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Post by bugsalive2 on May 2, 2005 23:26:23 GMT -5
Alternate cellular energy pigments mistaken for parasitic skin infections by W. Jonn Martin Dermatologists and psychiatrists occasionally encounter patients who believe they are infested with skin parasites. They may report seeing threads, fibers and more solid appearing particles attached to their skin and hair, or appearing on clean bed sheets after sleeping. Some of the particles move spontaneously suggesting a life form. Similar structures develop in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. They are termed alternate cellular energy pigments (ACE pigments) since they appear to provide a non-mitochondria source of cellular energy that can assist in cellular repair from the virus cytopathic effect (CPE). Particles obtained from the skin of stealth virus-positive patients can also display auto-fluorencence and electrostatic properties. Some of the particles are magnetic and can generate gas in an aqueous solution. They also lead to the production of lipid-like crystals similar to those produced in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. It is proposed that skin-derived particles that form in some of the patients assumed to be experiencing a delusional parasitosis, are in reality, a reflection of the body's production of ACE pigments. For the whole article, click the link below. www.s3support.com/Alternativecellularenergypigmentsmistakenforparasitic.pdfBugs Alive
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Post by adapted on May 2, 2005 23:33:37 GMT -5
SUPERB!!! Thanks a million, and I'm praying!
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Post by linda on May 3, 2005 10:28:37 GMT -5
Great article Bugs!
Thanks again for your insightful info.
Linda
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Post by Hope on May 22, 2005 22:54:15 GMT -5
I don't know how I missed this one. Bugs , your the best!!!! These are the black specks that when allowed to take hold, turn into the "freckles" I have. These "freckles are fading since I have been treating for Morgellons! Where are they coming from? The blood? Or are they reproducing within the skin only? Any theory's on that?
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Post by bugsalive2 on May 23, 2005 13:44:56 GMT -5
Hope,
These particles are said to be conglomerates of microscopic elements with a varied mineral composition. They are believed to be a non-mitocondrial source of cellular energy. I don't know, but I would think that their production is stimulated by damaged cells.
Bugs Alive
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Post by JEFF on May 23, 2005 13:54:42 GMT -5
great find/ It would interesting to ask swartz what he thinks about this? or dr john martin what he thinks about the bacteria theory or do are they both somehow right..crazy..at least there working on it thank god.
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Post by to bugs on May 23, 2005 13:58:14 GMT -5
why didnt you post this at nuspa? are you afraid!!!!??Or are you playing two faces..One the bugs version for nuspa and one the virus version for lyme busters!!get some guts tell them there not really seeing bugs!!
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Post by jodyann52 on May 23, 2005 14:10:52 GMT -5
Hope, These particles are said to be conglomerates of microscopic elements with a varied mineral composition. They are believed to be a non-mitocondrial source of cellular energy. I don't know, but I would think that their production is stimulated by damaged cells. Bugs Alive
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Post by jodyann52 on May 23, 2005 14:17:46 GMT -5
bugs could this be the little black rocks i see in my car?i cleaned my car yeasterday and there were some. i dident see any until i vacuum the car.it sure looks like the same thing. thanks for the info...
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Post by adapted2 on May 23, 2005 19:02:58 GMT -5
Adding my two cents worth here, basing it purely on my sometimes faulty memory, I believe that photogenesis "could be" involved in this process. As I said, this is something in the recesses of my mind, but perhaps worth checking back into. Even with my lack of knowledge, about anything, back when I had been so ill with Morgellons, the conclusions that I came to, which allowed my recovery, fall more in line with Dr. Martin's discoveries, than anything else.
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Post by adapted2 on May 23, 2005 21:32:43 GMT -5
why didnt you post this at nuspa? are you afraid!!!!??Or are you playing two faces..One the bugs version for nuspa and one the virus version for lyme busters!!get some guts tell them there not really seeing bugs!! You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. Read some old posts of Bugs' and screw your head back on. --- Adapted
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Post by bugsalive2 on May 23, 2005 22:14:01 GMT -5
To: To Bugs
Apparently you're the one with no guts. Otherwise you would use your regular handle. If you knew anything about me, you would know that I have only made one post since I left there, and I only did that because someone was looking for me. I havn't been telling the people at NUSPA that Morgellons has anything to do with bugs. I didn't believe that when I was there, and I certainly didn't profess it. The Collembola theory is nonsense and I told them so. I suppose Lois deleted the posts though. I don't know who you are, and I sure don't want to know, but you don't know me either. You're just a loud mouth, spitting out lies and trying to cause trouble.
Bugs Alive
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Post by Hope on May 23, 2005 23:27:07 GMT -5
Let's give credit where credit is due here. This is the first article I have ever read that completely jives with everything I have witnessed on my body about this disease. I do not have bugs and I never thought I did. Can't speak for anyone else but no one can convince me that what I have is a bug. All I have are fibers and bugs don't make fibers. That's why I don't go to that other website and never will. I KNOW I DON"T HAVE BUGS!!!!!
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Post by adapted on May 24, 2005 1:24:10 GMT -5
I did have bugs, worms, vegetable matter,and a whole lot more, in 2002, for about two months. I was also, a bloody speck & fiber spitting mess, raw from head to toe. I got over it, though, when I was at threshold of death, and knew I had to. There's too much going on with this, for there to be any easy answers, but Bugs Alive & Greema (maybe more, I apologize, I don't know), have mentioned Dr. Martin's findings on here before. I drew my own conclusions as to what I had experienced in 2002, at the time, and tried hard to put the memory behind me, just to have it return, in a lesser degree, the following spring. Dr. Martin's research jives with me too, ever since I first heard of it. I'll leave the rest of what was wrong with me to speculation, even though i still have evidence left over from the experience. As a whole, we probably have lots of different things going on, combined coinfections, and such, that are behind the reasons our bodies produce the speck and fiber symptoms of Morgellons, which I believe are ACE pigments. I just fail to see how some numbskull can have the audacity to attack Mr. Bugs like this, and I am appalled by their gall and THEIR OWN gut-less ignorance.
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Post by Jeff on May 24, 2005 9:30:34 GMT -5
It first I thought I had bugs. I spent over a year a the scabies board,when I came to nuspa I then found out I had strongolyus monosperigum the university of bejing fiber spinning nematode!! remember that craze!! I got caught up. they were all my friends back then!!when I agreed with them!!After a while of not seeing bugs I started thinking smaller and smaller!!i started posting about onoch, and leismanis ect. Since I got sick while in mexico I had a good reason..The derm laughed me out of his office. when I mentioned leishmanis, Ha ha your face would be ate off if you had that,,,ha ha you dont have leismanis...ha ha,..after a while I became convinced I had a fungus..even anti fungals really helped..then swartz just literally nailed it and now IM transformed into a maltophilite..I still post at nuspa. I do it because I understand where the newbys are mentally cause Ive been there. I dont want them to go through what ive been through. And with half the board taken up with collembia posts, well somebodys got to tell their story. And I think the poster was a little hard on you bugs. But I agree with one point..I think your somewhat of a legend over there. Ive talked to a sufferer on the phone from nuspa and you are talked about. So you should post from time to time with you experenced thinking. It is possible to save poeple. One person over there I kept getting in their face with the swartz thing. they finally called him and were converted treated and apparently cured. 30 days now with no meds and no lesions...they did the full avelox and septra chemo...but it shows that it pays to post from time to time otherwise the will just get themselves all worked up. (like we all were at one time) and start naming every antropod on the planet. the reporters find the site and start reading. You know what this stuff sounds like from a outsiders point of veiw..Well I can tell you a university of georgia reasearcher has caught on..did a interview with poeple and started mailing out all these dop brochures...I think one was entiteld you think you have bugs?....so you can see how this can damage all of us next time we to the doctor...with all the work swartz and martin and the morg doctors have done for us.. dont you think even if we think we have insects we should go along with the swartz story next time we see our md? other wise you know what your gonna get? my view
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Post by nanoforks on May 24, 2005 17:07:43 GMT -5
Thank you so much bugs! This info is awesome! People can print out and take to their doctors. Is there some reason why "to bugs" hasn't posted this THEMSELVES at NUSPA? I will myself if they're AFRAID to, unless (tell me) there's an obscure reason not to.
Jeff did I miss it? Why haven't you told the NUSPA's board about the person you just wrote about above that your Dr. Schwartz cured? BTW weren't we originally told he'd cured hundreds of Morgellons people (not to mention all the ALS and fibromyalgia patients he's cured with his patent medicines that no other doctor knows about - read about it on his website) when he was first being promoted? - but has anyone ever heard of them or their stories after that? I don't like to be disagreeable to you Jeff, you seem very sincere, but you are so in everyone's face about your Dr. Schwartz, who I personally think, (I'm coming from a medical background,) is off his rocker or a criminal at the very least (he reminds me of my 1969 gynecologist who went nuts on his diet pill samples) that FINALLY I'VE BURST but I know this is the wrong thread for that so I'll stop myself.
Hope I wasn't around for some disagreement and rift between NUSPA and Morgellons.org, so I don't know the whole story, but new people here should know that few NUSPA posters indicate they're bothered by actual bugs, unless as a secondary thing because they've become attractive to insects, etc. At least that's the way it seems to me. I don't think anyone believes that collembolas are the actual cause of our problems, do they? Hope, you don't have to think you have bugs to go there, and there are a lot of remedies shared there, some of which saved my sanity, maybe my life.
Bugs, you are missed at NUSPA, and you're not the only one, but here you are only 2 clicks away! This website/message board is great!
The very best wishes to you from one of your admirerers(sp?)
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Post by bugsalive2 on May 24, 2005 19:32:18 GMT -5
jodyann,
You asked whether or not tiny rocks you found in your car could be a product of Morgellons. I can't say that they are, but it's certainly a possibility.
nanoforks,
Thanks for your input concerning Dr. Schwartz. I agree with you 100 percent.
Respectfully Yours, Bugs Alive
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Post by JEFF on May 24, 2005 20:51:38 GMT -5
i disagree with you 100percent. i consider myself a expert on human behavior. I have been in sales for 10 years on average talking to 30-50 poeple per day..I can read poeple like a book. I had a 45 min phone conversation with dr swartz.. He is one the most sincere individules I have ever met,, I can even beileve he is a doctor..He cares about his patients deeply. He has went out on a limb to help and legitimize our disease with the medical cummunity. I contunie to benifit from his theorpy. he was givin me and several other poeple their lives back. It really hurts to here somebody call him a crack pot...maybe if you had a medical degree and first hand knowledge your opinion would actually mean something but it does not..,And his findings will and are moving forward with or without you..
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Post by Kathy on May 24, 2005 22:36:47 GMT -5
Dear Bugs,
Thanks for posting this great find. Just curious, I have heard before of people having bacterial infections that make their blood fluoresce; has anybody here ever checked that out?
And Dear Jeff, "Been in sales for ten years" explains a lot. I always know when I sign on you will have another fervent epistle posted - Can't say I don't enjoy it, though. No one has to buy what you are selling. I'm recovering from pneumomia, in the unlikely event that anyone missed me. Fourth time in five years.
Kathy
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Post by bugsalive2 on May 25, 2005 0:45:00 GMT -5
Jeff,
My opinions must mean something to you, Jeff, or else you wouldn't be in my face every time I express them.
Tell me. If I brought you a dead animal, and said, Jeff, this is a rabbit and here's proof that this is a rabbit. See the bullet hole. Would you believe it was a rabbit because the bullet killed it? What if it looked more like a kangaroo? Would you still believe it was a rabbit?
That's the way it is with Septra. The fact that it kills the organism that causes your lesions, doesn't mean that it killed the organism that caused mine, which, by the way, were eliminated without antibiotics.
Nor does it mean that the organism is S. maltophilia. In fact, the drug was designed for the purpose of killing E. coli. And with Dr. Schultz charging $1500 to $2000 a pop, don't talk to me about his compassion.
Respectfully Yours, Bugs Alive
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