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Post by sammy on Jan 20, 2007 21:03:35 GMT -5
I never heard anymore about the people using pet meds on this illness. Did any of them work at all ? Is anyone still using them?
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Post by godog on Jan 20, 2007 21:55:16 GMT -5
I still use fenbendazole at least once a month. It keeps me from having those terrible, creepy feelings I get upon waking. Just a dreadful, awful feeling that something evil is in every cell of my body, it is a physical feeling of evil. I don't really know how to explain it very well, but I just hate it and if I take fenben every now and then, I don't get it.
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Post by sammy on Jan 20, 2007 22:28:56 GMT -5
Thanks godog, I haven't heard anyone talk about the pet meds in awhile and I was wondering if any of them had any effect. I pass the info along to others who are trying to treat and who are following this illness. I haven't tried any pet meds. It was kind of you to answer.
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Post by freaky on Jan 21, 2007 4:39:01 GMT -5
I'll try to answer tomorrow. Maybe everyone is sleeping. freaky xo
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Post by tonie on Jan 21, 2007 9:24:14 GMT -5
Lymernick,
Every now and then, about 3X per month, I'll take Fenbendazole I'd purchased from Calvetsupply.com and mix a few drops of water with alittle of the powder to dissolve it, then I add it into alittle face lotion and spread that all over my face, and leave that on for about 8 hours. I think it helps. It's not stopping anything on my face, but I hope that is at least kills something that's alive in it.
The only way I've "stopped" the crawlie tickly feeling in my face, is by literally picking the stuff out. The more I'd gotten out, the less tickling I'd had...So I then knew..that was the only way for me to rid it. And now...no ticklies..not that it's all gone, it's not. I still, every single day get so many what looks like "eggs" out of my lesions. I mean they're full of them. Last week one that I picked out, I watched it hatch. So I know they're eggs, just not sure of eggs from "what" kind of creature.
I've even used Fenbendazole mixed with conditioner and left that too on my head. I'm not positive if that did anything, because I still use Ketoconazole only about once a week now, whereas before I used it everyother day, then 2x a week. Which that worked great for the hair pulling sensations I'd gotten on my head.
If you mix some with lotion, be sure do mix a tad of water first with it, or it won't dissolve. Have to dissolve it first, then mix some into alittle lotion, and something else too...it dries rather quickly. So mixing in some glycerin, which can be purchased almost anywhere, grocery store or drug store, helped it not dry out too, otherwise it gets cakey, and can't work.
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Post by ruth on Jan 21, 2007 17:50:52 GMT -5
i assume we've just about all used pet meds. because that is what's available to morgellon sufferers.
before i got a doc to get scripts, i used several types of abx. , ivermectin, different kinds of wormers , can't remember now all of them from the feed store. the only difference i see between us and other animals is our ability to reason, not that they can use inferior grade of meds.
i know others wonder if the vet drugs are of medical grade and i believe they are the same.
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Post by freaky on Jan 21, 2007 19:18:57 GMT -5
Hi lymernick,
This is the first time I've found the group to be unhelpful, and unresponsive, excluding Godog, & Tony, of course. I had a hard time at first trying to get any help from anybody by posting questions. I had to wait until someone said something about taking these drugs, and write them personally. I met a lot of lovely people this way who I'd probably like to keep in my corner the rest of my life, although there were those who just didn't even take the time to respond.
Must be something about this topic, because I've never found people so unwilling to share, or give out information. I'm sure you, and I are not the only ones interested in finding out what the results of the effects these drugs had on people. I guarantee you that there are a lot of people taking the horse meds, the dog meds, & prescribed meds, who have taken them from the beginning, and have continued to take them, I am disgruntled by it all. I just hope those people are not here just to get information for themselves, and don't have the courtesy to help others. A one liner would do. If I was able to get down, dirty, and nasty, I would, but that's not my forte. That was the best I could do, and I'm not so sure you'll get any more responses from what appears to be an apathetic group on this subject. When people responded to my posts, and I can't say they didn'[t, but they just never seemed to leave me with the feeling they answered my direct question concerning this one subject. Maybe because I can be such a dingbat at times, people could really rip me to shreds if they wanted to, and therefore I have a tendency to cour (SP??) ???rather than exert my feelings, but I'm just gonna do it now lymernick.
This is rude. What is the matter with this group? You've had enough time to respond. Is it any wonder people compare me to Gracy Allen?
Well, so much for that. I really love this group, and things like this don't happen often. I wanted to share my experience with you. I've been taking the horse IverEase mixed with cornmeal, & maybe crushed parasites, for about four, or five days, then I'll take a smidgen of the Fenben tablets for horses. On the bottle, it said 550 lbs. per body weight. I never have been sure if that was different than human body weight, but I pretended it wasn't , so since the pill is divided into three parts, I divided my weight into 550, etc. If you need any info, like this, I'd be happy to help, but I'm not really your best source. Since no one has really spoken up that I can remember, please excuse me if you have, I can only say I went by how the drug affected me, or by all the PM's of others. It seemed like the Iver was most popular, so I took it the most, & since the critters get used to stuff, I'd take the Fenben a day, or 2, & then I like the Pin Worm medication they sell at the drug store, so once every 2 weeks, I take a shot of that. They all seem to have some effect that is good, I'm not sure what. With each drug, it would seem like a specific parasite would exit the premises, making me believe that particular drug was responsible. It could be all mental for all I know, I just think every hassle I have the energy to put myself thru, the better I'll be. Good luck. Let me know if you want more specifics, or PM me anytime. Hugs, freaky
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Post by freaky on Jan 21, 2007 20:38:12 GMT -5
Woops, missed Ruth's post, or she was posting while I was. I feel bad about posting that essay. All I reallly wanted to do was to get the group to respond on this topic, not to put the group down. I'm sorry Group. Please forgive me. I should probably just delet it. What do you think lymernick?
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Post by ebgbgms on Jan 21, 2007 20:42:32 GMT -5
Hi Lymernick, I am one Morgie who has not gone this route yet. But now I'm ready. Look at all the good info Mama Freaky has given!!! I am stopped cold with getting any more meds from my LLMD. So I will be checking this all out. Thanks for the post and TY Freaky. Always, ebgb
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Post by godog on Jan 21, 2007 21:44:42 GMT -5
I think most are just don't want to advise someone to do something drastic. What if they have a reaction to some medicine that's not even for humans? I think they're just being careful and prudent. Some of our little homeremedies a little out there. For instance, I have used kerosene for headlice when their was an epidemic in the school system. My daughter had waist length, thick hair and I couldn't afford that much Rid or whatever the name of that Expensive shampoo is. So I mixed kerosene and shampoo and it works. I knew it did because we are hillbillies and we already knew that. If anyone says "I am going to take pet meds no matter what!" I think people would be very helpful. It's kind of a big decision.
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Post by discovery on Jan 21, 2007 21:54:09 GMT -5
In my case, I didn't post about these med's because I haven't taken any of them so I'm certainly no authority. I only know what I've read about them. It's possible that others haven't posted because they haven't tried them yet either. Key word there is "yet" because I have seriously considered it.
I've taken a course of 12 mg of Stromectol (human ivermectin), two courses of Vermox and one or two of Albenza. Taking animal med's doesn't worry me so much since they seem to get better medical care than we do so I would imagine that their medications are of good quality too.
Just yesterday, a friend told me about an antiparasitic pill that is sold in Mexico and only one pill is needed and that's all that is prescribed. She didn't know the name of it but plans on finding out. Do any of you know what it could be? AbbieN, you seem to know a lot of about the medications available in Mexico.... do you know? Apparently, it is a very strong med and shouldn't be taken more than that and I don't have a clue if the dose is repeated after a period of time or not. If I find out the name of it, that would certainly help being able to research it.
Sorry I couldn't help with the animal med's. I think Niels has posted quite a bit about them and the appropriate doses. You might find his posts with a search.
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Post by See Jane Crawl on Jan 21, 2007 23:30:47 GMT -5
I have been taking the Fenbendazole off & on for about 6 months. I have also taken the Ivermectin off & on. I read something on the internet today, I was looking up which tests are the best to diagnose Fasciola & found a website on how to perform your own stool samples for goats. That was not the part I found interesting, at the bottom of the page the author was giving his opinion of the different anti-parasitic drugs that were on the market for animals. He mentioned Fenbendazole & said that the critters that infest his goats have gotten somewhat immune to the Fenbendazole. He suggested to make the deworming successful you should give 4 x what the package recommends. (I personally tried it this afternoon and took 4 x the dose & do feel a bit better & am not craving carrots or oats yet & am still breathing! I bought the Fenbendazole for horses.) He speculated that the reason for this was because the dosage on the package was not high enough to kill the beasts, it seems it was just enough to get them used to it & to become immune to its effects. I hope our beasts are not as smart the goat variety, because the Fenbendazole has been a life saver to me also. I feel better, less crawly & a little less foggy when taking that. ;D
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Post by sammy on Jan 22, 2007 0:28:09 GMT -5
Thank each and every one of you for all the wonderful answers. I haven't done the pet meds also. One of my scientist asked me to ask the best, and that's you guys. He wonders why they aren't effecting the worms, maybe they are hybrids or some sort of parasite that our meds aren't effecting. Sorry for taking so long to answer, I stay so busy. Each answer was just so warm and kind. So glad to hear from each of you. Has anyone one heard from cheeta? I so want to see these things in our blood. You guys stay healthy & warm. Many thanks for all your answers. I'll try to be back later. You guys are all so dear to me. Hang in there and keep up the great work.
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Post by freaky on Jan 22, 2007 18:06:24 GMT -5
Thanks Seee Jane Crawl. I took a larger piece of the Fenben pill, & this morning I had lots of little babies make their exit into the real world. The fenben kills the babiies, right? - or is that the Ivermec? Thanks for your support Ebgb. You're a real sweetheart. I'm so sorry to hear what you're going thru. I'm not very good at acting normal when I'm mad. You're such a great MOM.
Lub,freaky
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Post by Niels on Jan 22, 2007 21:22:16 GMT -5
I go into all sorts of stuff about fenben dosing in "pet meds for human morgies"... lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=1154759011the "horse dose" is too low... that's to rid a horse of intestinal worms by taking an oral medicine... to rid an animal of somatic larvae, for example, there's veterinary papers talk about dosing animals daily for weeks or months. I've been taking fenben at 30mg/kg (6x horse dose) daily for a few months. Also ivermectin alternating days at 400ug/kg (double horse dose) "Prazi Pond" Praziquantel at 50mg/Kg alternating days, with lots of breaks because it's nasty. oxytetracycline 2g/day i also recently added a prescription med that my insurance was actually willing to pay for -- rifampin !! Meanwhile, insurance is denying my LLMD's scrips for Alinia, Praziquantel, Tindamax, Itraconazole, Ivermectin, claiming "no medical justification for use of this medicine" ... at least I can get the Prazi as a pet medication.... $3000.00/month versus $150.00/month... same chemical... if you didn't have the dough, which would you choose??
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Post by godog on Jan 22, 2007 22:12:25 GMT -5
So Niels, how are you feeling? Is it helping alot?
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