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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 9:49:42 GMT -5
I'm noticing, actually it's fact. All of the "lesions" that have tunnels beneath the skin they ALL go upwards, every single one of them.
If this were strictly "parasites" then the tunneling would be random, and parasites that are carnivores would tunnel every which direction.
I'm seeing with the utmost consistency, all the tunnels under the skin point up...just like "plants" grow in an upward growth, and it doesn't matter where the lesions with the tunnels, they all point up.
Also what I'm seeing is most of my "critters/parasites" seem to be dying off because of the 8 months straight on Ivermectin, YET what's in my tunnels under the skin, actually what is making them, seem to look just like "roots of a plant", which those are very long and white, and I'm thinking this is roots of a plant under the skin.
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Post by cozmikanjel on Feb 26, 2007 15:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by cozmikanjel on Feb 26, 2007 15:17:05 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 15:27:48 GMT -5
Hi Coz,
No and thanks for posting those pics...but what I mean is they're actual tunnels.
Like if one dug a tunnel underground from here to there, they're hollow tunnels about 1 mm in diameter....and these "plant root" looking long white things, that look just like roots, I mean roots...like if you were to yank up a tree - there's the roots - well...that is what I'm seeing tons of inside my skin. Roots no different than roots of a tree, and those are making hollow tunnels beneath the skin when they're removed.
This is now more frightening and sickening to me than the critters eating away. I can see these roots. And I'm sorry I'm going on about this...but it's true.
Have you ever put toothpicks in an avacado seed, and watched the roots grow off it? Or better yet...like a lima bean on a wet paper towel. It grows a long white root off of it.
Well..in the skin are loooong roots forming, big time.
And those make hollow tunnels when they're pulled out.
They also seem to melt into the skin, and encircle lesions, those ones that pull up as many call them the "zippers"...because when you attempt to pull the fiber from the skin, they take skin with it, well...that's what else is growing in the subcutaneous, long roots, and I think they "hold" open the lesions, as the "plant roots" need oxygen to keep growing. "Just my thoughts" from what I'm seeing.
Now...it could very well be "Bacillus too" mixed with Agrobacterium, which would be very probable at this point in time...and that might too explain the writhing of these fibers also.
Did you see that video on the "moving, twirling, writhing Bacillus"?
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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 15:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by reasonable on Feb 26, 2007 16:05:00 GMT -5
Tonie, so good to see you back!
When you say go upwards, do you mean up to the surface of the skin or up towards the head? Because when I had it bad, it grew down my legs and spread in the calves just below the knee bend. I hardly ever had opened lesions. Instead, numerous small slightly raised and pigmented blemishes appeared all over the skin.
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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 16:50:58 GMT -5
Hi Reasonable,
Yes, I mean upwards towards the head. Yes.
And your's went down your legs.
Did you have the tunnels?
I can see this so clearly, and inside each sore, after alot of the stuff is picked out, the 'hole' literally bends upwards toward the sky, every single one, they don't look it, unless you really get in there, then it's like oh my GOD this tunnel also goes upwards.
I am wondering...and this is only a thought/possibility. But would you give it some thought and reply.
Lets "just for the upwards" sake, let me ask you if this could be a possibility okay.
Lets say the "stuff" was first in your lower calf. But so deep that you couldn't see it because it wasn't near the surface.
Now...the "stuff" grows upwards, and towards the surface of the skin.
So "could it be" possible, that where it "showed" itself was at the top of your leg, "only" cause it extended outwards as it grew upwards, then came near the surface to where it appeared that is where it began.
Then as more got "near" the surface of your skin, it only followed back to the lower calf where it actually "maybe" infact did start and surfaced it's way closer to the outside of the dermis because it needed more oxygen?
Does that make sense? And do you feel that's a possibility?
In a way, this is a stupid question...I know, because heck 'anything' is possible at this point. But to see these blatent tunnels all going up towards the sky...got me thinking about "plants" and how they seem to naturally go "upwards" no matter how they're planted.
Thank you.
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Post by reasonable on Feb 26, 2007 17:29:53 GMT -5
Yes, it is a possibility and the stuff not only grew down my legs but also up my head. But the tops of my calves was where it spread the thickest and I could see it under the skin. It looked like a web of whitish stretch marks. The growth was not immediately under the skin, but a bit beneath the surface and it made my calves look as if I had cellulite there. At those times I had cramps in my calves after excercise, which I never had before nor after I got rid of the most of the growth. I also felt at the time that it was clogging the lymphatic system.
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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 17:37:37 GMT -5
Reasonable,
Thank you for elaborting, yes...I know what you mean!
I "sure don't know" but I have theories..as we all do. I think that white webbing, is the bacillus, but it's "tainted" with agrobacterium and then the critters are loving it.
I know some people who've had serious complications from this too because it literally keeps growing and choking out normal body functions.
And yes, I totally agree in that the lymps are involved.
Are both of your legs "involved" or just the one?
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Post by reasonable on Feb 26, 2007 17:40:58 GMT -5
Both legs equally. I believe it is a plant. That's what they find in all biopses, right? Debris and plant material.
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Post by mofomackadong on Feb 26, 2007 19:16:24 GMT -5
Cozmikanjel, that photo is possessed , look at it again, really closely. Either I'm having an acid flash back or I need to be hit upside the head to set my eyes straight. I've noticed this with all morgellons photos- if u look closely they move around its so weird! I THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH TIME TRAVEL- SPEED OF LIGHT ECT. I BELIEVE THIS IS DEFINATELY AN EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL ORGANISM. ALOT OF THINGS HAVE LED ME TO BELIVE THIS. ONE HAVING TO DO WITH THE FIBERS. I BELIEVE WE GOT THE IDEA OF FIBER OPTICS FROM AN ALIEN AIRCRAFT LONG AGO. AND ALOT OF OTHER TECHNOLOGY-INCLUDING NIGHT VISION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OTHERS BELIEVE THIS IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.
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Post by browncircles on Feb 26, 2007 19:25:53 GMT -5
I think if you take ivermectin alot you see less black "fiber worms" and move of the white "root fibers". They are under our skin in completely normal looking areas of skin.
Tam says that is is plant, insect (multiple), worm, mammal, protozoan, fungal and cyanobacteria. There's more I can't remember.
He says that is can change to another aspect. It's the only thing that makes sense to me based on what I've seen as I've treated it with different things. This is going to be one hard organism to get rid of.
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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 19:32:47 GMT -5
Browncircles, Yep, sure does sound like that's on the track of all this mess.
And Reasonable, yes...all of mine too, symmetrical. For every 6 I have on my right side of my face, I've got 6 serious spots on my left side too matching the same exact locations. Just a flip flop of the same pattern.
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Post by gertie on Feb 26, 2007 20:30:02 GMT -5
Toni, I have been waiting for you to come back. I recently started posting, even though I used to just read on these sites. I had noticed right before your computer began having problems, that you had mentioned having a 'web' going underneath your skin on your face. I have had the sensation of that for about a year, but beginning about 3 months or so ago, it became visible. We can see white lines going all over my face, near the hairline, above the brow, and around the nose being the most visible. It freaks me out!! On some of the lines there is a circular line also. Do you notice that? Do you have movement in your head or face? I just don't see how even if they discover what exactly it is, how they would be able to get rid of it since it goes all throughout the skin, organs and lymph nodes. I guess they can do a lot now in medicene, if only they would begin believing us and work on a cure!
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Post by toni on Feb 26, 2007 21:34:22 GMT -5
Hi Gertie,
I used to be awakened every single morning for months on end, by one thing. It was as though ants were crawling under the skin in my face. That is was woke me up in the worst way.
I don't have that anymore at all. Thank God.
I've been on meds, Bactrim, Fluconazole, (now Itraconazole) and Ivermectin for 8 months.
I still had the crawlies in my face very bad even though all those meds were taken. Now...my body crawlies and lesion count are down to hardly any now - I do attribute all that to the meds.
The only thing that did in fact relieve me of the crawlies (in my face)...is literally picking out the growth in my face, the larvae which was "abundant" and the "plant" looking roots I've got going on now.
I can see it so clearly, heck "no more face" I'm kidding...I am kidding..but I use TCA 20% acid, and waterless instant hand sanitizer, and a needle, and am removing it like crazy. I also have Hy-tape in which to cover them till the next day, and Bismuth Subgallate to heal them up. So I don't believe if I weren't using all this stuff, that I'd be at this "mark" yet. But, there's still a ways to go...cause only GOD knows what this does to the insides. I'm taking supplements too, and eating right, "mostly"....but even when I splurge on sugar, no crawlies still.... (knock on every tree)
Now...when I pick this white long stuff out, there's the tunnels...but I'm getting those filled in on the ones that all the "critters" and "plant" were in...skin will "fill" after everything is out first.
There's still lots remaining, but nothing like it was. I have 12 serious lesions on my face, my body ones have and are all fading away.
But the face, UGH. That is where I got blasted the most with this contamination.
But I'm working daily on the spots.
When I will feel a hint of a tickle in one of my spots, then the next day I go to work on it, and I see that I'd not gotten all the "long" white things out, and that's what was giving me that sensation...so once that's out, the tickling stops.
But the problem is...there is SO much of it in there...takes weeks of diligently and carefully working on it, picking slowly but surely, and I'm seeing the tunnels it's left...which is absolutely unreal too. But, skin heals, I just want this out.
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Post by cozmikanjel on Feb 26, 2007 22:12:48 GMT -5
toni, im a bit confused. aren't these "tunnels' your describing what you are finding inside a lesion....just after pulling off a lesion/scab? and when u look it looks to be a deep, hollowed out hole, right? now w pic...im representing the scab itself with an ATTACHED (but somewhat shorter) "root system"/cysts conglomerates. in my photobucket i call this a "root system'. You see the hollowed out "tunnels" that are inside skin/body >> AFTER you pull part of it out with scab. isnt that what u r saying? sorry, just wanted to clarify. thanks, anj
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Post by Carrie♥ on Feb 27, 2007 1:15:07 GMT -5
Reasonable, Thank you for elaborting, yes...I know what you mean! I "sure don't know" but I have theories..as we all do. I think that white webbing, is the bacillus, but it's "tainted" with agrobacterium and then the critters are loving it. I know some people who've had serious complications from this too because it literally keeps growing and choking out normal body functions. And yes, I totally agree in that the lymps are involved. Are both of your legs "involved" or just the one? Tonisue...hey Momma. Happy to be back huh!?! You're funny. Try some asthma meds on your skin. I'm finding many of my tracks are my or have been my bodies response to my parasitic infection. Boyfriend hates me for that. I'd NEVER thought I'd come to this day but it's true. They call them allergies...right? Allergic to worm antigens...they know this. Ewe...don't get me started! "In areas of the world where parasitic diseases are common, they are the usual cause of eosinophilia. In developed nations, eosinophilia is most often due to allergy or, less often, a drug reaction. There are numerous other causes of eosinophilia, but individually they are quite uncommon." Because we don't have parasitic infections here right? How many people have allergies though? Hayfever? BS? I have the tracks too Toniesue...something that kept the fire burning. There's articles that talk about the radiating and migrating larva tracks or burrows that cause fibrosis and are found to be engulfed by a trail of eosinophils...that can turn into the charcot-leyden crystals. The tracks, about the size of 1mm. Those tracks take forever to heal...still not sure if they ever heal at all. They treat some asthma with betamethasone, I've tried it before but I never give myself enough time with stuff...I want it to work like five minutes never mind eight hours. Plus I don't think I've really ever killed parasites that don't live in the intestine before Christmas either. I think if you still have an active parasitic infection, no matter what the clunky, thick skin will reform. Not now...there's a difference. We've been so dogged but we've got to consider what has been seen over and over and over again by the degree holders that have seen our slides...slide after slide and tell us that it's nothing but our own skin, our own tissue. I'm not saying we don't have worm parasites at skin level, I believe very much that we do. I believe the connection with parasitic infection, eosinophils, charcot-Leyden crystals, our glass slivers and the echo of his very credible voice telling me if it wasn't for our blue fibers our disease would be considered a chronic inflammatory disease. That's gotta mean something...those things go hand in hand. They're still full of it...denial...scared to face the possibility of their own reality? They just don't know how bad it is for us. It's still a liver fluke disease though . I love and miss you.
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Post by gertie on Feb 27, 2007 1:54:46 GMT -5
Thanks so much, Tonie, for going into detail. I took Ivermectin (horse paste!) and Tetracycline the first year I had this. Minimal crawlies, strong movement now. I was reading an article in Prevention magazine and they were talking about Skin Sleuthing, where you can go and see a "photo" of what is going on underneath your skin. I thought about doing that, although if this webbing does show up on there, I would completely freak them out! But, it can't hurt, I think I'll give it a try.
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Post by toni on Feb 27, 2007 9:55:15 GMT -5
Hi Caaarie!
I throughly understand all you're saying. Yes the Charcot-leyden crystals, yes, makes total sense from a "parasitic infestation" what the body "does" when it's under that type 'stress' I'll call it. And eosinophils, and even hotter...the "fibrosis" BIG YES.
In fact something that's been "tugging" at me since I saw Dr. Katona at UCLA, the "biotask force chairman for the state of CA" and an infectious disease doc, (supposedly) I'm being sarcastic towards him, (((because he told me I needed a shrink))) but "one" of his email addresses WAS/IS "fibrosis" etc.
Now...I KNEW he KNEW "better" when he saw me, and the hundreds of other families he bragged about seeing with the exact same thing I have (Morgs) , and told me he told them the same solution, see a shrink.
I know he knows. I also believe he IS part of the investigation in CA by the CDC....not that that does us any good right now, but why I'm saying this is because all you say, I do believe it's also correct!
I also believe, which out of the kindness of Prevenge, he sent me a link "while I was unable to access the board" a link on ACE (stealth) viruses. When I dug deeper into that, which there's not alot of info, but I saw pictures. And that TOO is exactly what I'm getting out of my tunnels...I'll try and find the pics, and post them, because that is daily, that "stuff".
And all you said, yes....I finally "caught" up...hahaha and I get it, and I see just what you mean now. It's all because of....which that part I feel is the "initial" contamination from the gut of an insect that bit us vectoring the agro. Not sure how you feel about that part...but that's how it "feels" to me.
Love you, Momma
And Coz,
Yes, I know what you're asking. The "punch outs" I call them, that are left in the skin after the "fake scabs" are removed.
Here's the kicker. Those punch outs? They have a tunnel that branches upwards off of them. They're hard to see because the lining of the interior of those punch outs look like our tissue when in fact they are not.
They are lined with "this nightmare stuff, and inbetween the layers of sub dermal tissue that looks like "filo dough" layers".
And once the right products are applied inside the punch outs, then that dissolves, and then there it is...the "tunnel" which branches off deep within the skin, about 1/4" of an inch deep. Not sure how far the tunnels run, but they're full of eggs and gelatinous crud, not sure what that crud is either, but some of it looks just like the pics of that "stealth virus crap". I'm dead serious, exactly.
I've only found one thing, and if you've never used this (TCA acid) and decide to, please let me know, and I'll help give you the do's and don'ts with it. It's very safe, if used properly, that is what I use daily, and it's absolutely amazing how much stuff wouldn't be seen if this wasn't used. With the TCA, I'm able to also clean the tunnels out. Takes a long time, but it works, I've actually not found anything else to remove this crud except that...and it helps heal the skin inside too.
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Post by cozmikanjel on Feb 27, 2007 10:08:01 GMT -5
thanks tonie...i hear ya....
in fact NONE of this skin is MINE anymore. and my hair.....is NOT MY hair anymore.
(ALMOST) ALL OF ME HAS BEEN REPLACED!!!!!
I am a >> MIMIC << of MY OLD SELF!
...... but NOT my MIND nor my SPIRIT!
anj
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