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Post by prevenge on Oct 5, 2006 1:45:12 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed or discussed that the areas of the U.S. most highly dense in Mexican migrants, are the states where there is most infection?
California, NEW MEXICO, Texas, Florida (mexiacan and carribian migrant area) are the areas from whic most cases spring from.
The day before I had this ear inflamation, I had mexican migrants working on the roof of my house. They dropped something into my patio (which is dug 14 feet into the earth and there's no way they could have retrieved it so i picked it up and threw it back at them and tons of shingle pebbles filled up my patio that day. ever since, there's been floating fibers in the air .. of which, my new roomate has commented on.. saying whats with these wiggling things in the air down here? they weren't there before.)
I think there needs to be done a slew of more research on thread-spore forming microbes via-quorum sensing bacterium. I will research and post a new thread on this later. I'm sure ithas been discussed, but I'm going to post nonetheless.
-M
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Post by abbienormal on Oct 5, 2006 10:41:41 GMT -5
Prevenge,
Yes, I have brought this issue up before. I lived in a Mexican town for 5 years and moved back to the States this past summer.
The air in that town was loaded with flying fibers. My husband and I knew they had to do with the Morgs and would point them out to other Americans and say "what's with all this stuff flying around." They would just shrug their shoulders.
The books in the American library had tons of the long filaments growing on them. (you know the ones that seemed to be glued on one end and they grow each day and undulate back and forth like their airborne comrades)
There were many sick people in that town, Americans and Mexicans, they just didn't know that they were sick. They had fuzz balls in their hair, they were scratching, brain fog, rashes, the whole nine yards.
I brought up my feelings on a bio attack on the "fly thread." I am really torn between an airborne bio attack which had its roots in Mexico or it is a Mexican born disease. I truly believe this. Look at the states that have the highest populations. Why is Bush putting up a wall?
If it wasn't a bio attack then I think I got it from my maid who slept in my house when I was away from home.
As a test: just go to the produce section in a supermarket and pick up the lemons from Mexico and watch all of the little white flying morgs fly from the produce.
I wish to God the powers that be would investigate this connection because it definitely exists.
Does anyone else feel there is a connection?
AbbieNormal
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Post by abbienormal on Oct 5, 2006 11:28:25 GMT -5
Some other thoughts I have on this immigrant connection. Supposing it is not just Mexican immigrants but also Cuban, Carribbean, etc. What do they all have in common?
Open sewage.
What does present day Morgellons and the 17th century Morgellons have in common?
Open sewage
Why now would open sewage create such a global epidemic? New diseases may spring up and spread due to:
World travel, antibiotics rendered useless due to abuse and mutated microbes and GLOBAL WARMING?
along with a mixed bag of pollution, GM foods, chemicals, pesticides, etc. etc. The world has never had such a mix of the old with all of these new dangerous components before, a really nasty soup which can breed something as nasty as 21st Century Morgellons which is being transported around the world by immigrants, produce, third world sweat shops and jet airplanes. (the list can go on and on)
AbbieNormal
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Post by skytroll on Oct 5, 2006 11:47:20 GMT -5
Add to that, teaching kids to play with microworms. Look at second picture, doesn't it look familiar? This is how to get it to kids. We may not be giving it to our kids. Is this taught in school, are these in labs at school? www.aqualandpetsplus.com/Live%20Food,%20Microworms.htm Like I say every agency including the Education system doing its part to inflict everyone. skytroll
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Post by in tokyo on Oct 5, 2006 13:38:03 GMT -5
Good thinking going on here. Another issue to consider is the agricultural switch in recent years- suddenly so much of our mainstream produce says "produced in the united states of mexico." The open sewage point is interesting- Florida, Texas, and California share waters with Mexico etc, and have problems with bacteria and algae blooms, especially in recent years. Many of us in the past have discussed the ocean/water connection with Morgellons.
Regardless of cause and origin, I certainly worry about our workers in these states- who is most at risk for contracting Morgellons through their jobs? Agricultural workers, air duct cleaners, laundry workers, cleaning services. . . . . . . These are often migrant workers, or people who have recently immigrated. They may not have adequate health care, they may not have successful communication in English, they may not have internet access or any way to discover that "morgellons" is a sickness. (I do IT stuff, and it took me 2 months to track down my symptoms online. ) This means morgellons will spread rapidly through these groups. Morgellons probably does exist in these population groups, and it will escalate in being a problem. I wonder if we should try to organize some kind of outreach Information campaign- contact latino support groups and ask them to put out a general caution and description of morgellons.
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Post by belikewater on Oct 5, 2006 13:44:29 GMT -5
Actually, from my historical studies in Morgellons, from France, Germany, England, one of the connections was contaminated cloth in which the babies were wrapped or in boy's caps. I also think there is a connection to low salt in the diet, due in those times, to high taxes on salt and poverty.
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Post by nyurka5 on Oct 5, 2006 14:08:15 GMT -5
I have considered the mexican illegal migrants, also vegetation imported from mexico. I have been a real estate investor for the last 16 years, most contractors in arizona hire illegals. I have noticed that most mexicans here have fibers flying off of them. This of course is one of the many possibilities that i have considered. But Sorry, the CUBAN theory is a no go. I am a CUBAN born, American, residing in my country for 45 years. Cubans do not daily migrate to this country. I have relatives in New York City, Miami, Los Angeles. None are infected. On the other hand I have an Uncle, who is a wealthy business man in Mexico City, who have Morgellons. Also, I have traveled Mexcio often. Is mexico a consideration, yes. So is China. So I ask you, before you make this a Spanish speaking illness, consider demographics, immigrations history and imports. And yes, legally is the only was to enter any country. I think it is absolute BS that someone that is illegal can get free medical care and public assistance, when a tax paying Citizen can not get CDC, the medical community to treat us with respect and diginity. Just a side note, My brother is a Marine, my step-father fought in Vietnam, my Great-Grandfather was General McCarthers right hand man and a Embassador to China. And no Cubans do not eat tortillas.
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Post by jeff on Oct 5, 2006 14:58:34 GMT -5
i got this either by going to cabo and surfing or while surfing after a sewage outflow in southern cali....hmm..things that make ya go hmmm
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Post by armstmik on Oct 5, 2006 15:27:45 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I got my infection from some very warm polluted water as well. The white to translucent colored tubular growths that I pull from my lesions are (to me) obviously not worms. (they don't seem to move and worms do not grow that fast) I tend to think that whatever variant of the disease I have is caused by oomycetes, a pseudo fungi which has only recently been diagnosed in humans and is quite difficult to diagnose. And probably that infection was preceded by a Lyme infection which compromised my immune system.
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Post by abbienormal on Oct 5, 2006 15:30:30 GMT -5
Belikewater,
How did the clothing get contaminated? Contaminated from washing, from water in some way?
Nyurka,
I am sorry if I hurt you in any way that is not my intent and I often hesitate writing about these thoughts because I know someone will be offended by them. I can speak without hesitation about my Mexican experiences and theories because of the time I have spent in that country.
We all speculate about Morgellons' origin because we are trying to find answers. I brought up Cuba because of its proximity to Florida and thought perhaps there may be some similar conditions shared by Cuba and Mexico, i.e., open sewage and a tropical climate. I also brought up Cuba because Louisianna does not seem to be a Morgellon state in the respect that California and Texas are and they are both bordered by Mexico. I then thought perhaps Florida's proximity to Cuba may have a role.
I am not saying that Morgellons is a Spanish speaking disease but a disease that may be born of contaminated water (and everything which comes in contact with that water), toxins in general and GLOBAL WARMING. I also did not say Cubans migrate to the US on a daily basis or that they eat tortillas.
It is good to hear that you feel Cuba is not a source of Morgellons. I guess I was wrong about the Florida and Cuba connection.
You sound like a proud American.
AbbieNormal
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Post by nyurka5 on Oct 5, 2006 21:53:31 GMT -5
Abbie, Thanks for the appology. I guess when everything in your life is going down the tubes, ie., finances, an art gallery i've been trying to open for 6 months now, my looks, my social life and family who believes me to the point of not wanting to be around, one can get a little sensitive. I think it has something to do with bugs coming out of me..... Actually the last time i went to mexico, i went to a beach that had these very strange bugs on the sand. Needless to say i did not stay or lay down on the sand. I left with a fever that lasted two weeks. I don't know. Any possiblity is a possibility at this time.
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Post by Orion*** on Oct 5, 2006 22:06:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I got my infection from some very warm polluted water as well. The white to translucent colored tubular growths that I pull from my lesions are (to me) obviously not worms. (they don't seem to move and worms do not grow that fast) I tend to think that whatever variant of the disease I have is caused by oomycetes, a pseudo fungi which has only recently been diagnosed in humans and is quite difficult to diagnose. And probably that infection was preceded by a Lyme infection which compromised my immune system. ====================================Hey ! I like this theroy -- I also think that it is fungal in origin--BUT I also find the black fiber worms in the mix also. Where I find one there also is the other... You pull a crazy hair and it wiggles then goes stiff as a board...I am treating this with antifungals and it is hitting them hard...This means that diflucan -fluconozol etc would be of great help. Orion***
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Post by Orion*** on Oct 5, 2006 22:18:51 GMT -5
I think that this whole affair is a tropical or subtropical worm-protaza-fungas that has moved north--from where-on what-why--one can only speculate...Go to Mexico-get tar and fibered. This is why I lean so hard on the nematode-fungal aspect of this disease--in my case any way. The fact thatt I'm a Cuban, Mexican,Irish,comanchie German Wop has little to do with it---but I did sleep in a holliday inn last night. Hey! Ya don't supose? ---Orion***
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pamca
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Post by pamca on Oct 7, 2006 6:21:09 GMT -5
Hi, I got morgellons in 1999 while working with a lot of people from Mexico. I did not come in direct contact with them, as in touching. But sat in the same chairs, touched things they touched, etc. First was diagnosed with body lice and scabies. Then found 3 years later I had lyme and babesia. Then toxoplasa, blastocistis hominis and entamoebia histolytica.-----All that from working with people from Mexico.-----Recently I bought some jeans by catalogue from Land's End. Put them on and knew immediatly I was getting reinfected. Took off quickly and looked at the label inside the jeans, "Made in Mexico" ---- Need I say more?
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Post by abbienormal on Oct 7, 2006 8:15:05 GMT -5
Pamca,
Wow, this is very interesting. (at the same time I am sorry to hear you got nailed like the rest of us).
I assume you were in the States when you were working with the Mexicans. If not, where were you? Did you eat the same food and who prepared the food? Did you drink the same water and where did the water come from? Did you notice fibers in the air?
It is frightening to think that this "thing" we have is acquired through airborne transmission. But from my experience in Mexico, I think it is very likely as the air in the town where I lived was often "snowing" with fibers.
But at times I think it may start in a water source and somehow "evaporate" into the air. I know that is not scientific sounding but it is the best way I can describe it.
AbbieNormal
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Post by specuelatin on Oct 7, 2006 8:59:53 GMT -5
Here's a working link to Skytroll's post: tinyurl.com/fxuwzAdd to that, teaching kids to play with microworms. Look at second picture, doesn't it look familiar? This is how to get it to kids. We may not be giving it to our kids. Is this taught in school, are these in labs at school? www.aqualandpetsplus.com/Live%20Food,%20Microworms.htm Like I say every agency including the Education system doing its part to inflict everyone. skytroll
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Post by specuelatin on Oct 7, 2006 9:11:53 GMT -5
We had a similar thread not too long ago, and one theory proposed very simple, that the Mexican population is simply immune to some critter that they carry, but we just don't have that immunity. It never bothered them for however long they have carried it, so it has never been investigated. They transit up here, they hop off on to our lame immune systems and wala! It is all very plausible, until you think about how freekin' bizarre this is. How the "exudate" varies from day to day, but yet looks SO similar, just malformed cousins, must be lots of in-breeding going on to have so many messed up genes..........,some kind of a mutation going on, every bizarre "larva" has it's own special mutated configuration, because its own genetic code is all messed up. Makes you wonder how it could keep reproducing. I think really messed up genetic codes are suppose to make reproduction so unlikely. Then how it changes through stages, progressive, invasive, persistent disabling beyond belief. Really has to make you wonder how "natural" it could really be. AND of course WHY on earth so many who have it, have Lyme, too. yep. spec Oh well, back to talk of how it came up here from Mexico.
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Post by nadie on Oct 7, 2006 15:34:03 GMT -5
Hi,
Outside environment September, 2005. ( Mexico)
1.spider mites and webbing all over my outside house plants and outside walls. (possible mite connection) ? 2. floating fibers inside my house and outside through out the town( stores, restaurants, etc.) 3. chem trails. 4. A rat in my house. (which I killed and removed) possible mite connection? 5.Bird nest. (which I removed) possible mite connection?
Nadie' s internal environment 2005. (test results)( Mexico)
Hemangioma ( Don't know about this one but found out in Mexico) H.pylori ( treated in 03, 04 & 05) still have it 06 .( Mexico) Entamoeba Histolytica (2002,03,04,05&06) ( Mexico) Typhoid H&O (2005)( Mexico) Para Typhoid B. (2005)( Mexico) Proteus ox19 (2005 ( Mexico) ( possible mite connection) Internal Fungus (2006)( Mexico)
How is that for an immune system being out of whack. I took stool tests every 4 months while living in Mexico. Entamoeba Histolytica and Typhoid is like getting a cold down there. Going out to eat is like playing Russian Roulette. I only drank bottled water and always disinfected my vegetables. I washed my hands and used waterless hand cleaners after handling money and produce. All the above was from eating out at restaurants (I only went to allegedly "clean" restaurants.
I retired in 2001. Before moving to one of the 10 best places to retire to in the world (so the book said), I had all test done; blood, urine, Xrays, scopes, lung test etc. I had a clean bill of health. I was always in good shape. I ran and worked out 4x a week, no smoking and pretty much watched what I ate.
Here ,There and Everywhere. Insects bites, insects and parasites landing in & on our food, people not washing their hands when handling our food, what they are using to grow our food, what is in our air and water etc etc. The list goes on and on.
I LOVE MEXICO, I JUST WISH THAT I DIDN'T GET SICK.
All the best,
Nadie
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Post by questionhair on Oct 7, 2006 21:01:29 GMT -5
Abbie, Thanks for the appology. I guess when everything in your life is going down the tubes, ie., finances, an art gallery i've been trying to open for 6 months now, my looks, my social life and family who believes me to the point of not wanting to be around, one can get a little sensitive. I think it has something to do with bugs coming out of me..... Actually the last time i went to mexico, i went to a beach that had these very strange bugs on the sand. Needless to say i did not stay or lay down on the sand. I left with a fever that lasted two weeks. I don't know. Any possiblity is a possibility at this time. A while back, maybe a year or so ago, someone else posted about strange bugs in the sand at a beach in Mexico. Don't remember if it was this board, or the old closed down N-U-S-P-A board or some other board. But, I wonder if it was the same beach. They also talked about watching a dog on the bug-infested beach and the strange behavior of the dog (I think the dog "passed out" or something, revived and walked on strangely - best to find the original thread as my recollection can be mixed up with other threads). Perhaps, if I remember correctly, they were even warned by the locals to stay away from that beach. I find the Search function on this board to be difficult to handle, but perhaps if you find just the right keywords you can find the same story in past threads and if the person is still active maybe you can compare notes or geography. QH
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Post by pamca on Oct 7, 2006 23:28:14 GMT -5
Hi Abbienormal. To answer your questions. I live in West Hollywood, Ca. The place I was working with recent Mexican immigrants was in the valley. They were really nice people, but I think I contracted lyme from body lice that someone was carrying. Also, there is the fly connection. Eggs could be carried on clothing. I didn't notice any white airborn stuff, but I wasn't looking. When I got sick, I immediately contacted my boss, asking if anyone else at work was sick. No one was. So whoever said that the Mexican people are immune to this may be right. ------ My advice is to boycott any clothing made in Mexico. (After what happened to me from wearing new clothing I bought from Land's End, that was made in Mexico.) Oh, and I sometimes ate with my co-workers. They would pass around pizza, and I would use utensils passed to me. My hands are terribly infected. Right now I am using gloves to write on my keyboard, because I always infect it otherwise. This stuff is so easy to pass on through touch. I even use gloves to put on anti-fungal creams when I go to bed. My back is so infected that rubbing lotion on it will cause tiny pieces of the skin on my hands to be scraped off. Like there are sharp shards in the skin. That doctor (Wymore?) who says he can't find the organism causing this, says he won't test the fibers coming from our skin. What!!! We can't treat ourselves because we don't know what the fibers are. Not testing the fibers is crazy. If we can irritate them and cause them to come out, then they are alive. Maybe they are the organism that is living in our skin. We need the fibers tested! Pam
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