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Post by abbienormal on Apr 5, 2007 5:32:29 GMT -5
Several months before I realized I had the "dreaded M," I suffered from what I thought was kidney pain. The Dr. said it was not my kidneys. Well, anyhoo, it was an excrutiating twisting knifing pain in both areas near the kidneys, especially the right one. This lasted off and on for a few months. Then it went away. (it happened in Feb, March, April about 2 years ago.
Well, in the last few months I have found (same time of year) what feels like cysts in the same kidney areas. I am experiencing pain again but it is a little different, more throbbing than knifing, hard to explain. The right one is a lot more painful and it grows to be at least 3 times the size of the left one and then it goes back down again. (when the right one enlarges, I imagine it in my mind's eye to look like silicone implants for some reason, now isn't that a coincidence, NOT!) It becomes so sensitive, I cannot even touch it.
I have not been able to figure out what triggers the swelling and/or the pain.
Anybody have these little cyst like pouches develop in the kidney area? Remember what Dr. Hildy said about the kidney area being the correct Ph for silicone production? And the plot thickens...........
AbbieN
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Post by prevenge on Apr 5, 2007 7:49:32 GMT -5
abbie.. i had the EXACT same thing.. i thought it was from just bad health.. diet.. smoking.. etc.. and my kidneys having more than enough to filter out...
exactly what i thought when i heard her say that about the kidney PH.
during my initial pains.. ihad a rash over my right kidney/upper thigh area. it's still there and has spread.
-M
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Post by victoreah on Apr 5, 2007 8:04:45 GMT -5
SAME THING happened to me - also two years ago. I ended up in the emergency room. I thought I had kidney stones - but the pain - also mostly on the right side - twisting knife feeling too - became so unbearable I could not stand it. On a scale from 1-10 - the pain was an 11! In the emergency room they gave me IV percoset and that dulled the pain, but it did not go completely away. They ran all kinds of tests - determined it was NOT kidney stones - there was a trace of blood in my urine - but they could not explain that. They did tell me I had a fatty liver -detected while doing the ultrasound. They sent me home with a prescription for Percodan and Skelaxin (strong pain med and muscle relaxers) and I was still in pain for about 2 weeks. To this day I don't know what caused that - I have not experienced the cyst thing to my knowledge - but wanted to let you know about the other.
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Post by suebee on Apr 5, 2007 18:07:26 GMT -5
Me too, same side and also they found blood in my urine. The doctor said I had a bladder infection, was about 4 years ago. I'm a lady and know what a bladder infection feels like. there was no burning when I went pee pee. The pain was in the area of my kidneys in my back, twisting, stabbing and bringing me to my knees, also passed a small white/tan thing that looked like a moon. When i told doctor about it he said cresent or full, he was a real smarta-- about it.
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Post by life on Apr 5, 2007 18:10:24 GMT -5
Me too -- about a year ago.
I thought it was from the Alinia I had tried as they warn of reanl issues.
Does anyone know how to get the pH in the kidneys back?
life
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Post by prevenge on Apr 5, 2007 18:35:48 GMT -5
life.. back?
do you mean back to a non alkaline rating of 7 or so? ... i don't know about that.. that wouldn't neccessarily be going back to a former state..
the lower intestine and kidney area have a natural pH of 10+
i don't know how you'd bring that down.. don't know if you'd want to.
i mean MAYBE we want to.. i would just do a bit more research into what kind of effects it would cause you if it was lowered in the kidneys.
one thing's for sure if you have no alkaline in your body, then this silica can't become the silicone gell that causes the genesis of this.
but then again.. your body would have to be completely acidic for this to happen.. which is prime conditions for bacteria and fungi to grow in.
-M
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Post by abbienormal on Apr 5, 2007 18:55:40 GMT -5
Prevenge,
Do you know where the silica comes from in the first place that is in the kidney/adrenal area that turns into the silicon gel?
Thanks, AbbieN
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Post by prevenge on Apr 5, 2007 20:46:46 GMT -5
contrails? anesthesiologists? food? tap water?
dunno.
sorry.
just know that t begins as silica and needs to be in an alkaline environment to become the silicone gel according to Dr. Stanninger.
-M
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Post by See Jane Crawl on Apr 5, 2007 20:48:45 GMT -5
Aren't there any herbs or vitamins that are good for cleansing the kidneys? I know Milk Thistle is good for the liver.
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Post by life on Apr 5, 2007 21:46:46 GMT -5
Pre~~
I mean back Up. I am extrmemely acidic and no matter what I do, I seem to be fighting this battle.
Dr. Overman states in his book in almost all Morgs patients he has seen, they have silica in their bodies and have an extrmemely low pH.
He didn't find silica in mine, but did find I am near death as far as my pH goes.
life
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Post by betsy on Apr 5, 2007 23:51:35 GMT -5
Life- What do you mean by extremely low ph? I think about 7 is a good ph number. I run more acid and about 5.5 - 6.0 but haven't checked it lately.
Abbie- I don't know if this counts, but in late fall before the infestation and rash and crawling symptoms, I had 7 or 8 weeks of pain in the lower right quadrant of the abdomen. My doctor first thought it was the appendix and had me STAT for ultra sound and then CT scan. They found nothing. There were more tests but nothing turned up.
The pain-ache eventually went away. Recently it has returned but far less acute. Feels like a quiet inflammation in the lower right and sometimes the lower left.
I wonder if it has to do with the urinary tract as there have been white specks in the urine off and on for 2 years and the "out of the country parasitologist" gave a warning with his findings from urine specimen. (Normal lab urine tests have only turned up minor concerns--a few blood cells in the urine--but never told me of a serious problem.)
Anyway- I, too, had pains in the abdomen which subsided and have returned to a lesser degree, but now spread over a wider area than before.
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Post by lydski on Apr 6, 2007 0:26:19 GMT -5
I also had serious pain where the kidneys are just about a month ago. I've never had a bladder, urinary or kidney infection. But I thought it was probably one or the other. I kept saying to myself if it doesn't get any better tommrow I'm going to the er. My son had a few lortabs left over from some dental work and I took those and they helped cope. To me if felt like labor pain. I did have all my labor pains in my back. It finally went away. Thank Goodness. I swear, you never know whats next with this!
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Post by life on Apr 6, 2007 1:44:42 GMT -5
Hi Betsy~~
I can't remember what he said my pH was, just that I was .02 above death. He seemed very concerned. Basically, he said my body was 'shutting down', which I already could feel was happening even before I met with Dr. Overman that day.
As far as pains a year ago, doctors gave me 3 days of Cipro, and it started to clear it up.
From what I've been reading (just a bit so far today), the urine pH should read lower. It means the kidneys are working well.
I too have the white things come out in my urine.
hugs, life
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Post by prevenge on Apr 6, 2007 1:58:42 GMT -5
Aren't there any herbs or vitamins that are good for cleansing the kidneys? I know Milk Thistle is good for the liver. stanninger told me on the phone to take corn silk from a corn husk .. and according to her protocol, take that with a certain amount of water... like 2 cups water / per one half cup cornsilk.. DON'T quote me on tha tone.. but something like that.. to extremely help the kidneys in flushing things.. also she reccommended juicing often .. with a combination of: kale, ginger, beets, apple and carrot to help the kidney. she said beet is extremely high in boron. i have yet to reciever her protocol in my email, and i need to research her facts and nutrition info.. just for my own double-checking habits.. before i ingest anything.. but i'm inclined to take her word for it because... i really felt she was saying only things that would help... again.. research before ingesting check and double check with everything.. .. but these are basic vegetables , so i think you might have a greenlight already. -M
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Post by ivanhole on Apr 6, 2007 3:34:20 GMT -5
abbie i have been chasing that pain for three years now. i've had ultrassounds, ctscans and colonoscopys. (sp) two years ago, one christmas while visiting my familiy in scottsdale, my large intestine suddenly burst. infection quickly set in and the angel of death was at my door. they did emergency surgery and i had the left side, sigmoid colon removed. the said it was most likely a diverticula pouch that burst, but now i have been wondering.
the healing process involved two more surgeries and i was laid up for a good 9 months. all of this was before i had ever heard the M word, but i remember pulling long long stitches out from the incision scar for months and months after that. i would wonder what the hell kind of stitch di they use?
now, i really believe that this thing imitated my stitches. the thought came to me while i had the first episode with that hair i had. the long thick sharp bright hairs were making a cross stitch on my scalp, under the topical hair. i watched as it made X stitches all across the back of my head.
i've had a lot of sudden pain since. about two months ago i was in major knock down drag out pain in the kidney area to the stomach down to the groin and testes. the doc sent to urologist who upon a physical examination found swellings and lumps that he thought were clogged vesicles possibly. the next day i had a ctscan and pelvic ultrasound - nothing was seen and the pictures were diagnosed as normal. so i see the urologist again, and he finds other lumps in different areas than previous. he scheduled me right away for an ultrasound colonoscopy but the lumps he felt were not in that area.
while looking around he was talking to me telling me what he could see. he didn't find anything at first but then spotted something. he went to look at it, it was gone. he thought it was an undetermined cyst. he looked again and it was on the opposite side of my pelvis. i asked him if cysts move and he just said no. i also asked if he saw anything that looked kind of like fibres and i indicated maybe a fybroid cyst, but he said no to that also. he was and is truly confused. he said everytime he sees me i am a different picture.
i am scheduled this next week to have a cytoscopy (sp)? - run a camera up into my bladder. well, after 2 ctscans and 3 ultrasounds and 5 reports of everything normal. i don't think i will put myself thru this next procedure. this pain travels and it comes on so suddenly, really leaving me flat on the floor. and then, maybe an hour or maybe a day goes byand i am able to dance the two step - no pain at all.
i have thought all along that it is pockets or patches of that fibre stuff moving around. my groin gets inflamed and puffy just like my cheeks are and like other areas of stuff under the skin. at this point i think i'd be foolish NOT to think it was this thing. everynow and then i get a jabbing pain in the exact spot that i felt when my intestine burst. it scares the hell out of me to think that some critter chewed its way through, and that it or they will do it again. i can not imagine going thru a year of that business again. i haven't had the pain for at least a month now. if all of this is really from the big M, then i really worry that sommeday it will cause some damage that can not be reversed.
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Post by abbienormal on Apr 6, 2007 4:06:52 GMT -5
Thanks to all for your comments.
The Abbienormals also have very low Ph and cannot get it to raise. I have beens suffering with chronic gastritis for at least 10 years and gi tract problems since at least 1994. I have had hypoglycemia since at least 1985 but I think possibly my entire life. I have patches of lumps all over my body, I think they are swollen lymph nodes.
Prevenge, good info from Dr. Hildy. Do you just peel the cornsilk off of the husk and eat it raw? How much? Sorry for all of the questions. Why do you bring up anesthesiologists? I OFTEN WONDER IF I GOT THE MORGS FROM A SURGICAL PROCEDURE I HAD DONE IN 1997. IS THAT OUR COMMONALITY? Thanks.
Ivan, that is the scariest story by far about surgery, procedures, aches, pains, lumps, etc. Thank God you recovered. Mr. Abbie has also been scoped and CTscanned and nothing ever shows up. He alos gets lumps in the groin area and thinks he has a hernia but the dr. says no.
We both get a HARDENING in the lower right intestines, which when we push on it, it pushes back, then disappears. FREAKY STUFF!
AbbieN
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Post by browncircles on Apr 6, 2007 12:59:34 GMT -5
My husband had a ruptured colon in 2002 and I believe it was from morgellons.
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Post by sisi on Apr 6, 2007 13:26:06 GMT -5
I have done 4 cleanses from Renew Life products available at health food stores. I felt they were safe and effective--I had not done any cleanses prior to this.
I plan on doing 2 more including one for the kidneys.
Here is some information about the herbal contents:
Total Kidney Cleanse is a 2-part system that blends herbs and potassium citrate to help cleanse the kidneys, bladder and urinary tract (Potassium citrate helps to make the urine more alkaline). The herbs found in Total Kidney Cleanse Part I, include cranberry extract, to help promote a normal healthy sterile environment in the urinary tract. Part II of the Total Kidney Cleanse contains alkalizing compounds that are traditionally used to help soothe the kidneys, bladder and the urinary tract. Herbs that help to cleanse the urinary tract include stinging nettle, cornsilk, parsley leaf, dandelion extract and horsetail herb extract. The evening formula contains Uva Ursi leaf extract and potassium citrate.
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Post by suebee on Apr 6, 2007 20:11:53 GMT -5
I really feel like this horror moves through the body. Josh had the tumor in his illium (sorry about my spelling friends) it's the area where the large intestin meets the small. It was found on a friday and on Mon. when we went to the cancer hospital to get pre-surgical testing/mapping done, it was gone. Then a few years later they found the cancer in his brain.
I had two anysurems in my brain, 1991 one burst. Doctor told me I lived because i had very low blood pressure at the time. My take on it was like when I'd have the big bleed from ripping one out and watch it make the fake skin like seal it up, well I think thats what happend in my brain. It starts to sound like i'm relating everything to Morgellons and it really sounds nuts but so help me I know it's true. I had all my babies natural childbirth, 3 with a midwife. They say a person is born with a berry anyuresum, if I had one why didn't it burst with all that straining and pushing? I also have a very large lump that pops up at the v of my rib cage when I bend over and pick up something heavy, i have to push this thing back in my chest to stop the pain that comes when it pops out, as I slowly push it quivers and wiggles back in place. I thought it was something "normal" like a hernia until my doctor told me people don't get hernias there.
I sure will be happy when the answers are found. i'd love to get something normal like a cold.
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Post by abbienormal on Apr 6, 2007 20:22:34 GMT -5
Suebee, if I haven't already expressed my sympathy for your son, please forgive me and accept my deepest heartfelt sympathy now. I can't begin to imagine your pain and loss. I am very sorry.
My husband and I both experience a hardening exactly in the spot that you just mentioned, where the large and small intestine meet. The spot gets very hard and when we push the hardness down, it pushes back up (it reminds me of being pregnant and the baby's foot or hand pokes up) and then it stops and disappears. It is truly disturbing.
We attribute everything to Morgellons now, even when other people have procedures done or suffer some ailment: Morgellons strikes again.
AbbieN
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