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Post by Orion*** on May 28, 2006 4:20:17 GMT -5
So, which came first the chicken or the egg? To try and convince some of the morg victims that they very well could be infected with a fluke first then the fibers...just as Carrie has maintained. In my case it is pointing more and more in that direction... I was infected in Korea in 1953 and suspect that I have carried it all these years...My life has been a disaster,,, I think that I can prove that the fluke brought on morgellons syndrom.. It incystated then emmerged only to go back into hiding then at an oppotune time reemmerge... The neurological part of the disease is the most devistating... I at first was a doubting Thomas also---just take a real close look at it... Each business end of the fibers or hairs has a fluke on the end of it burried beneath the skin--and the crawelie sensations go along with it....The med of choice per med line says--BITRICID---two doses 4 hr. apart. 1800 mg. or 3 X 600 mg. actually the med should be tasken according to your weight.
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Post by tonie on May 28, 2006 10:03:36 GMT -5
Little g,
Maybe it's the mood I'm in that's making me want to comment to you.
You really can't still be that ignorant, after the CDC and the news has described this all - CAN YOU? That's a silly question too - because by your comments, you've shown you are.
And do you really really somehow in your mind think that the CDC has now acquired a full spectrum of teams to investigate SEBUM?
Wake up. You've lost all credibility with your obvious nonsense. hahhaa and you've managed to hit the funny point with anything you've got to say regarding this.
Had "everyone" the CDC and the news and all the doctors that are now involved "kept" their heads in the sand, then yeah, your litte silly remarks would fall in line with the rest of all the ignorance.
But come on, YOU are now talking "yesterdays" news.
Why don't you find a board that is for jokesters, because I'll help you out here, since you can't see it, you are old hat with your silliness. Way past the facts.
So if it's attention you're crying for, well I guess I've given it to you, haven't I? So any continuation of your funny comments, WE know, and I think you're the only one who doesn't see it, that you are way way history with your funny old jokes.
We've heard them.
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Post by scratches on May 28, 2006 10:30:59 GMT -5
Thank you tonie for putting our guest in line....
I have suffered for 10-12 years with this disease that I just learned had a name two days ago from the media hype.....Thank GOD for that.....nothig but doctors ignoring the obvious for years......
My disease started in one of the core areas in South Texas near Freeport 10-12 years ago and have not had ONE DOCTOR look any deeper than a visual exam to make their decisions from........
I thought I was the only one suffering from this disease.......WOW I find out there are a bunch of us.....and who knows how many more there are that won't discuss this yet!!!
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Post by GIBro on May 28, 2006 11:26:15 GMT -5
I was infected in Korea in 1953If that's true, that would radically push the timeline back...and possibly be a strike against current theories about it from coming out of a modern GM lab in the late 70s or 80s...
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Post by erika on May 28, 2006 12:01:15 GMT -5
say wha? little g.. go play in some traffic. get lost.
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Post by specuelatin on May 28, 2006 12:08:51 GMT -5
erika, hahahahaha! A post from the "Spinmasters 101" thread: Gosh darn it, Aherah, I can't help having a condescending personality. People either appreciate it, or they don't, I don't care. This is no place for it, I'll give you that. If this is "no place for it" why can't you figure out not to be here anymore? Oh, but wait, you probably can't think that through because psuedo-intellectuals have problems thinking real thoughts. Having this belittling and condescending attitude may not be your fault, but choosing to express yourself like you have here today is your fault. You CAN help it. But that wouldn't serve to further your agenda now, would it? still laughing at your absurd behavior, spec
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Post by little g on May 28, 2006 12:31:12 GMT -5
Troll Alert !
Please Don't give trolls the time of day --anthill Three X three buddy and I wouldn't want Three X three of this nightmare please go some place else to spew brightest of blessings I say" I say"
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Post by ANTHILL on May 28, 2006 13:29:37 GMT -5
Hi GIBro I tend to agree with you I think this has been around as long if not allot longer than the dop diagnosis and has been misconstrued as a mental illness by Victorian thinking huff and puff doctors all along
I would even venture to think that it has been around from the beginning
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Post by 22122 on May 28, 2006 14:51:20 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just want to comment that whatever we have been brought into contact in our life however that might be seem, in most people including myself and immunity factor. Recently had my killer cells (NK cells tested) and they were very low. It may account for the wide variability of the so called secondary infections people have. It is very difficult to sort out what is secondary if our immunity is suppressed. As often said on this board, which comes first the chicken or the egg? What causes immunity to be suppressed and how widespread is this?I wonder how leper colonies are doing? If it is an environmental cause, they should be worsening requiring higher doses of antibiotics. Just some thoughts here.
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Post by Orion*** on May 28, 2006 16:50:11 GMT -5
tonie your BAD--don't you know that it is not nice to bash people on a public forem. Put you key board away until you attitude changes. You obviously desplay a closed mind--you remind me of many Drs. Your pretty new to this game otherwise I think you might have done your post differantly.... BUT--you do have your right to your opinion-- I respect that probably more than the respect that you showed me. That's OK , you will learn--I hope...and one day be enlightened.... Be happy: Have a good life: Orion.
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Post by Orion*** on May 28, 2006 16:53:32 GMT -5
tawnie--are you shure that you posted to the right thread---who is little-- g Excuse me but I'm a little confused.
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Post by ANTHILL on May 28, 2006 17:02:15 GMT -5
Orion --little g is a troll bent on causeing discord on lymebusters The thread may be a little broke up due to some deleted post
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Post by Carrie♥ on May 28, 2006 17:04:20 GMT -5
Hot topic...chicken, egg, or nest? What is lowering our immunity...or what isn't!? It seems anything we come in contact with these days can lower our immunity. But then again...if you are introduced this parasite into your cutaneous tissues...is there anything you can do about it from that point and then would it cause a lowered immunity so it could do its job? Could it get in from the out? Dang...I sure would love to know...it sure would be nice to see if these things could happen...wonder if it ever will.
I think it's been around a lot longer than we have a clue too...I know people's Grandparents that had this...only for one of us to have found this out when she'd told her Mother about the fibers...Mother told daughter about Grand Mother before her passing pulling fibers out of her eye brow and lash area!? There's something that has been plaguing us forever...perhaps the lowered immunity and destruction to the planet, land, animals, air, our bodies is just making it this much worse for us!?
Orion...I don't think they necessarily has to be an over seas connection either...perhaps that is where you initially got the infection...but every fluke is here. The lung fluke...especially in the Northern states...you know the liver flukes are here...even the intestinal fluke...the Echistoma's...the only thing I can't find here is the Schistosomiasis type blood flukes that are known to cause disease every where else...perhaps the one's we have here are just "evolved?" Because we do have several types of blood flukes here...just a different name. I think the thread I started for that was something like "ELISA" am I a dummy!?" In which I haven't gotten an understanding of that totally. Perhaps I should talk to "Joe" or "Margellons" about that one because that person may turn out to help us. We know I am a bit naive but I do feel a sense of compassion stemming from that person...and they aint no dummy, maybe we should try to use that to our advantage!? I am only mentioning that too because I've had people ask me if I thought I could have been exposed through my ex...but no need for me to consider that considering they are all here. Only the exposure to the ex started me looking into the "so-called" tropical disease's that are all here too!?
22122...if I recall correctly you don't have Morgellon's right!? Just curious if you don't mind...because I think you do know about flukes. Have you been diagnosed as having a fluke infection?
One other thing I wanted to mention even though it is of the thread topic. I read this yesterday somewhere about our symptoms...how they seem to affect us, dogs, some cats and horses. Thinking of the SLF...perhaps I should put that on that thread huh!? Anyway...considering the documented ectopic nature of that parasite, it tends to go to ectopic sites when not in the "normal" intended host for that parasite...which would be all of the listed above. Sheep and cattle are generally considered to be the normal host of the parasite...but then again...if they had ectopic (the sheep or cattle) who would know enough, pay attention or care enough to know if they had an ectopic skin or such infection!? No one...not like us with out pets or self!? Anyway...sorry for the babble...it is just known and not considered uncommon for not specific hosts to that parasite for that parasite to travel through out the body and cause ectopic infections...especially in the skin. Hum...as documented in Australia...but none here in the states...but there are tons of these guys all over the states, what could be the problem?
And again...like I've said...if those are chains for fluke eggs recovered in my stool like I think they are...and the colored fibers and massive amounts of fibers are connected to those fluke eggs...and that document that I've posted before regarding the person found in Australia that had been documented as having an adult removed from the skin that had released eggs into the surrounding tissues...would they...I mean...could that person...have our disease!? It sure is a very considerable situation that we should explore...I mean us in the "novice" scientific field. Would it be possible to contact the Doctor from that PubMed article!? Even more, how about either of the patients. Then considering that one of those patients was an abattoir...a worker from a slaughter house...what if that patient was infected from casual contact performing his job!? Would that not prove or even make one consider the infectious nature of this parasite?
Sorry Orion to be off topic!?
Erika...great post.
Okay one more thing that I've been considering the last few days while trying to possibly understand the possible Lyme connection or whatever possible bacterial infection or infections because it seems that I'm constantly having to switch up topical to make progress. Anyway...okay so...when we carry a fetus right and they pass through the womb is that baby not going to carry our flora? I mean...how could a baby passing through a womb of a mother that had, let's just say a yeast infection not have yeast on their skin!? Right? I happened to have two c-sections so just now considering this...neither of my kids had cradle cap or any type of dermititis as babies. Anyway...I had a friend that has our disease but didn't know it...and had had it for a long time, ya know like chronic ezcema...especially on the hands and other stuff that was a little extreme for what is considered "normal" skin issues. She had a little boy that was born with a little lesion on his forehead that resembled my skin lesions (the aunt of this baby was tellin' me the story 'cause Mom had moved from the state but I knew Mom and so whoa stories connected with our disease and she was around at my onset) anyway...they held the baby for an extra couple days because of that skin lesion. Auntie had been questioning Mom and hospital staff because no one knew exactly what caused the baby to be born with it and that didn't know exactly what it was. She was told they kept the baby to keep and eye on it and to make sure it wasn't some known bad pathogenic bacteria. So after a couple days of ruling out this and that and strep the baby was let go and life goes on. My point...I have no doubt Mom had our disease at the time...and that baby boy does too. How could he not passing through the womb of an infected Mother!? Just as documented from "The Morgellons!?" So if I have or had an adult at my skin somewhere...releasing eggs into my tissues...what type of bacteria is being released with those eggs? I mean...isn't it inevitable? Heck yeah...of coarse...everything has it's own "flora!?" So releasing the eggs into my tissues...also releasing a flow of that bacteria...infecting my tissues and then screwing up my tissues intergrity...how could it not? I've wondered what comes first several times. Just recently I beat up the Lyme aspect of this and could the fluke been allowed into the tissues because of the bacteria but if the fluke was on it's way there...I don't know what in my bodies defenses could have stopped it...I could see it like being me standing on some train tracks with my hand up telling it to stop and the train seeing me at the last minute...good luck. Chicken, egg, or nest...perhaps the condition of the nest isn't as relevant as I've considered the last few weeks...I mean...it's like giving a whale a tic tac...what can you do!? Once the nest is invaded by the chicken and the chicken begins layin' eggs your nest is screwed!
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Post by Fibo on May 28, 2006 17:15:18 GMT -5
people's Grandparents that had this...only for one of us to have found this out when she'd told her Mother about the fibers...Mother told daughter about Grand Mother before her passing pulling fibers out of her eye brow and lash area!?
But, if someone's grandma just got it before she died - and only recently died...then that doesn't mean it was very long ago.
Like, let's say an 80-yo got it just before they died last week. Well, then that's no different than a 5-yo child getting it last week..
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Post by DOCP on May 28, 2006 19:01:40 GMT -5
Orion - It is fact. For me anyway. Fact #1 - The lake I live thirty feet from... had a sign warning of "swimmer's itch" three years ago (pre-morgue symptoms). Fact #2 - shortly thereafter (aside from some immediate itching), I develop IBS symptoms, as do my boys. Gaseous, reflux, ulcer-like pain, bloating. Veins swelling, little jolt sensations in them. Periods (have to be one of the weirdest symptoms). Rashes, full moon jitters and irritability. Fact #3 - I can see... yes... SEE with my eyes something swimming in my tummy when I'm reclined. No not "moving" like digestion, or even like I would imagine a tapeworm would move. "Swimming" is the only adjective for it. Like coin sized rounded things darting back and fourth and sideways. Fact #4 - My doc said... this is the latest and greaatest for treating Morgellons and though he, nor I, mentioned the words parasite or fluke... he wrote four prescriptions (2 being exclusive for parasites Mebendazole and Biltricide), one of those is exclusively for flatworms ONLY namely... Blood Flukes. In other words... My doc knows what those meds are for and why he prescribed them... and he knows what the latest buzz is as part of the possible cause for Morgellons. I do not however, believe he or they (growing number of docs that are beginning to acknowledge and treat this), think flukes are the sole cause since he mentioned StenoMalt bacteria (reason for the Septra), and he also said something briefly about all of it mixing with mold antibodies in my system. And considering I don't remember having an attached tick on me... I could have contracted Lyme before or after or during... it's just one more special ingredient to add to the sugar and spice and everything trippy. I'm baffled as to why we don't have routine, accurate and specific testing for such a destructive, visible to the eye, commonplace, thing like flukes. It's not like they're hidden virus-sized cells. Did I just say I was baffled? Yeah right... must have slipped for a sec, back to yesteryear's naivety. Dang. I think you actually have to go to med school to ensure your family thorough competent health care. Answer: The chicken <-- Is that right? "And on the sixth day the Lord said... let there be chickens, and he saw that it was good."
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Post by bannanny on May 28, 2006 20:34:09 GMT -5
I agree about the flukes being visible and commonplace, which is why I don't see how they can be responsible for morgs. Certainly could be a part of it tho.
Regarding what you said DOCP, about the mold antibodies in the system, I've been holding on to thinking more and more that mold has a great deal to do with morgs. Things just seem to lead me back in that direction alot.
As far as the chicken goes, I think the ole chicky got mixed up with something out of the norm, thus creating production of the extreme morg egg....and the Lord and all of us have seen it as NOT so good!
Luv ya's ~~~bannanny
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Post by friskers on May 28, 2006 20:48:29 GMT -5
maybe little g should go find a g spot to play with ;DFrisk
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Post by Orion*** on May 28, 2006 23:36:42 GMT -5
Orion - It is fact. For me anyway. Fact #1 - The lake I live thirty feet from... had a sign warning of "swimmer's itch" three years ago (pre-morgue symptoms). Fact #2 - shortly thereafter (aside from some immediate itching), I develop IBS symptoms, as do my boys. Gaseous, reflux, ulcer-like pain, bloating. Veins swelling, little jolt sensations in them. Periods (have to be one of the weirdest symptoms). Rashes, full moon jitters and irritability. Fact #3 - I can see... yes... SEE with my eyes something swimming in my tummy when I'm reclined. No not "moving" like digestion, or even like I would imagine a tapeworm would move. "Swimming" is the only adjective for it. Like coin sized rounded things darting back and fourth and sideways. Fact #4 - My doc said... this is the latest and greaatest for treating Morgellons and though he, nor I, mentioned the words parasite or fluke... he wrote four prescriptions (2 being exclusive for parasites Mebendazole and Biltricide), one of those is exclusively for flatworms ONLY namely... Blood Flukes. In other words... My doc knows what those meds are for and why he prescribed them... and he knows what the latest buzz is as part of the possible cause for Morgellons. I do not however, believe he or they (growing number of docs that are beginning to acknowledge and treat this), think flukes are the sole cause since he mentioned StenoMalt bacteria (reason for the Septra), and he also said something briefly about all of it mixing with mold antibodies in my system. And considering I don't remember having an attached tick on me... I could have contracted Lyme before or after or during... it's just one more special ingredient to add to the sugar and spice and everything trippy. I'm baffled as to why we don't have routine, accurate and specific testing for such a destructive, visible to the eye, commonplace, thing like flukes. It's not like they're hidden virus-sized cells. Did I just say I was baffled? Yeah right... must have slipped for a sec, back to yesteryear's naivety. Dang. I think you actually have to go to med school to ensure your family thorough competent health care. Answer: The chicken <-- Is that right? "And on the sixth day the Lord said... let there be chickens, and he saw that it was good." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I must say--you had a perfect setup for the fluke infection....as far as being able to see the critters ,other than a perticular species they are very small...All I know is that I had the infection while in Korea and was NEVER treated for it or diagnosed---I will guarantee you I had all of the symptoms.... The fluke produces fiber--a known fact. It could be that because of the biotoxins the morgellons is a secondary or coinfection... But since I have--had--a fluke infection and also have morgellons syndrom--what am I to think? Carrie tought me enough about flukes to get my curiosity up real good..I'm going to stick with that untill it is proven otherwise with out a doubt...There is something on the business end of these hairs and fibers --I can tell because it causes a small lump under the skin. The more fibers and hairs that I pull they are replaced twice over with more--act of futility... The Bitricide just might be the answer...
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Post by Orion*** on May 29, 2006 0:19:55 GMT -5
Orion - It is fact. For me anyway. Fact #1 - The lake I live thirty feet from... had a sign warning of "swimmer's itch" three years ago (pre-morgue symptoms). Fact #2 - shortly thereafter (aside from some immediate itching), I develop IBS symptoms, as do my boys. Gaseous, reflux, ulcer-like pain, bloating. Veins swelling, little jolt sensations in them. Periods (have to be one of the weirdest symptoms). Rashes, full moon jitters and irritability. Fact #3 - I can see... yes... SEE with my eyes something swimming in my tummy when I'm reclined. No not "moving" like digestion, or even like I would imagine a tapeworm would move. "Swimming" is the only adjective for it. Like coin sized rounded things darting back and fourth and sideways. Fact #4 - My doc said... this is the latest and greaatest for treating Morgellons and though he, nor I, mentioned the words parasite or fluke... he wrote four prescriptions (2 being exclusive for parasites Mebendazole and Biltricide), one of those is exclusively for flatworms ONLY namely... Blood Flukes. In other words... My doc knows what those meds are for and why he prescribed them... and he knows what the latest buzz is as part of the possible cause for Morgellons. I do not however, believe he or they (growing number of docs that are beginning to acknowledge and treat this), think flukes are the sole cause since he mentioned StenoMalt bacteria (reason for the Septra), and he also said something briefly about all of it mixing with mold antibodies in my system. And considering I don't remember having an attached tick on me... I could have contracted Lyme before or after or during... it's just one more special ingredient to add to the sugar and spice and everything trippy. I'm baffled as to why we don't have routine, accurate and specific testing for such a destructive, visible to the eye, commonplace, thing like flukes. It's not like they're hidden virus-sized cells. Did I just say I was baffled? Yeah right... must have slipped for a sec, back to yesteryear's naivety. Dang. I think you actually have to go to med school to ensure your family thorough competent health care. Answer: The chicken <-- Is that right? "And on the sixth day the Lord said... let there be chickens, and he saw that it was good." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++One must consider that migratory birds carry the fluke--just as in bird flu--from Asia-Alaska--down the flyways all over the US...
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Post by H on May 29, 2006 1:24:15 GMT -5
First off, Tonie ease up, Orion has been here a hell of a lot longer then you, and he or she or anybody can post what they want, in fact we need different points of view, it helps the train of thought and research.
H.
My theory, yes we all have had parasites, But Not Like These, These Are New.
Highly Reformed Parasites.
Orion, If You Have Had These Since 1953 From My Research You Would Be Dead.
Yes I believe that you probably did pick up a parasite in Korea. And Fluke? yes.
But what our wonderful scientists have done is taken a fluke, nematode, protozoa, etc. and every other nasty bug and made a new bug. actually easy to do but not control. It's called a Bio Weapon. Why do you think it is nearly impossible to trace. perfect weapon
just a thought H.
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