you to go to this one link here. I know that some of you responded to my T-4 and more post the other day and even posted some hyperlinks that you found but YOU HAVE TO GO HERE......
NOTE* IT HAS HIDDEN COMPARTMENTS. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE ANYTHIN COME UP THEN GO STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT WEBPAGE AND CLICK ONTO THE WORDS IN BLACK.
i FOUND THIS ON nEW YEARS dAY AND THOUGHRT i HAD POSTED ABOUT IT BEFORE. i EVEN FORGOT i HAD IT UNTIL THE OTHER DAY.
I WILL SHUT UP NOW AND LET YOU GO TO SITE! iF YOU CLICK IT RIGHT, THERE IS ENOUGH READING HERE TO LAST A GOOD WHILE.
REMEMBER: THIS IS HOW IT (VIRUSES +) ARE TRANSFERRED>> i THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO SAY....i'M NO EXPERT ON ANY OF THIS SO PLEASE, i BEG OF YOU TO BARE WITH ME.
lONDON
ps* i WILL BE RIGHT BACK W/ HYPERLINK
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Post by curry on Feb 24, 2006 15:22:58 GMT -5
I'll be patiently waiting ::
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 15:25:44 GMT -5
OKAY, HERE YOU GO: tHIS IS ALL DONE BY THAT MAN i KEPT TALKING ABOUT NAMED STEPHEN ABEDON THAT USED TO BE AT u OF aRIZONA BUT NOW IS AT: OHIO STATE NOW www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabedon/l LONDON
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 15:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 15:44:51 GMT -5
oKAY, i FORGOT TO TELL YOU SOME MORE EXCITING NEWS......i FOUND THE TRYPANSOME ELEMENT THAT GOES WITH ALL OF THIS!!!! tHERE IS HOPE YET EVERYBODY!!
wHAT GETS ME IS THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYDAY NOW THERE IS MORE AND MORE IN THE NEWS ABOUT WEIRDO ANIMALS AND STUFF. HAVE ANY OF YOU NOTICED THE INCREASED OF THIS TOO? I'M NOT SAYING I DO NOT BELIEVE IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE GETTING READY FOR THEIR BIG FALLACY COVERSTORY!!!
IF ANYONE WORKS FOR THE CDC AND IS READING THIS, PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU ARE HATED.
I'M SORRY TO BE MEAN, BUT THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL. THE DOD, THE DOE AS WELL. BUNCH OF BIG LYING JERKOFFS!
OH, I CAN JUST HEAR IT NOW.......THE INCREASE OF SUB-SAHARAN CITCENS INTO THE U.S. HAS CAUSED A GREAT NUMBER OF AMERICANS TO CONTRACT CHAGAS DISEASE, THE AFRICAN SLEEPING SICKNESS. OH LET'S JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT LIE THEY WILL BRING.... RIGHT NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BLAME IT ON THESE ANIMALS THAT THEY ARE SHOWING IN THE NEWS AT AN INCREASING FAST PACE! THEY MIGHT SAY IT'S ALL DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING.....
AND THEN WE WILL SAY, YEAH MAYBE, BUT THAT IS DUE TO ALL YOUR PLANTS AND POLLUTION....
OKAY, i'M GOING TO SHUT-UP NOW.....TALK TO YOU ALL LATER TONIGHT!
lONDON
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 15:54:06 GMT -5
AND HERE, I WILL BE NICE AND CHEAT A LITTLE....( I WILL POST SOMETHING ABOUT ARSENIC EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT FINISHED RESEARCHING EVERYTHING- I JUST HAD TO TAKE A BRAKE .... HERE YOU GO...... 1.7 Effects on human healthSoluble inorganic arsenic is acutely toxic, and ingestion of large doses leads to gastrointestinal symptoms, disturbances of cardiovascular and nervous system functions, and eventually death. In survivors, bone marrow depression, haemolysis, hepatomegaly, melanosis, polyneuropathy and encephalopathy may be observed. Long-term exposure to arsenic in drinking-water is causally related to increased risks of cancer in the skin, lungs, bladder and kidney, as well as other skin changes such as hyperkeratosis and pigmentation changes. These effects have been demonstrated in many studies using different study designs. Exposure–response relationships and high risks have been observed for each of these end-points. The effects have been most thoroughly studied in Taiwan but there is considerable evidence from studies on populations in other countries as well. Increased risks of lung and bladder cancer and of arsenic-associated skin lesions have been reported to be associated with ingestion of drinking-water at concentrations £ 50 µg arsenic/litre. Occupational exposure to arsenic, primarily by inhalation, is causally associated with lung cancer. Exposure–response relationships and high risks have been observed. Increased risks have been observed at cumulative exposure levels ³ 0.75 (mg/m3) × year (e.g. 15 years of exposure to a workroom air concentration of 50 µg/m3). Tobacco smoking has been investigated in two of the three main smelter cohorts and was not found to be the cause of the increased lung cancer risk attributed to arsenic; however, it was found to be interactive with arsenic in increasing the lung cancer risk. Even with some negative findings, the overall weight of evidence indicates that arsenic can cause clastogenic damage in different cell types with different end-points in exposed individuals and in cancer patients. For point mutations, the results are largely negative. Chronic arsenic exposure in Taiwan has been shown to cause blackfoot disease (BFD), a severe form of peripheral vascular disease (PVD) which leads to gangrenous changes. This disease has not been documented in other parts of the world, and the findings in Taiwan may depend upon other contributing factors. However, there is good evidence from studies in several countries that arsenic exposure causes other forms of PVD. Conclusions on the causality of the relationship between arsenic exposure and other health effects are less clear-cut. The evidence is strongest for hypertension and cardiovascular disease, suggestive for diabetes and reproductive effects and weak for cerebrovascular disease, long-term neurological effects, and cancer at sites other than lung, bladder, kidney and skin. 1.8 Effects on other organisms in the environmentAquatic and terrestrial biota show a wide range of sensitivities to different arsenic species. Their sensitivity is modified by biological and abiotic factors. In general, inorganic arsenicals are more toxic than organoarsenicals and arsenite is more toxic than arsenate. The mode of toxicity and mechanism of uptake of arsenate by organisms differ considerably. This may explain why there are interspecies differences in organism response to arsenate and arsenite. The primary mechanism of arsenite toxicity is considered to result from its binding to protein sulfhydryl groups. Arsenate is known to affect oxidative phosphorylation by competition with phosphate. In environments where phosphate concentrations are high, arsenate toxicity to biota is generally reduced. As arsenate is a phosphate analogue, organisms living in elevated arsenate environments must acquire the nutrient phosphorous yet avoid arsenic toxicity. Arsenic compounds cause acute and chronic effects in individuals, populations and communities at concentrations ranging from a few micrograms to milligrams per litre, depending on species, time of exposure and end-points measured. These effects include lethality, inhibition of growth, photosynthesis and reproduction, and behavioural effects. Arsenic-contaminated environments are characterized by limited species abundance and diversity. If levels of arsenate are high enough, only species which exhibit resistance may be present. lONDON
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Post by curry on Feb 24, 2006 16:21:50 GMT -5
London...I'm going to print your page...take it into the bath...BUT!!! Night before last I was working as usual (this is my work) and I ran across the word that you just said...new word to me at that time...TRYPANSOME. It was in connection to the make up of the fluke muscles...and fibers connected with Actin and Myosin. tinyurl.com/fwg2v Does that ring a bell to you? This is a first for me...I'm just now getting into the genetic bio of the fluke...so I don't know nothing. I just find it interesting that I just learned that word in which you speak. Coincidence? I love that word if you couldn't tell...have I mentioned I don't think there really are any coincidences that are genuine? There is always a reason for it in the end. I just read your last post since I finished this and got off the phone with my mother...I totally agree with you...we have encountered something that as interfered with our immune function...what disease resulted from it? Isn't that what we need to look for?
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Post by curry on Feb 24, 2006 16:41:11 GMT -5
London...where am I suppose to go after getting to the home page? I searched the site a little and have to be quite honest with you...I know about gram staining...but so much of that is way over my head. You'll have to tell me exactly what to look for because I would get lost in there for hours upon hours if I was left to try to understand that all by my self. I stopped focusing on ecto-parasites quickly because I knew my disease was systemic and I don't think that ecto-parasites can be considered systemic. I understand WORMS...pretty much all of them which are parasitic...brothers, sisters, cousins, mothers, fathers. I understand mold and they type of toxic damage it does if it doesn't or isn't capable of converting into a yeast. Fungus, systemic fungal or yeast infections and the difference between the two, pathogenic process...types of disease, sypmtoms...the list goes on. Bacteria...I can understand...I mean completely digest it only very, very little. Virus...even less than bacteria. I'm only stating this because...you'll have to show me the way to sift through. It's like speaking a whole other language for me.
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Post by London to Carrie on Feb 24, 2006 17:03:34 GMT -5
okay, just hit on the words at the bottom. When that opens up, you will now have new places to click on from here to. When you are thru with that page' hyperlinks, then go hit onto the next word at the bottom. It is extensive. I will post another link to it too, but i'M AFRAID IT WILL STILL JUST OPEN UP TO THE SAME ONE W/ THE FLOWER ON IT.
hEY CARRIE, i LIKE THAT MS. ARTICLE OF THE INSECTS YOU POSTED.....HERE'S A LITTLE HINT FOR YOU.....YOU KNOW THAT DRAGGONFLIE AT THE VERY END OF YOUR HYPERLINKED POST?
WELL, IT'S VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH OUR ILLNESS.
lONDON
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 17:12:40 GMT -5
Bt resistance and the chaos it would cause in the insect world....
Goes something like this......
B.thunringiensis Insect and nematode pathenogen Produces a spore and a toxin crystal. Closely related to B. anthracis-considered same species by some. Infection cycle grossly resembles anthrax: EAT THE SPORES-BACTERIA TURN THE COW INTO MORE SPORES.* INSECT- eat spores and crystal toxin. Gut ruptures and Septicemia ensues. Bacteria turn the CATERPILLAR into more spores. Infected insects have an interesting behavioral change in which they climb to the top of the leaf and HANG-ON EVEN AFTER THEIR DEATH, RAINING THEIR CONTAMINATED REMAINS UPON THEIR BRETHRENTOXIN MECHANISM-CLEAVED BY GUT PROTEASE Binds receptor Changes conformation, inserts into membrane and forms a pore......
I will be back in a few carrie o post you a hyperlink to a great article on part of what our illness is......I'm no authority, but dammit, I know what this is! This one part I'm referring to from Bt. poisioning is the Baculovirus!
London
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 17:28:32 GMT -5
Carrie, Open this link up here on Baculovirus! Scroll down just a little bit until you see a hot-pink worm climbing on a green leaf ( it's animated and on the rightr side of article). When you see this, just pause for a moment and watch it. It will change!!! THEN, scroll down just a wee bit more and you will see another box right under ( near anyway) the one you just had opened. This will show you just what is happening to the dead caterpillar...It will lie there dead as a doorknob upside down on the leaf while it turns into particles and drops them down on all the other neighborhood bugs! Remeber......the moths aka butterflies and caterpillars are already resitent to Bt. poisioning. this is why we are getting sick too. Can you imagine how many birds are infected and then the bird mite gets infected from sucking on the bird ( that sounded bad, hey, where's FRISK?) hehe , anyway, this is how it is all spread. The invertebrates are so very sick too. You will see soon.......that all of this is true..... tinyurl.com/zbvndLondon
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 18:26:20 GMT -5
okay, here's a lil more on arsenic stuff: Note: I'm going to only print a lil bit here; then I will come back and post the rest with the hyperlink. ( don't want to get anyone all flustered by posting too much stuff at one time. ( seem I'm nice, afterall!) Of the three types of arsenicals used in the treatment of spirochetal and protozoal diseases, only the arsenoso compounds have a direct parasiticidal activity, the arsonic acids and arseno compounds being active by virtue of their conversion to arsenoso compounds in the animal host. 2. Unsubstituted arsenosobenzene was one of the most toxic and most actively parasiticidal compounds in the entire series tested, with no demonstrable selective action among the organisms studied. a) Substitution with a single -CH3, -NO2, -Cl, -NH2, -OH, or -F group either did not significantly affect the toxicity or parasiticidal activity of the parent arsenosobenzene, or reduced them both to the same slight degree. b) Acid-substituents strikingly decreased both the direct parasiticidal and toxic action of arsenosobenzene. The ionized form was generally inactive, the undissociated acid highly active, and the effect of pH on parasiticidal activity could be related to its effect on dissociation. However, there were important exceptions to the general inactivity of the ionized compounds (e.g., the 3-NO2-4-COOH and p-(CH2)3COOH arsenosobenzenes); several compounds in this series are of distinct therapeutic interest. c) Amide substituents usually caused a slight decrease in treponemicidal and trypanocidal activity, but a striking decrease in toxicity. London
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 18:35:48 GMT -5
Here's something that made this easier for me to understand; maybe it will do the same for some of you. Yes, I;m well aware of the fact that some already know this but hey-
some do not......and this is for them!
Relationships Relationships are very important in nature. Animals, plants, fungi, and microscopic organisms (such as bacteria and protozoa) all depend on each other to live. Humans fit into this too! These relationships, along with the way we get sunlight and water, make up our local ecology.
There are different kinds of relationships. Predation is when one animal eats another. One species benefits by getting food. The other species is killed. Competition is when two organisms are trying to get the same resources, whether it's food, water, or sunlight. Neither species benefits from this relationship, because each organism is taking resources from the other.
Symbiotic Relationships occur when two organisms live side by side. There are several different kinds of symbiotic relationships:
Mutualism: Both species benefit. The two organisms help each other. An example would be a honey bee and a dandelion. The honey bee gets to eat the pollen from the flower. The dandelion uses the bee to spread its pollen to another flower. Commensalism: One species benefits. The other species is unaffected. A common example is an animal using a plant for shelter. An American Robin benefits by building its nest in a Red Maple tree. The tree is unaffected. Parasitism: Ones species benefits. The other species is harmed. An example would be a deer tick and a White-tailed Deer. The tick gets food from the deer without killing it. The deer is harmed by losing blood to the tick, and possibly by getting an infected wound. Neutralism: Neither species benefits or is harmed. Both organisms are unaffected. An American Goldfinch is a bird that eats mostly seeds. It may share a tree with a Great Crested Flycatcher, which eats mostly insects. Neither affects the other.
London
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Post by curry on Feb 24, 2006 18:52:38 GMT -5
London...It's almost 4:00 where I am...where are you? I just wanted to let you know...I'm going to follow this. It's quitting time for a while...getting kids home from school, dinner...love & smoozes...you know...the routine...I'll be back this evening...I will read EACH AND EVERY POST...I understand what you're saying and where it seems you are going with this. I Just wanted to let you know...I'm feelin' what you're saying but will have to be back. Thanks for the direction.
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Post by questionhair1 on Feb 24, 2006 19:33:32 GMT -5
Here's something that made this easier for me to understand; maybe it will do the same for some of you. Yes, I;m well aware of the fact that some already know this but hey- some do not......and this is for them! RelationshipsRelationships are very important in nature. Animals, plants, fungi, and microscopic organisms (such as bacteria and protozoa) all depend on each other to live. Humans fit into this too! These relationships, along with the way we get sunlight and water, make up our local ecology. There are different kinds of relationships. Predation is when one animal eats another. One species benefits by getting food. The other species is killed. Competition is when two organisms are trying to get the same resources, whether it's food, water, or sunlight. Neither species benefits from this relationship, because each organism is taking resources from the other. Symbiotic Relationships occur when two organisms live side by side. There are several different kinds of symbiotic relationships: Mutualism: Both species benefit. The two organisms help each other. An example would be a honey bee and a dandelion. The honey bee gets to eat the pollen from the flower. The dandelion uses the bee to spread its pollen to another flower. Commensalism: One species benefits. The other species is unaffected. A common example is an animal using a plant for shelter. An American Robin benefits by building its nest in a Red Maple tree. The tree is unaffected. Parasitism: Ones species benefits. The other species is harmed. An example would be a deer tick and a White-tailed Deer. The tick gets food from the deer without killing it. The deer is harmed by losing blood to the tick, and possibly by getting an infected wound. Neutralism: Neither species benefits or is harmed. Both organisms are unaffected. An American Goldfinch is a bird that eats mostly seeds. It may share a tree with a Great Crested Flycatcher, which eats mostly insects. Neither affects the other. London London! Finally, a post that is my level. Thank you! I could relate to this. Just for fun, read it again and substitute "Spouse" for "species" - (if you need to take a break and have a little fun.) (smile) QH
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 19:45:28 GMT -5
hhehehe why thanks QH! Let me tell you, I need feedback. I have got this down!!!
but i just do not know what rate to present it. Any suggestions from you OR anyone else???
Like I have most all my articles....the title of article along with every hyperlink all transferred into one big Word Document.
I could just paste this whole thing but it does not read like a narrative story or anything.
Just the title of what it's about plus the hyperlink. Or I could just keep going like this....a little at a time-
whatever you all prefer, but you have to let me know...... ********************************
Carrie, okey dokey, you must be on the west coast, eh? and you are welcome.
Here's where we cannot forget about: THE TRANSGENIC PLANTS!!! THEY HAVE BASED A LOT OF THEIR CLONING ON THE FLORA FROM BRAZIL! yOU WON'T FIND THAT LIT. OUT THERE...
I HAD TO LITERALLY SNEAK AROUND FOR MONTHS TO GET THAT ONE FACT ! ANYWAY, THESE PLANTS ARE WHAT IS POISIONONOUS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! THEY HAVE CLONED CYANOBACTERIA AND MUCH MORE.....THERE WAS A COUPLE OF WEIRDO NAMES OF PLANTS THAT I WAS FINDING THAT I HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT THEY WERE.
WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT, MOST OF THEM ARE ....GET THIS....MOSSES!
HERE'S A CAPTION THAT HELPED ME W/ THE PLANTS......
As a rule insect resistant transgenic plants are engineered by means of single isolated toxin genes. The fact that the genetic code of plants differs slightly from that of bacteria makes it necessary to use synthetic genes whose nucleotide sequence is altered in such a way that it still encodes the desired bacterial amino acid sequence. However, it is not possible to use complete toxin genes in plants because these are not sufficiently soluble in plant cells (the protoxins are only soluble at pH greater 9.5, whereas the pH in plant cells is around
London
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Post by london2146 on Feb 24, 2006 20:03:12 GMT -5
plants continued.......
am i going too fast? Too slow???
I can't wait till we get to the fibers!
Plants:That means that the host-pathogen interaction has undergone important changes, changes that have the potential to promote resistance development, possibly by some orders of magnitude. Additionally, there are hints that the transgenic plants unfold their toxic potential to other insects than the pests in an unexpected way. Feeding of intoxicated larvae of the European corn borer to beneficial insects killed two out of three of these insects. Even feeding to nonsusceptible larvae of an other species killed those predators which fed on these larvae. These experiments were done by Swiss researchers employed at the national research station for agriculture and agricultural ecology. The study is submitted for publication to Environmental Entomology but not yet published (Facts 34/1997). Effects to nontarget beneficial organisms were also shown for collembola and are mentioned in the pesticide fact sheet produced by EPA1 and made available by the National Technical Information Service of the US. However, these effects were judged as not being disquieting. It is urgent to have a moratoium2 for transgenic insect resistant plant in order to save one of the most valuable biological pesticides. This moratoium is also necessary to prevent genetic pollution via out-crossing. The changed toxin may have the potential to kill others than nontarget organisms which possibly will have far-reaching consequences in different environments. There is now more than evidence that insect-resistant transgenic plants have negative impacts on both sustainable agriculture and the environment. A science-based risk assessment should take into account its own data and not ignore them.
London
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